Why Don't Police Do Anything About Prostitution/Escorts/Massage Parlors? It's a Joke.

Personally, I prefer LE to worry about the suicidal 18 y/o kid from Yemen who's trying to kill us American then the sexual doing of consenting adult living in a supposedly free country.

If I remember correctly... I believe there was one federal agency that was busy wire tapping a NOLA escort agency while the 9/11 attack was in progress.... and then priorities changed.

I'm of the same opinion as mjx01, why should the country even be spending any resources trying to prevent consenting adults from having sex? Sex by itself doesn't hurt anyone unless they are transmitting deadly diseases. There is protection available. Either party can choose not to participate. Meanwhile there are thousands or even millions of people trying to kill as many of us as possible just because we enjoy basic things like being able to vote, watch movies, run in races, or whatever we wish to. I believe it's much wiser for those resources be used to help prevent violent crimes rather than arrest and detain someone for having sex.

If someone wants to pay for sex, I do not believe that should be a crime by itself. However there are those among us who wish to keep the status quo and make it much harder for ordinary guys to get sex. I believe these are the prudish so called moral religious people who like the idea that the only people that should be having sex are married people who are married to each other. Everyone else can be arrested and put in jail or fined for violating their belief system.

I do not believe I can go up to any hot girl in a strip club or even a regular club and offer to pay her money and have her agree to have sex with me. I could be wrong. Maybe I am so hot, all the girls melt like butter. I have heard of a dancer being offered $5,000 and she turned him down. Detroit sounds like a different world from what I am used to.

On the other hand relationship can develop and things can happen just like outside a strip club with regular girls. They are all human after all. I hope they are human. If I was meeting aliens disguised as human females, that would be weird.

I don't worry about a sting or getting busted to answer the question. It is not because there is no enforcement. It is because the enforcement is so strict, I see no extras anywhere and I do not believe it is happening anywhere within site whenever I visit clubs in my area. Now if there are closed doors somewhere, I do not see what is going on.

As far as arresting everyone involved in an illegal activity, that doesn't necessarily sound right to me. If you arrested everyone for every illegal activity they did, everyone would be in jail. That is a huge waste. I believe you could even lock up all the police as well because I bet every single one of them went at least one mph over the speed limit while off duty at some time in their life or did something illegal. Did it hurt anyone? Probably not.

Enforcing stupid laws is a waste of money. Protecting and serving the public means stopping violent criminals before they maim and kill. Stop the thieves who are so bold nowadays, they actually rob police vehicles.

Of course this probably means in any worst case scenario that happens, don't count on the police being there to help you. Get a gun if you want protection or take your chances. I don't need a gun to protect myself from a couple of people having sex somewhere. I might need a gun if an organized crime ring and their leaders were running a prostitution ring or other organized crime was collecting vast sums of money and they were doing hits on anyone who blew a whistle or spoke out. Arresting the stupid people feeding the mob might scare the people but it doesn't stop the mob. The mob just keeps operating. In some cases, I wouldn't be surprised if keeping things illegal was making the mob operation more profitable.

A victimless crime is a crime because it violates a law. Police are most interested in responding to complaints. If and when a club is raided or shut down its usually because its a public nuisance. Shootings, liquor law violations, and the ilk will cause problems. My favorite club has cops in and out all the time. I know one dancer who provides extras to an off duty officer. It's not in anyone's best interest to stir up trouble. Why the government doesn't make consensual sex legal and tax it escapes me. So much of the sex trade is part of the underground cash economy that it never shows up on the federal or state books. Instead, many women make big bucks working on their backs, get welfare, health care, earned income tax credits, etc. many escorts do take credit cards as do most clubs, but the real money is cash. Cities tolerate clubs. Most towns fight them tooth and nail. In a small town near my home one man has been fighting the town for about 6 years trying to open a strip club. The town has passed restrictive zoning, denied building permits, and blocked every effort. Finally a judge ruled in his favor, ordered the town to allow construction, and grant a liquor license. I'm sure the cops will ride herd on this club when it opens looking for any violation. Politicians act in funny ways when trying to project an image of wholesomeness at the small town level as well as the national level. And yet politicians from Wilbur Mills to Anthony Weiner have acted just like us. Pathetic Losers and horny old men. It's just that few of us can admit it publicly in our holier than thou Christian society.

