My Quest For Value - From Strip Clubs to Escorts
As a veteran hobbyist I have enjoyed many hours in strip clubs. With a career featuring a good deal of travel, plus homes in Michigan and Florida, I have been fortunate to experience some of the finest SCs in the country. Since I live in Michigan much of the year I am close to the Detroit hotbed of high mileage clubs. Accordingly, I quickly came to expect a certain level of mileage and service. Even at the Florida clubs I frequent I expect to get my fingers wet and often receive manual attention to Mr. Johnson.
For the past several years I have received LDs that allowed me to explore the dancer's body most anyplace including inside access. In many clubs I have come to expect at least a HJ and usually BJ (covered or not.)My favorite dancers have offered FS, usually cowgirl-style whenever I want it. I seldom pay more than the standard dance prices even while receiving these extras. (One exception is FS at a club's 2-4-1 day when I usually pay $100 for FS even when I received only a half dozen LDs.)
While I continue to enjoy clubbing, and experience it regularly, I have lately wondered if escorts may be a better value. I do not mean the Backpage experience as I am paranoid about LE and the "bait-and-switch" marketing techniques of many BP posters. Rather, I have begun to subscribe to a couple of escort sites for information on potential "dates." One such site I have found to be reliable is ECCIE.net. While this site is most useful for Texas and a few other areas of the country, I have found escorts in several cities.
Now how to compare the experiences? ITC I have usually paid $100 or so for extras including covered FS and seldom had the experience last more than 30 minutes or so, often much less. Well-reviewed Escorts, on the other hand, usually offer a full hour for about $200. While SC connections are nearly always performed on chairs or benches, escorts (in my experience) perform on a bed - a much more comfortable venue for an old man like me. With a full hour or more to play many more variations can be explored - DATY, DATO, DATT as well as 69 and several other offerings. I realize that some of you would have to add the expense of a hotel room for escort play unless you are willing to play in the escort's in-call, something I have never been willing to do. Since I travel a good deal the hotel is usually already available to me and, at my Florida place, I have always been able to use frequent guest points to score a free hotel playpen rather than bring a girl to my condo.
One added-value service I have begun to appreciate with escorts is the Dinner Date. When I travel alone I hate to eat at a fine resaurant by myself. Lately I have experimented with having the escort accompany me to dinner and then back to the hotel for "dessert." This usually costs about an extra $100. While there are indeed SC dancers who would entertain such an offer, they are rare and nearly always only after their shift ends at the club. Since I have found this SC option to be such a crapshoot, I now prefer the escort experience for a Dinner Date.
In summary, both the SC and the Escort experience have their delights. With a club visit I can always do a spur-of-the-moment visit without an appointment. Depending upon the club, I may have to wait 15-30 minutes to connect with my desired dancer ITC and, as always YMMV. With escorts one must plan a bit in advance and occasionally risk doing business with an unknown but, with proper screening and reviews, can nearly always find a kindred spirit for OTC fun and Your Mileage Will NOT Vary. SC expenses can be half the cost an an escort but the cost-per-minute is usually the same or even less for the escort experience.
I intend to continue both experiences in the future - clubs for spontaneous fun and escorts for those times when I want something better. I'm anxious to hear how you fellows feel about it.
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last commentGreat article Otto.
There may come a point in time when I feel the same way you do, but right now my preferences lean in the other direction. I have tried escorts, but for my money there is nothing better than OTC with the right dancer.
You have the luxury of clubbing in places where special ITC services are readily available. In most of the areas in which I club, if one wants to fuck a dancer one must take her out of the club. In the areas that I club in, the costs of taking a dancer OTC for an hour are usually comparable to the cost of hiring an escort, though with the hotter dancers it can be a little more expensive than hiring an escort of comparable looks.
There are a number of differences that lead me to choose OTC dancers over escorts:
It is tougher to enforce a full hour requirement with an escort as she generally requires payment upfront and is eyeballing the door after the first pop, while OTC strippers will normally take payment after the fact and are used to working under timed conditions;
They tend to be less transaction focused. For example, one can often include dinner and/or other little add-ons with a dancer at no additional charge outside of the cost of the romp, though this is a one-off thing rather than something done on every encounter;
I can see her in the club and then finish the night off OTC, which is a kinda' cool one-two combo.
I know that I am the first cock going into her that night [Remember, I am talking about girls from clubs where FS and BJs are not available. In places where the Full Monte is available ITC, I don't take girls OTC].
No screening - my name is not sitting on escort's computer, waiting to be dredged or coughed up when she is busted by LE.
Convenience - I don't need to schedule anything in advance. If the itch suddenly takes hold, then I visit the club. Now that does not mean that she will always be available on demand for a same evening side trip, the odds have generally skewed well in my favor in this regard.
Established dancers usually have ample reasons not to play games, not the least of which is that you know where they work and how to find them. I have never had a grab-and-dash with an OTC dancer or any of the other rip-off problems I here about with some escorts, who can simply disappear after ripping you off.
I know exactly what I am getting and am not exposed to bait and switch, being misled by outdated pictures, etc.
Anyway, to each his own and you have found what works for you. Thanks again for a great article.
You're a LUCKY guy to have persuaded Dancers to subscribe to your financial agenda.
