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6 years ago
Face 6.5 Body 9.5 is a yes, normally. But personality 2, including asking for a tip right away, turns that into a no-brainer no
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6 years ago
While I haven't tested the waters in the past few years, in general strippers in SF ****hate**** "the internet guys". Mentioning that you're on a customer-oriented SC discussion group might not affect your experience, but there were definitely a subset of girls where it might. With the collapse of redbook 5 years ago, where all the really objectionable discussion happened (there was a forum culture of detailed reviews), I have no idea whether or not any of the current girls (who likely weren't around then) still have such objections
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6 years ago
-->"There's something about SA that feels a little bit off to me. It feels like dating. I know that's not the intention, but that's how it feels. "
Maybe it's just not for you. On the other hand, maybe just a little change in perspective is needed. Even with my age-inappropriate girls, it certainly doesn't feel like "real" dating to me -- that said, I am simultaneously really-dating age-appropriate women, so the contrast is pretty clear for me.
I have no idea, really, to what extent the girls are or are not in denial about prostitution... I do know that to whatever extent that they realize it, they struggle with it, which is why you see some of the affects of dating, the empahsis on things not "feeling transactional", etc. Whether they're in denial or not, I do understand why a 21-year-old attractive college student might need some coping mechanisms to deal with having sex for money with a middle-aged man. For me, it's like bicycles and scooters -- both have 2 wheels and help you get around, but they don't feel them same; and an arrangement definitely doesn't feel like dating to me, although both differ from escorts and so have that in common
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6 years ago
-->" I can't escape the feeling I'm being rinsed"
You drive 4 hours to see her round trip, for 2 hour dates, you've spent $1200 on her for no sexual benefits. I think your vague feeling about being rinsed might be on to something :)
So, obviously enough you realize it more as you typed it, but there's a lot of serious mistakes there. Number one, driving 4 hours roundtrip. I actually have had nice times with women who live 2 hours away -- but there's a hard requirement that we meet in a city halfway (which is always San Francisco) at the beginning of the arrangement. I'm not driving 2 hours one way until we're spending weekends together, to make the commute time worth it Alas, many SA girls are not mobile, so that's a non-starter. Number two, paying allowance and/or shopping etc., before there's intimacy. No matter what the most manipulative, stripperweb-like women say, an arrangement is supposed to benefit both of you. Another hard pass for me, with no exceptions, is paying allowance (or allowance replacements, like shopping) before there's intimacy. That extends to the first non-intimacy meet-and-greet as well, where at most I might offer to pay for her gas/parking/uber. Number three, "I really care for her", enough said. You made some other insane mistakes as well -- paying her before intimacy?? Crazy ... maybe time to take stock of your processes here?
I wouldn't be terribly worried about what you read on sugar forums ... many guys there (for that matter, many guys on tuscl) seem to use the sugar world as an alternative place to find an escort. Which is fine ... but if you're after a classic-style arrangement, you will be kissing some frogs. But you do need to really REALLY think about your priorities
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6 years ago
-->"And lucky you, the W is less than 50 yards away from Gold Club for post-Recharge fun, that is if you like Gold Club."
Screw post-recharge fun, going to the strip club is one of my fave OTC activities ... have dinner and drinks somewhere great in SOMA, get her drunk and horny at Gold Club, walk to the hotel room to fuck it off
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6 years ago
-->"Never done it. It's extremely pathetic even for a hard core PL."
I've never done it either. I almost never go to stage at all, for that matter, except for the specific purpose of getting the girl on stage back to my table. But, whether it's pathetic or not, you have to admit JS justified it in the same post where he complained about them -- after all, if the stage leaches are intent on saving that stripper for themselves, the stage is *exactly* where JS (and I, for that matter) intercept the girls to steal them away.