If you were a cop you could make 15 arrests per day, but could you get 18 convictions? Getting a conviction on a prostitution charge is not easy, particularly in a strip club environment. The dancer can claim that the sex was free and consensual and nothing to do with payment for the dance and is the customer going to contradict her? To get a conviction you are going to have to go undercover and actually get them making the quid-pro-quo deal.

And then they have to testify to it in court, in public, under their real name and be subject to cross examination. Not fun.

Besides, police have only so many resources and as a result tend to concentrate on the cases where the most community harm is being done...streetwalkers, underage prostitution, human trafficing, etc. What mutually consenting adults are doing in strip clubs, massage parlors, or after connecting on backpage in a motel room is pretty harmless, almost desirable, by comparison.

Shark...you're just wrong man. I don't know why the regulars haven't jumped in to contradict yet, but strip clubs are just brothels with music. Id LOVE to see a stripper turn down $5000 for sex. I could get a stripper to let me punch her in the face for less than that.

As for mjx and others...I'm not arguing that they should get prosecuted. I think most of us would agree legalization of pot and prostitution would probably solve more problems than it would cause.

The "issue" is the double standard. The issue is cops running prostitution stings and "catching a predator" and that kind of thing...the whole time they are ignoring escort sites and strippers...and giving prostitutes a slap on the wrist. There was a country in Europe (I think Iceland) that made prostitution legal "for providers" but ramped up penalties for "Johns" (or users of the service). How is that remotely fair? Either society accepts it as a part of society, or they don't. But having sympathy for the woman who sluts herself out so she can afford drugs while putting a sex starved married guy in a position where he has to wear an ankle monitor or register as a sex offender...I mean really?

California just passed stricter laws on human trafficing...states are in races to make "sex offender" a more and more espansive term. And the result is, we have more and more and more sex offenders. If a stripper gives a dude a BJ for $25...she gets fingerprinted and released and is giving $25 BJs the next day. Meanwhile the male customer is fined hundreds of dollars, spends a night in jail, has a court appearance, and is a registered sex offender for a minimum of 15 years. Really?

I'm not advocating crackdowns on the women. Hell...make it legal and get the tax money for it. Regulate the crap out of it so its safe for chrissake! But whatever you do or don't do...its pretty damn unfair to penalize men and then act like the women are "victims". Hell...I had 2 separate instances where strippers stole money from me...and multiple instances where I got hustled. If anyone is a "victim" in the scenario...its not the chick making $600 a night simply flashing what god gave her!

Dude (OP):

It is the oldest profession in the world for a reason.

It occurs in every country and more so in many other countries IMO.

It is also legal in many if not most 1st world countries (Canada, France, Brazil, etc.).

Famous and powerful people partake in it – including top politicians.

The problem is not that consenting adults are partaking in it – the problem is that they try to make it a crime.

If you take away escorts,massage parlors juicebox would go crazy

Actually I think it would make juicebox sane.

I'm just saying in my area I know of someone who offered $5,000 and was turned down. I suspect that he didn't know what he was doing and she thought he might be a cop or something. I could hook up with a dancer for free or at least maybe one or two of them. That was back in 2007 so maybe economic conditions are different now. As far as what I observed, that is local to clubs I visit when I visit. Anytime else and anywhere else, is probably different. That does not make me wrong. It's just one observation as are others. If everyone else says they are getting extras without even trying, then I must live in a very conservative Bible belt section of the country.

hmmm, I think people say that about this region. It certainly is not Detroit or California. I'm not saying you can't get extras either. I'm just saying and being truthful that I don't see anything like that going on when I visit. I visit on the weekend when clubs are crowded. By extras I mean bj's or FS. I really do not see that going on. the clubs I visit have more strict policies than a few years ago. Well one is about the same but Platinum fired a lot of dancers a couple of years ago for not following rules. I thought it sucked but I thought they must be protecting themselves in case the cops are watching too closely.

