Stripper Love and Big Mistakes
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There have been a few recent threads about whether a dancer and a customer can be friends, or whether the relationship is really, when you get down to it, just about business. And then there are the regular discussions about whether Dancer X is in love with Customer Y, whether they should date, etc. etc. etc. I realize I open myself to some ridicule by sharing my own recent experience, but I was one of those guys who recently asked for advice, and maybe someone else can learn from my mistakes.<br />
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I am relatively new to the strip club scene. I started going to clubs a little more than a year ago in a city where mileage was pretty low. Visiting the club was a new thrill but fairly safe, as there weren't any real opportunities to go beyond tame, low contact lap dances. Within a couple months, however, I found myself in the Midwestern club mecca of Detroit. I avoided extras for a while. Not to sound moralistic, but I am married and was worried about the slippery slope of extras. That concern quickly dissipated as I began visiting some of the clubs that are especially well known for extras, and the little head began to take over the thinking duties. I was addicted (both figuratively and literally) and spending a lot of money--more than I could really afford.<br />
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About four months ago, I started noticing one particular dancer at one of my regular clubs. Let's call her Becky (not her real name or her stage name). Becky is drop dead gorgeous, has a wonderful smile, can carry on a great conversation, and makes you feel like you're the only guy in the place. She had a steady stream of regulars, but I was able to get her attention by tipping generously at the stage. Fast forward a few weeks, and I was her #1 regular (or at least it felt that way). She would make a beeline for me almost as soon as I was in the door and would spend a lot of time just sitting with me. And the private dances--oh, the dances!--were incredibly intense. Without going into too much detail, I can say that she met my every physical need.<br />
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About two months into our ITC relationship, she suggested I look her up on Facebook. That's when I came here for advice. I was attracted to her and the idea of knowing more about her real life (she gave me her real name and real FB page). My concern was finding a way to get to know her without anyone in my life knowing what was going on. Some of you suggested using a dummy FB and e-mail account to communicate with her, but most of you advised me to let it go. Nothing good can come of this, you said. It turns out that the majority was right--well, mostly right.<br />
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I created a dummy FB account and she quickly accepted by friend requested. Next time I was in the club, I gave her my dummy e-mail, and she was e-mailing me, both innocent chatting and naughty pictures, within 24 hours. She invited me to lunch, and over to her place one evening the next week. I always paid for our dates out, but I only paid for her "time" on the rare evenings I kept her from work. We saw each other once a week (or more) ITC and multiple days OTC. She told me upfront that she didn't want a boyfriend, and I (obviously) didn't need a girlfriend. But we quickly became emotionally attached.<br />
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I knew I was in trouble when I saw a review here on the site with her name in it. The review wasn't specific, but I was literally sick to my stomach at the possibility of her having sex with other guys. I couldn't get the thought out of my mind. I wasn't sleeping well, I was distracted at work, and the stress was making me ill.<br />
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About six weeks after our first OTC date, I didn't hear from her for 2 or 3 days, which was unusual. I finally got her on the phone, and she let me down really easy. I wasn't ready to end our OTC relationship, but it was obvious to her that we needed to. She had the decency and kindness to be nice about it. She wasn't mad, she wasn't going to out me to friends and family, and she said she still cared about me. I believe that, and I still care about her. Maybe there was something else going on too (perhaps another guy already), but it could have ended much, much worse.<br />
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I still miss her. I think about her nearly every day. We aren't FB friends any more, which is good, because it's one less way I can obsess over her. I haven't been in her club in the few weeks since we last talked. We texted once last week on friendly terms, and I think that may be the last time I hear from her, unless I get the guts to go back to her club.<br />
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This entire episode was a huge wake up call for me. I had a lot to lose here--one of the comments I received from you all was to be prepared to be standing on the shores of Divorce Land, waving bye to half my stuff. That didn't happen, for which I am very lucky.<br />
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I don't regret my time with her, but I'll never do it again. OTC, sure, if the opportunity presents itself, but never another relationship. Always keep it business. It's harder to get attached when you're always paying for it.<br />
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I know each of us handles himself differently, but I hope my experience is helpful to someone else thinking about doing the same thing. Don't do it, unless you are seriously and honestly prepared for it all to blow up in your face. I'm lucky it didn't, but I might not be so lucky next time. That's why there won't be a next time.<br />
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For however much pain you may be feeling, be glad you can hold your marriage together and keep both heads working. You lost control, but you can get it back and stay strong. You're not the first to fall this way, but you are rare in being able to accept the end and recover.
