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12 years ago
I can go to 2 clubs at 4PM today...and for $155-$200 have sex with a stripper. Not "hopefully"...its guaranteed and the house takes a cut. Its not a "matter of opinion"...its factual. Same for Detroit. Not saying certain girls won't ever decline...but you're talking single digit percentages.
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12 years ago
Actually I think it would make juicebox sane.
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12 years ago
Shark...you're just wrong man. I don't know why the regulars haven't jumped in to contradict yet, but strip clubs are just brothels with music. Id LOVE to see a stripper turn down $5000 for sex. I could get a stripper to let me punch her in the face for less than that.
As for mjx and others...I'm not arguing that they should get prosecuted. I think most of us would agree legalization of pot and prostitution would probably solve more problems than it would cause.
The "issue" is the double standard. The issue is cops running prostitution stings and "catching a predator" and that kind of thing...the whole time they are ignoring escort sites and strippers...and giving prostitutes a slap on the wrist. There was a country in Europe (I think Iceland) that made prostitution legal "for providers" but ramped up penalties for "Johns" (or users of the service). How is that remotely fair? Either society accepts it as a part of society, or they don't. But having sympathy for the woman who sluts herself out so she can afford drugs while putting a sex starved married guy in a position where he has to wear an ankle monitor or register as a sex offender...I mean really?
California just passed stricter laws on human trafficing...states are in races to make "sex offender" a more and more espansive term. And the result is, we have more and more and more sex offenders. If a stripper gives a dude a BJ for $25...she gets fingerprinted and released and is giving $25 BJs the next day. Meanwhile the male customer is fined hundreds of dollars, spends a night in jail, has a court appearance, and is a registered sex offender for a minimum of 15 years. Really?
I'm not advocating crackdowns on the women. Hell...make it legal and get the tax money for it. Regulate the crap out of it so its safe for chrissake! But whatever you do or don't do...its pretty damn unfair to penalize men and then act like the women are "victims". Hell...I had 2 separate instances where strippers stole money from me...and multiple instances where I got hustled. If anyone is a "victim" in the scenario...its not the chick making $600 a night simply flashing what god gave her!
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12 years ago
Interesting topic. And probably statistically correct. I've found that the true 9-10s are just there to draw guys in and hang out with the bouncers and regulars....hoping that some super high roller walks in. They're whores just like the others...but they ain't getting totally naked and giving a Hj/BJ unless she's making enough to cover at least a car payment.
Meanwhile...yeah, the ugly fat ones...you place your hand on their crotch and they're liable to grab it and put it inside for you.
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12 years ago
A slender body.
But like real life...the body attracts you...but the conversation and action dictates what you do with it.
I only dislike the ugly girl advertising sex "slightly" more than I dislike the super hottie who claims she can't do more than an air dance due to "club rules".
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12 years ago
Wait...so strippers get pissed off if you don't give them lots of money??
Well thats just great...now I've learned another thing today that I already knew.
I like how its a list of things to not piss off a stripper...none of which should actually piss off a stripper.
Here's an actual list for things that LEGITIMATELY piss off strippers that aren't related to them wanting more money:
1) Hit them
2) Call them names.
3) Cop an attitude because they won't come sit with you when you're obviously broke and nursing a beer.
4) Get action, then "forget your wallet in the car...I'll get ya next time."
5) Stick things inside them and say "you like that don't ya whore?"
6) Forgetting to shower (for the last 8 days)
7) Asking them if they know Jesus Chrust our Lord and Savior.
8) Telling them, "no thanks...I don't like fat chicks." (even though thats perfectly fine to think...just not say)
9) Following them into the parking lot.
10) Slipping them roofies.
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12 years ago
I don't specialize in marketing at all...but I could tell you how to boost your profits 400%...just make sure he wears a jimmy...profits go out the window if you catch something.
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12 years ago
I agree with Big D. And I do the same thing.
If I turn down a dance or don't buy a dancer a drink and she cops an attitude...I'll be sure to give the girl I end up with a nice tip and hope it gets back to "Miss Attitude" that she's an idiot.
Since I've been branded as "an evil one" by the UK stripping expert...I guess my opinion isn't that valuable...but I bet if you poll this group...I'm easily, easily, easily in the majority.
I don't think it's "evil". I think it's a pretty huge hypocrisy for a person to take her clothes off and grind on guys and then say, "Oh, I'd never have sex with a guy for money." Really? So being naked in front of strangers and spreading your legs for them is perfectly legitimate? But I'm the evil one for wanting to touch? Me thinks that once someone crosses the first line of selling their body for money...it's a real slippery slope to get to selling your orifaces for money. Like I said in a past article I wrote...strippers will do ANYTHING for $$$. For the right amount of money, you can probably light them on fire.
