Comments by Leonard313

See, this is the problem with discussions and forums. I could read the title and tell you how this discussion would go. Stripper: Men that go to strip clubs are gross and do gross things. Men: Yeah, but most strippers are drug addicts and are too mentally scarred to care...so isn't this the pot calling the kettle black? Other Men: No! Strippers are generally awesome and so are SOME men (i.e. Me)...it's the REST of the men that are gross. Stripper: No! I agree with "Other Men"...some guys are good customers who come in, give me $10,000 for nothing but civil conversation and a smile and are perfect gentlemen. And only a few dancers I know are drug addicted psycho skanks...most are well adjusted gals going to med school to be brain surgeons and rocket scientists! Listen...you work in a place where your job is to get naked so lonely men will throw money at you like throwing food at an animal at a petting zoo. Then, you take them to a booth in a dingy basement...god only knows what that place looks like if you shine a black light anywhere within 200 feet of it...and you make up your name, stories about your life, you rub your naked body on them, and let them grab your intimate areas. You then prostitute yourself. When the guy crosses some random, gray, dotted, marginal, moving, floating, bipolar line...that you conveniently apply to some men (the unattractive ones)...you mock them as losers, scumbags, gross, weirdos, etc.. And yes, in this society of groupthink and bullying, you're sure to find at least 40% of any forum that will join in to attack. But is the dancer a victim? Is the customer "gross" for even being at the club? If not, when does he cross that line? - Is it "sad" to sit too close to the stage? Should he pretend he doesn't like naked women and go sit at the bar? - Is he "desperate" if he shows interest? Should he instead treat strippers like garbage...use reverse psychology? - Should he get lap dances? Or is that gross? I mean...God knows how many men have touched her and where her hands have been. - Is it less weird, or more, if he demands that she use hand sanitizer on her entire body prior to any lap dances? - Should men refuse contact? Air dances only? I mean, can't you appreciate women from a distance? - If the man does touch...are there creepy places to touch and non-creepy places to touch? - Is he only "gross" if he has sex with the stripper? Or only if it's bareback? Or only if it's vaginal bareback? Or only if he eats her out? Or if he tries to kiss her? - Or is all that sexual stuff fine and it only ever crosses the line if it gets into GFE territory and he starts wanting to know her real name and wanting a real relationship? See...there's all kinds of lines. And each dancer is going to have certain lines for certain customers. I've been with young dancers at a club in a college town where you had to sit on your hands and they danced in bikinis 4 feet away from you...no touching ever. And, I've been at a club where, when it came time for "the deed" she slipped it in with no condom and that was that. And yes, I have ate out 2-3 strippers. Were any of those decisions, "good decisions"? No. Not at all. Undisputeably bad decisions. But, thats how almost every night ends for almost every guy as he leaves a strip club. He walks out with far less money than he had when he walked in...and he has made a series of bad decisions that night. Some, worse than others. Strip clubs are even worse than casinos. At least at a casino you come home with MORE money once in awhile. At a strip club, it's always less money and you always more lonely than you did when you arrived.

I had gotten laid at a strip club in the local area...which I had naively thought never occurred up until then. So, when I went out to California for an interview, I was trying to find strip clubs near my interview/hotel and stumbled across the site.

I got turned away because I was wearing track pants. Or, as he called them, "athletic pants". I mean, they were dark black and cost more than a pair of jeans...but I guess they want to put in a rule to keep people from wearing "sweatpants" and not have to differentiate between one and the other. I get it. But really? Your parking lot is empty and most of the time it's so dark in the strip clubs nobody can tell if I'm wearing slacks to "athletic pants". But...it's their house, it's their rules. I can spend my money somewhere else. I've heard Landing Strip has the same rules.

The interesting thing was...to elaborate a little more: I wasn't planning on going there. I went to a nearby club, but that club only had one dancer working and it was a joke. So, I just thought I'd give this other place a try. I hadn't really read up on it or anything. It looked nice from the street, but thats hit or miss on what that means. They had mandatory valet...which is annoying, but they're not the only club that does that. I was just honestly hoping I wasn't going through all this nonsense only to find out there was only one chick dancing. So, when I got to the door and the security guard said I couldn't come in because I didn't have the proper pants on...I just didn't really care. Like I said, I kinda wanted to see what the place looked like and see how it comped to LS...but it was a holiday and probably not a fair night for a comparison anyways...so, oh well. It's really their loss. The parking lot was kinda empty for 9:00PM and I had $800 to burn. But, the interesting part is...when I was at the previous establishment...two guys came in dressed head to toe in NFL team apparel. They weren't players...just fans from out of town. This was Thanksgiving day and they guys were in town for the game. And, as I was driving away from FC, I thought, "I wonder if those guys tried to get into FC and got denied because of their fandom outfits that included "Zumba" weight-lifting style pants (like MC Hammer pants) in their NFL team colors?" I mean, they likely would have hit FC first since it's much easier to see from the street...so I'm betting the dress code cost FC quite a bit that night.

