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6 years ago
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SubramanCar key and wallet dating your sister
^For those of you who have TrapBaby on ignore, that was directed at him
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6 years ago
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SubramanCar key and wallet dating your sister
^You're a troll and back on ignore now.
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6 years ago
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-->@JeffTUSCL: "I don't get the requirement of employee status on 100% of dancers working in a club. I can understand the implication of requiring establishments to offer it as an option but forcing every dancer into employee status in order to be able to work in the club seems beyond legal. We have multiple employees at my work who are contracted but work almost 40 hours weekly, and they prefer this for various reasons. Who are we to override their preference? I believe that the clubs are doing the math and realizing that although they don't have to force employee status, if even just some of their dancers want this then they can't manage the club by treating some dancers one way and other dancers another - that will be drama and chaos as most dancers have no education or ability to understand workplace concepts, they just care about making the most money possible for the least effort."
^I think some of your conclusions are not accurate.
--The clubs prefer the dancers as contractors, not as employees. The employee thing was basically forced in California by a mid-2018 Cal Supreme Court decision that interpreted preexisting Calif government regulations known as Wage Orders regarding distinctions between employees and independent contractors (ICs). The clubs waited to make their move until after a late-2018 Calif court of appeal case was released that further interpreted the Supreme Court decision. The choice for the clubs was to make the dancers employees or risk class action lawsuits regarding mischaracterization of employees as ICs. The clubs made legal and economic decisions to minimize risk. The clubs don't want the hassles inherent with employer-employee relationships (payroll taxes, rest breaks, meal breaks, sick leave, prospect of employee benefits such as health insurance, etc.). The clubs and the girls would all prefer the IC relationship where the club cashes out girls at end of night, issues the girls a 1099 at end of year, and there's plenty of cash tips moving around for payout of house fees and tips to bouncers, DJ, house mom, etc. The employee scenario is a nightmare for these previously cash heavy businesses. Yes there's an argument for making clubs comply with labor laws but neither the clubs nor the girls want it. There will be class action lawsuits for wage violations that predated the Supreme Court decision - there already were some and the Supreme Court decision ensures there will be more. Every former stripper is incentivized to file a wage violation lawsuit or join one as a class action member. Current strippers are similarly incentivized, especially if they don't plan to strip long term.
--As for the ICs at your workplace who prefer the IC status, whether those people are properly characterized as ICs depends on the circumstances. There are lots of IC classifications that remained protectable following the court decision (such as software engineers). Under the court decision, strippers are probably not in the protectable classes, and if they were with certainty the clubs would not have made them employees.
-->@IceyLoco: "The vast number of strippers want to have employee protections. Thats why there was a push for this in the first place. It was all organized by strippers."
^This is ricidulous. Under the new employee regime, their income has gone down, even factoring in the employee benefits. The move was not organized by strippers. They hate it. The move was caused by the court decisions that had nothing to do with strip clubs but to which the court interpretations of the Wage Orders applied regardless.
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6 years ago
-->@MackTruck: "They think I am full of shit"
Is that because you actually are because they dumped a load in your basement?
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6 years ago
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founderslip a dollar in her g-string for me
I like the 2 boards.
I comment mostly in VIP but read both boards regularly.
The front room has some BS and troll'ish discussion topics and some BS and troll'ish responses posted to legit topics, but I manage that with the ignore feature, and there's plenty of good contributors and posters (both VIP and not) that post in front room and make it worth the read.
The VIP board is a bit dead as to new discussion topics being posted daily, but it's good quality in terms of both discussion topics and posts. Nice that there's few trolls in VIP. My concern is that if you dump the front room entirely, then what'd be left of the discussion board (VIP only) would continue to be kinda dead and we would lose the input of the good non-VIP contributors and posters altogether. Yes I suppose that could cause the non-VIP members to do what it takes to migrate to VIP (submit reviews or buy VIP) to make posts in VIP but the potential long term dead-ness of the VIP if front room is eliminated is the downside.
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6 years ago
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founderslip a dollar in her g-string for me
Papi
Subraman
georgmicrodong
lopaw
Call.Me.Ishmael
Honorable Mention:
MisterWonderful
PaulDrake
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6 years ago
Off topic I know since OP's question relates to strippers not civvies, but OP's question made me think of what happened to me with a civvy girlfriend when I was a young adult. Her: "I love you." Me: "Umm, umm, I like you a lot." She immediately terminated the relationship, which was not a bad thing.
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6 years ago
—>”I would love for Clemson to win”
Me too. But I’ll take Alabama -5.5
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6 years ago
*2.5
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6 years ago
—>”well they covered so : ) makes me 2 for 2.”