Check yourself, before you wreck yourself.
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12 years ago
Honest feedback:
I think the parts that showed bias were related to the pricing more than anything.
For example, you talk abut a guy tipping every 3rd song per se...I've never seen or heard of a guy doing this. It would be "nice"...and I'm on board that I can't stand when guys sit and chat with a stripper for hours...then she finally gets fed up and has to find a nice way to excuse herself...I get that. I always tip for conversation...but it's the very 3rd or 4th song that makes me see the stripper bias. I mean...usually just getting to know her and arranging for the dance takes 2 songs...and the songs are like 1.5 minutes...you're talking about a guy "paying fro conversation" but he's not really getting conversation.
The other example is the "pay for play" pricing. I think most guys here have paid for XXX services at one point or another. Some frequently, some every time, some prefer to just get lappers. But every guy that sees that must have thought, "Several Hundred dollars"!? Whoa!! I mean, most clubs where that goes on...the house takes a cut. A significant cut. So those girls aren't "losing their jobs".
I DO agree with you on some of your points though. There are differences in what clubs allow...and if you're at a club with no VIP room...you're probably gonna have to go OTC. And yes...if you are at some really strict club and the hottest chick in the place is your target...and you're old or fat or goofy looking (like most strip clobbers)...it take thousands to get her to spread those legs.
But...pertaining to the conversation point, one important factor is how busy the club is. With the economy down...I've been to at least 2 clubs where I was one of only 2 guys in the place...and if thats the case...a stripper talking to you aint costing her a darn thing.
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12 years ago
Wow.
If I were you, I'd probably stay in cozy ole UK because you'd be lucky to make more than $100 a night in an American club. And they probably make you clean up the rooms in Tijuana.
Listen...I'm sure you're beautiful...thats great. But if you were THAT hot...you wouldn't need to strip to have a comfy lifestyle. Not in the UK. Maybe Eastern Europe...but not in the UK.
I used to think clubs were what you portray them as...but after being in clubs all across the US...a club where you "can't" by sex is rare. They are there...mostly in college towns where the girls are young and dealing with immature college guys...who'll spend $200 just to see a nude woman for the first time. But in Detroit...LA...no chance. Chicago? Las Vegas? maybe. Atlanta...no way. Maybe you're a "headliner" type...do a few shows...make $800 from the house...but without a "name"...no chance.
The reason you don't like my assessment of "worst customers" is because they're the only tools willing to give money to a stripper that keeps her clothes on. They're the "rookies"...still vulnerable to the hustles. Buying $10 shooters from the cute little shooter girls...paying $10 to "buy the lady a drink". "Lady?" Thats like calling clubbers "gentlemen". Just because they call it a "gentlemen's club"...doth not make it so!
If I was at a club and you came over...I'd probably be interested...because you're hot. But just as you realize I'm "experienced" enough not to fall for the rookie hustles...and that you're going to actually have to provide a service other than "fantasy" or "company"...I'm realizing you're not "the one" I'm giving my $200-$400 to tonight. You may be the hottest...but if I leave the club without blowing my load...then shame on me.
Case in point...a club I used to frequent...all the girls had full on sex for about $200-$280. But one gal would give you an hj for $25 during a standard lap dance. So if I didn't have the cash for a full on experience...I could always get that option. She wasn't hot...wasn't "cute"...wasn't at all interesting. But she made a LOT of money. And recently I heard from another patron that most of the girls are now giving HJs during the lappets. Strippers ain't smart...but they ain't stupid. They might respect your advice because you're elegant and beautiful....but they respect the one making 10x more even more... : )
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12 years ago
Wait...strippers hate nice guys...and aggressive jerks...and broke guys...and all other guys?? Wow...that's shocking!! So a woman so devoid of value and self respect that she let's random losers fondle her hand have sex with her for the cost of a DVD box set is actually upset with men in general?? Fancy that.
Yeah yeah yeah...strip club guys all suck because they want you to do stuff and don't throw enough money at you or they throw it in a disrespectful way...blah blah blah...
The worst kind of clubbers are:
1) the cheapskates who go to a strip club with $40.
2) the a-holes who think if a girl is willing to take her clothes off for money...all rules are void and you can jam your fingers in her.
3) the losers that think they're going to be the exception and find "love" in a strip club.