I guess you could say after one of the sister clubs in another state was shut down, they fired several dancers working at the local club I visit to stop dancers from breaking the rules. Apparently this is not the case in many other areas of the country. If someone is breaking rules though, I always thought it happened when not too many people were around. I'd probably be surprised if I ever visited some of these other clubs.

I don't visit the shadier clubs in my area so I don't count those either. I'm only counting the clubs I visit at the times I visit.

I don't mean to post too much but the police are very active in western South Carolina making arrests and cracking down. Here is an example I just saw in todays news. wyff4.com

" I don't know why the regulars haven't jumped in to contradict yet, but strip clubs are just brothels with music"

It is a matter of opinion Sir.

Sex between to persons of legal age and in a consenting situation - whether money is involved or NOT - is NO ONES business. It is ONLY between the persons involved in the sexual activity.

L.E. has more important subjects for their ever declining resources that trying to regulate the sexual activities of consenting persons who are of legal age.

I don't care what you may or may not do sexually, and my sexually oriented business/activities are none of your business Sir. Thank you for your attention.

I can go to 2 clubs at 4PM today...and for $155-$200 have sex with a stripper. Not "hopefully"...its guaranteed and the house takes a cut. Its not a "matter of opinion"...its factual. Same for Detroit. Not saying certain girls won't ever decline...but you're talking single digit percentages.

Hey Shark...not to burst your image of South Carolina being virtuous...but go on backpage for South Carolina....sex for sale...pages and pages.

Do you think the cops are just clueless? Maybe they have a really horrible internet connection? Maybe Backpage is blocked by their servers?

So that mayor got busted, publically humiliated, and probably thrown out of office...yet a fat 39 year old woman is offering sex for $80 right now in Greenville...what are the odds the cops show up, bust her, and put her picture on channel 4? Yeah...about the same odds of me going to a strip club and not finding at least 2 strippers willing to blow me for $150. Not good odds.

I'm not hatin man...I used to be like you. I used to think the only guys gettingt laid at strip clubs were bouncers, DJs, club owners, and the occasional young guy with a 6-pack and charming personality...but it was so very rare...like seeing a cuckoo bird. Fast forward 10 years...if I want head and neither of the first 2 chicks I proposition "do that"...I'm offended and leave to go to a different club. What's the point? Sitting my a stage all night getting hustled for $10 drinks and $30 air dances while some drugged out ho is giving you the stink eye because you're not tipping her $5 bills for her elaborate stage routine which consisted of her taking her clothes off, laying on her back, and spreading her legs while she looked about as interested in you as she is in becoming a productive member of society?? Yeah! Sign me up! I love walking out of club down $250 with blue balls. That's a great investment. NOT!

But walking out semi buzzed, out $400 and knowing that I just blew my load in a tight 19 year old who if I met at a regular bar wouldn't give me the time of day...at least "sorta" worth it.

If you have a problem with paying for sex, DON'T do it. STAY away from businesses where it happens.

I don't have a problem with it. I have a problem with paying for just the "idea" of it. And I have a problem that if I were to be busted...the gal would get a "talkin to" and id be in jail and a sex offender/sex trafficer.

I see two issues:

1. I've always felt (pun intended) that what normally goes on in a strip club is light weight prostitution. Just lap dances alone are a customer paying a dancer for the use of her body. That much isn't sex, but it's a lower form of pay for play.

2. It's the age old story of trying to legislate (and subsequently enforce) morality. Many agree that law enforcement resources would be better used elsewhere.

I don't have a problem with it. I have a problem with paying for just the "idea" of it. And I have a problem that if I were to be busted...the gal would get a "talkin to" and id be in jail and a sex offender/sex trafficer.

