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17 years ago
Hi Jpac73,
I think honest. But, honest only in the sense she is not trying to pull a scam or slack. It is ok if she doesn't like me, but that doesn't mean a broadcast is necessary. I think it is very possible that a dancer can actively dislike a customer and still do a fine job. It is also important to a degree as to why she dislikes me and if I think highly of her opinion. Mileage isn't a problem in Miami and if it were then my feelings could swing the other direction.
Good to see you are still posting. :)
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17 years ago
Drunk dancers are also very nice if it is positive drunkeness. The person is happy. Or just a little crazier or more aggressive than normal. At one time I was a very heavy drinker.
I had an out of this world experience with a dancer who was doing cocaine. The downside was that she was addicted and wanted to quit. I just don't see the pleasure in cocaine, but it must be excellent to some people. It seemed like more of a status symbol to me. Of course, I don't like coffee so what the hell do I know.
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17 years ago
I had a very positive experience with a dancer who wasn't as bright the typical 5 year. Definitely some type of mental retardation. What a body and what a smile.
What I liked best about her was it seemed like it was very easy to make her feel good. Her keeper claimed to be her sister. She was very sharp and very pro sex whether it was free or paid. Unfortunately, she was just average looking. I'd much rather be with a very slow person with phenominal looks especially if they seem capable of enjoying positive touch. Yes, some people may think it is wrong for god knows what reasons. I have 3 main concerns about sex: 1. Disease 2. Unwanted Pregancy 3. Desensitisation. Other than that sex is generally good if people are enjoying it and should get as much as possible. You know that old nonsense about make love not war.
Unfortunately, I never did get to see the retarded dancer again. Probably because there was too much demand for her services. I thought it was wonderful the customers weren't discriminating against the handicapped and they must of enjoyed seeing her smile as much as I did. Her sister was trying to give dances to me and she definitely had a brain that worked non-stop. I wish I could have enjoyed a dancer who was just average looking because her "sister" was special also.
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20 years ago
POTENTIAL--is this a valid criteria for rating a club?
Based on my experience I would say that rating a club based on its POTENTIAL value is far more accurate and relevant than basing it on a single visit especially when that single visit is during off hours.
I believe a club that offers the real possiblity of CHEAP HIGH MILEAGE dances with SUPER HOT PERFECT dancers should be rated higher than a gentlemen's club. Of course, if you're wealthy the money may be completely irrelevant. Just like mileage may be completely irrelevant, if you're not really interested in mileage or looks may be completely irrelevant, if you don't care about looks.
Basically, I think it is very proper to rate a non-gentlemen's club on its POTENTIAL and not on a single visit during off hours.
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20 years ago
Hi Jpac73,
The $20 price scared the hell out of me because I was already spending too much $$$ for everything. I'm fairly certain that is the reason I didn't visit that club. I like to buy a lot of dances and at $20 a song that seems like a quick way to go broker than I am. :) Also, I'm getting a lot of high two way contact dances for $5 here in Miami. The main complaint is the LOUD music. Can't hear the dancers and my ears ring for days afterward. (I was sometimes paying $10 for table dances at The Trap and the main lure was absence of the LOUD music.)
If I was heading back that way, then I'd definitely like to drop you a line because I think it is a lot nicer when you have somebody that is familar with the local landscape. Before that trip I hadn't visited my sisters in over 10 years (they visited me) and unfortunately I probably won't be back.
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19 years ago
Do you believe "strip club patrons" operate at the boundary (and sometimes beyond) of the sexual norms of our society or is your observation just applicable to dancers?
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19 years ago
Hi Shadowcat,
I think it has been a little over 10 years since there was a "white only" club at least in the North Miami area. Of course, I lose track of time. I remember telling this one dancer that I'd only known her for a year. She says Kyle it has been over 3 years! Anyway the white clubs that the black dancers would like to work at are not 100% white. I guess in your book that means they can't be considered white clubs. Sort of like if a white dancer is able to last a night at Angels then it can't be considered a black club. And, if it has a single white customer then it should be considered a mixed club. It is my understanding from talking with black dancers at Angels and a few white dancers at the Trap that white dancers will NOT be tolerated by the black dancers at Angels or the RoLexxx. And, this is probably the rule at other "black" clubs. Is it OK to call them black clubs if there are some white customers? Also, if some of the dancers at a black club are of mixed "racial" background but identify themselves as black, then is the club in actuality a mixed club? How about if a dancer who would normally be considered black decides that because her great great great grandfather was half white that she is really a white person?
