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19 years ago
JC, as a dancer and nurse I know that a lot of dancers drink alcohol before or during their shifts to enjoy or deal with the customers better. Soma, a muscle relaxant, is probably the most common drug used at the clubs I work at. It has an effect like alcohol w/o the ETOH (alcohol) breath, but it's easy to OD on. Weed is also common and cocaine and meth are regularly used by some dancers. Your gut (intuition) is warning you not to get involved with this dancer, pay attention. -T
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18 years ago
I don't think that there's a problem with sharing money or spending it on your friends. I'm glad that you are happy with your relationship.
Everyone is weird about money. I don't need a fancy car or fancy furniture, but I value living in a safe neighborhood. I could work in the club a lot more, but my child needs my time, more than I need the $$$ now. I spend a lot of money to go to a fancy gym and like it there because the high dues keeps the 'riff-raff' out. Vacations are something that I spend a lot of money on because I love to be entertained and experience different cities, countries and cultures.
My dad complains whenever he hears about a vacation, he thinks that I waste money and then I explain that he goes to the bar and spends his money there and on smoking. We all spend our money differently and this is one of are freedoms and pleasures. Glad that you're happy, FONDL.
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18 years ago
I'm not sure about hauntings in any club. I do "energy work" in my massage business, so I'm really tuned into other people's energy and club energy. I can usually tell which guys to stay away from because they seem angry or preoccupied, but this is probably nothing more than reading their body language. Some people have a really dark feel about them and after talking with them I feel drained. Some people seem so content and pleasant that just talking with them or doing a couple of dances makes my day.
Some clubs have an energy of sadness or jealousy (especially in the dressing rooms). Sometimes almost every guy in the club seems like he's in a strange mood - almost as if there's a full moon. The energy of one person often transfers to others. It's good to be sensitive to this because I can feel the sexuality of others and this is fun while doing couch dances.
I was doing a 4 or 5 song couch dance for a friend who teaches yoga, is a vegetarian, & is very healthy and intuitive. I got this idea during my second song that I wanted to project sexual energy and heat. We didn't talk during the dance but afterwards he said, "that was really cool, that tantric dancing that you were doing". I was surprised but also impressed that he could feel what I was doing. The intensity of the tantric dancing was more pleasurable than direct grinding or masturbation. It was like being right on the edge of coming, but not. -T
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18 years ago
More honeys with honey than da vinegars.
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18 years ago
I like this thread! A lot of the guys in the club use these pills for enhanced pleasure. After a dance with one guy he said, "I took Viagra, now I'm going to endure a terrible headache, but you're worth it". Viagra gives lots of users headaches. One guy told me that it makes his lips kind of numb and tingly too. One guy told me that it made his cock so hard that he was afraid that he's get stretch marks!
I've known men who've used all sorts of things for enhanced pleasure. One guy used to give himself an injection in a vein at the base of his penis (worked every time or so he said and w/o a headache). I once saw a guy use a pump and apply a really thick cock ring to his purplish member; I was concerned that the contraption might hurt him.
In the television show, "Sex in the City" Samantha develops an addiction to Viagra. It's supposed to enhance woman's pleasure too. I have a sample and should try it sometime. Hope that I don't get a headache.
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18 years ago
Thank you, Shadowcat. It feels good to let off steam sometimes. When's the roadtrip?
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18 years ago
Yours, catman.
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18 years ago
I read Dracula last year. It was so sensual. The characters written letters to one another were so thoughtful and loving. I saw Gypsy Kings perform at The Joint in the Hard Rock Casino. What a great show! There's more than a dozen guitar players and the're all smiling throughout the show, genuinely enjoying entertaining the crowd. A lot of them look related like uncles, nephews and brothers.
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19 years ago
Jpac, I hope that other people's insights have helped you put things in perspective. I've danced in a few clubs part time throughout the past 6 years. In the beginning it was so much fun, like a vacation from reality. After the first year it was still fun, but the shine had 'worn off'. Now, I go to the club when I know that a regular will come in to spend time with me or I really NEED the $$$. If you take a break from the clubs, you'll probably enjoy yourself more when you decide to return. -T
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19 years ago
Reese Witherspoon was beautifully cast as Johnny Cash's wife in the recently released movie.
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19 years ago
Visiting a SC isn't pathetic, it's fun! That why we we're sharing our experiences, right? Why lash out at others for having a different viewpoint? "Hints and Help from Heloise" gives advice on how to remove lipstick . . "work on the back of the fabric with dry cleaning solvent. You'll have to keep applying it and keep changing the paper towels, underneath too. Finally dampen the stain and rub some liquid laundry detergent on it and machine wash."
