What do YOU consider "good money" for a stripper to be making?
NinaBambina
Who the fuck is Ninabambina?
What do you guys think strippers actually average, per night? You can differentiate day vs night shift or weekend vs weekday if you want, but you don't have to --- a good old fashioned average will do.
What average earnings would impress you? What type of average would put a dancer into the rare/top earner category for you?
No need to answer all my questions, just give your two cents. I'm interested to see what people think.
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I will throw out some stats that I know are true:
I know of a stripper who worked in Vegas and made $55k-$60k a year only working 3 weekends a month. She was in the top tier in the looks department. Some weekends she'd clear $5k other weekends she wouldn't even cover her expenses.
I know another stripper in Vegas who made $20k in 3 weeks but was working 5 days a week. She was in the middle of the pack in the looks department.
As for other girls around the country it varies, I've heard girls hoping to clear $200 to $1,000 for the night.
I also Knew a girl working in Toronto making $100k - $125k a year who was in the top 10 in the looks department of the entire club. I never knew how many days she typically worked in a week.
I once got to know a dancer who danced in Cleveland and made around $40k a year working typically 4 days a week. She was probably in the top 10 of the hottest girls in the entire club, which was a large one at that. That's one that didn't add up, I thought she would make a significant amount of money annually considering how attractive she was and that she had a friendly personality.
There's this girl I know who works Dayshift Monday through Thursday. She has a bunch of regulars, and she is ALWAYS doing VIPs. I would probably say she averages 500 on a slow day, and close to 1,000 on a busier day.
For night shift on the weekends an average of 700 bucks a night would impress me. For night shift on weekdays an average of 400 bucks would impress me. For dayshift 300 bucks a shift would impress me.
If we go to the yearly totals, 100K a year for a stripper would impress me.
I really wonder about their schedule too, because one Tues. I'll see a favorite and next couple of Tuesdays she's not there.
To answer though, I think on a weekday (mon-thurs) the strippers I see probably make $100-$300 before club fees. On a weekend probably $200 - $500 before club fees.
Locally, $1000 per shift she's sucking dick.
I'd be impressed if a dancer cleared $150k a year...that's more than I make
Now I'm not saying that's every single shift, but on a Saturday there is X amount of money that I expect make. Sometimes I make more, sometimes I make less. Saturdays are usually good though.
I spent $395 and $440 gross on a dancer and each time she said she made her goal for the night, and was hanging it up. No idea what she made from others. I know on the $440 night she was only with me as she came in to work 2 - 2 1/2 hours late. And of course, GOAL =/= NIGHTLY AVERAGE.
I though that was kinda low, but I'm not a female dancer nor married to one so don't know what they typically make.
Lately though, the enforced contact levels by the club are WAY down now, with lower dance prices. PLs are stacking dances like they used to, and dance prices also dropped, so the dancers are complaining / venting that they aren't making the same money anymore. At least at the club I go to. I will likely end up following them to their new club, if the quality of dancers drops at this one.
Some would like to make more money selling HM/VHM dances, most want middle or low mileage and are happy to make what they used to make before low and air dancing was new norm. All of them want the 2007 Ohio strip club laws repealed. They have been having trouble since that and the recession with middle class and working class customers.
The other comment the dancers say is the custies who buy more than 1-2 dances we like me: white collar, white, technical or health care jobs, 30-45 yo. The older custies aren't spending because of health costs, and the blue collar customers still come in, but don't get dances beyond 1-2 anymore.
So I get lots of request now, or just general venting about needing "to make an extra $200 in three days" sort of SS out them. And it's from pretty much all of them. So I think many of them are struggling as dancers to make ends meet.
A good day would be 4 VIPs worth of dances (I am enough of a regular to know that, at least over the past few months, there are days where even that is not achievable). So, $400 gross, of which the club takes around $100, I'm guessing $30 in tip-outs (that seem reasonable?), and most of the girls can't afford to live in the city, so $25-ish for parking/gas/taxi/train. Net around $250/shift, unless she was not on the floor by 11:30 (at most, half the girls make it by 11:30 check-in), in which case, take out the $50 fine, to $200 net. There will definitely be days higher or lower than that, I've heard girls talk about leaving with under $100, but of course, heard girls talking about $600 or $700 days also. A few of the biggest money earners have a regular parade of well-managed regulars, I'm guessing those girls are doing far better than the average girls.
Alternatively, I know a stripper very well, who does night shifts in the highest-end clubs in Vegas, and she expects she'll usually pull down at least $1000/shift, and sometimes double or triple that.
