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11 years ago
I feel I need to clarify:
I wasn't saying sex trafficking was a 1 to 1 relation to strip clubs. I've just found that many men that frequent strip clubs tend to be interested in sex. Many that would pay for sex inside the club, tend to be willing to pay for it OTC. And if you're willing to have sex with a stripper in a hotel room…many times that stripper also works as an escort…which can lead to purchasing escort services, etc…
I personally prefer strip clubs. You get a show, a variety, a choice of women. And there's a bit of "mystery" (unless it's Tijuana) as to whether they will "go all the way" for $$$. AND…it's a relatively safe environment…much less likely to be the target of a sting or raid. And the women are at least somewhat screened in terms of at the least minimal employability. The downside is expense. It's $10 to get in the door, you're dropping about $20 in drinks, another $20 in stage tipping, and $45-$90 in lap dances…thats $140 before you ever go VIP. Now add another $145-$225 for sex…$25-$50 for a tip…you're out $nearly $400 for a fun evening.
Massage parlors vary…could run $285 for full on sex…plus a nice massage…or you could pay $125 and get a very bad massage and just an hj. Hit or miss.
Compare that to an escort that will give you a quickie for $80-$100. There's "mystery"…no entertainment…just in, out, over.
But the reason for the article was more for the fellas like myself…who have, do, will, may partake in those variety of services…does it concern you? Do you ever worry that you're contributing to "human trafficking"? Do you think there's a way to stop it? Do you agree with politicians that think going after Johns will be effective?
I've always looked at it as an exchange of services for money. I never force anyone. But there have been times I worry. I met a young escort once…she claimed to be 23. She sure didn't look 23!! She was clearly addicted to drugs. What was the story? Could I have done something to help? I don't know.
More than a few times…massage parlors…women that can't speak English…obviously someone is importing them from Vietnam or somewhere like that. Are they "trafficked" Was I contributing to the problem? Could I have done anything to help them? I don't know.
So I guess the article was just something to talk about…toss around. Thanks.
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11 years ago
I just find it odd that some men will look at a guy that does a stripper in the VIP area as a "conquest" yet if a guy bangs a gal in a massage parlor, a girl that can barely speak English and is obviously a sex trafficking victim…well, "that crosses the line."
My first escort, and only Outcall (where they come to you, (home, hotel)) was a girl that claimed she was 24. I don't think she was 24. I don't know if she was 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, or 20….but she didn't seem 24. And I've been to at least 2-4 massage parlors where it's fairly clear that these women are not just American citizens that have "decided" to sell their bodies. These women can't speak English (at all). They are sleeping on couches in a back room and the guy running the place goes back and taps them on the shoulder to wake them up.
I even had a very intimate relationship with a masseuse, I think she really liked me. But she couldn't speak a lick of English. I liked her so much, I sent her a long email and gave her a 1-800 number and pleaded with her that IF she was being trafficked…to please call that number or let me know so I could try and help. I never heard from her again. I don't know if the Pimp/Trafficker intercepted it or if she got it and couldn't read it or if she understood it but had "decided" to keep working the industry.
It's sad man. I hate it. I wish it was like Amsterdam and it was regulated. I wish actual TRAFFICKERS…could get the death penalty or some type of really cruel and unusual punishment for what they've done. But I don't think me deciding to never pay for sex again is going to cure the problem.
Fortunately, for monetary reasons, I've given up virtually all of those types of "services". I think in 2013 I only made it to the strip club 1-2 times, to the massage parlor a couple times, and never did the escort thing. Just don't have that kind of cash. I think I spent around $5000 last year on sex and I just can't afford that right now.
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11 years ago
Totally agree with #5. Nothing makes me wanna give a club a bad review more than sitting there drinking my $8 watered down beverage, waiting for hoes to come talk to me…and 5 of the 6 are in the back getting stoned and the only one on the floor is texting frantically trying to set up an OTC or update her escort page.
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11 years ago
I can't read all that. The answer is always "no". Strippers want drugs and money. The idea that any of them are Julia Roberts and want to someday find love or are working their way through college is on par with the land of Oz actually existing.
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11 years ago
"Well, the fact is......you must talk about something. You can't just grunt and smell each other's assholes like a pair of randy baboonsWell, the fact is......you must talk about something. You can't just grunt and smell each other's assholes like a pair of randy baboons."