BTW, I believe a majority of anthropologists assert that race does NOT exist. :)
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20 years ago
FONDL, I definitely think you are correct depending the person. One of the most remarkable young guys I ever met had very little money and was overweight and a poor dresser. However, he was definitely an expert with the ladies--from ugly girls to stunningly perfect women.
I could have learned from him, but I wasn't interested in making the intense emotional connection that he was able to generate. In fact, I like to avoid intense emotion like that unless it is a fantasy situation.
A childhood friend was also very successful with the ladies and he was really poor and jobless and fairly dumb. So you are 100% correct that $$$ doesn't have to be an issue. Heck, even at a strip club that is 100% correct.
For me, $$$ is definitely an issue. I really dislike under-paying a person for a job well done. Yes, I like receiving a bargain, however, there is a line. I've gladly paid double what was requested--and it was still a bargain--the person didn't comprehend their true value. The reality is I'm a different person when $$$ is tight.
Your solution of short visits isn't something I'd like to do. I like hanging out at the strip club especially if it quiet. If a dancer asks, then I tell them that I'm poor. And, that is very true compared to my friends and relatives. To some dancers, the very poor ones, I'm wealthy. Some have such a low self-esteem that they think anyone who spends $ on them night after night must be wealthy. I remember this one sweetheart was stunned that I wouldn't pay $6 for a sandwich. She said you spend more than that on me--as if the sandwich was anywhere near her true value. That was really truly a nice girl--she'd give people the shirt off her back if they claimed to need it.
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20 years ago
I almost forgot. She wanted to pay the $6 for the sandwich so that we could have dinner together. Of course, I told her I wouldn't be happy eating a $6 sandwich that should cost less than $1.
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20 years ago
Casualguy, when that happens to me I hit the back button on the browser, highlight the text, hit control c, log back in, and the use the paste feature (control v).
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20 years ago
I did forget. Smooth. Just cause a dancer is soft doen't mean her skin is smooth. I use to equate white dancers or light skinned dancers (especially) with smooth silky feeling skin. But, some really black skinned dancers have the same superb quality. Of course, some guys probably prefer a rougher textured skin type.
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20 years ago
Non-dancers also try and destroy marriages. When a customer gives his phone number to a dancer it seems like asking for a different type relationship. I'd blame the customer and not the dancer based on what you wrote. Yes, even though he was drunk.
You like dancing??? I didn't think that was allowed. And, you have to be traumatized by taking your clothes off in public. ;) If groping is allowed at your club, then surely you must find that somewhat objectionable. I know that I didn't care for being groped by an OLD lady, but I did feel sorry for her and I hoped that she was having a good time.
I can see the man not wanting to change his phone number. It might be a business number or he might have had it for a long time.
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20 years ago
RomanticLover would you rather pay FIVE DOLLARS for a lap dance or get the dance for FREE?
Normal would be FIVE DOLLARS. The cheapest would be FREE. This might happen if the dancer is trying to sell future dances. I don't care for this. I'd rather PAY if I want a dance.
Also, I occasionally get some FREE dances when a dancer just wants to say thank you for being a good customer. Rarely I will give a dancer extra money for doing an excellent job--more likely I might give a cash gift at holiday time if I know the dancer and she does good work.
Usually I won't haggle and if I do it is really a light light sell. Something like I wish I had more money for more dances because I really like what I'm seeing and hearing, but I have to watch the old budget. :)
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20 years ago
Every once in a while I hope that a stripper will leave her boyfriend and realize that she is a very valuable person and should expect and require the best.
I have no interest in a stripper, or any woman, being a real girlfriend, but I really appreciate a FANTASY GIRLFRIEND. Most of the strippers I know refuse to provide this service and usually for very good reason. Main reason is fear the customer will start actually believing the fantasy. Another reason the dancer is afraid she might start believing the fantasy.
Is there any reason in particular that you are focused on strippers becoming real girlfriends? It seems like there are *plenty* of regular goodlooking wonderful women out there who want a real relationship. It seems like there are *plenty* of goodlooking wonderful women who just want to give and receive sexual pleasure. Perhaps this just a situation in South Florida . . .
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20 years ago
I'm all clubbed out. Visited Angels today. The big women who are preferred have started taking over or so it seemed today. Visited The Trap also. The old women have taken over.