I prefer working the day shift because they are less smokers. In California there is no smoking allowed in bars, but the dressing rooms are full of smoke. I come to work with my make-up on and hair ready to go. I hit the floor within a couple minutes of arrival and avoid the smokey, body spray dressing room like the plague. My hand-made dance bag gets the worst of it. I place it in my trunk on the way home from work and then in the garage to avoid making my home and car smell like the dressing room. I like clean men with a bit of cologne. Cleanliness is a huge turn on. I wear perfume, Amariage by Givenchy, but just a bit under my hair on the back of my neck so it doesn't transfer to the men I dance for.-T
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19 years ago
It's true that a lower contact club can be more of a money-making place and even be more fun. I've had the experience of going to work at a higher mileage place and some of the girls are just "giving it away". Some guys have actually unzipped their pants and pulled it out on the first song, guys I don't even know. So now I have a mental list of guys I will and won't dance for. The low mileage place is looking better all the time. There's a line - you can go further with some people than with others, but not everything with a stranger when the club's getting almost 40% of your money. Exposing yourself in a club with the infrared camera recording everything is risky (I'm talking about you guys). Poor Pee-Wee Herman, I don't even think that he got off.
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19 years ago
FONDL, I stayed in Japantown in San Francisco a few years ago with a boyfriend. The have a community bathing area (this sounds bad but isn't like a 'bath house'). There are set days for women and other days for men. A women soaks your body in a hot tub of water, scrubs your body vigorously, then massages you. I don't think that the women are nude though. When you're not getting scrubbed and rubbed you can relax in the big community pool.
If you ever get the chance to experience 'Watsu', do it! Shiatsu is accupressure and watsu is shiatsu done in a body temperature, chlorine-free pool. I've been a massage therapist since 1994 and this is my favorite body work to receive. It's almost an 'out of the body experience' because the practitioner stretches your almost weighless arms and legs around in the pool and with the water being body temperature you lose proprioception of what you body is doing and you float mindlessly with your eyes closed. When I come out of a session it feels as though I'm walking 10 feet above the ground and I'm completely relaxed.-T
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19 years ago
Happy New Year, everyone. Thanks guys for responding to my question. I'm not annoyed with davids; just confused by the responses he gives. Sometimes he's going with the flow and adding new insight, then he seems to go off on an angy tangent. I'm fairly new to this board and was trying to better understand communication on this site.
davids, I think that cg was just joking. He thought of some humorous, benign explanation; it wasn't personal.
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19 years ago
Why would davids get upset when casualguy was commenting on whack jobs sexual frequency? The guy that writes in capital letters is the annoying one. "d" is just the one that comes to his rescue or supports his ideas (or are they two personalities in a single person?).
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18 years ago
Saturday, I read each posting on the subject of the SC trip. I was really entertained, many of you know each other's preferences so well. It was really heart warming to read your exchanges. Count me out though, as I'm a stripper in San Diego, CA.-T
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18 years ago
FONDL, I'm only nude while giving a massage if the patron is a "boyfriend". Now, being a single woman, I'm allowed to have more than one boyfriend. I make more money in the club, but plan to transition out and concentrate on massage, holistic therapies including aromatherapy and herbal remedies. I'll also be working as a nurse after I complete my education this Spring. I'd like to find or create a job combining my eastern and western medicine.
I think it would be great to have a retreat house where I could bathe people, massage them, hug and love them without getting into trouble with the law. -T
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18 years ago
I bought an iPOD for my only child for Christmas. Tonight a friend gave me a video iPOD, I'm looking forward to filling it and learning how to work it.
I like dancing to older rock by artists like Led Zep, Rolling Stones, Sheryl Crow, Stevie Ray Vaughn or some r & b. I like a few of the songs from Queen Latifa's album she released last year where she covers Nat King Cole or someone like that. Dancing to the song "Europa" by Santana almost makes me cum on stage so I have to be careful! I like to only hear a song just once during a shift so there are few top forty songs that I like to dance to. I like songs that get the guys going; that bring them back in time to pleasant memories. I watch them from the stage as their eyes get shiney and they smile easily while enjoying the music and hopefully my dancing.
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18 years ago
A number of years ago Tom Snyder interviewed Charlie Sheen (the guy whose on the tv show, "2 1/2 men"). Tom Snyder said, "Charlie, your an attractive young guy, why do you pay women to have sex with you?" Charlie replied something to the effect . . . I don't pay for the sex, I pay them to go home. In other words, he wants to have his fun and get exactly what he wants and then have no further commitment or complication like having to call the girl the next day. I think that Charlie also said, "Why settle for hamburger when you can have prime rib."
It can be less expensive financially and is definitely easier on a man to "pay for his entertainment, then get on with his life". Being the friend of a dancer or seeing her outside of the club with that attitude of, 'I'll get what I can for free and use you will not work' with a smart dancer.