@twentyfive...thank you for snarky comment. Need at least one of those or the site just wouldn't be the site. "No", I don't know what "business attire" means because I didn't get in to see...nor did they elaborate in any way...nor is the term "business attire" very specific. I'm "assuming" it means "dress pants" (i.e. khaki's, slacks, suit pants, etc...) and then a non-athletic top...which could be anything...I'm assuming they'll allow t-shirts...but no tank tops. But, maybe not. Can you wear jeans? I don't know. The point is, you don't really know. Terms like "business attire" are often whatever the club feels like that means and they "reserve the right to refuse entry to anyone" so it doesn't really matter. My comment about "Brooks Brothers/black tie" was somewhat in jest. @shadowcat...thankful for being helpful. @Electroman...yes, it was Flight Club. I had never been there. I think when I went to Landing Strip they wouldn't let me where a hat. I assumed it was a "gang thing"...I mean I've seen that in a couple other clubs. It's actually a good policy because stripper love to take your hat and screw around with it and sometimes you don't get it back...so I don't have a problem with no hat policies. But other dress codes? I just have never really seen it. I "usually" wore certain pants when I went clubbing. They were a linen beach pant that seemed kinda casual/athletic but also a little dressy. Recently I started wearing track pants because they are black, you can wear a dress shirt and in a dark club they almost look like a pair of slacks. And these pants are softer material...not as rough if the ladies are grinding or what not. In California, some clubs I wore shorts. My buddy and I used to club in Ontario (Canada) and he wore basketball jerseys (essentially a tank top) and sweat pants. And no, THAT was not a good look. We needed a dress code for him. But now I'm nervous. I haven't been clubbing much lately. But is Landing Strip "business attire"? I've been there, but I don't recall what I wore. What about some of the other clubs I was going to try in the area that I haven't sampled yet (I think there might be a few left)? A lot of these sites don't have websites and the ones that do...don't list their dress code. Flight Club is the only one that mentions it (I looked when I got back) and it just says, "business attire".

I've only done OTC once...and it ran $450 for 3 hours. I'm not going to "poo poo" Subra's article...because OTC might very well be the way to go. I've been looking for that type of arrangement for a little bit...BUT...the problem is you have to put in the time at the SC to become a regular...THEN...find a girl you 'click' with who is willing. That process of becoming a regular and developing that relationship could run thousands...just to get your foot in the door. The advantage of escorts is you always get exactly what you think you're going to get. 'Maybe' she isn't as good looking as the pictures...and they generally aren't as good looking as strippers...BUT...in many areas, the ARE strippers. I know at least 3-4 girls from one club back in Cali that would post their pics at the end of their shift and go rent a hotel room for the night where they'd provide escort services to supplement their income. Massage Parlors...."usually" the talent isn't as good looking as the escort or stripper route...but not always! Especially if you have a thing for asians. Good luck finding an asian stripper outside of Cali. I actually kinda liked the AMPs. It added some "mystery" to the process. There were a handful of times I went in thinking I'd get laid...only to find out the gal didn't do more than a BJ or HJ. That was disappointing, but it was part of the mystery. And, the AMPs were definitely a cheaper option than fucking a stripper. Escorts...usually a little more cost than AMPs...but very close when you factor in the MP house fee. So, I'll agree that a good OTC arrangement might be the best option...I just think it's very costly to find that arrangement. I think too many mongers risk creeping a girl out by immediately asking them about OTC. I think it takes time to develop. I asked for it once...because I was drunk...and I just happened to name the right price and the gal just happened to be interested. I don't think that would happen the majority of times I tried it.