The worst kind of strippers:
Now there's a list! I wouldn't even know where to start since I haven't met more than a couple strippers that could be honest with you enough to even get a real read on their motivations. Am I supposed to believe these gals are students? Or abused as children? Or just making a quick buck? Or are drug addicts? Have a boyfriend? Don't have a boyfriend? I mean...they sell lies for $$$. Then they get offended when you call them liars or sluts. Make up your mind already.
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12 years ago
I appreciate the effort...but once I read enough to see this was a stripper...I quickly realized it would be shocking to truly get advice on how a customer could get the most for his money.
1) first point...good. want a dance...tip her while she's on stage. 98% of the time...biggest stage tipper is the first guy she runs to after the show. And if she comes over during the show...just tell the slut you want to see her when she's finished on stage...99.8% chance she'll be running over once she pulls that g-string up and tips the DJ.
2) don't pay for talk. That's a rookie mistake. BUT...if a girl you like and find pleasant spends 15-20 minutes to an hour sitting with you...its only gentlemanly to buy her drinks and at some point pay for a dance. Its not an obligation...its just the difference between you being a respected guest who understands the game versus a clueless retard drooling while you nurse your beer.
3) if you ever pay over $400 for sex...you're an idiot. $700 to a skank stripper for sex? That you can easily get from a hot escort or at a massage parlor or at any number of other strip clubs for $200?? Why? I had sex with some of the most beautiful strippers I've ever met for $180-$240 total. Sure...some clubs are gay and have cameras and strict rules....especially full nude clubs in college towns. But that's why TUSCL is the greatest strip club site ever....read a few reviews of each club in the area...make your plans accordingly. If you got to some lame dejavu with 19 year olds slapping your hands...cross that one off the list.
A stripper giving advice on stretching your dollar at a strip club?? HA! What's next, a customer giving advice to strippers on how to get guys off without taking their clothes off?? Please.
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12 years ago
The best thing about massage parlors early on was that the sex wasn't guaranteed. Each parlor was different. If they were advertised on back page...especially in the escort section...you "assumed"...and were usually right. And if it was late night, you knew what you were getting. But during the day...9AM-7PM...sometimes you go to a parlor and the girl just gives you a nice rub down and thats that. Most times...they'll ask at the end if you want them to finish you off for an extra $20-$80. The more you go, the braver you get...where you feel comfortable with the process and asking them to take off their clothes as well.
I guess thats what I miss though. I miss it being a "mystery". Now I know I can show up at any of a few clubs around midnight and it's $120-$180 for full sex...they dont even give massages. And even during the day, I know of at least a few places...the HJ is always an option. And now, the only actual "mystery" or "surprise" is when you get to a club where they really advertise like they give full service...and you get there and it's completely legitimate. I mean, it's hard to get "pissed"...that they arent offering illegal services...but I've seen MANY guys storm out of massage parlors pissed off.
Side Note...the one that just opened near the Thai BBQ place...cant remember whether its in Orange County or LA County...I think Orange County...they advertise that it's two "Vietnamese Sisters" and they will offer blah blah blah amazing experience...dont waste your money. I went there twice...one hot young gal that didn't offer extras. One nasty chick that I didnt want extras from even if they WERE offered. FYI.
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12 years ago
I was actually going to write a similar article.
I found (in Detroit actually) that strip clubs are often times just brothels. But in a strip club, by the time you pay cover, buy a drink or 3, you're already in for say $18-$39. Now, if you want to sample a couple ladies...lap dances...standard, you're out another $20-$50. Stage tipping, you're out another $20-$40.
And when you finally get to the sex, if it's a place that offers it...hopefully you've done your homework or it's blue ball city...it's gonna run about $150-$250 by the time you pay the VIP fee to the club, the price of the dances, and the tip for the sex. That means, sex in a strip club costs $188-$339.
So, when I found back page....just seemed like "wow! I can just skip to the sex...$60 for a fat/ugly chick...or you can get a hottie for $200. But generally, sex with an escort runs $100-$200. BUT...the danger factor goes up because you're more exposed to potential stings or robberies. Not to mention, there's just something that feels "dirty and wrong" about banging some skunk in a low rent motel room...with her coochie sore from all the activity. Not to mention, it seems like most of them are in that business to support a drug habit. But, it's cheaper than a strip club. Not per hour...but per orgasm.
But even escorts can be a little too pricey...so the next on the list is massage parlors. Now, again, like strip clubs...gotta know which ones offer happy endings...BJs, etc...services vary. A massage runs $30-$50...a happy ending costs at least another $20. If you want more, you usually gotta go there after 7PM...gotta find the ones that are essentially whorehouses...they usually charge about $180 total for sex. The girls are attractive...less likely to be a sting or robbery compared to escorts...but ya gotta be into asians or hispanics.