My plan is a good night's sleep. And, hopefully the election garbage will be settled by the time I awaken.
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20 years ago
No.
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20 years ago
It was depressing rating it a 1. I've been going to this club more than a decade.
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20 years ago
Hi Fondl,
I say yes to that question without any warm-ups. My focus is on looks. Personalty and intelligence and manners and etc. is further down on the list. Also, it makes NO difference if a dancer likes me or dislikes me. The key is does she have the right looks and can she do a good job. Of course, personalty, intelligence, etc. are nice bonuses, but it her looks that are most important followed by her ability to do a good job.
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20 years ago
I think strippers should be held in high esteem because I love and appreciate their work. Some do a fantastic job and others make me think bubba ain't a bad deal. The alternative to working girls is going gay which I think is genetic, dating--depressing, girlfriend--time to think about going gay. I love strippers and other working girls.
AND, I'm really surprised how many woderful working girls I meet consider all the crap they put up with. Of course, I'm talking mainly about black working girls. Perhaps non-black working girls are different. On average it seems like blacks are too nice and I think it kills them $$$wise.
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20 years ago
but it is her looks that are most important followed by her ability to do a good job.
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19 years ago
I've avoided going to clubs because of transportation problems. When I was young I'd just walk if necessary even if it was a few miles away. The two main negatives are 1) sweat and 2) dogs. More than a few times the dancers wanted to know what the hell I was doing to become soaking wet. Once I explained how far I'd walked to get a dance they didn't seem to mind the sweat at all. Did meet a potential mugger once, but he was really *terrified* of pepper spray.
Some dancers think I should be buying a new car instead of wasting $$$ on them. NO WAY!!! :)
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19 years ago
I try and treat strippers very well. In return I've *usually* been treated like a VIP. This despite the fact that I really don't spend much $ and sometimes don't spend any $. AND, YOU KNOW WHAT? I DON'T EXPECT ANYTHING IN RETURN FOR TRYING TO TREAT THEM VERY WELL. I EXPECT GOOD TREATMENT DURING DANCES BECAUSE I'M THEIR *CUSTOMER*. Of course, I get a few bad apples and I'd wager most of those bad apples are the fruits of obnoxious nasty customers.
BTW, these bad apples may even provide good service and value. In that case they can be assured of my future business. This one perfect looking dancer was NOT a nice person based NOT only on my own observations, but by remarks of her fellow dancers. I sure as hell was still eager to do business with her (and did) because she had the looks I lust after and she did a damn good job.
I hang out at cheap clubs. That might be the difference. I sure as hell ain't NO lady's man. A single girlfriend my entire life; the relationship lasted 11 years and she was brainy and HOT and sweet.
Also, I haven't run into any problems or negatives by politely asking dancers for dates. Those that give me the old thumbs down are usually very nice or I get a phony phone number; but, still niceness by strippers is the rule. Usually, the dancers want more than I can afford for dates. Wrongly assuming I'm talking full service for money. Even when I explain what I'm interested in most believe I'm really talking about full service which ain't the case unless that is what I've said.
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20 years ago
The enlargement is for all or even most women? The viewing of breasts as sexual is cultural (from National Geographic television or the like) . . . ergo in those cultures where breasts have NO sexual significance do they still enlarge?
In my strip club experiences at the black clubs it seems like the breasts are almost completely ignored by most black customers. If they are erogenous (sp?) would the breasts be ignored? The bouncing and beat o the booty is definitely where the attention lies with these black dancers and customers or at least that is the case in the clubs I frequent. Also the super hot young girl dancers are ignored compared to the very large and obese women dancers.
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20 years ago
It was a question. I've also read that enlargement of the breasts is part of female arousal. However, originally the "experts" were positive cocaine was NOT addictive. I keep reading that alcohol is addictive--the truth is that it is addictive to some people just like cocaine is addictive to some people. To me chocolate is addictive--big time. Alcohol is a joke. Drink, don't drink, it makes little difference and has little power--over me. (I was a heavy drinker when young to be part of the in crowd.)
So anyway, I see breasts being ignored (plus the TV special) and I'm wondering what the heck is going on? That is why I asked the question.
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20 years ago
I don't think that I'm having problems receiving eye contact with people in general, but then I don't really care too much about eye contact unless the other person is a hottie.
Occasionally, I will meet people of other cultures whom I believe avoid eye contact as a sign of respect.