Well played, RIL, well played. Next time I'll have to catch your girl on her way out of the bathroom instead :)
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6 years ago
The problem with SF is that even the worst disgusting bedbug-ridden hotels in dangerous areas cost a lot (relatively). The Red Coach near MBOT, where I've read about vicious muggings and beatings right in the parking lot, is $110+. The MOtel 6 in the same area is $140. If I can stay at the W through Recharge for $100 for 2 hours instead? No brainer, man. If you want a crap hotel for the night and don't want to stay in an incredibly dangerous area, Cow Hollow is where I usually go, but again, you're looking at the worst hotels there for $100, which is what 2 hours in a great hotel in a great area of SOMA would cost me through Recharge. By the hour at a good hotel in a good area is the only way to go in this area...
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6 years ago
If you're in New York City or San Francisco, you can get everything from low-end to mid-upper-end hotels for 30 minutes at a time through the Recharge app... A mid-range hotel will run about $40/hour, higher end as high as $50-$70
I also learned here (from sinclair, maybe), there's a group of day-use apps, at least for android -- dayuse.com and a bunch of others, just search in google play (I imagine you can find these in the Apple app store, too). I haven't tried these yet
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6 years ago
The main lie from SA girls seems to be lying with pictures. Curious about what else she might have lied about
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6 years ago
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founderslip a dollar in her g-string for me
Flag and twenty, doing the hardcore flirting. It's Brokeback Tuscl in here
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6 years ago
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TonyT2what the worlds needs now is love, more love.
I try to stick with cash. But with an ATF who I know well and have pretty deep trust with -- as in, trust level of "I let them stay over my house", they know my real name, etc. -- I use Venmo. Never had any of the issues you're having regarding declines for security reasons.
So far, SA is 100% cash, ITC is 100% cash, I've paid a couple of really tight ATFs with venmo when I didn't have cash on me, or we were apart
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6 years ago
I'm sure it depends on the club, and even more, your style of SCing... for me, I'm with Roger 1000% (that's a lot of percent). I can't get the experience I'm looking for -- at a price that's affordable -- on weekend nightshift, period. Dayshift is more of a craps shoot, but it's a craps shoot you can usually win, big time. Yes, fewer girls, but going with the credo "all you need is one", then unless you're in a situation like Dominic where it's "4-6 girls, all of them ugly", then dayshift is more conducive to higher mileage, lower cost, a lot more free hanging around time. It's not uncommon to find nightshift-quality hotties on dayshift in this area -- there's just fewer of them, and you take some risk you won't be attracted to many/any. But I've been generally happy the quality of my dayshift girls, lo these many years -- in fact, a few times my CF has been the hottest girl on dayshift, talked me into visiting her on nightshift, and she was one of the hottest girls on nightshift, too.
Of course, everyone is looking for different experiences -- someone looking for the party atmosphere, spending just a small amount of time with a large variety of dancers, a quick LDK, etc., might be better served by weekend nightshift greater eye candy and energy
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6 years ago
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lolrunedYour Friendly Neighborhood Average Guy
Alas, I don't know the southern CA clubs at all, but am quite certain the best clubs are there, not here in northern CA. As a weak reminder of past glory, I will say what's probably the best SC ever on American soil was here in SF -- turn-of-the-century Mitchell Bros
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6 years ago
Tony, to confirm what joc said -- ppm is just how often you pay (per meet, vs weekly, vs monthly). Arrangement vs escort-like is how you interact. You can mix and match, and exactly as joc said, nearly everyone starts an arrangement as pay-per-meet... after they're sure they know they want to make the arrangement longer-term, then sometimes it goes to weekly or monthly instead, sometimes not. But overall, pay-per-meet is the overwhelmingly most-common payment model, regardless of whether it's an arrangement or an escort on SA.
The tip-offs for me on SA-escorts is that she's in a hurry to meet (usually "tonight") with little or no messaging first, she doesn't necessarily want to meet for drinks first to even see who it is she's meeting, etc.
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6 years ago
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TonyT2what the worlds needs now is love, more love.
-->"I was going to lay off this discussion but Coffee girl just texted me. She says she totaled her car this morning and broke her phone and just got a new phone. I mean she could be telling the truth. They are young. They will be flakes. OK."