Exactly. In a strippers world, you'd walk in, bow as you hand them $2000 cash...thank them for taking it so graciously, then promptly leave.
Conversations, however, can take a turn for the worse if customers ask these types of questions:
Is ______ your real name?
Dancer: No
Me thinking: "If you don't like that question, pick a stripper name like "Tits McGee" and then we know. If you're stripper name is "Ashley"...it's easy to get confused. Also...I ask this question most often when a gal has a weird name as sort of a "joke" as in I KNOW thats not her real name.
Do you have a boyfriend? You married?
Dancer: Boyfriend, Pimp, drug dealer...he's all those things. And if I was "married", I wouldn't being blowing 19 guys a night to make money.
Me thinking: She'll probably lie...but I guess "no" keeps the fantasy alive.
How old are you?
Never asked this...never cared.
What are you going to 'do' for me in VIP?
Dancer: I'm the best, it'll be the greatest experience you've ever had, well worth the money.
Me thinking: "If I'm spending $200 to go back there...it's an important question.
Where did/do you go to school?
Dancer: Chapman...studying criminal justice.
Me thinking: Nothing like spending your study time in a dark room with horrible rap music blaring wearing nothing but a g-string and tube top.
Do you have kids? What are their names and where do they go to school?
Dancer: I have 1 child.
I never asked the other 2 questions...probably the answers would be "Blade" and "I don't know where they go to school because my mother has custody.
Me: But I do ask, "who is watching him/her while you're here?"
Usually the answer is a mother or sister.
What's a girl like you doing in a place like this?
I asked this a lot early on...but then realized whatever they respond with...it was a lie so why ask.
Dancer: Just trying to pay the rent.
Me thinking: "Most likely due to a drug habit and a very non-existent relationship with their father.
How many dances/customers do you get a night?
Never asked that...never cared.
What time do you leave here?
I've never asked that, but I have asked to meet them or OTC later that night...never happened.
Dancer: In an hour.
Me thinking: "Probably when she makes enough money to pay her stage rental and have enough left over to pay the back rent, late bills, and money for pot and meth."
Do you know where I can get some (insert extra here)?
Never asked that...it's obviously in the VIP area.
Do you know where I can get some (insert drug name here)?
Again, why would I ask that?
And more...
Why do men, and some women, ask such crazy questions?
As stated above...wtf do you WANT us to ask you about? I mean, we can't ask you questions about current affairs or science or math or geography.
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11 years ago
He'd probably just turn into a peeping Tom or masturbate under a blanket at the beach. But I'm just guessing.
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11 years ago
Ilb...if police wanted to stop it; it's not that complicated. Its actually funny to see strippers/escorts try to pretend they're legal experts. On some sites...the escort will post a little picture stating that "by calling/meeting me, you are agreeing that you are not a police officer or law enforcement". Really? As if that actually works! If it did...drug dealers could just post that sign on their meth labs..."Police Not Allowed" and OF COURSE the police would have to honor it because I mean...its a posted sign isn't it?
Police can call up an escort...lay the money on the table...and when she starts to go down on him...put the cuffs on her. She is offering sex for money. Its that simple. There's no fancy "tricks" to keep you from getting busted. The reason it never goes to court is its just not worth the time. Arrest her, fine her $150, put her back on the street. She's not gonna fight it because she doesn't want to stay in jail and she'll only lose in court. The legal system doesn't want to make a huge case out of a non-violent low level felony/misdemeanor.
And I'm fine with that arrangement...just don't be harder on the "Johns" than you are on the hookers. The hookers get a slap on the wrist and a warning. The Johns get their cars impounded, are fined $300-$500, and end up on a sex offender registry...and still have to go before a judge and probably lose their wife and kids and job/livlihood. Meanwhile the cops know that hooker by name and see her posting her ads every single night like clockwork. Its silly.
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11 years ago
Not sure where I posted that Dougster, but I'll take your word for it.
As I said in the above thread...I'd prefer that all of it end...strippers, prostitutes, massage parlors, sex slaves, escorts...I definitely am not advocating sex for money.
What I was trying to point out above is..to pretend that "human trafficking" is this huge big problem and cry for the poor girls that get caught up in it...THEN...turn around and say, "well, if an escort wants to screw for money, thats her business." Thats a naive hypocrisy. The girls working in those massage parlots are often times sex slaves. The escorts and prostitutes are often times reporting back to a pimp and not just allowed to "decide not to do it anymore." And many of them and the strippers are addicted to drugs and essentially a "sex slave" to their drug habit.
