Strip Club Etiquette, Thoughts and Observations

JohnBuford
Massachusetts
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I have been pleasantly surprised at the thoughtful and well written articles and discussions on this site. I hope the following adds to it. These are some ideas and observations I would like to share.</p>
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Before you go to a club clean yourself up. Take a shower, shave, put on clean clothes, etc. Pretty basic I know, but we&#39;ve all been in places where this wasn&#39;t always the case. I know some guys go directly from work and are working outside all day . Bring a clean shirt to change into as well as well as a toothbrush, toothpaste, and deodorant.</p>
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Bring money. Don&#39;t be a cheapskate. If you only have enough scratch for one visit, don&#39;t try and stretch it over two. You&#39;ll end up disappointed. Cash is the fuel of SC&#39;s. Don&#39;t visit when you&#39;re on &quot;empty&quot;. If you sit at the rail or stage, tip. If you don&#39;t like the girl dancing, get up and let someone else sit there who might. If a girl is working hard , but no one is watching or tipping, go to her when she comes off the stage and tell her no one should work for free and then give her a few bucks. I&#39;ve gotten great mileage out of this.</p>
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It&#39;s OK to ask for a glass of water, but if that&#39;s your drink of choice, stay home. My ratio is 2:1. For every two beers, I get a glass of water. Give the bartender a buck even if it&#39;s free.</p>
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When you&#39;re at a table and a girl approaches, stand up. This is two-fold. Number one, it&#39;s simply good manners. Try and remember that standing in those five inch clear stripper heels is a woman who enjoys being treated like a woman. If you like her, pull the chair out and invite her to sit. If you don&#39;t like her, stay standing. She&#39;ll get the hint and move on. (The smell of cigarette smoke is a deal-breaker for me.) Please don&#39;t waste a girl&#39;s time by asking her to sit knowing full well you&#39;re not gonna buy her a drink or get a LD. I&#39;ve made &quot;deals&quot; with girls by telling them I&#39;m not gonna get a LD, but they are welcome to sit and talk and in return I&#39;ll buy them a drink(s), with the understanding that she can/will get up and &quot;work&quot; the room. No hard feelings or misunderstandings. You&#39;ll be surprised how many will come back and sit with you. But if she doesn&#39;t come back, don&#39;t whine. It&#39;s not personal, it&#39;s business.</p>
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Be funny, be interesting. If you&#39;re both, it&#39;s a great &quot;panty peeler&quot;. Don&#39;t ask her age/weight/marital status/hometown/real name. If and when she&#39;s comfortable she will share. Be patient. Avoid &quot;you&#39;re hot.&quot; Like she hasn&#39;t heard that a gazillion times. I compliment their hair, nails, shoes and eyes. She spent a lot of time in front of the mirror to look good for you. Let her know you appreciate it. Be creative. Ask open-ended questions. &quot;What kind of music do you listen to when you&#39;re not working?&quot; If you think she might become a fave, give her a small gift. A bottle of nail polish fits easily in your pocket and goes a LONG way. If you see her eyes constantly wandering it means she&#39;s bored and/or looking for a bigger fish. Either way it&#39;s time to end the relationship. Stand up, thank her for her time and go to the Men&#39;s room before you go back to the bar. It looks better. Someone else will be along shortly and you&#39;ll get to fall in love all over again. I&#39;m not interested in anything OTC so I can&#39;t offer any advice in that regard. But I will stress again the importance of patience and end with this story. Two bulls, a father and son are standing on top of a hill. In the valley below was a herd of beautiful cows. The son turns to the father and says &quot;Let&#39;s run down there and fuck a cow. &quot; The father replies &quot;Let&#39;s walk down and fuck &#39;em all. &quot; Stay thirsty my friends.</p>
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joesparty
13 years ago
You're right, this is all common sense, but you're also right that many guys don't do these things. In my experience, both personal and observational, your tips go a lot farther than the type of childish or thuggish behavior I often see.
JohnBuford
13 years ago
Thanks man,I'm glad you liked it.
Stiletto25
13 years ago
I love nail polish!. Forget customers, if only every guy was as on point as you.
JohnBuford
13 years ago
Aww,I'm blushing like a schoolgirl. :) I'm so glad you like it.
Club_Goer_Seattle
13 years ago
I was thinking of writing an article on the same subject! You covered all the bases JB! Excellent thought here. I only part I might disagree with is nail polish as a gift. What if you offend her with your choice of color or brand?
JohnBuford
13 years ago
Thanks CG.Brilliant minds think alike. :) To answer your question:she'll tell you she loves it and swap it with another girl who does like it.
SuperDude
13 years ago
Get a travel size of skin lotion and keep it in your pocket. With her permission massage her back or feet with lotion during LD, while letting her know that she works hard and deserves to relax a bit.
JohnBuford
13 years ago
Very nice SD.I like creativity.
scubadude5150
13 years ago
Nicely written!!! Thank you for sharing lessons learned... Much appreciated...
JohnBuford
13 years ago
Thank you Scuba.I'm glad you like it
IrishLad
13 years ago
Overall I like your attitude. Strippers are 100% entitled to be treated like and given the respect deserved by all decent human beings (until and unless they start in with the manipulative ROB games).