Echo what others have said. City of Industry in Cali is the only place I know has Asian talent. However, also echoing others, AMPs are EVERYWHERE in Cali. SJ, North Bay, South Bay, LA, OC....if you don't see a picture of a foot in the window and/or the MP is open past 7PM...you'll get slightly less expensive "extras" from talent that is 80%-85% asian (some latinos mixed in). The only "downside" is...you don't always know what they are willing to do or not willing to do until you're committed. You pay the house fee and 'hope' that this gal does more than just HJs.

I gotta think that kind of exchange happens a lot. Many, many years ago I went into an online forum (not tuscl) and changed my profile from "male" to "female". It was very eye opening to see the messages that females get. Almost immediately, I must have gotten 3-5 dudes: "How old you?" "Wassup baby! You sexy." "Age?" "Where u frm" Whats with creepy messaging guys and the inability to spell? Or is that just part of texting/messaging? I guess it doesn't matter...once I changed my profile back to "male", never got another message.

I thought this poll was just for strippers. Then I read the responses. I prefer lasered...as smooth as possible. Shaved or a landing strip is also fine. Full on 1970s style bush...not as interested. But see, I have this "tendency" to perform oral in VIP (to dancers)...which I probably shouldn't for safety reasons...but I just can't help myself. So, the better that area is maintained...the easier it is to "find things"...not to mention it gives me false security that she's clean. But, I had relations once (non-dancer/SC) with a gal that lasered and WOW was that amazing! Smoother than silk.

Jesus H Christ. I thought I was a big spender. I guess not. I don't usually go to clubs where extras aren't offered...but I occasionally might go to one where extras are questionable (whether offered or not) and there are times I've gone to an extras club and just didn't get any action thrown my way. I never ask the manager/bouncer/DJ to get a dancer for me for dances...I figure if they are interested they'll come to me. Answer to question: $100-$120 (if no extras)...probably as much as $450 before I knew any better. But, around here...not getting extras is not "normal"...so I fairly consistently spend $300-$400 per visit.

I agree with Warrior; depends on the amount. If I go back for a dance and the stripper does her thing and then claims it was actually 3 dances but I never told her to stop...then I'll give her $40 of the $60 and tell her it wasn't 3 songs. If she gets pissy and insistent about it, I'll give her the $20 and let the manager know. If the manager says, "oh well...it is what it is."...then I'll make it clear I've made my last visit to that club and leave. If it's a larger amount, like when a stripper asked me for $400 for a BJ and specifically and repeatedly said "no"...and she proceeded to provide the service and then expected the $400...I tried to barter with her and come to a sane resolution. I think I offered her $100 plus another $20-$40 for the lap dance(s). When that didn't work, she threatened to go to the manager and I immediately said, "okay". I then made my case to the manager and some kind of arrangement was made. I can't recall exactly what I paid, but it wasn't over $250...probably even less than that. Now, in clubs where they valet and hold your keys...thats more difficult. I'd be hesitant to risk a solicitation charge by calling the POPO...not to mention risking a potential DUI if I had been drinking...but I don't think I'd just pay it and leave. It's not just the money, it's the principle. If intoxicated, I might just pay it to get my keys back...then go sit in my car until I sobered up. If I was sober, I might threaten the police intervention.

I'm not in the "millionaire" realm...but I'm in a similar situation. I did a lot of P4P in Cali when I was semi-retired, living alone, and had about $100k of funds to live off while I was looking into other job opportunities. However, money doesn't last long in Cali. When I moved to Iowa, Backpage got destroyed and PFP wasn't really an option. Plus, my income took a -60% hit so I couldn't really afford it even if I could find it. I also put on another 20-25 pounds so standard dating became problematic. Now that I'm in Michigan with a new job, my income has more than doubled and I have some disposable income to play with. So, now what? A part of me thinks I should just dive into the online dating scene and try to drop 30-40 pounds to make it worthwhile. Another part of me thinks it'd be fun to sample some extras clubs and maybe find a "regular OTC" option. Honestly, if I had millions, I'd probably go the dating route vs. PFP. There's plenty of attractive women that would have sex with him for free (other than costs of dating) if he's bringing in that kind of dough. And, you can afford a personal trainer and top of the line exercise gear...so it's harder to use the excuse that "real women" wouldn't be interested.

Damn. I didn't even think to ask if I could do something like that. I don't even bring my phone in the club. To me, taping the VIP "experience" is like asking for anal. I can't say for sure she'd say no...but I ain't got the balls to ask.