Oops...double post. Damn my phone!

Steve Martin: "I damn thee!"

"It's the age old story of trying to legislate (and subsequently enforce) morality. Many agree that law enforcement resources would be better used elsewhere"

EXACTLY!!!

Leonard313, if you wish to avoid getting arrested for engaging in sex with a pay-for-play provider - STAY away from Sex businesses & STAY away from Sex Workers. IT isn't Rocket Science!!!

Depending on your state depends on the massage parlor thing. I know some states have license and other things that are rigid in place but, then other states are so lax about it that a yanky cranky can open and not need 1 person in there that has any training to do massage. As for escorts, with the internet it's not so easy to track someone. You can post something and not be found and you can post something and be caught right away. There is just too much crime going on that I don't think the man power is out there to get everything needed for conviction. Prostitution is also become an internet thing but, then there are the girls in club that will do more ITC and OTC. I've been at clubs where the bartender goes around informing everyone when a cop walks in. In the long run their could be bigger issues going on and the time, money and energy to get someone caught in the act could not be worth it at the time. It still leaves me wondering when you go into these places why the dancers always ask if you are a cop. Do you have to say yes by law if asked? It's just something I find funny.

Allucard...you're not "getting it".

I'm not complaining...unless I start trying to bang 16 year olds....I have less chance of getting arrested for paying for sex than I have of getting arrested for tax discrepencies. That's the point...the police don't care.

My point is...if they don't care...then let's end the shirade. Let's stop the "act".

Allucard, I don't mind getting busted for solicitation if the other person gets the same penalty for prostitution. She chooses to suck me for $50...I choose to give it to her...we both are unfortunate enough to be doing it during a rare raid and get caught in the act....we both get fined $250, registered as sex offenders, and spend a night in jail. OR...the cops tell us both to get lost because they have more important things to worry about.

What ISN'T fair...is the guy in plastic zip ties getting his hearing date scheduled while the gal is a "victim". Of matter of fact...if peeing outside makes someone a sex offender...shouldn't every single stripper be a sex offender?

Hell if I know, but one cause could be misallocation of resources. I cannot say whether this applies to the entire US but I've lived in three different places where law enforcers put enough time & effort into crackng down on one type of crime that other crimes went undetected & unpunished. When I lived in the Midwest, for the cops it was all about catching speeders. They would respond to a domestic dispute if called, but the main thing was writing those speeding & traffic tickets. It was all about the revenue. In Vegas the situation differed on how it played out but had things in common with flyover country. The differences were that in Vegas the tourists were usually left alone unless they really got out of hand, whereas with locals they would impound your car for a broken taillight & busted meth dealers all the time, while escort service was mostly untouched. Where I am now it's truly pathetic: A few days ago five officers in three copmobiles, & a firetruck, all showed up to catch a streaker. The firetruck & one patrol car blocked off northbound lanes of the street where he was apprehended. All for a guy with no clothes. On Friday nights you can report a domestic disturbance & maybe 1/2-hour later a single officer in a patrol car will swing by. If he doesn't see anything, he'll keep going.

Maybe that's why so much of the sex trade gets away with its doings. Not enough cops, & the ones we have keep going after petty crimes more than anything else.

Fairness has nothing to do with anything. Right or wrong, the purpose in making high profile examples of a few Johns is to deter others from looking for prostitutes, ESPECIALLY since they lack both the will and the manpower to constantly chase after pros and Johns. The occasional high profile smachdown also provides police and politicians with political cover.

Idk, but most large scale prostitution busts that I see involve streetwalkers and drive up Johns. Now every so often we will hear about a BP or CL sting as well, but truth be told I don't think that they are that common, especially since it requires a lot of work to catch a few people. Again though it makes for nice headlines. ;)

I guess I just don't worry about it as I only source my fun from strippers and mostly through takeout. And if I was ever to call an escort again, it would only be one who was well reviewed on TER.