So....the totals are (average):
1) Strip Clubs: $215
2) Escort: $150 (+ a hotel room if they are outcall only and you don't want them at your apartment)
3) Massage Parlor: $180
So monetarily speaking....it's pretty much a wash. If you're strapped for cash, you can find a $60 escort during the day...she'll be fat and ugly...but thats your cheapest option. I also know of a strip club where one of the dancers gives hand jobs as part of her standard lap dances...and I have a couple free entry passes to save on the cover...so it only costs me about $65 after mandatory beverage and tips. For me, strip clubs are almost always the more expensive option, because you're staying there longer...and all the tipping, drinks, dances...then sex at the end of the night...it always seems to be a $200-$400 affair...which is why I aint join as often as I'd like!!
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12 years ago
Shannon....I don't know where to go with that. Granted guys at strip clubs aren't gentlemen...but strippers ain't ladies either, so let's not throw stones.
Extras are part of strip clubs. As lon as women are willing to get naked and degrade themselves to make more money than they can at a real job, women are going to blur the line as to what they will or won't do for the right price. But don't get pissed because the guy spending $200 to stare at your twat might actually desire to touch it. Your beef should be with your coworkers for setting the bar lower than you want it to be. And escorts (hookers) aren't cleaner nor safer.
You problem is, you assume men enjoy spending $1000 to stare at a pretty girl nd buy her drinks...because that's what you want them to do. And if they get grabby or want extras, they are perverts. You work in a strip club...you take your clothes off for strangers, lay on your back with your legs spread, while guys throw dollar bills at you. And then you have the clueless audacity to think guys that "actually wanna fuk ya" are wrong?
Many clubs I go to...extras don't factor in. Some clubs I've been to, its the whole point. But regardless, the girls giving extras will be annoyed at the guys just stage tipping and not spending the big money and the girls not willing to do extras will be pissed that guys pay good money for extras but nothing much for standard stage dancing.
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12 years ago
Okay, that was literally the worst advice for getting pussy that I've ever read from a male.
TUSCL...new requirement for membership..."good" articles.
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12 years ago
I recently went to my first couple massage parlors as well...told my buddy what happened...and he was like, "Wait...I thought happy endings weren't real,,,,they really happen??!"
Yup...they really happen.
I have no idea how police can with an honest face say that they crack down on prostitution....in any way. I mean, if a cop wanted to make 100 arrests in a night for prostitution...he/she could just go on backpage or redbook and there ya go. Not really that difficult.
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12 years ago
Brandy...you're either naive or just plain wrong. I've bought dancers $10 drinks, they took one sip, and either left it at the table or in the lap dance area. Its a hustle. In many clubs....dancers have so many drinks guys have to buy for them or it comes out of the dancer's pocket. Its a hustle.
Trust me, I have NO problem drinking and buying drink after drink after drink for a dancer that wants to sit and hang out with me. And I buy dances and tip as well. But if I buy you a drink and you take one sip then excuse yourself....that's a slap in the face and why I don't routinely buy dancers drinks anymore. So don't blame me...blame your skank ass rude fellow dancers that respond to kindness with rudeness.
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12 years ago
I haven't had the balls (or lack of sense) to bang street walkers. Maybe I'm naive...but I've drawn the line at escorts...and even that was an experience that made me second guess...
When I went to TJ...just went to Hong Kong....had a good ole time. But decided never to go again after the 3.5 hour wait to get back in the country.
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12 years ago
Alright, I'll be the rare dissenting opinion here. I "usually" tip...whether just a simple lap dance or something more interactive. The only time I "don't" is if I feel hustled. And by "hustled"...I mean, if you say 3 songs and you start dancing at the end of a song an count it...hustle. or if you promise that the lap dance is gonna blow my mind and it literally makes my cock bored...hustle.
And strippers...its not that simple. Guys tip based on whether they feel like you went above and beyond the call of duty. If you air dance or lecture him about touching rules or give off the vibe that you'd rather be somewhere else...don't expect tips. You're selling a fantasy, whether extras are involved or not. The strippers that have made the most off me are not always the ones that do the most...but the ones who make me feel like they actually "like" me. Sell the fantasy.
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13 years ago
I think it's a really long Haiku.