Human trafficing "seems worse" because we romanticize the other things and tell ourselves that those women are "choosing" to sell their own bodies with no pressure from the outside...and thats just not true. A normal, well adjusted woman isn't going to sell herself like that. "something" is pushing her to that. Maybe not as subtle as a person actually shipping them across the ocean...but worse than you think. Is it "worse" to pay a girl's parents $200 then ship her to LA and cram her into a 4-bedroom apartment with 20 others...then make her work off her travel costs by screwing clients? Or is it just as bad to find a runaway teen on the streets, get her hooked on heroin and pot and meth...then arrange for her to screw clients and keeping the money she earns as payment for the drugs?
Theres no apples and oranges here...just different varieties of apples.
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11 years ago
It's just silly to me to see posters, etc... talk about how they don't want to be specific or give away any specific clubs because the cops might be on TUSCL trying to figure out which establishments are doing pay for play.
Ever heard of Craigslist? Backapage? The Yellow Pages? If I were a cop I could bust 10 prostitutes each evening...without so much as even trying. Go to ANY massage parlor after 7PM...ANY massage parlor after 7PM...bingo, theres a bust.
It's just so comical to hear strip club goers act like when they got laid at the club it was some unique experience that normally never happens...meanwhile, in Tijuana or Detroit...thats ALL that happens...24/7. Or dancers that pretend they're just a half step below "ballet dancers" and they're just selling their talent and interesting conversation...nothing more. Yeah right. Maybe thats all you're selling for $25...but for $250, $400...most of them will let you pull their hair while they bark like dogs and you drill them from behind while slapping their asses and calling them whores.
Lets not romantacize it.
The biggest "issue" I have with discovering pay for play is I can no longer go to the club and just spend $60-$80 then go home with blue balls. Even if I "intend" to go to a club for that purpose...after 3-5 dancers shake their perfectly shaved vaginas in your face...you just say "fuck it" and go to the VIP booth to bust a nut. And once you've decided thats what you want...to find out the girl actually "doesn't" play for pay...or has some crazy price...then you're disappointed, almost pissed off.
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11 years ago
Yeah...I think you could easily crush the prostitution game by coming out with a visual marker for Herpes rather than police action.
I used to frequent that lifestyle...massage parlors, escorts, strip clubs, orgy parties. But after a "herpes scare" (turned out to be nothing)...that was the end of it. Between the risk of incurable disease (even with a rubber) and the cost (money)...just whack it to some porn and call it an evening.
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11 years ago
JayJay....I'm glad that you've never pushed it to the level of escort/prostitute...thats a good thing.
But believe me...the difference between a prostitute and a victim of human trafficing is much, much less than you think. From what I've seen first hand...first hand...there's very little difference. Women are often "convinced" to be escorts..."convinced" to street walk... Some women "decide" to becuase they are down and out and either mentally ill or addicted to drugs...but generally there's a pimp of some kind behind all those escort ads...and he's "convincing" them to do it and "convincing" them not to quit...and getting paid for his interest.
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11 years ago
Just as a "disclaimer"...for those that may have read a previous article I posted similar to this one....I actually wrote this one because I thought the other one didn't get approved. Turns out I didn't check the "submit" button...and now they're both posted...
Just didn't want people to think I was "on a mission" or anything.
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11 years ago
When I'm not using the site to ramble on endlessly about vaginas....
I think it's best value to me has been when I'm in a new town on business or something. All I gotta do is click on the city and BAmm...all the clubs in that city pop up...I go through and pay special attention to 2 things...any mention of extras and the "value" rating. Try to find a club where there's decent mileage...maybe pick a back-up one in case the first one sucks royal (or you can't find it)...good to go!
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11 years ago
It was like a Jack Keroac novel...except better.
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11 years ago
THe best part about TJ...you get a room all to yourself, and pretty much all the beer you want...AND a super hot chick. No rush.
The BAD part of TJ...if you're not fucking her....and you don't know spanish...you're just kinda staring off into nowhere awkwardly.
Other BAD part of TJ....besides very real possibility of STDs and possibly getting murdered...having to wait 3 fucking hours in line with a bunch of semi-homeless people to get back across the border.
Screw it. I'll bay the extra $70 and bang an American stripper.
