discussion comment
2 years ago
No. The best chance is simply visiting on the same night of the week. But, so many reasons she won't be there. And even if she is there, the experience second time may not match the first.
discussion comment
3 years ago
I guess a lot of this is reality shock when the new girls get to find out the spectrum of activities (and prices received) is different between what their social media suggests and their first club actually provides. Not that different, in terms of reality bites, for Dancers than other first time work in the non SC world.
The more experienced Dancers learn to tune it out for the most part; or indeed watch them learn or burn.
There are nuances too, from the Dancer's side which the newbies can miss. A successful $600 offer is not necessarily going to turn out safer or better longer term than $350 from a regular you get on with.
I also hear sad stories too frequently about $1k or more a day paid trips gone wrong; and most of the cash spent getting the next flight back.
discussion comment
3 years ago
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ilbbaicnlKeep it in my pants when I do OTC. If I were a stripper it would stand for I like big bucks and I can not lie.
Vegan jerky came up in a convo with a new fave recently. She reckoned it tasted funny :)
discussion comment
3 years ago
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shailynnThey never tell you what you need to know.
If its on safety grounds and somewhere I'd wanted to go; probably its Iran ... looking highly unlikely.
Central America had some interest too, but north of Costa Rica maybe not such a good idea these days.
I'm heading back to southern africa soon for first time in three years, should make a welcome change for a few days.
discussion comment
3 years ago
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Papi_ChuloMiami, FL (or the nearest big-booty club)
One smallish dive club I know reasonably well has a weekly sheet and the club's aim is to get a minimum number of girls in each shift. So that involves the regular and senior girls getting a pretty good choice as to their days; usually a minimum of four. The second tier and newer girls then get spread evenly across the board.
The house fees and 'fines' help keep the girls somewhat in line (if they turn up). But there are almost constant adjustments to that day's schedule especially between 9pm and 10pm each evening!
There's also sometimes another rush hour just after midnite when there are 10 girls but only 4 or 5 patrons. Some girls will be let off early, so long as full house fee given.
To answer Papi's question, in this club there does seem some push and pull, give and take. I guess by and large it balances out.
discussion comment
3 years ago
The dancers I've caught up with again that I've known for a while are mostly making less than pre Covid, not many are making more and a civvy job one or two part-days a week is not uncommon. However, the struggle is much more on the expenses side; that side is definitely increasing and by and large they don't have the money management skills to spend less.
So adjustments for that will need to work through the system.
In some markets and clubs, no doubt, the customer side will bring in more to help bridge the gap. Florida and Texas maybe? I've not seen it much out West
article comment
3 years ago
I didn't realize just how hard even outfit color is ... went the whole 9 yards on a Victorias Secret visit and test session a couple of weeks back with an OTC friend. A further couple of hours test dances and photoshoot back at my place. So, while quite a few outfits didn't make the grade due to comfort or fit or having the right sizes available; color was so hard to gauge and imagine/recreate the club lighting (and makeup choices).
I agree with the article pushing wraps or such on top of the lingerie/bikini looks; especially on three-song stage sets it gives an extra dimension for the dancer to use and create immediate impact.
article comment
3 years ago
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PutaTesterWest Coast. He who dies with the most memories wins.
Great article and reconfirms the reality that everything can change right up until the girl turns up; especially with early OTCs. So not altogether a surprise something went wrong and will be interesting when you find out (more of) her side of the story.
Always good to hear how the TJ world is nuanced and I'm never quite sure the language issues and the fact how most TJ girls will be from out-of-town and thus possibly somewhat tied when in town even on their day off.
discussion comment
3 years ago
Been over in Vegas a lot the last two months. Mask on entering a Club and Restaurants, off as soon as seated. No issues.
Most hotels were reminding guests of mask policies.
All in all January has been pretty quiet.
discussion comment
3 years ago
You'd need to try quite hard to not get entry into Talk of the Town assuming you show your $25 before heading through. Was quiet this last week so hit or miss whether most of the rotation come in. The parking lot is fine, access slightly easier from the north end due to the roadworks.
discussion comment
5 years ago
At a death rate of 1%, that's around 3.3m US lives at stake. Part of the problem the governments have is China and South Korea are currently showing many of these potential deaths are preventable (via more extreme but similar measures to those now rolling out). That makes it a very hard political decision to take to not invoke similar measures as other countries.
The real bet is around how quickly the science will kick-in and allow for less stringent measures against the pandemic whilst starting to allow control and the regular economy to kick back in.
The actions now being taken are also partly due to the lack of strong data and knowledge on the disease and hence the higher than usual risk of a mis-step and under-estimating severity.
discussion comment
5 years ago
I think this is where COVID-19 and the response all got a bit to complicated for many Governments, especially for the news organisations and therefore for much of the public.
Firstly, its not just a case of flattening the curve. Its also about landing the lower peak across the least worst time and minimizing the height of serious cases (the 15% worst impacted).
Secondly, there is not even a consensus on that. Blind 'delay' seems to be all that most news channels can grasp. Allowing a relatively quick but controlled transmission through those in the population most able to contract, be ill, recover and no longer be potential transmitters is important to the overall control of the pandemic. In simple terms putting the most desirable cohorts to the left side of the final curve.
In most cases the medics are losing to the politicians on this and WHO is flunking its role somewhat on this point.
Thirdly, it is still largely the case that governments are moving to 2nd and 3rd stage measures (social distancing etc) when the take up of primary counter-measures (Hand-washing, basic public hygiene and cleansing) are seriously poor .... unconfirmed but the stats I've seen on this from some countries show less than 50% are applying the primary and baseline counter-measures.