TER is expensive $30/month but it has been useful
I think the TER model might work here. ;))
TER? Please elaborate.
TER = The Erotic Review
both areas of activity have their advantages.
I am trying to figure out some of the accronyms. Somebody please help.
otc Itc YMMV
Hi Bob- OTC = Outside The Club ITC = Inside The Club YMMV = Your Mileage May Vary
Thanks Otto
Otto,
What are your favorite clubs in Detroit area?
naughtyreviews is helpful as well.
Detroit sounds like the Wal-Mart of strippers and escorts!
Before discovering SCs I patronized both escorts and massage parlours. Escorts were less satisfactory for me than massage parlours. Generally I found escorts to be unreliable. Usually they did not appear at the hotel at the agreed hour and, like others say, pics often did not jibe with the appearance of the girl at the door.
I have never visited an American massage parlour but from what I read here on tuscl I am certain that Canadian massage parlours are entirely different from their American cousins. Canadian massage parlours can be very swanky and they are all very comfortable. There is no worry about LE in Canada. Sex is a guarantee. Drawbacks - small number of 'therapists' on staff at any one time and inconvenient business hours. Once you have a connection with a particular girl or with a particular parlour out call service can be easily arranged.
Now that I have discovered what can be available in SCs I use clubs for most of my sexy fun. My preference is always for OTC with my chosen beauty at my hotel but I never turn down a romp in the VIP if that is all that the girl is offering. I like the variety on offer in SCs and the later operating hours compared to Canadian massage parlours.
When it comes to money I am not the world's best haggler with these girls. It has been a long time since I have hired an escort but back in my day it was very rare to pay less than $300 for an hour with an escort. Massage parlours in western Canada are much more economical: $150-$250 with an added room fee. That room fee can be all over the dial and MUST be negotiated. It is a miracle if I escape from a SC at those massage parlour prices. With all the booze that I usually consume while priming a girl for OTC and the lap dances that go along with that whole deal I consider $500 to be a bargain. If I were a regular I am sure that I could bring that price way down to what you guys report.
It has been at least two years since I have used an escort and I don't think that I will be going that route again. Strippers and massage parlour 'therapists' are much more satisfying for me these days.
well said. great article. My tastes frequently rotate between ITC activities and calling in. I found the biggest challenge in calling in room service is that you never know what type of vibe/connection you will have with the chick until she gets there. (unless its a repeat). In a titty bar you get a small chance to sample the goods first. Calling in is usually more economically. The last point is that ITC there is a certain enjoyment(at least for me) about the chase. You just do not know if you will get the poison out or not. When you call in you are a lock....not there is anything worng with that. I just like "the chase" immensely.
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I was actually going to write a similar article.
I found (in Detroit actually) that strip clubs are often times just brothels. But in a strip club, by the time you pay cover, buy a drink or 3, you're already in for say $18-$39. Now, if you want to sample a couple ladies...lap dances...standard, you're out another $20-$50. Stage tipping, you're out another $20-$40.
And when you finally get to the sex, if it's a place that offers it...hopefully you've done your homework or it's blue ball city...it's gonna run about $150-$250 by the time you pay the VIP fee to the club, the price of the dances, and the tip for the sex. That means, sex in a strip club costs $188-$339.
So, when I found back page....just seemed like "wow! I can just skip to the sex...$60 for a fat/ugly chick...or you can get a hottie for $200. But generally, sex with an escort runs $100-$200. BUT...the danger factor goes up because you're more exposed to potential stings or robberies. Not to mention, there's just something that feels "dirty and wrong" about banging some skunk in a low rent motel room...with her coochie sore from all the activity. Not to mention, it seems like most of them are in that business to support a drug habit. But, it's cheaper than a strip club. Not per hour...but per orgasm.
But even escorts can be a little too pricey...so the next on the list is massage parlors. Now, again, like strip clubs...gotta know which ones offer happy endings...BJs, etc...services vary. A massage runs $30-$50...a happy ending costs at least another $20. If you want more, you usually gotta go there after 7PM...gotta find the ones that are essentially whorehouses...they usually charge about $180 total for sex. The girls are attractive...less likely to be a sting or robbery compared to escorts...but ya gotta be into asians or hispanics.
So....the totals are (average):
So monetarily speaking....it's pretty much a wash. If you're strapped for cash, you can find a $60 escort during the day...she'll be fat and ugly...but thats your cheapest option. I also know of a strip club where one of the dancers gives hand jobs as part of her standard lap dances...and I have a couple free entry passes to save on the cover...so it only costs me about $65 after mandatory beverage and tips. For me, strip clubs are almost always the more expensive option, because you're staying there longer...and all the tipping, drinks, dances...then sex at the end of the night...it always seems to be a $200-$400 affair...which is why I aint join as often as I'd like!!
I'll have to agree with the above, the erotic review is the best place to screen escorts, and the occasional massage girls.
Getting it at a strip club is a more "rewarding" experience, but then again you never really know if it is going to happen or not. For the most part, hiring an escort you know what you are going to get and for how long. That fact could make the escort option more convenient at least. But I still perfer the "unknown" aspect from an SC. There's no better reward than getting FS or other extras spur of the moment instead of pre-negotiated.