Be clean and spend money...generally be polite and pleasant...you bet! If you let a girl sit and chat with you for more than a few minutes and don't either plan to get a dance or tell her you don't then you're an exploitative bastard for sure. Personally if i get a "wanna dance" or "want company" from someone I'm not looking to stay a simple "I'm OK right now thank you" suffices.

Buy alcohol? No, not required. There's usually a cover and you're supporting the club's entertainers with tips/lap dances (they rarely if ever pay them, but they need them). Heck most of the time the water is $4 anyway so you're even covering the club. NEVER feel obligated to drink. Bad bad bad (BAD) rule. I suppose going to a club, just paying the cover, not ordering anything and staring at the stage without tipping is tacky 9worse if there is a free buffet :-). Pointless. Boring. But yeah, tacky.

Stand up? Really? Are you serious? It would be like a freakin catholic mass if we stood up every time a girl trolled by to see if you wanted a dance or "company" in the clubs I go to.
Alucard
13 years ago
It is the Golden Rule & be a gentleman & be polite & treat her like a princess. This approach works for me.
gsv
13 years ago
Overall good tips...but yeah the other thing about standing tip is, at least in the club I frequent that would give the girl the impression that you'd want to go with her for a dance right away, which may not be what you want...
JohnBuford
13 years ago
Guys,thanks for your words.Insofar as alcohol/water,I certainly am not saying you have to drink alcohol.I'm talking about always looking for free water (as opposed to bottled) all night.
As a former altar boy,I smiled at the "Catholic mass" line.It will look/feel a bit awkward at first,but try it out and see if it works for you

RossVa
13 years ago
SuperDude, I would recommend against the lotion idea. I have spoken with many where a guy had proffered an "unopened" bottle of lotion, and offered to rub it on their feet, or anywhere else they desired. Most dancers will not trust that the bottle is truly unopened, and unadulterated lotion, unless they know the guy really really well.
sharkhunter
13 years ago
Stand up? Some of the clubs I go to the dancers approach me as soon as the previous girl leaves. Some dancers would think I am trying to leave if I did that. I have been asked over 100 times for dances in less than an hour or two at some large clubs I rarely visit. I would really get a work out if I kept standing up and sitting down 2 to 3 times every minute, sometimes more sometimes less. I think I would get tired.

I don't feel obligated to drink one thing over another. There have been nights when I only drank water or soda although that is not my typical preference. The clubs charge just about as much for whichever drink you buy whether it is beer or bottled water. Liquor does cost more though.

Otherwise I think the advice is good. I would not bring nail polish either.

One more thing I would add is not to drink too much. If you do call a taxi to spend the night nearby. Do not wander off to a table and interrupt a guy talking to a dancer you like even if they appear to just be sitting and watching the scene when you see them. If you want to get a dancers attention, wait until she is alone or on stage. Don't approach and talk to dancers at other guys tables. Of course if you're going to get drunk, you would be better off just staying home.
JohnBuford
13 years ago
I'm going to try and clarify my words on alcohol.I agree that no one should feel obliged to drink it
But please don't be cheap and try and drink free water all night either.Bottled water / Red Bull is about the same as beer in clubs. If you're really going to look like a pogo stick,then yes,always standing. will look silly
mikewazowski
13 years ago
While you don't have to buy alcohol, most jurisdictions' bars fall under what are known as "innkeeper laws." That means that if you are there, you must purchase and consume something and continue doing so as long as you are on the premises. So it doesn't have to be alcoholic but you'd better be buying something to drink. Paying cover does not constitute making a purchase under inkeeper laws.