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11 years ago
Well of course the dancer is going to date you!! You have the lucrative and powerful job of putting CDs in a machine and turning the volume all the way up and then yelling, "CANDE to the stage!! Sexy Jessabelle to the music booth!!"
Surefire way to date a stripper...have CASH. Lots of CASH. If you have enough CASH...they eat cheetos out of your buttonhole and thank you for the opportunity.
Best Place to Meet a Girlfriend...you said "strip club"....SURVEY SAYS!!?? XXXXXnt
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11 years ago
If you're getting that much action...why is it remotely interesting to talk about it? Usually its only the SC virgins that are all crazy about getting laid at the club.
Yeah...its a brothel with loud music and the dancers are prostitutes...yawn.
Although....wtf did she do with that condom full of spooge? That's nasty. All I keep picturing is her in the dressing room with a turkey baster...ewwww.
Also...I like how afterwards he had bbq. I've never been to a club that serves food. Seems like all kinds of contradictions to buy my dinner at the same place men are jerking off on the floor. Can you catch AIDs from BBQ?
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12 years ago
Legalization won't solve everything. But it makes a field where if a woman is desperate enough to go that route...safER. Still not safe..you're dealing with drunk men twice you size violating you intimately. Its still a risky career choice. But legalizing it would:
1) escalate the clientel. Current clients are lawbreakers and sex addicts and morally challenged...only. legalizing brings in more mainstream clients that may still be "morally questionable"...but not as dangerous. Like strip clubs...you still get the creeps....but you also get the college kids and bachelor parties and old lonely guys.
2) Allow women the ability to easily report problems. Now a woman has to admit being a prostitute to report a crime. Legalizing it means she's just a woman with a job and can report problems.
3) protects men...making sure the women are disease free...allowing men to come forward when they are robbed or assaulted.
4) it allows law enforcement to focus on areas of real crime...kidnappings, sex slavery, violence, rapes, child exploitation.
Legalizing doesn't kills the roaches, but it turns the lights on and makes them scatter.
That's my take anyways.
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12 years ago
Well duomax...
1) I'm no more "pro-pedophile" than I am pro rape. I'm just saying that a lot of effort seems to be spent to "gotcha" guys...but if a meth addicted whore is blowing guys for $25 and spreading disease...its "sad" and she's a "victim of the streets". No she's not. She's a whore that has made bad life decisions and chooses to use her body to make money that she can then snort or sniff or inject. She's no more a "victim" because of her drug addiction than a john is a "victim" of his sex addiction.
2) "Illegal" immigration is a terible crime. It has led to an explosive prison population, fuels murders and the drug trade, and robs the country of resources. It undercuts supply and demand in the workforce and leads to a reduction of the middle class and expansion of poverty.
3) a brothel provides women for sex services and takes a cut for providing the physical location. A strip club meets that definition to a tee. The only difference between the Landing Strip and Hong Kong Gentlemans Club is it costs more north of the border. The house still takes a cut...the bouncers take a cut...and its the same penis with a condom going into a mouth and a vagina. The only difference is in Tijuana you can't talk much unless you speak Spanish...and in Detroit its more rushed and cramped. Same services...a whore is a whore regardless of language.
And finally...while I believe prostitution should be legal and regulated...all crimes have victims. There aren't "okay crimes" and "not okay crimes". Or at least there shouldn't be. Either prostitution is a crime or it isn't. Either we arrest both parties and punish accordingly, or we don't. My whole point was that its a joke...because it is so prevalent...yet people act all "scared" they might get busted. Police don't care about hookers or strippers or johns or even pimps. They pretend to care about sex traficing...and they care about sex with kids...but like the previous poster mentioned...cops are paying for sex too...
Of matter of fact...I talked to an escort once...asked her what the worst experience was ever with the profession. She told me it was when a cop showed up, called up 2 buddies, then proceeded to repeatedly rape and beat her..then steal her money. Cops generally believe they are above the law. Is that a "victimless crime"? What about the Johns that are mugged and assaulted by escorts and their pimps? "Victimless crime?" Or was it "their own fault"? Is it not also the escort's "own fault" for getting raped? My point is...these sexual encounters are all about crime. Drugs, assault, rape, sex slavery...all "part of the game". So its nowhere near "victimless". I saw massage parlors with asians just off the boat...being forced to have sex. I've seen girls so addicted to drugs they were shaking. Girls who nearly cried during sex because their vaginas were so sore.