"I know many that have earned $100,000 but don't take home a dime due to lifestyle choices." Agree with RD. I paid a stripper $450 for OTC once and the next day she texted me that she had went shopping and got her nails done and spent the rest of the day at the beach. I guarantee she blew the entire $450 in an afternoon. So, she was texting me to see if we could "hang out" again. "You have to factor in how expensive it is to be a stripper. " Stripper outfits, stripper boots, a couple wigs, and a box of condoms?

I just meant expecting a stripper to give you a point of service rebate...because you're too generous.... ...is like going to used car lot, offering the sticker price, and having the car dealer say, "Ya know, here's the $7,000 you coulda saved had you bartered with us." It just ain't gonna happen. If I REALLY want to get a dancer's attention, I might stage tip her a $20 bill. I'd be SHOCKED if she handed it back to me and said, "honey, you only need to stage tip $1."

It's almost impossible to guess an average...I'd guess $0-$400 on a weekday and probably $500-$1200 on a Friday/Saturday...depending on the shift. Many members don't realize the "house cuts" that take place. Especially if it's an extras club. The house isn't going to take on the risk of allowing sex in their club...essentially violating soliciting laws and risking their business and liquor license UNLESS they are making some of that money. So, if you're talking a non-extras environment...like a DeJaVu in a college town...with young, hot girls dancing and mainly younger guys with smaller bankrolls...I'd guess the girls can clear $200 weekdays and $600 on the weekend. If you're talking an extras environment...now it almost becomes a "how much do you WANT to make" question. These clubs you make virtually nothing on the stage...and lap dances are just an "open" to extras for most of the dancers...so you're not making much on lap dances. BUT, you're clearing a big share of $80-$400 each time you want to take dick. Now, how many times can a dancer take dick during a shift? I have no idea. Guys are usually one and done...but if I was a male stripper and could "recover" quickly...I'd be banging bitches 2 per hour. But female dancers...I dunno. Can you take dick twice per hour for 6 hours? The real question is...what are the "house takes"? I've been to clubs where the dancer is "in the hole" about $350 when she starts her shift. She needs to sell 10 drinks or she has to pay $10/drink not sold. She has to pay $50 per customer to go back in the VIP area. And she has a "stage rental" of $120-$250 that she has to cover...depending on the day/shift. So, back in Cali (SoCal), there were MANY times I went to a club during the week, there were 1-3 customers in the place, and most of the dancers essentially lost money that night. But, they had to work so many day shifts if they wanted to work Friday/Saturday where they could make decent money. And, to Nina's point, some dancers just don't care. I've seen MULTIPLE dancers sitting at tables with their pimps or boyfriends...and they would only go on stage and then right back to the boyfriend/pimp. This is not a good formula for making money in any strip club. Other girls, do the same type of thing with "regulars"...and they clear $400-$600 a night because their regular makes sure they are covered (i.e. pays their drink minimums, stage rental, and spends time in the VIP with them). The biggest issue for dancers is how to manage what they make. Some truly professional dancers...look at it as a legitimate career, make their money, pay their bills, don't do drugs or OTC stuff...and I bet they can make a decent living ($90,000/year). Granted, they have to pay $23,000 in taxes, $3500 for health insurance, and hopefully are putting at least $4,500/year away for retirement. So that drops the take home annual income to probably $59,000/year. Not a bad living in most areas. Not a great living in expensive areas. But, a tough way to earn $59,000/year. Now, if you're talking a more typical dancer/escort...drug problems, legal issues, etc...working in an extras club that takes their cuts? Most dancers I've met in these environments either are constantly broke or they have massive swings from clearing $1200/week to actually losing money. And, thats where OTC comes into play...so they can make money for bills/drugs/etc... I was just at a club two days ago and the hottest stripper there, with amazing personality, claimed she hadn't made any money during heady shift. Granted, it was a Wednesday day shift...but still. 'Could' she have made more? I think so. But, she seemed to like to just dance on the stage to her favorite songs and waste time hanging out behind the bar or disappear into the back. Also, given strippers tend to lie, she may have made $400 that shift and was just hustling me.