2) if you spend more on the girl than you do on the house, or pay OTC, it's all business no matter what she says
3) limit yourself on girls you can afford
its a huge pandoras box and hopefully you truely have learned your lesson
My dad once told me, "when making friends, make sure some are beautiful ladies as they are much easier to look at than a bunch of old men" My dad is happy with my choices I think... ha ha
BTW, the ones I have physical relationships with, are awesome, and I would give up the physical before the friendship...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7hQEz5hM…
Plies song called "Becky" about a girl giving good head.
On the one hand, I can kinda relate. I went to Detroit as well and dropped more than I could afford one weekend. First sex I ever had outside of marriage and it was amazing. Like anything amazing, you don't want it to be over, so yeah, I wanted an e-mail or phone number or something...but didn't have the balls to pursue it. Then I met another stripper in a club nearby. same urge, to maybe go back, maybe become a "regular", maybe get "something more". And again, dropped more than I could afford.
On the other hand, I don't have that much sympathy (for myself or him) because it's all about money. That's all it is. The most pathetic guys in the club aren't the married guys looking for an escape from their life...that's just natural. And it's not the horny 21 year old geeks that blow in their pants as soon as the girls touch them. The most pathetic guys are the "regulars"...who think the stripper(s) are their friends. They show up at the club with hardly any money, thnking they'll get free attention because they're "special". But they aren't. As soon as a guy in a suit walks in and starts making it rain...you're an afterthought or worse, an annoyance.
That's their job. They make you think you're special. And even us veterans can get fooled from time to time (by the good ones). But when I'm out of dough...the night is over. When I walk in with a briefcase full of cash...I'm their new favorite. Same with extras. You want a little extra hand or mouth action in the private area when you're dropping $20 a dance...stay there for 10 dances. Drop $200 like it ain't nothin. She says, "I don't do that."...test her. What if I stay for 10 songs? What if I tip an extra $50? $100? $150? $200? $250? Everybody's got a price. They chose a profession where they get naked for money and let scumbags touch their private parts. Even the elite girls have a price..it's just higher.
Mmmmm interesting.
Grow up for God's sake. This women sells sex for a living and you were simply her money train for a short time. Now, not only have you put your marriage in jeopardy, she will always be able and come back for more money or else spill to your women the relationship. Try to sleep with that on your mind for the next few years.
If you want OTC action, do your communicating on a pre-paid cell ONLY, no emails or FB, even fake accounts can be traced.
And for God's sake, grow up.
FYI for those that asked, or those who were wondering, I think the word that best describes the situation is infatuation. I was infatuated with her and the situation. It wasn't about money, because (as I noted in the main article), I rarely paid her. Sure, I was a regular at the club, but I rarely paid her for OTC.
I'm just glad that this has made a couple guys think twice about what they're doing. Maybe not all of us will stop, but hopefully we'll all stop and think first.
I honestly believe that the reason *I* haven't fallen into the same trap is the fact that I don't have to hide it from my wife. I know that sounds weird, but I think the fact that I have a solid emotional base at home, one that, because she already knows, isn't going to change when my activity is "found out", reduces the emotional need that I think is at least partly responsible for some of the stories found here.
I'm in this situation right now, and, without divulging too much detail, I think this article may have just saved me a lot of trouble.
Nothing like having money, (temporary) power, and women to make you jumble your priorities.
Not seeing the rest of you is getting the best of me
It’s such a shame that you shot me down
It would have been nice to be around
I’m touching your skin
If it’s only a fantasy, then why is it killing me?
I guess this must be...infatuation
2) Is your wife putting out?
If you've answered yes to both questions... seems like a big risk to me.
If you've answered no to any question, you have bigger issues that dancer infatuation.
Dougster...if you're married and don't understand, I envy you. If you're single and don't understand...well, I still envy you, for being single...but you have no idea what you're talking about.
I'm married and haven't had sex since a mistress I had sex with over a month ago. And after I had (safe) sex with a stripper (although we exchanged oral unprotected) back in April, I got my blood tested shortly thereafter and it was clean.