I will also mention again that at least in my area, there's an enormous number of strippers and ex-strippers on SA. Or, to put it another way: not all the girls on SA are strippers, but every stripper is on SA . The above all sounds less like nervous-civilian-girl style flaking, and sounds like classic stripper flaking instead.
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6 years ago
You just know there are still some nincompoops here who aren't quiiiiite sure whether he's a troll and don't mind the tediousness of this all
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6 years ago
abq, good that you had a great experience! Although as per some previous threads, sending me her entire DL would set off alarm bells, and meeting at her place is a complete non-starter. Evidently I have a different risk tolerance than many of you here -- I sometimes wonder if any of you ever read the news LOL
I've always been fine with people using SA as an alternative to backpage, but do agree that the risk of shutdown now looms large over this type of behavior. Still, so many people on SA are doing it, there's no use arguing against it. I do wonder though -- if you're fine using SA to get escorts, were you also using backpage to get escorts previous to this? In many cases it's the exact same girls, the girls with escort-like models are not "sugarbabies" in any sense. If you enjoyed this experience and weren't using backpage the past few years, you've been missing out
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6 years ago
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TonyT2what the worlds needs now is love, more love.
Ya, previous to FOSTA, I was perfectly happy with all the backpage-like johns on SA -- the "real" sugarbabies were totally irritated over their treatment by such guys, and a minimum of respect and appreciation and interest in a "real" sugar relationship made you stand out. In this area at least, the girls make it sound like they're drowning in "how about $150 for an hour tonight?" offers, and anyone who puts in just a bit of effort to distinguish themselves from the johns makes them take notice.
These days, there's the risk of the whole site going down
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6 years ago
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TonyT2what the worlds needs now is love, more love.
-->"I also had a date with an SA woman this afternoon for drinks that she convinced (unfarely with some photos) to make it potential play. However she hasn’t responded texts since 10am."
That's par for the course for me ... the girls flake often, anywhere from the night before, to just a few hours before, to no-text no-shows, so if I don't hear from her immediately before I leave the house, I don't go. I have occasionally had a girl re-schedule and actually show the 2nd time, so I don't write them off completely unless they no-text no-show
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6 years ago
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TonyT2what the worlds needs now is love, more love.
-->"Don’t regret it at all, and I’ve sent a couple others her way since. "
Well, at least you had some g-2 going in. I wouldn't have made the same call, even with the g2 -- "boyfriend" showing up at my door is non-starter, period, end of story -- but at least you had some prior inside info
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6 years ago
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TonyT2what the worlds needs now is love, more love.
Ishmael ... actually has always been my thinking as well. Mtent is just inane, this particular thread I would think has generated interesting insight for tuscl's would-be newbie SDs
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6 years ago
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TonyT2what the worlds needs now is love, more love.
Well I figured Mtent out in like 3 posts, so I'm only somewhat dense compared to most of tuscl -- half the guys still want to give him "the benefit of the doubt" lol ... anyway, yah, I realize Tonyt2 has been speaking gibberish for a while, but nevertheless think the topic of "I was just planning on an initial meeting, and now she wants to 'play'" is generally something the newbie-SDs should expect
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6 years ago
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TonyT2what the worlds needs now is love, more love.
-->"Had another date for drinks and now she wants to play on first date."
The tone of the above is that you're kind of complaining, or stressed about this. This is not a stressful situation. The women of SA are on SA because they need extra cash, and "playing" is what gets them that cash, so I don't think you should be surprised if you make a good impression during the initial meeting, she might propose heading to a hotel right then. If you're up for it you can go; if not, I just tell them I was planning only on an initial meet-and-greet and I have other obligations but I can't wait to schedule playtime "later this week" or whatever. Sometimes, I even tell her before the meeting that I'm planning only on an initial meeting, but if she prefers an option to start our arrangement right away if we get along (she'll know what that means) to just let me know so I can be prepared for that. A few women insist on keeping it meeting-only, but most want at least an option for an immediate playdate afterwards