I know one manager who, while nice to decent patrons, takes great glee in watching those who told him all about how they paid cover and don't have to buy anything from the bar, leave the property in an ambulance. The pisser is, once the cops arrive, all he tells them is that the patron refused to make a purchase and then refused to leave the property when asked and he became a threat to him, his staff and his guests. Then the guy gets to go to jail once he heals up.

Crazy but true.
newmark
13 years ago
One other point about standing is that it precludes women from sitting in your lap, if that is an option at your club. I suppose that can either be a good thing or a bad thing.
motorhead
13 years ago
Nicely written, John. I too want to comment on "standing". I'm a strip club veteran and have never even thought of that - or for that matter - seen anyone do it. Not saying it's a bad idea....but I gotta think that one over.
motorhead
13 years ago
Nicely written, John. I too want to comment on "standing". I'm a strip club veteran and have never even thought of that - or for that matter - seen anyone do it. Not saying it's a bad idea....but I gotta think that one over.
highroller23
13 years ago
Agree on most points here as well and I think we all vote that Johns premises are mostly all great, so anything said after that is just us throwing in some kindly rebuttals or additional thoughts. I think the clarification on the "drinking water" was spot on as was the "innkeeper" info (although possibly you get points deducted for knowing that, lol. For a second, I thought, "dad, is that you" . . .it isn't you right?).

I too am going to nix the standing up idea, but if anything just for myself. Some peeps can pull some things off, some can't. For starters, I go to relax and have a good time. standing up and sitting down isn't it. I like the thought of not making her sit down if you aren't going to buy her a drink, but not sure I would make that a rule, but just a nice gesture I personally keep in mind, although most certainly, some girls either don't stick around long enough or don't pass the "I buy you a stripper cost drink". I agree we need to deal with respect, but understand that what is respectful is a matter of opinion and some of the pushy girls don't quite get it. They may be working, but I am a patron, so let's play it by ear.

Lastly, the club, time of day and how crowded it is has to be taken into account, but I guess that is probably implied in the post.
IrishBstrdInc
13 years ago
This is a very well written and informative article John. I've taken a few of my younger coworkers out to strip clubs before. More often than not, it is their first time going. Many of the etiquette points you bring up are the same ones I bring up to them before we even head out.
JohnBuford
13 years ago
Guys,thanks again for the nice words.Insofar as the "stand/don't stand" I'm learning that there are simply too many variables,ie. type of club,crowded etc. to paint with such a broad brush.I realize I have never been in a club so packed with dancers (dammit:))that I would have looked foolish "bouncing" up and down.I'm a retired military policeman (MP) from the US Army and spent a lot of time in the South where opening doors,pulling out chairs and standing for women was simply done as a matter of course.I'm "old school" and see myself as the the father in the "bull" story. :)
steve229
13 years ago
Also JB, in clubs with a "dollar parade" (like my usual club), where every dancer stops by each patron looking for a tip, you would indeed be "bouncing" up and down like a jack-in-the-box, lol, I usually pick a seat at the bar, but I often chose to actually stand, which makes it easier to hug and grope, er, I mean caress, dancers that I know when they come by.

Oh, and I always stand up when my favorite comes over.
JohnBuford
13 years ago
Good point Steve.Standing for a fave makes it "special".Therefore she feels special.Nothing wrong with that.
skibum609
13 years ago
I would disagree with the standing up. You'd look like a jack in a box. I also find gifts unnecessary. I find etiquette is etiquette, whether you're in a strip club, a library, the grocery store etc. Be nice. Be polite. Hygiene should be a given...daily...no matter where you go. Be straight forward. If they ask you for a dance and you plan on not getting one...say so. Don't say not now or later. Its untrue and will cause hard feelings. Also,....smile. Seriously. Its incredibly important and not just here. It determines how people treat you. Walk down a street. Smile at everyone. Most smile back, especially if you have an "open" face. It works wonders. Lastly, when it comes to compliments remember the blonde with the huge rack...had heard every compliment about breasts known to humanity a million times. Compliment something else such as you have pretty eyes, a nice smile or your hair looks great. Try it... you will be amazed.
JohnBuford
13 years ago
Ski,this is why they make vanilla and chocolate. Standing HAS worked for me,as have small gifts. All your other points are spot on.Thanks for the input.
georgmicrodong
13 years ago
skibum, the advice about complimenting the non-obvious is spot on. Works amazingly well, especially if it's something that is a learned thing instead of a physical attribute over which she has little control.