These things aren't black and white; right or wrong. They are very grey areas
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12 years ago
Hey man...I call em as I see em. I've frequented Michigan and California. Sampled Indiana...sampled Illinois...sampled Colorado. Also frequented Ontario. And yes...it DOES differ. But as great as Detroit is...I've heard the same thing about Atlanta. Chicago you had to be more selective...and I've heard NYC is just overpriced nothing.
But from the clubs I've went to... the only difference is the price. $80 in Tijuana. $150 in Anaheim. $200 in Detroit. $400 in Vegas and most everywhere else. $1000-$4000...you write the rules anywhere.
When I first started out...I thought differently. I thought of it as an "artistic experience" and you practically sat on your hands while a gal danced an arms length away then smiled as you gave her your $20. But then...you start to touch...they don't mind...and you get the nerve to ask for more. And if you got the cash...even if that particular dancer won't play for pay...she'll point you to the dancers in the place that will.
Its just common sense. If a guy asks you to strip to your panties and he'll give ya $20...and you're okay with that...the next logical question is "what would ya do for $50?"
I agree with most folks here...legalize it, regulate it...let's stop pretending already! But where I get annoyed is the unfair treatment of "johns" versus the treatment of escorts/dancers/prostitutes as "victims". Victims!? Damn...where's the sympathy for us fellas that just dropped $400 at the club and got nothin to show for it other than a used condom and a need to make sure we have a blood test done to rule out any "potential issues".
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12 years ago
Allucard...you're not "getting it".
I'm not complaining...unless I start trying to bang 16 year olds....I have less chance of getting arrested for paying for sex than I have of getting arrested for tax discrepencies. That's the point...the police don't care.
My point is...if they don't care...then let's end the shirade. Let's stop the "act".
Allucard, I don't mind getting busted for solicitation if the other person gets the same penalty for prostitution. She chooses to suck me for $50...I choose to give it to her...we both are unfortunate enough to be doing it during a rare raid and get caught in the act....we both get fined $250, registered as sex offenders, and spend a night in jail. OR...the cops tell us both to get lost because they have more important things to worry about.
What ISN'T fair...is the guy in plastic zip ties getting his hearing date scheduled while the gal is a "victim". Of matter of fact...if peeing outside makes someone a sex offender...shouldn't every single stripper be a sex offender?
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12 years ago
Oops...double post. Damn my phone!
Steve Martin: "I damn thee!"
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12 years ago
I don't have a problem with it. I have a problem with paying for just the "idea" of it. And I have a problem that if I were to be busted...the gal would get a "talkin to" and id be in jail and a sex offender/sex trafficer.
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12 years ago
I don't have a problem with it. I have a problem with paying for just the "idea" of it. And I have a problem that if I were to be busted...the gal would get a "talkin to" and id be in jail and a sex offender/sex trafficer.
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12 years ago
Hey Shark...not to burst your image of South Carolina being virtuous...but go on backpage for South Carolina....sex for sale...pages and pages.
Do you think the cops are just clueless? Maybe they have a really horrible internet connection? Maybe Backpage is blocked by their servers?
So that mayor got busted, publically humiliated, and probably thrown out of office...yet a fat 39 year old woman is offering sex for $80 right now in Greenville...what are the odds the cops show up, bust her, and put her picture on channel 4? Yeah...about the same odds of me going to a strip club and not finding at least 2 strippers willing to blow me for $150. Not good odds.
I'm not hatin man...I used to be like you. I used to think the only guys gettingt laid at strip clubs were bouncers, DJs, club owners, and the occasional young guy with a 6-pack and charming personality...but it was so very rare...like seeing a cuckoo bird. Fast forward 10 years...if I want head and neither of the first 2 chicks I proposition "do that"...I'm offended and leave to go to a different club. What's the point? Sitting my a stage all night getting hustled for $10 drinks and $30 air dances while some drugged out ho is giving you the stink eye because you're not tipping her $5 bills for her elaborate stage routine which consisted of her taking her clothes off, laying on her back, and spreading her legs while she looked about as interested in you as she is in becoming a productive member of society?? Yeah! Sign me up! I love walking out of club down $250 with blue balls. That's a great investment. NOT!
But walking out semi buzzed, out $400 and knowing that I just blew my load in a tight 19 year old who if I met at a regular bar wouldn't give me the time of day...at least "sorta" worth it.