But lastly Leonard, with respect to the comments about strip clubs, your experiences are local. Parts of CA, Detroit, Providence, Miami, Houston and some other areas have clubs that are more or less brothels, but the vast majority of strip clubs in the U.S. are far less open than that. Calling all SCs brothels is a ridiculous stretch.

Hey man...I call em as I see em. I've frequented Michigan and California. Sampled Indiana...sampled Illinois...sampled Colorado. Also frequented Ontario. And yes...it DOES differ. But as great as Detroit is...I've heard the same thing about Atlanta. Chicago you had to be more selective...and I've heard NYC is just overpriced nothing.

But from the clubs I've went to... the only difference is the price. $80 in Tijuana. $150 in Anaheim. $200 in Detroit. $400 in Vegas and most everywhere else. $1000-$4000...you write the rules anywhere.

When I first started out...I thought differently. I thought of it as an "artistic experience" and you practically sat on your hands while a gal danced an arms length away then smiled as you gave her your $20. But then...you start to touch...they don't mind...and you get the nerve to ask for more. And if you got the cash...even if that particular dancer won't play for pay...she'll point you to the dancers in the place that will.

Its just common sense. If a guy asks you to strip to your panties and he'll give ya $20...and you're okay with that...the next logical question is "what would ya do for $50?"

I agree with most folks here...legalize it, regulate it...let's stop pretending already! But where I get annoyed is the unfair treatment of "johns" versus the treatment of escorts/dancers/prostitutes as "victims". Victims!? Damn...where's the sympathy for us fellas that just dropped $400 at the club and got nothin to show for it other than a used condom and a need to make sure we have a blood test done to rule out any "potential issues".

No rub u rong time

I always thought the police were in on it.

In San Diego, they even prevented a place from getting shut down.

sandiegoreader.com

I think in San Francisco, they leave the good places open and have to bust a few here and there just to keep the general public happy.

My 2 cents.

No, no, I think that statement makes you pro-pedophile. 12 year olds can't consent to sex because they're idiots, all of them, so I'm happy to see creepy weirdos getting busted by Chris Hansen on television. Also, immigration is a terrible crime? All strip clubs are brothels? You're blowing my mind.

Anyway, trying to stop prostitution is like trying to stop the tides with a bucket. LE has better things to worry about, like actual crimes that hurt people.

Well duomax...

1. I'm no more "pro-pedophile" than I am pro rape. I'm just saying that a lot of effort seems to be spent to "gotcha" guys...but if a meth addicted whore is blowing guys for $25 and spreading disease...its "sad" and she's a "victim of the streets". No she's not. She's a whore that has made bad life decisions and chooses to use her body to make money that she can then snort or sniff or inject. She's no more a "victim" because of her drug addiction than a john is a "victim" of his sex addiction.

2. "Illegal" immigration is a terible crime. It has led to an explosive prison population, fuels murders and the drug trade, and robs the country of resources. It undercuts supply and demand in the workforce and leads to a reduction of the middle class and expansion of poverty.

3. a brothel provides women for sex services and takes a cut for providing the physical location. A strip club meets that definition to a tee. The only difference between the Landing Strip and Hong Kong Gentlemans Club is it costs more north of the border. The house still takes a cut...the bouncers take a cut...and its the same penis with a condom going into a mouth and a vagina. The only difference is in Tijuana you can't talk much unless you speak Spanish...and in Detroit its more rushed and cramped. Same services...a whore is a whore regardless of language.

And finally...while I believe prostitution should be legal and regulated...all crimes have victims. There aren't "okay crimes" and "not okay crimes". Or at least there shouldn't be. Either prostitution is a crime or it isn't. Either we arrest both parties and punish accordingly, or we don't. My whole point was that its a joke...because it is so prevalent...yet people act all "scared" they might get busted. Police don't care about hookers or strippers or johns or even pimps. They pretend to care about sex traficing...and they care about sex with kids...but like the previous poster mentioned...cops are paying for sex too...