So, the tools for control which do exist (and they are limited) are for the most part not being sensibly or adequately applied.
discussion comment
5 years ago
Interesting to hear how this plays out. Elite has played this mostly 100% opposite to my way of thinking, but if it works out it works out.
Hope tonite goes well.
discussion comment
5 years ago
I did 8 hours in Cheetahs Vegas back in the day, 1990s. I most remember the sunlight completely dazzling me and welcoming me back to the real world. Must have been a good night, but it was only Dances-LD-Shots-Chat ... rinse and repeat probably a dozen times and with an ATF who graciously extended her shift past 4am.
Better was a 6 hour visit at a dive club. Somehow time got to stand still and me and the 4 girls left at closing treated ourselves to a lock-in. Technically it was a no alcohol club. Happily that was overlooked on that occasion. A super-entertaining front room session followed. Sadly, the vibe snapped when a BF turned-up and started kicking the back door down. We were still good for another couple of hours apart from that. Sigh!
discussion comment
5 years ago
Its very serious. Factors would be: Spreads very quickly and easily; Little immunity or resistance in the general population (unlike flu); serious complications requiring specialist healthcare in 10%-20% of cases. Add to that its already taken hold in 100+ countries.
Some of those things play to the fear brigade and poor/slow responses from many governments.
I'm in Europe right now. The quick learning and counter-measures are poorly done. One example is transmission will occur prior to symptoms presenting (POTUS and Brazilian meeting I think may also be an example); yet counter measures in many countries simply ignore this learning.
On the positive side around 80%, and nudging 85% if measures properly implemented, cases will be the milder form and of minor inconvenience / illness to the individual. Getting it through that cohort without unduly exposing the in-danger remainder looks to me like the acid test to Leaders and Governments .... shutting borders, banning travel, adding screening, closing NBA etc doesn't address the acid test; but, of course, plays out as being seen to be doing something.
But, yes, the important point is SCs are a bit quieter and $$ go further.
discussion comment
5 years ago
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CJKent (Banned)“The more a person needs to be right, the less certain he is...”
The concept of buying/paying for many things is misunderstood. Most especially by people who choose not to do it .... First Class Airfares, Designer clothes, small european cars, tech shares, organic food, a party organizer, .....
Multiply the misunderstanding factor when those people think they know better.
discussion comment
5 years ago
Too loud, too smoky, bad restroom, flashing lights, patrons v dancers v staff balance out of whack. ROB-friendly clubs/management. Valet only. Persistent low mileage.
discussion comment
5 years ago
From time to time I've landed in some odd, even dodgy situations. These were never in the Club or even walking out of some dives at 3am.
One time I was dropping two girls back to a club after an OTC. One of them was late and her fone had lit up with texts. A mile or so out I realized I was being followed. Fortunately I recognized the car. I did a couple of laps of a block to confirm how I was going to drop the girl in trouble off (and she'd be fine) ... all went okay. I then took the other girl for a drink and dropped her back an hour later.
Another time I got to a CFs apartment for the pick-up only for a suspicious big car pull up; and a very big guy got out.
I waited a few seconds and got out too. The CF appeared about a minute later. She walked straight past the guy and over to me and said there had been a change of plan. I said quite loud "You best go, enjoy the new club". I then drove straight off and congratulated myself on always leaving a clear exit when parking up in those 'hoods. She took the big car! I correctly guessed the club, got there first and confirmed all was well. Drove away. Got some interesting stories later that week.
She gave me a lot of kudos for being brave and looking out for her.
There have been other uncomfortable situations but pretty much at all of them I felt okay about at the time due to local knowledge of the towns from day-time drive arounds and good 2-way trust with the girls involved.
review comment
5 years ago
Glad you enjoyed your visit, that is the main thing.
Thanks also for a great review and answering my questions …. all make sense.
review comment
5 years ago
How early on the Friday with that few girls? but still $30 entry. I've always driven and its been $10 - $15.
So … if I read the review right you got a timed 15 minutes VIP. How was the mileage and would you repeat? was it upstairs in a horseshoe booth?
Usually one of the more reliable places in LV, without being particularly likely to tempt me to more than one visit per trip. Did you return another night?
discussion comment
5 years ago
Yes, its been popular. A good alternative to a movie. Best a few days before the girl's next nails appointment.
discussion comment
5 years ago
Are her goals realistic or will she end up hooking?
Not realistic at all … possible, but unlikely. The best three days would be Thursday, Friday, Saturday or during a big conference week (SEMA just passed).
My contacts report Vegas clubs were quiet yesterday and I've been out there tonite and its still quiet. I wouldn't think escorting is a much better a bet right now for someone cold in from out of town.
On the plus side, airfare and hotel room overheads should be low.
discussion comment
5 years ago
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ChesterCheetahDedicating my life to finding out Eliza-icees stripperweb handle
Well, CC, you likely will know which days she doesn't work and also the scene in the club. So pretty straight forward to move onto the next CF.
Depending on the club, may be worth avoiding any clique the ex-CF had unless you like extra drama.
discussion comment
5 years ago
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LiwetIf she walks away smiling, you spent too much.
Is this Vegas, Liwet?
There does seem a propensity there for the girls to chase the $$$ night, even midweek in a lower tier club, rather than take the certain $$. Just another example of poor long-run decision making.
Maybe there is still pussy glow from SEMA last week too.
review comment
5 years ago
Thanks for the update. I'll give LD a miss again then next week when I'm in town. This $200+ BS for 15 min is still not sorted then.