And the standing thing works too; I'll often stand up and pull out a chair for a favorite who's coming to sit with me, or for someone I've specifically invited from the stage or something. I don't stand for every dancer that walks up, though.
canny
13 years ago
Where I live there are a number of clubs that don't charge for alcohol. They don't have and can't get licenses to sell alcohol, so they sell you a plastic cup for $1 and you can drink for free all night. If you're at a club like that, especially when it's crowded, when you go to the bar for a drink hold a $1 bill in the same hand that you're holding the cup in and hand the cup and the tip to the bartender. The bartender will give you your drink before serving the people who aren't tipping and your drinks will never be watered down. I told a dancer once that she should tip the bartenders to make the drinks stronger so that she'd get more dances and she laughed and agreed.

If you're driving home and you ask the bartender for water because you're driving and you tip as if you were buying drinks, many bartenders will give you a glass of water without charging you for it and they'll be happy that you aren't going to get in an accident on the way home that the bartender will be held accountable for in court. Even though the owner may grumble a little bit, the owner doesn't want his club to serve someone who gets in an accident either. Buying Coke or bottled water will make the owners who want you buying drinks happy. They don't care what you're buying as long as you're buying something.

I've had a couple of dancers say that they don't like pants with zippers when giving lap dances, apparently the zippers are not very comfortable. They'd prefer sweat pants or shorts that don't have a zipper, which is fine with me because they're more comfortable.

I agree with the compliments, as long as they're honest. I've had more dancers than I can remember tell me how nice it is to be complimented and treated with respect.
vegas4me76
13 years ago
JohnBuford = chump. Sorry, but your post makes me wanna puke. I'm not saying that dancers don't deserve respect - of course they do - but you're being ridiculous. Grow some balls.


vegas4me76
13 years ago
Wow, so many agree with the op. The pussyfication of America.
JohnBuford
13 years ago
Vegas,I was unable to read your post. I have an internal "asshole monitor" that notifies me when an asshole is in my midst.This has served me well over the years
Perhaps you can try and stop being an asshole (unlikely ) and try posting again
I am retired from the USArmy and saw/did things that would make assholes (that would be you ) assume the fetal position and pee from your vagina
JohnBuford
13 years ago
BTW,you're now ignored.Have a nice day.
staxwell
13 years ago
You'd think good hygiene would be common knowledge but sadly it isn't. As you told Vegas about your military background your post made more sense to me. I see that you aren't a PL, but a upstanding gentleman. And I hate to be the asshole(a long with Vegas) but come on... You're going to have a good time, not court a lovely lady! Buying small gifts,keeping drinks at all times, shaving and standing? Pfft, Why? I shower, I bring money, and I respect the girls, I only go as far as they want to go, and have a great time everytime. I've only been clubbing a year and I've been pretty successful with these girls, so I know for a fact this stuff isn't needed to "fuck the bulls/cows" so to speak. Like I said I'm not trying to be an asshole...but that's PL BS if you ask me. Otherwise, Thankyou for your part in trying to make this country a better place for kids like me.
JohnBuford
13 years ago
Stax,go back and read my post again.A gift is reserved for a fave
BTW,did you read the comment from the dancer? She said she liked the idea.I'll take her view over yours.Insofar as drinking,O made clear I don't believe you need to drink alcohol,just don't be cheap.Shaving? Personal preference
Stand/don't stand has been well documented in follow-up posts.Those who do not read are no better than those who cannot read.
now_starring
13 years ago
I did not read the entire post, but going from a job that makes you sweaty directly to the club is a no-no. I have had a girl sit with me for free, just to avoid a customer that always did that. Even if you think lowly of strippers have more respect for yourself.
Drippy
13 years ago
Nice article, JB. This kind of info is a good reminder for us that go to SCs regularly. But there are always newbies here that want to learn about the SC experience. So, writing about the basics now and then is a good thing for all of us. Well done.
staxwell
13 years ago
I hear you on the being cheap thing. And unless I'm reading that response wrong, it sounds like your being a dick, which is uncalled for being that this is a discussion and I was just giving my thoughts on the matter. And as far as the girl liking the idea, of course she would; Who doesn't like free shit? Your fave will like the gifts and you'll be the preffered customer...but that's it. You're money is enough, anything extra is just ass kissing. You think she'd buy you a small bottle of cologne because your her favorite customer and she appreciates all the tips?...Hell no! But if that's your game, and it works for you cool. I still think it's lame. And it reminds of that short fat guy with the glasses in the movie Striptease; She liked him in the club with the flowers and stuff, but outside the club he creeped her out.
JohnBuford
13 years ago
Stack,BECAUSE this is a discussion there is give/take. I wrote what I wrote because I feel you didn't take the time to read the comments
If you had, you would see I "backed off " the "stand " comment. I never saw the movie so I can't comment. Take what I wrote and apply where and when it works for you and disregard the rest Ok?
sharscombe
13 years ago
Loved the article JB. When I start going to a club regularly, I'll generally stand for my faves - or for those dances I rather hope to become faves - and it's always been met well. I've noticed compliments on the dancer's outfit works really well too, particularly when the outfit is intricate or imaginative.