Pretty big spread, from average dayshift girl in a slow dayshift city, to high-end nightshift girl in a city where nightshift is always hopping.
The girl that I mentioned that made $20k in 3 weeks is in a non extras club as well, but it has a ton of people coming in and out and she has good game. There's probably a girl standing next to her right now much more attractive making half as much money because she doesn't know how to talk to her customers and captivate them.
However, I think if a stripper averaged $500 per shift, working 5 shifts per week, and taking a 2 week vacation each year, that would be good money. That would work out to $125,000 per year. I would consider this very good money for a dancer who isn't doing extras.
The highest consistent earner that I've ever known without extras was the DS. She earned $800-1,000 on week nights, and more than that if I or her other whale was there. Weekend nights she usually cleared $1,500, occasionally $2K.
DS II used to make about $500-800 on weekend nights, $200 - 400 on week day evenings.
DS III is new but is making about $200-400 per night, mostly weekends. Video girl makes about the same amount.
I'm guessing that roughly half her income (~$45000/year) comes from the club and half from OTC activities.
Not sure if that's what is normally brought home - but that's my estimate of what's needed.
And we see this in the fictional hooker in "Leaving Las Vegas", and also in "Klute".
The money has a huge symbolic meaning for them. And the more you can see that they squander it, the more you know that the money is mostly symbolic.
Some girls in the local Sunnyvale no touching clubs have had to settle for $150 cleared per shift, and be happy with that.
We had some posts from Portland of dives where most of the custies come there for food and to hang out, and most just want free groping, and where even though the highest levels of mileage are being offered at very low prices, there is not much demand. So after all fees and expenses, the job is paying far less than minimum wage.
But I would say that the typical range is from around $50k per year for part timers, up to around $200k per year for the dedicated. And of course we know that most don't report their income and there are no payrole taxes. So as long as they don't get caught, they are doing quite well.
Usually AAMP girls try for $15k per month. That works out from 25 days on per month, 6 sessions per day, and their $100 cut of the $160 total fee for the hour.
But these girls are here for 6 months max and they don't know anyone, and the boss runs most of it. So to me they seem like mercenaries. Most women don't like to live this way for very long.
SJG
I used my own logic - thinking that a dancer should save as much as possible while she's in her peak earning years -
We have 3 different kind of clubs here though. Our favorite club (well, mrs sea's fave club) is the night time party club. The hottest girls work here on night shift but it is NO extras at all. There is just no way it can happen unless you can cum in under 2 minutes. All LD's are done in one room with open booths and the clip board guy walks by every song. I'm sure some do OTC. Day shift is all about the average girls working regulars and sitting spending time with them. Night shift is the hot party girls pushing dances and a dream. Mrs sea likes to keep the illusion but I know for a fact the hottest ones have homes, bf's and/or husbands and kids. At this place soon as the dance is over they get your cash and run to find the next victim to fleece. I can see the hot ones who hustle making the $2-3K/week
My fave club is the one with the actual private rooms. The dancers are nowhere near as hot but c'mon; private rooms with doors? How could this not be everyones favorite place? Prices are cheaper and based on our experience there I can easily see anything happening ITC. This is a slower paced atmosphere. Probably lucky to clear $500-1K/week
Then you've got all the rest of the clubs. Slow paced, average looking dancers who have to cultivate regulars and we're sure there's plenty of ITC/OTC to be had at these places but none have been couple friendly so far. Lucky to clear $400-500/week.
All of the above guesstimates are pre-OTC that may occur.
Like others have said though it comes down to the strippers who have game and actually work the room non-stop. The ones who just sit there on their phones or do the walk-by "wanna dance" to every single person aren't going to be raking in the dough.
now why do you bother to write 40,000 word essays that you know no one is going to read when your opening sentence is a bald faced lie. you have no experience with strippers and not even the most gullible person here could ever be convinced otherwise.
1. Taxes
Not sure if a lot of these earnings figures are pre-tax or after-tax. Makes quite a difference (if doing things right).
2. Health Insurance
Guessing dancers have to get this on the site. Most people with regular full-time jobs have this covered by their salary. One never knows when they might hit, but medical expenses can be very, very costly.
3. Retirement
Most people with regular jobs are going to have some sort of employer matching/double matching on their 401K or retirement. Have to think about life in your 60s and beyond.
4. Stripper life
By this I mean at what point does even the hottest stripper start to lose it in terms of their looks, which correlates to their earning potential? Early 30's? That's great, but there is a lot of years to life beyond 30.
If one doesn't pay for things like healthcare and retirement with their jobs, I supposed they are "keeping" more than someone who is those things. Not sure that is necessarily a good thing if one really thinks about it. Just pointing out a lot of variables to consider.