Amendment to review...I also spent $10 +$1 tip to buy a dancer a drink. So, I figure $366 total for the afternoon. @Casey I paid $250 at Landing Strip + tip for a dancer that looked very much like Ashley Tisdale. But, that was back in 2011. So, would that price still hold up 11 years later, with inflation, and the fact that I've added 40 pounds since then? I dunno. My first trip I paid $200 + tip for a cute dancer on the night shift. Was $300 high? I believe it was...which is why I bartered lower. However, if they start the negotiations at $300...you're either gonna pay $200-$250 or you might as well just pass. Asking for 1/3 the asking price would be insulting...IMO. Also, it wasn't Haily. I wish it was! I might not have as much buyer's remorse if it was Haily. I don't specify the dancer's names when talking about VIP activities and extras....which is why I referred to them as Dancer X and Dancer Y. @Pepsi So you get in for free but you don't tip the door attendant? And you don't tip the bracelet person? And you manage to milk 1 beer for X hours? Or do you just roll in, buy the drink minimum, and immediately bust a nut in the VIP and leave? I'm not being facetious, and thank you for your service, I'm just wondering. If I could get my bill down to $120...I could afford to make weekly visits rather than bi-weekly or monthly. @MrTibbs Ya know...I wondered the same thing. I was kinda hoping Hustler313 would chime in since she works there and can give the dancer perspective. But, yes, I was concerned that by just walking in and immediately buying the bracelet that: A) It would give off the vibe that I was just there for brothel services and give off a "creep" vibe. B) That dancers would see the bracelet and think I've already emptied the chamber (and wallet). @bman66 Again, good to know some other perspectives. I've never been to Flight Club...it's on my "to-do list". Landing Strip is my favorite, but it can get REALLY expensive and has the whole valet thing and I just decided to try some other clubs just to get some other perspectives and do some reviews. Given I didn't see either of the two dancers I wanted to see on day shift this visit, and given that Haily "claims" she isn't a regular dancer and therefore I'm not likely to see her there...I might abandon my search for an OTC option at Henry's and give Subi's a try next time. Thanks everyone for your input and perspective. I'm a "good tipper" and I can afford the higher price tag...but I also don't want to spend money I don't need to spend and I don't want to drive up prices for others.

A dancer telling me I gave her too much money. Oh yeah...all the time. Also, I named the pig that just flew out of my ass, "Melvin" and he can do algebra. And, as much as I HATE to agree with RickyD...I don't want my money back! That's insulting. If I give a dancer $100 and she hands it back to me and says "no thanks"...thats an insult. For a stripper to turn down money...you might as well find a cave and go live in it. A stripper will let you light her on fire if you pay enough. The only time I'd consider taking my money back is if she explained that I'd need it for medical costs because she just fucked me bareback and is pretty sure she has an STD. In that case, I'd probably offer her $50 of the $100 as a tip for being honest and keep the other $50. Now, have I experienced the opposite? Me: "Wait, I thought it was 3 songs for $60?" Her: "That was 3 songs. Do you want another 3 for $60?" Me: "Bitch...I may be ugly, but I can count to 3. Even the music I hear when I'm on hold (telephone)...the songs last more than 35 seconds."

I find that I like a variety. I may want to see anal sometimes, teen sometimes, rough sometimes, passionate lovemaking sometimes, even she males sometimes. Would I want to be stranded on a desert island with only one type of porn? No. But, I'd probably end up whacking off to it...because what else is there to do stranded on a desert island?

Sorry Pepsi! But remember... 1) I bargained DOWN to $250 from $300. and 2) It 'might' be that you're just that much better looking than me. Dancers might give you a "handsome discount". Like I said, one of the dancers wasn't even allowing much hand action during a lap dance...which was surprising for H8th. I don't know how you can do a visit for $120. Cover is $5 + $5 tip. The bracelet is $10 + $5 tip. A drink is $8-$12 + $2 tip. Thats $49 before you ever interact with the dancers. Stage tipping is another $1-$6...so now you're at let's say $53. And, ain't no dancer providing extras ITC for $67. I'd be embarrassed to even offer a dancer $67. But again...players set their own prices. If you got washboard abs and a handsome look...maybe a younger fella or a guy that aged well...they might give you "preferred pricing". But, not my old, fat ass. I was average looking when I was thin. Now it's just a disaster. A disaster that means I apparently gotta pay a premium.