Not so sure about the gifts... definitely should be reserved for a fave you've known for a while and who trusts you.

I agree with Drippy... good reminder for the regulars, and great heads up for the newbies!
staxwell
13 years ago
Will do.
JohnBuford
13 years ago
@Drippy and @Shar: thanks for the nice words guys.I'm glad you liked it. @Stax(sorry for screwing up your "handle" in my previous post )These are topics on which reasonable people can reasonably disagree.You're a gentleman and thus deserving of my time and response.If I came across as "my way or the highway" in what I wrote then shame on me.I would be foolish to think I could write an article that encompasses all clubs all the time.Simply impossible.Where we disagree is where your wrote "your money is enough." Well OK,depending upon what you seek I guess.I'm looking to be seen as "different" and if that means standing/ giving a gift so be it.I'll do those things that you view as foolish and uncessary.My experience in life has been that successful people do the things that unsuccesful people cannot/will not do.
Doc_Holliday
13 years ago
I agree with ettiquite. Shit, I wish every man would pick up a book on ettiquite! Long gone are the days of formalities. But, also know where you are. It's silly to wear a suit and be overly curteous where the lights are low, the seats are worn and filthy and the girls reek of tabbaco and perfume!

...in fact I can only think of one club that requires business casual dress. I'd actually like to see more places, SC and not, require suits.

Anyhow, good post.
Doc_Holliday
13 years ago
Let me rephrase that. Even if the place is a dump, the dancer may not be. So treat the girl as well as she treats you. Dances come in all shapes and sizes and I can see where some guys here have reason to give caution. A new club goer that gets pinned as a 'nice guy' can easily get targeted and picked apart by the vultures, leaving the night with both his heart and pockets broken!
Kimi
13 years ago
To me it sounds like you are acting as if you were dealing with a woman of your generation. I assume you're older. Girls these days don't appreciate the same things as girls might have a few generations ago, especially ones who get money thrown at them by men simply because they're hot.

Once you're in the club and spending, she has almost all the power in the interaction. I don't want to look like she's already impressed me with her tits just by walking up to me. And I don't want to look like she can walk all over me. Many things you mentioned make me feel like you're sending the wrong message.

Maybe it's just an age thing and if you can pull it off, more power to you.
jerikson40
13 years ago
Mr. Buford, I was gonna quibble slightly with a couple of your points, but then I saw you're retired from the US Army. Instead I want to say, sincerely, thank you for your service. And after re-reading your post, I'm guessing you could teach some of us (including me) a thing or two about how to treat people.