Not saying it's the "ideal" plan...but when you're in a bad marriage, there aren't any "ideal" choices, just "rock, hard place, and other rock."
Yeah, like condoms are 100% effective.
However, I also estimate about 5 to 10 percent do develop, or have had honest, sexual-love relationships with customers. In their degree of sincerity, they are no different than non-dancers among the general public. (Even among the general public I estimate LESS than 20 % of non-dancers develop honest sexual love where material wealth or extreme insecurity is not the major reason.) The rare exotic dancers that engages in genuine friendships and love/sexual relationships are among the ones with the strictest rules about touching and, in most cases, are very smart and have a college education, and they do not do drugs. But some do drink alcohol.
I'm close friends with 4 part-time dancers like that. One has a semi-professional job during the day and dances for extra money (she use to do it in college); another lost her job as a teacher and dances (she also danced while in college) to supplement unemployment; and the other two are college students who dance because its the only way to pay for out-of-state tuition and their status as international students. All four live in cities outside of the city they dance in. This is because they don't want anyone where they live, or place of employment, or at their school, know that they strip. At my place of employment (I will not reveal my job) I frequently see two of the dancers. I keep what they do as a secret, and they keep it a secret that I first met them at a strip club.
I go out frequently with (and have had some sex with) two among the four dancers. But I know all four very well and have seen plenty of hard evidence (college transcripts, job badges, met their non-stripper friends at their work place, etc.) to know that they are telling me the truth. They have never asked for money and, in fact, they have turned down offers of money from me to help them when in a financial bind. At times they even insist on paying for drinks or dinner. Three of them were originally from another country but are either citizens now, or are green card holders. All four have extremely individualistic and unique personalities. Most notably all 4 are emotionally very secure about themselves, which is rare among most other women in the general public or among strippers. Also, 3 of them are from moderately well-off families who do not know that they strip. Interestingly three hardly ever drink alcohol, don't smoke, and have no tatoos. One has tatoos, drinks and smokes but nevertheless is very different from most exotic dancers and other women.
All four, as well as nearly all dancers, are highly tolerant of men's physical appearances, the roughness and touch of a their hands, and personalities of men in general (as are most women, but perhaps to a lesser extent). All four view most customers as men who show varying degrees of disrespect for strippers and especially view strippers mostly as sexual objects--no surprise here! They all agree with my analogy that 80 percent of the time they tolerate customers sort of the way a nurses aid or a plumber has to tolerate their job, but still have to do it. They allow for a limited amount of physical contact (including sucking their tits in the champagne room) that in most cases does not turn them on. But all four told me that they get turned on occasionally, at least a little, by the right guy who is nice and attractive to them. How's that different than when dating a really attractive nice guy? You get paid directly, and sometimes a lot, for letting him touch you intimately...what a deal when it's a pretty nice guy!!
Also, I know 2 really decent club managers and 3 bouncers who are married to dancers. The two club managers were protective of, and took good care of, one of my close dancer friends when she worked at their club. So in my experience, and observations, it is possible to develop a close and even genuine sexual relationship with a rare and exceptional dancer. But don't expect success, if you're a jerk and clearly put out vibes that you don't really respect them. And if you're interested in a friendship or love affair with a stripper, and lucky enough to have one, expect that they may be as fickled or unpredictable as any other woman...after all, they are women!!
The only partial exception I can see is if it includes OTC meetings that do not involve any of "that kind" of activity, and in which there is no payment for time. In short, you're simply meeting for, say, dinner, with no ties.
Yet even then, 1) there's often an unspoken quid-pro-quo that exists in which future club visits (and $$$) are expected, and 2) in most cases, they usually feel that there's something a little creepy about someone who goes to a club often enough to become a regular (my only long-time regular made the mistake of mentioning something about being tired "of guys who go to clubs" -- she realized what she said and blushed and apologized, but it wasn't a surprise.
There's not going to be a "love connection" here (in the very few cases where that happens, it happens VERY quickly). Being the regular can be a fun experience, and as socrates17 said, can be a relationship that is honestly enjoyable -- but the best (and really only) way you can come out of it in a good way is if both parties know going in what it is, and what it isn't.
1) OTC meeting that does not include the type of
you are soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo lucky
That is probably the best break you'll ever get. Don't repeat the mistake regardless of how charming, beautiful, etc. she is. It's only downhill from here pal and it will make your life sound like a CW song.