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13 years ago
I once left a Deja Vu, went to the bowling alley next door...bought a double shot of Tequila...stuck it in my coat pocket and carefully walked back to the Vu. Then I just took it out at the table nd drank it slowly. My buddies were freaking out that we'd get caught...but I was already shitfaced from before we got there so I didn't care.
I get overly defiant when I'm wasted. Which can a problem when I start giving bouncers shit. Not sure how I've avoided a beatdown thus far...but I've been fortunate.
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13 years ago
I think one common theme is that it's your money and you want to spend it on dances not drinks, etc...
Listen, I don't disagree. If we're being honest, we wouldn't be at a strip club if it weren't for the naked women and attention. I can get a much better, cheaper drink in a local tavern or my refrigerator if that's what I wanted. And to be honest, other than perhaps trying to "loosen them up"...we'd probably prefer to not even buy regular girls drinks if we could get away with it.
But...the point I was making is that some of those hustles are "part of the game". You pay cover, agree to buy a drink every hour, throw a girl a dollar or two when she's on stage, etc... because it's a means to an end. For some of us, even lap dances are simply a means to another end. To try and bypass the normal/smaller hustles and just "get down to business" isn't a very good strategy in my opinion.
It would be nice for the few dancers on the site to chime in on this, but I think there is some value to spreading a little money around to the wait staff, bouncers, other dancers, etc... I think if a woman is sitting with a guy and he won't pay a $1 tip to a waitress...it really doesn't matter that he's "saving that money for dances"...it's an indication to her that this guy is here to get grinded on till his $60 is exhausted...then he's scraping some change together to hit taco bell on the way home to his one bedroom apartment.
But if a guy is "cool"...and spreads the money around just a little...and aren't too "overly eager to cum in their pants"...women might feel a bit more comfortable with giving them a little more. And for me, that's what makes the experience better from one place to another...the feeling (or illusion) that I got a little something extra...that I made a "connection". Sure, I realize thats 98% illusion...and money trumps all else...but getting it to be 94% illusion versus 99%...that's what I like...that's when I have a "good time". At the end of the day, it's still $200 to get laid by a woman that gets laid by strangers for $200. I'm not stupid. But I like to at least feel like I got a little more for my $200 than the last guy...even if I had to spread $120 around to help build that illusion.
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13 years ago
jackslash, very insightful.
Dougster...if you're married and don't understand, I envy you. If you're single and don't understand...well, I still envy you, for being single...but you have no idea what you're talking about.
I'm married and haven't had sex since a mistress I had sex with over a month ago. And after I had (safe) sex with a stripper (although we exchanged oral unprotected) back in April, I got my blood tested shortly thereafter and it was clean.
Not saying it's the "ideal" plan...but when you're in a bad marriage, there aren't any "ideal" choices, just "rock, hard place, and other rock."
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13 years ago
Good advice...I'll add:
1) Treat them with respect, be a gentleman. Yes, they are mostly sluts. But most guys at strip clubs are A-hole scumbags. So, if the dancers are willing to treat you with respect, treat them with respect.
2) Tip your bar staff and waitresses.
3) Agree with OP...don't be "that guy" that nurses 1 beer for 6 hours. That's insulting to the establishment. Not saying you need to get hammered, but even if you're the designated driver...either buy soda, juice, or let the waitstaf know you're driving and give them $3 for water.
4) Don't grab. A touch and a smile or nod is about as far as you should be going if you're not paying for it.
5) Don't throw money at the girl on stage. Either slip it in her g-string, hand it to her, or just set it on the stage. Unless you're "making it rain" and just showering her with $50 worth of singles whiel she is laying on the stage...don't throw $1 at her like she's a dog.
6) If a girl is talking to a guy, and you want a dancer from her...wait your turn or politely ask the guy if he minds if you ask her for a dance. Slipping in between her and another guy is just rude and a good way to start a fight.
7) Keep your eyes to yourself in the private area. Staring at the other guys getting their dances is not only disrespectful to the dancer you're with, it's just plain fucking weird for the guy on the other end.
8) If a girl sits with you and talks to you for awhile, when she could be getting dances and making money...do what the OP suggested and tell her the least you could do is get a private dance with her for spending so much time with you.
9) Reject "nicely". Reject them politely like you'd want to be rejected.
10) "Ask" for a dance. Their answer is usually gonna be "Of course" or "I'd love to"...but it's appreciated when you "ask" and don't just treat them like they're obligated to do whatever you say.
And of course, tip. The only time I won't tip is if I get hustled and it's blatent. And even in those cases, things can get ugly. It doesn't have to be a big tip, but tips are expected. I don't tip the bouncers usually, but everyone else deserves at least a small tip.