Of matter of fact...I talked to an escort once...asked her what the worst experience was ever with the profession. She told me it was when a cop showed up, called up 2 buddies, then proceeded to repeatedly rape and beat her..then steal her money. Cops generally believe they are above the law. Is that a "victimless crime"? What about the Johns that are mugged and assaulted by escorts and their pimps? "Victimless crime?" Or was it "their own fault"? Is it not also the escort's "own fault" for getting raped? My point is...these sexual encounters are all about crime. Drugs, assault, rape, sex slavery...all "part of the game". So its nowhere near "victimless". I saw massage parlors with asians just off the boat...being forced to have sex. I've seen girls so addicted to drugs they were shaking. Girls who nearly cried during sex because their vaginas were so sore.

These things aren't black and white; right or wrong. They are very grey areas

I dunno... I used to be for legalizing the trade, but frankly I wonder now if any amount of gov't oversight can clean it up. And human trafficking does happen; eastern Europe is the main region that supplies women these days with southeast Asia running a close second. It's one thing for a stripper to decide to do.P4P OTC; it's her decision. But a woman lured with promises of good-paying work somewhere, then taken to a different country & kept in a room where she services whoever walks in or else she gets beaten...what could legalization do about that?

Legalization won't solve everything. But it makes a field where if a woman is desperate enough to go that route...safER. Still not safe..you're dealing with drunk men twice you size violating you intimately. Its still a risky career choice. But legalizing it would:

1. escalate the clientel. Current clients are lawbreakers and sex addicts and morally challenged...only. legalizing brings in more mainstream clients that may still be "morally questionable"...but not as dangerous. Like strip clubs...you still get the creeps....but you also get the college kids and bachelor parties and old lonely guys.

2. Allow women the ability to easily report problems. Now a woman has to admit being a prostitute to report a crime. Legalizing it means she's just a woman with a job and can report problems.

3. protects men...making sure the women are disease free...allowing men to come forward when they are robbed or assaulted.

4. it allows law enforcement to focus on areas of real crime...kidnappings, sex slavery, violence, rapes, child exploitation.

Legalizing doesn't kills the roaches, but it turns the lights on and makes them scatter.

That's my take anyways.

If you gave a woman a diamond bracelet, and she was so grateful she fucked you, that would not be prostitution. Prostitution is agreeing to exchange sex for money or something having monetary value. The agreement is the crime, that's why you can get arrested for prostitution without actually having sex.

Smart escorts just hang up on anyone who tries to discuss what sexual acts will occur during the time together. Judges with any respect for civil liberties are very leery of the idea of an agreement being made without it being stated in writing or at least orally.

Ilb...if police wanted to stop it; it's not that complicated. Its actually funny to see strippers/escorts try to pretend they're legal experts. On some sites...the escort will post a little picture stating that "by calling/meeting me, you are agreeing that you are not a police officer or law enforcement". Really? As if that actually works! If it did...drug dealers could just post that sign on their meth labs..."Police Not Allowed" and OF COURSE the police would have to honor it because I mean...its a posted sign isn't it?

Police can call up an escort...lay the money on the table...and when she starts to go down on him...put the cuffs on her. She is offering sex for money. Its that simple. There's no fancy "tricks" to keep you from getting busted. The reason it never goes to court is its just not worth the time. Arrest her, fine her $150, put her back on the street. She's not gonna fight it because she doesn't want to stay in jail and she'll only lose in court. The legal system doesn't want to make a huge case out of a non-violent low level felony/misdemeanor.

And I'm fine with that arrangement...just don't be harder on the "Johns" than you are on the hookers. The hookers get a slap on the wrist and a warning. The Johns get their cars impounded, are fined $300-$500, and end up on a sex offender registry...and still have to go before a judge and probably lose their wife and kids and job/livlihood. Meanwhile the cops know that hooker by name and see her posting her ads every single night like clockwork. Its silly.

what would juicebox due with out escort services,strip clubs, & massage parlors

He'd probably just turn into a peeping Tom or masturbate under a blanket at the beach. But I'm just guessing.