How did I know Ricky was going to respond by calling the OP a bitch?? @OP Listen man, you need to understand the dynamics at play. Strip Clubs are the most expensive way to receive female attention. I've spent about $9,000/year on PFP in California. If I crunch the numbers, I'd have probably spent $9,000/year dating women and probably would have gotten more sex that way...all be it mostly by women that were much older and less attractive. Now, if you're overweight (you're not alone) and feel the usual dating avenue isn't going to meet your needs...and PFP is within your wheel-house morally...then you need to realize there are 4 options: 1) Strip Clubs. This is the most expensive option, but allows you to spend more time "hanging out" at the club, drinking, chatting with different girls, etc.. But, this is $300-$400 a night...probably more in SF. That will likely limit you to a couple visits a month. 2) Massage Parlors. This is usually your second most expensive option and limits you to primarily asian and latino entertainment. It's far cheaper than a strip club, but it has a few disadvantages. You're generally stuck with whichever girl you get...and services vary a great deal from one place to another and one girl to another. The nice part is you usually can get a "bad massage" prior to any extra services. You're not likely to get a massage by a stripper or escort. Granted, the better the massage, the more likely she isn't providing extra services. These places are common in California more so than any other State I've found. If it doesn't have the picture of a foot in the window and/or it's open late (past 7PM)...you're likely to get penis interaction. The bill? Generally $45 (nothing extra) to $220 depending on how hot she is and what you want in addition to the massage. 3) Escorts. A much harder find now that Craigslist and Backpage are gutted, but if you can find them and/or set up some OTC arrangement with a stripper...you're looking at $70-$270...but most of the time around $100 to $120. The advantage here is you're getting exactly what you want...no chance that an escort is going to say, "I don't provide extras." The downside is...you get about 30-45 minutes of fun time...because she has a whole line of dudes waiting for their turns. 4) Street Hookers. I've never went this route. I'm sure there's multiple places in the Bay Area where you can pick up a girl in a car and take her somewhere. This is generally your most dangerous option in terms of safety. It also isn't a huge savings because you're essentially paying less than you would for an escort, but adding on the cost of a motel if you're taking her to one. Otherwise, you're limited to what you can do in a car. If you only have $50 and are sure to wear a condom and bring some sanitizer with you...this is generally the only option available. Given your post, I'd suggest trying massage parlors and see if you like that route better. It's far cheaper, in most cases, than a strip club. The next best option is to try different strip clubs and see if you can set up OTC activities with a dancer you like. She then becomes essentially an escort and the cost goes down a little (depending again, on whether you need to pay for a hotel/motel. Are there frustrations in a strip club? Absolutely. Hustles on top of hustles. Once you go enough times, you become a bit jaded and less tolerant of the hustles. Whether it's hard selling shooters or pushing drink minimums for dancers onto customers or just really aggressive dancers that see you as a quick ticket to them making a profit that night. Once you get jaded enough by it, you don't feel as bad about holding your ground. But, it's a double edged sword. One minute you're going to be upset about too much pressure from a dancer, the next minute you're going to be pissed off that none of the dancers come near you.

I didn't identify it as a potentially fraudulent premise...until he said they both get tested prior to each meeting. That is absurd. You're what...going to your primary care physician 4-6x a month and asking for a complete STD panel?

City of Industry clubs, I've heard, are all the mileage you can afford. And, there's a lot of "asian talent" if thats what you're into. There's a couple clubs in Orange County, but thats a bit more of a drive and, in Cali, you want to drive as little as possible. I would disagree with MMJ on California Girls. It's a decent club to hang out...very laid back and casual...but I've never experienced extras being offered ITC. At least a couple of the dancers would routinely post escort ads to Backpage (back in the day)...but I went to that club multiple times and never got offered anything more than a decent lap dance grind and the ability to let my hand wander at will. Not trying to be argumentative, I just would hate for a person to drive all the way to Anaheim (from LA) and be disappointed. If you're gonna drive to Anaheim...Sahara and Flamingo are guaranteed high mileage and it's only a little further into OC than California Girls.

My only suggestion would be an area by area men seeking/dancer seeking type of thing for OTC possibilities. HOWEVER... 1) I'm going to rescind that suggestion on the grounds the site would probably get shut down by the mileage gestapo in D.C. 2) I'm kinda scared to offer a suggestion, given I only recently returned, and desert scrub seems to hate recent returnees offering suggestions.

Since the entire experience is a 'fantasy' (club goers, not dancers), I prefer girls I have no business dating IRL...so gals in the 18-28 range. However, I've had some very good experiences with older dancers because they are easier to talk to. Same lies and hustles...but without that "annoying young girl" personality issues. Older dancers also tend to know their way around penis...so thats a plus as well. But, I echo the other sentiments...regulations/laws will dictate what "too young" is and the market will dictate whether you're "too old".