The concept of buying/paying for sex is misunderstood.

Nicely said. I agree. Sadly it seems government is less understanding.

Anything that happens? So if womeone wants someone else to murder them then society and government has no say? Really?

I think you're rose-colored glasses are nearly opaque.

I don't think any of us here -- aside from a single loud troll -- have any trouble understanding that paying for sex isn't an ethical issue (except at the point where it starts to feel one or the other might be being exploited). But I think it's disingenuous in the extreme that we're paying for "time and companionship". These are money-for-sex transactions, no need to pretend otherwise. If sex doesn't happen, she's not getting any money for her time.

I agree with Subra. We pay for services all the time. We hire someone to repair our car, another person to clean our teeth, another person to cook food. I don't pay for time and companionship from my mechanic, dental hygienist and cook, I pay for the service.

The only reason we do the verbal gymnastics suggested by CHKent is to avoid legal action. The better solution is to legalize and regulate sex work in a manner similar to the way that we regulate others service professions.

I have been surprised to see recreational marijuana legalized in some state. I wonder if one or more states will eventually will experiment with legalized prostitution. For those who are tempted to say that Nevada has already legalized prostitution, double check your facts. It is not a state-wide legalization, but county specific.

Why the need for all these mental gymnastics, like this is some academic exercise? If sex wasn't involved, we wouldn't be doing it. Just own it for what it is and be done with it already.

"I think you're rose-colored glasses are nearly opaque."


Lol

Maybe some people just pay for sex, but many of us like lap dances andsocializing and neither of them involves sex. Yes, I understand full contact laps are closer to sex than friendship, but I have no issue taking a pretty civie woman to dinner just to have dinner and conversation with a pretty woman, with zero physical contact.

@skibum609

"Separate text from context and all that remains is a con"

~ Stewart Stafford.

Well prostitution has always been a controversial and threatening subject, so there have usually been efforts to contain and eradicate it. You and I can say it is private, but the government does have a right to intrude and stop it, if the duly constituted authorities decide to.

And then some see it as an abuse of male power, and exploitation and abuse of women.

Having seen situations where it is clearly not this way, I do support decriminalization. But I also understand why it still remains a contentious subject.

Vice usually means prostitution, narcotics, and gambling. These are all contentious areas of law because there is no direct victim. But nevertheless, there are usually efforts to stop these.

With the prostitution law, in many situations it is completely impossible to enforce it, or even define where the line is. When it is enforced, it is usually only against the poor, immigrants, and minorities.

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Exactly what is misunderstood?
This is idiotic have any of y’all heard of the golden rule, “she who has the pussy gets the gold”

Speaking for my self of of my own view, some people see it as, and practice it as extreme objectification.

I do not do this. I treat all women as civilians and in all situations.

In countries other than the US, well off guys often keep mistresses. I see it more like that.

SJG

You cam have sex with someone and exchange whatever for it. You can't solicit or engage in prostitution. This has been discussed ad nauseam in here. Take your flawed premise up before a judge or prosecutor 🤣🤣🤣

I never solicit or in anyway act like I see the woman as selling sex or as being motivated by money. No matter what the situation is, I treat all women as civilians.

SJG

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The concept of buying/paying for many things is misunderstood. Most especially by people who choose not to do it .... First Class Airfares, Designer clothes, small european cars, tech shares, organic food, a party organizer, .....
Multiply the misunderstanding factor when those people think they know better.

Good point!

SJG

This is bullshit. Do you ever have a thought of your own? One you didn't pull from a facebook meme or book quote?

They are selling sex. Some of us are buying it. And there's not a damned thing wrong, immoral, or evil about that.

All that "anything that happens between two consenting adults in privacy is nobody business," while completely true, just serves to sidestep the issue and convince others that even *you* don't recognize the legitimacy of sex for sale and the illegitimacy of the government and religion's suppression of it.

Step up. Or shut up.

Talking to the OP ?

SJG

What Stupid Jerkoff Guy, you think maybe he’s talking to you? You know full well georg has you on ignore so why the hell would he be talking to you.

^^^^ And prevert, again negative meta-narrative, simply preventing sensible discussion. Clean some wax out of your ears.

SJG

I’m not preventing anything. I’m not preventing you from ignoring me for instance but you can’t bring yourself to do that can you. The. You wouldn’t be able to bitch about my meta narrative whatever that is.

You should have better things to do than talk about me. If you tried this f2f you would be silenced.

SJG

@georgmicrodong

Quotations are used by me as a means of inspiration and to invoke philosophical thoughts from the reader.

Pragmatically speaking, quotations can also be used as language games (in the Wittgensteinian sense of the term) to manipulate social order and the structure of society.

Wittgenstein is great, and I love his Private Language argument.

SJG