I think most are averaging less than $150 per night after tip out 5 nights per week in non extras clubs that is why there is such turn over.
I think the higher numbers are reserved for the high end clubs and extras clubs.
The girls that make money are not the ones that sit at the bar and text they are the ones that chat up the customers and get dances purchased etc.
I know everyone brags about $30 bjs but those are in the lowest end clubs and are unusual.(beside who wants one from 'that' girl.
@OP: The only real numbers I can reference is xATF told me she would need $700 a week at a different job to be work leaving stripping. That's only ~$36k/yr.
Those are my (wild if I'm wrong, educated if I'm right) guesses. As a parting shot, I'd say a weekend cherry picker who works 30 weekends/yr. (Fri and Sat. night only) and makes over 6 figures after tipouts is doing pretty damn good for herself.
My market sucks for dancers. The lack of nude lap dances and proximity to Tijuana keeps prices in check.
One dancer I ran into a few years ago was the hottest girl on the day shift at her club. She told me she was in college, and her discussion led me to believe she was in fact enrolled at the local university. She said her daily goal was $400 after tip out. Not sure how many shifts she worked each week, but at four a week every month that adds up. And as most likely do, I doubt she was paying taxes on all of it. Or any of it.
Dancers who live with an earning boy friend or with parents/family - about $1500 a month working 3 day shits a week. These dancers are young 18-22. They like to dress up, get naked, like to drink, smoke and party - so really don't mind the supplemental shopping income coming from partying all day. They go out on parties with young customers, bikers - and post pics on facebook the next day. Young and carefree.
A dancer in NY - showed me her bank statement. Consistent weekly deposits of $4K to $6K. I got a hard on just scrolling her account. She said she was the top earner. That kind of income is unheard of in the warm southern states with millions of beautiful women.
Rich, entrepreneurial dancers turn me on. But normally I don't rock their boat. So nothing happens. But that's life!
1. Not sure everyone above was taking into account house fees, tip-outs, and penalty fees...
2. I'm doubtful the girls pay much taxes, so if they can pull off $75k/year (say), it might be like the equivalent of a regular person making $100k or more
and it's not just dancers cheating on taxes. I know a number of independent contractors (computer programmers, general contractors/construction) who also pay little or no taxes too keep more $$ for themselves or their families.
A girl I used to be friends with back when I worked at the 8 mile clubs would often lose money when we worked at 8 mile clubs. I didn't understand how it was possible for her to make so little. But she was very off-putting and needed work in the looks department and had no sex appeal so maybe that's why. Now on some nights at these 8 mile clubs I would only make $500 or so, and she would make like (literally) $8 or so. And that's all while owing the house and the DJ. Neither of us were extras girls and it was sometimes difficult to make money but Wtf? Why strip when you are making $8?
My best Saturday night I made almost $600 AFTER giving over 300 back to the club in fees. I was quite happy- though I'm told for my area & appearance, this shouldn't be a rare amount.... I don't do extras. Maybe that's why. Sigh.
Ass and titties, ass and titties, bitches N hoes!
There is one dancer I know who works 8+ hours a day, seemingly 7 days a week, never stops working the floor, and has a long list of regulars who know she delivers in VIP. Incidentally, she is from a third world country and will be in the top 1% if she returns home.
There are other dancers who pop in 1 or 2 days a week for a few hours to supplement their income from other jobs.
There are dancers all along that spectrum.
I expect the weekly income ranges from $300 to $7,000 depending on where they are on the spectrum.
Plus, she'd use any excuse in the book as a reason to not to go work, so it wasn't always a lack of customers that explained not making enough.
But a smart girl picks her best nights at different clubs.
It's too unstable now. I know girls with $3000 nights then barely making anything the next 4 weeks. Or owing money some nights then making a bag on the weekend.
She was there every day, seven days per week. Friday and Saturday nites she would do double shifts.
I would guess easily 80 hours per week
That's impressive enough to me considering she just turned 22 a couple months ago. On another note,
SJG
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Whats that mean?
3 Tiers of earners (locally) and my "guestimate" puts it at averages of $60K, $100K, & $160K. Taxable income "guestimate" $20K, $40K, & $80K!
My CF is dayshift and told me she tries to make at least $200 each afternoon/evening, but on bad days is lucky to break $100.
So, if she works 4 days a week, around $40K per year.
Many members don't realize the "house cuts" that take place. Especially if it's an extras club. The house isn't going to take on the risk of allowing sex in their club...essentially violating soliciting laws and risking their business and liquor license UNLESS they are making some of that money.