If I ever see you in a club I'll buy you a beer. :)
JohnBuford
13 years ago
@Kaya88:Thanks for your insights,and the nice words.I'll be careful.Promise.:)@Kimi,Trust me,I don't throw money at women just because "they're hot." (Your term,not mine.) I worked (and continue to work) too hard for my money.I'm assuming you're a woman and therefore it's hard for me to retort some of what you wrote,but women like being treated like women.Let's all of us hope that never changes.@jerikson:thanks for the nice words.If our paths should ever cross the first beer will be on me. :)
Kimi
13 years ago
Not a girl. Was it common for girls when you were younger to go for assholes? Either way, look at a typical strippers boyfriend
Would you consider him a gentleman? Even thought they might say they like to be treated like a proper lady, their actions say other wise.
JohnBuford
13 years ago
@Kimi:Uh,ok.You're a man.Good for you.To answer your question: women have been going for assholes since the dawn of time.That knife cuts both ways by the way.Both sexes are equally adept in picking assholes.I have no care/concern/thought for a stripper's boyfriend.Your input (while useless) did keep you off the streets however.Please continue to enlighten us.Have a nice day.
rh48hr
13 years ago
I would like to echo some of the others in thanking you for your service to our country, we will always be indebted to you. I also want to say I agree with treating women with respect. I try to treat all people the way I would like to be treated regardless of race, gender, beliefs etc. If we all did this, the world would be a lot better place to live in. Of course, this is a pipe dream and I know it, but I can't change who I am. Great points JB, thanks for taking the time to put it together. People can use what works for them and disregard the others.
JohnBuford
13 years ago
Thanks rh
I'm glad you liked it.Stepping in a SC doesn't mean leaving your brain/ manners at the door and start scraping your knuckles and mouth breathing.
vegas4me76
13 years ago
Just a reminder, anyone can say anything online. Given what a mangina this doormat is, military service is very unlikely.To him, and those kissing his ass, these girls laugh at you behind closed door. Don't buy into the op's desperation.
georgmicrodong
13 years ago
There is no downside to treating someone politely until they demonstrate that they don't deserve it. I'd rather be a "mangina" getting what I want than an asshole jacking off in the bathroom.
JohnBuford
13 years ago
Right on geo.You're preaching to the choir on this point.
Leonard313
13 years ago
Good advice...I'll add:

1) Treat them with respect, be a gentleman. Yes, they are mostly sluts. But most guys at strip clubs are A-hole scumbags. So, if the dancers are willing to treat you with respect, treat them with respect.

2) Tip your bar staff and waitresses.

3) Agree with OP...don't be "that guy" that nurses 1 beer for 6 hours. That's insulting to the establishment. Not saying you need to get hammered, but even if you're the designated driver...either buy soda, juice, or let the waitstaf know you're driving and give them $3 for water.

4) Don't grab. A touch and a smile or nod is about as far as you should be going if you're not paying for it.

5) Don't throw money at the girl on stage. Either slip it in her g-string, hand it to her, or just set it on the stage. Unless you're "making it rain" and just showering her with $50 worth of singles whiel she is laying on the stage...don't throw $1 at her like she's a dog.

6) If a girl is talking to a guy, and you want a dancer from her...wait your turn or politely ask the guy if he minds if you ask her for a dance. Slipping in between her and another guy is just rude and a good way to start a fight.

7) Keep your eyes to yourself in the private area. Staring at the other guys getting their dances is not only disrespectful to the dancer you're with, it's just plain fucking weird for the guy on the other end.

8) If a girl sits with you and talks to you for awhile, when she could be getting dances and making money...do what the OP suggested and tell her the least you could do is get a private dance with her for spending so much time with you.

9) Reject "nicely". Reject them politely like you'd want to be rejected.

10) "Ask" for a dance. Their answer is usually gonna be "Of course" or "I'd love to"...but it's appreciated when you "ask" and don't just treat them like they're obligated to do whatever you say.

And of course, tip. The only time I won't tip is if I get hustled and it's blatent. And even in those cases, things can get ugly. It doesn't have to be a big tip, but tips are expected. I don't tip the bouncers usually, but everyone else deserves at least a small tip.
JohnBuford
13 years ago
All good stuff Leonard
Thanks for your time and insights
looneylarry
13 years ago
I'd rather not fuck a cow. Otherwise, the OP has it.
JohnBuford
13 years ago
Glad you liked it Larry.Thanks for your time.
RegularJoe57
13 years ago
I agree with your sentiments, and I don't think enough guys do. Maybe it is a generational thing, but I am always polite and respectful to beautiful women. In my (pretty vast) experience with strip clubs, the dancers do respond to being treated like ladies... because they are. Even if they are used to being treated like crap by young guys they will be eternally grateful if you let them know that they are special and that you appreciate the job they are doing (and then tip them appropriately for it).
JohnBuford
13 years ago
Glad you agree Joe.Brillant minds think alike. :)Thanks for your time and insights.
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