With the Dallas-Seattle spread at 2.6, a lot of money was won and lost on that Seattle 2 point conversion
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steeldog65I swear, it's just shrinkage due the cold
“I’ve had a really bad day.” (bad week, bad month, bad year, whatever).
Real meaning: I hope your a white knight that will give me plenty o money.
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6 years ago
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LiwetIf she walks away smiling, you spent too much.
*LOL
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6 years ago
^trend combatted by @founder establishing new discussion room for @twentyfive-Verified Members
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6 years ago
RIL Disease.
Is a mental illness. Broken heart + empty pockets = potential cure. May remain dormant in system, similar to varicella zoster virus that causes chicken pox but may trigger shingles following dormancy period. Abstinence from strip clubs is only known 100% effective antidote.
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6 years ago
ArtsBrother’s article about deceased member farmerart and his Toronto Sweetie: https://www.tuscl.net/article.php5?id=55548.
I arrived at tuscl after farmerart passed. Wish I’d known him.
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6 years ago
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IceyI put your ATF on a winning team
Mid-1980s, was 17, was working construction for minimum wage ($3.35/hour back then) in SoCal during summer after high school, working to pay college tuition. The adult married guys took me with them after work. Topless joint. Sat at rail with the boys drinking cold Corinas (didn’t get carded despite looking nowhere near 21, SoCal was like that back then). Guys told me I had to tip $1 per song. I was stunned, hot older women dancing sensually and topless in front of me and underage drinking, win-win. I can still remember the hot slender medium breasted brunette that was my fave that day (still my type) - was a virgin and remember thinking, man o man I wanna bone a chick that hot someday. Spent a full day’s wage which was a lot of money for me back then but felt wow that was worth it. Had no idea there was such thing as dances, guys didn’t tell me, I didn’t get any, if I had I’d have been ruined.
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6 years ago
Happy New Years tools
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6 years ago
^LOL
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6 years ago
—>@flagooner: “inconsiderate people piss me off.”
That could be your new tagline
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6 years ago
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^
All girls who've mentioned it to me say the new wage and % split has reduced their income.
In SF:
-Dancer population is down during dayshifts.
-Dancer population is down during nightshift at clubs that already had slow nightshift.
-Has not significantly impacted nightshift dancer population during at clubs that were already hopping during nightshift anyway (like Gold Club near convention center) despite girls leaving because new girls are replacing them - the night sausagefest at busy clubs are not my thing, but that was my takeaway the one time I went at weekend nightshift.
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6 years ago
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SubramanCar key and wallet dating your sister
What Subra describes here - clubs changing business model to make dancers employees instead of independent contractors (IC's) - is California specific. The change is forced on many industries due to a mid-2018 Cal Supreme Court decision that imposed a strict test on the distinction of employee versus IC. It's Calif specific because the court was interpreting guidelines issued by a Calif govt. agency, and the Calif guidelines were already more strict than the guidelines of fed govt and many other states. Cal clubs waited to make their move until another Cal court made the distinction even stricter in late 2018. Other industries big time affected are trucking and delivery (owner-operator truckers and subcontractor drivers for FedEx and other delivery services) construction trades, and gig economy businesses especially transportation (Uber, Lyft) and grocery delivery (Instacart, DoorDash) - all this is regularly reported in Cal business publications. It's probably not going to impact you PLs in more business friendly states like Texas, Florida, Nevada etc., especially not in short term.
Similar to Subra, I've heard all SF Bay Area clubs have made the dancers employees. I've heard same about the Sacramento / Rancho Cordova (RC) clubs. SF girls say they're paid $15/hour and RC girls say they're paid $11/hour (hourly wages, not salary) out of the first part of their daily earnings ($150ish), and after that earnings are split by % with club. I've done some clubbing in Reno recently and the Reno girls talk all about it, saying the NorCal dancers are heading to Reno clubs for weekend work when clubs are more crowded but not on weekdays when PL population is lower. I'm guessing same is true of Vegas, especially in slow winter months where Cal dancers head to Vegas clubs anyway. I haven't clubbed in SoCal since this all came down and so don't know if SoCal clubs have followed suit but probably yes since it's a Calif-wide thing.
What I've noticed in my few Cal club runs since this became a thing:
-The girls complain about it, not so much to make it crazy annoying, but you do hear it. The smart ones know the non-white knight regular doesn't want to burdened with it.
-Pressure for cash tips is higher.
-Girls that dance once or twice a week but don't depend on dancing for entire income are leaving, especially the hottest ones. Maybe that's a high self esteem thing or a reduced return on investment for the dancer thing, I don't know, but there's a few I hope will miss the $ and return even if the $ is less.
Not sure if this will make previously-OTC averse girls more open to it.