So, if you're talking a non-extras environment...like a DeJaVu in a college town...with young, hot girls dancing and mainly younger guys with smaller bankrolls...I'd guess the girls can clear $200 weekdays and $600 on the weekend.
If you're talking an extras environment...now it almost becomes a "how much do you WANT to make" question. These clubs you make virtually nothing on the stage...and lap dances are just an "open" to extras for most of the dancers...so you're not making much on lap dances. BUT, you're clearing a big share of $80-$400 each time you want to take dick. Now, how many times can a dancer take dick during a shift? I have no idea. Guys are usually one and done...but if I was a male stripper and could "recover" quickly...I'd be banging bitches 2 per hour. But female dancers...I dunno. Can you take dick twice per hour for 6 hours?
The real question is...what are the "house takes"? I've been to clubs where the dancer is "in the hole" about $350 when she starts her shift. She needs to sell 10 drinks or she has to pay $10/drink not sold. She has to pay $50 per customer to go back in the VIP area. And she has a "stage rental" of $120-$250 that she has to cover...depending on the day/shift. So, back in Cali (SoCal), there were MANY times I went to a club during the week, there were 1-3 customers in the place, and most of the dancers essentially lost money that night. But, they had to work so many day shifts if they wanted to work Friday/Saturday where they could make decent money.
And, to Nina's point, some dancers just don't care. I've seen MULTIPLE dancers sitting at tables with their pimps or boyfriends...and they would only go on stage and then right back to the boyfriend/pimp. This is not a good formula for making money in any strip club. Other girls, do the same type of thing with "regulars"...and they clear $400-$600 a night because their regular makes sure they are covered (i.e. pays their drink minimums, stage rental, and spends time in the VIP with them).
The biggest issue for dancers is how to manage what they make. Some truly professional dancers...look at it as a legitimate career, make their money, pay their bills, don't do drugs or OTC stuff...and I bet they can make a decent living ($90,000/year). Granted, they have to pay $23,000 in taxes, $3500 for health insurance, and hopefully are putting at least $4,500/year away for retirement. So that drops the take home annual income to probably $59,000/year. Not a bad living in most areas. Not a great living in expensive areas. But, a tough way to earn $59,000/year.
Now, if you're talking a more typical dancer/escort...drug problems, legal issues, etc...working in an extras club that takes their cuts? Most dancers I've met in these environments either are constantly broke or they have massive swings from clearing $1200/week to actually losing money. And, thats where OTC comes into play...so they can make money for bills/drugs/etc...
I was just at a club two days ago and the hottest stripper there, with amazing personality, claimed she hadn't made any money during heady shift. Granted, it was a Wednesday day shift...but still. 'Could' she have made more? I think so. But, she seemed to like to just dance on the stage to her favorite songs and waste time hanging out behind the bar or disappear into the back. Also, given strippers tend to lie, she may have made $400 that shift and was just hustling me.
This 100%. In fact some of my all time favorite OTC girls fell in this category. Fast money spends fast. Some of these girls have a lot of obligations, like kids, BAF SOs, parents to support, etc. They may make great money on the weekends and during big events, but it's gone a few days later.
OTC with these girls was often about them bridging the gap until the next big payday. In a couple of cases literally with girls who also had vanilla day jobs but ran out of money just a few days shy of payday.
The makeup hair nails outfits etc cost s lot over the year. Factor in bills. It's not as lucrative as you think
Agree with RD. I paid a stripper $450 for OTC once and the next day she texted me that she had went shopping and got her nails done and spent the rest of the day at the beach. I guarantee she blew the entire $450 in an afternoon. So, she was texting me to see if we could "hang out" again.
"You have to factor in how expensive it is to be a stripper. "
Stripper outfits, stripper boots, a couple wigs, and a box of condoms?
Isnt that basically a cycle then, customers pay the stripper for pussy, she pays her SO for dick
In the case of strippers it's either a boyfriend pimp or hoe hustler a lot of times.
Guys on here always talk shit about stripper boyfriends. But forget that if what they said was true. The girls still prefer those guys and they're stuck paying
Whats that mean?"
Sirachabob: DS = Dream Stripper! per JohnSmith69 and the wayback TUSCL
Sirachabob I can't see my dm. I went over the limit today. Its easy to support someone you love and have a bond with. That has nothing to do with a girl being a stripper.
Most strippers aren't hoes. And even if they are. A relationship is about trust. And emotional monogamy understanding boundaries. I don't think it's a big deal
Ain’t no damn way any decent woman stripper or not could ever find you attractive.
SJG