I think this is where COVID-19 and the response all got a bit to complicated for many Governments, especially for the news organisations and therefore for much of the public.
Firstly, its not just a case of flattening the curve. Its also about landing the lower peak across the least worst time and minimizing the height of serious cases (the 15% worst impacted).
Secondly, there is not even a consensus on that. Blind 'delay' seems to be all that most news channels can grasp. Allowing a relatively quick but controlled transmission through those in the population most able to contract, be ill, recover and no longer be potential transmitters is important to the overall control of the pandemic. In simple terms putting the most desirable cohorts to the left side of the final curve.
In most cases the medics are losing to the politicians on this and WHO is flunking its role somewhat on this point.
Thirdly, it is still largely the case that governments are moving to 2nd and 3rd stage measures (social distancing etc) when the take up of primary counter-measures (Hand-washing, basic public hygiene and cleansing) are seriously poor .... unconfirmed but the stats I've seen on this from some countries show less than 50% are applying the primary and baseline counter-measures.
So, the tools for control which do exist (and they are limited) are for the most part not being sensibly or adequately applied.
The rick nominates McNaffleape for CDC administrator.
Your ape herds need some serious thinning so I think McNaffleape’s out of the box thinking that you apes should accelerate transmission is just what the doctor ordered.
Just make sure the sexy female hairless apes don’t die. ROAR!!!
Do you know how fucking hard it is to use an iPad when you’re a frickin lion? There are some Apple engineers that need the wildebeest treatment. ROAR!!!
I know that when SARs broke out in China, they were all using temperature taking to isolate people. They would not let people into auditoriums or onto airplanes until they checked them for running a fever.
To me though that seemed bogus, just a feel good.
As I know, the time when people are contagious is before they start to show any symptoms.
And I have also remained skeptical about the face masks, likely just a feel good. But I am not sure.
===> "Allowing a relatively quick but controlled transmission through those in the population most able to contract, be ill, recover and no longer be potential transmitters is important to the overall control of the pandemic. In simple terms putting the most desirable cohorts to the left side of the final curve."
===> "Thirdly, it is still largely the case that governments are moving to 2nd and 3rd stage measures (social distancing etc) when the take up of primary counter-measures (Hand-washing, basic public hygiene and cleansing) are seriously poor"
I'd be curious to hear how the U.S. government could, within the limits of its constitutional authority, effectively achieve either of these objectives. Last I checked, we are neither allowed to forcibly infect those who we deem most fit nor punish those who we believe may have poor hygiene. But of course feel free to prove me wrong. :)
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If someone just gets a very light exposure, they could become immune without ever showing symptoms.
Even a vaccine can make someone feel sick and run a fever.
And bad vaccines have killed people via the illness they were intended to prevent.
SJG
Firstly, its not just a case of flattening the curve. Its also about landing the lower peak across the least worst time and minimizing the height of serious cases (the 15% worst impacted).
Secondly, there is not even a consensus on that. Blind 'delay' seems to be all that most news channels can grasp. Allowing a relatively quick but controlled transmission through those in the population most able to contract, be ill, recover and no longer be potential transmitters is important to the overall control of the pandemic. In simple terms putting the most desirable cohorts to the left side of the final curve.
In most cases the medics are losing to the politicians on this and WHO is flunking its role somewhat on this point.
Thirdly, it is still largely the case that governments are moving to 2nd and 3rd stage measures (social distancing etc) when the take up of primary counter-measures (Hand-washing, basic public hygiene and cleansing) are seriously poor .... unconfirmed but the stats I've seen on this from some countries show less than 50% are applying the primary and baseline counter-measures.
So, the tools for control which do exist (and they are limited) are for the most part not being sensibly or adequately applied.
Your ape herds need some serious thinning so I think McNaffleape’s out of the box thinking that you apes should accelerate transmission is just what the doctor ordered.
Just make sure the sexy female hairless apes don’t die. ROAR!!!
Do you know how fucking hard it is to use an iPad when you’re a frickin lion? There are some Apple engineers that need the wildebeest treatment. ROAR!!!
To me though that seemed bogus, just a feel good.
As I know, the time when people are contagious is before they start to show any symptoms.
And I have also remained skeptical about the face masks, likely just a feel good. But I am not sure.
SJG
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===> "Thirdly, it is still largely the case that governments are moving to 2nd and 3rd stage measures (social distancing etc) when the take up of primary counter-measures (Hand-washing, basic public hygiene and cleansing) are seriously poor"
I'd be curious to hear how the U.S. government could, within the limits of its constitutional authority, effectively achieve either of these objectives. Last I checked, we are neither allowed to forcibly infect those who we deem most fit nor punish those who we believe may have poor hygiene. But of course feel free to prove me wrong. :)