Dancer's typically have hectic ever-changing lives and appreciate a good friend outside of the club, but wouldn't have the 'time of day' for a guy with a bad 'tude who trashers dancers behind their backs on this site.-T
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18 years ago
Davids, do you go out with dancers? Why not find the good in the dancers that you like and spend time with those that you like? You sound way too young to be getting bitter and resentful. You are smart, communicate well and have some great ideas. Why does it bother you that some men enjoy spending time and money on pretty dancers in the club?
My father is 61 and and his wife, 18 years younger is extremely depressed and unwilling to get help. She lays on the couch and only gets up to bathe, use the bathroom and occasionally eat something. My dad started going to a neighborhood bar to get out of the house and enjoy himself. I've been with him a few times. He has a crush on a former stripper (now a bartender) at this bar. His visits to the bar to socialize with the patrons and flirt with the barmaid make him happy. At first I was concerned because he has a major crush on this lady, but he's lost 15 pounds and is happier now then before going to the bar. People should be able to indulge in their favorite form of entertainment without being criticized, as long as they pay their bills and their hobby doesn't hurt anyone. Am I wrong? -T
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18 years ago
D, it surprises me that dancers talk about their favorites in a disparaging manner. When people start complaining about others or backstabbing other dancers, it takes the fun out of the experience. It isn't my experience that guys who rarely get dances get more attention from the girls, I'll take you at your word though. If a guy generally gets only 4 LDs you get to know that that's his limit and that you may get 4 with him or he may choose to get dances from someone else.
D., what confuses me is your verbal attacks of the regulars on this board. If your method works for you, great! Everyone has their own approach. Why not 'live and let live' and enjoy what you consider to be your superior approach and experience w/o trying to change or insult others who are different from you? Perhaps you are a very attractive, communicative guy (possibly "big in the pants, too") that has a way with the ladies. If your experience is so wonderful, why are you complaining or getting involved in listening to dancers who are unhappy? You know in Psychology the adjectives we use to describe others and the labels i.e. "pathetic losers" or "assholes" are often labels we fear may apply to us. "He doth protest too much?"-T
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18 years ago
FONDL, I may have led you on a little when I told you that I massage my boyfriend(s) nude, this is true - but rare. The licensing in California is so strict and I've got another couple of licenses to protect, which means that I can't afford to get in any trouble. The first year I went to renew my Massage License a vice cop asked me; "have you ever done in prostitution in your massage business". I truthfully answered "no" and thought I better keep it clean because I never want to be put in this position again and have to lie. Once I massaged a guy from the club and he insisted on extras, which I didn't provide; I told him to come to the club and he'd get more there. I understand that Holistic Health Practitioners are not licensed through the vice department. The Korean girls working as prostitutes probably don't have much to lose.
Chitown, did the kid caught urinating in public have his conviction reduced to littering or impersonating a dog? -T
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18 years ago
Has anyone every seen a live donkey show? I don't watch porn and I'm not talking about anything other than a live show.
My former mother-in-law from France told me that she saw a woman and a dog. It was a fancy club and couples dressed up to go out as if they were going to a Broadway Show.
No, this stuff doesn't turn me on; it just makes me curious to know if the weird stuff I've heard about has actually been witnessed in a club?
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18 years ago
FONDL, each county in California has different requirements regarding the number of hours required to get licensed and each county also independantly makes it's own regulations. In San Diego Country a licensed massage therapist must be fully clothed.
I know several massage therapists and we do trades with one another, all of these friends are very sensual people. When I was just getting my training, one lady taught me how to massage women's breasts and she has natural beautiful, large mother earth breasts. She also wanted me to do Reiki which I had never done before. She had me run my hands slowly down her body about 2 to 3 inches above the skin's surface, when I got to her hips my hands were "buzzing and felt hot" - I told her what I felt and she said, "right on, I have chronic hip trouble - you don't need any further training you have it!"
Many massage therapists will massage in the nude, I will for friends because I'm a nudist and as long as it doesn't interfere with giving a good therapeutic massage I'm more comfortable, but then I'm not charging them a set fee (if I find a tip later, so be it). MTs have to be very careful, though. Having a friendship with someone does change the relationship and allow the rules to bend to be more inclusive. My massages are really therapeutic though and I don't want to be thinking about sex; I want to give the client really good body work.
Sometimes I think, I could have sex with you mister but let's not involve my massage table 'cause I have to answer to the vice cops. -T
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18 years ago
F, get a referral from a friend or get to know a massage therapist and develop a friendship.
I was working at Cheetahs when it got raided by the FBI. All of the customers had to pull out their wallets, put there hands in plain view and were ordered not to use their cell phones. This was a big time raid because it was conducted by Federal Officials, as opposed to local vice cops. None of the patrons were isssued a citation but the cops did take information from their driver's licenses and work information, as well. Pretty intimidating. The dancers are the ones who get ticketed or given a warning in the club, the guys never do, but sometimes the manager gets a citation as well. Soliticing a prostitute is a completely different story though, the guy will prabably get arrested.