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13 years ago
@Prim0, I typically give a 25% tip (so $25 for a $20 dance). The girls appreciate it ;) But in that case, I'd really have been inclined to give her a $20 (probably get some more dances too).
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13 years ago
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Yeah, I am surprised that dancers don't understand that basic premise. The dancers I know that make the most do it because of regulars/returning customers.
I am also seeing this as an increasingly common practice. It probably caught on that girls who did this had a higher success rate of selling LDs.
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13 years ago
jackslash, are you paying for the OTC here, or legitly dating her?
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13 years ago
@chimark - that's amazing. If a girl did that for me and delivered well on the dance, I'd almost be inclined to tip her a whole $20 anyway.
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13 years ago
Would prefer the pop music to be honest. And I would consider myself a pretty decent spender and all that too, but music is somewhat important to the overall club vibe IMO.
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13 years ago
$1800 per hour VIP? Holy damn. And I thought Blue Room @Flashdancers was the highest, at $1600 per hour.
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13 years ago
In my experience part of liking a club is increased familiarity with it, and that all comes with being a regular. It sounds like thats the case for you here, so if you are comfortable with what you've got going, that's great. But definitely don't limit yourself, as you can probably find something better.
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13 years ago
> In most Manhattan clubs the girls pay high house fees but get to keep their CR/VIP money.
Interesting, I know that at Flashdancers, the CR gets the girls about $150-200 for themselves. Blue Room gets them about $400, I believe, while the customer pays a whopping $1600.
There are girls that don't get CR'd very often, so at least at this club, OTC is possible (I say this with experience) with a certain segment of the girls (many of which are still very hot), particularly those that are newly hired and don't have a lot of regulars coming in for them...
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13 years ago
I'm with GMD on this one. Let's see some pics girl. :)
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13 years ago
I guess $450 is really on the higher end, particularly for just one hour. If you had gotten 2 hours+ out of this, I'd say it's OK. I would not say it's SO unreasonably high though. I know people who would pay a whole lot more for a lot less (e.g. $600 for a champagne room at flashdancers, with NO sex). At least you got FS, and MSOG at that.
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13 years ago
@rickdugan - have you tried OTC in the NYC area? What's your experience there on pricing?
It has a stigma of being quite expensive, but a $300 budget is possible so far in my experience (just a bit harder to find).
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13 years ago
Yeah, you should look towards escorting I'd say.
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13 years ago
At the clubs I frequent around here, this isn't really much of a problem. But I am sure in clubs with a lower average dancer quality you'll find this. I don't think I have met a stripper over 30 around here, many are in their early 20's. I even know one that is 20, who of course can't even be served alcohol in the club.
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13 years ago
> When a guy takes his ATF to dinner, then sex. the movies, then sex. night on the town, then > sex. all the while paying for it. sound mighty close to a GF to me.
In escort terms, that's called GFE. Pretty common, actually. Some guys like the full package experience, in addition to the sex (can't blame them).
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13 years ago
Find a girl that'll give you a HJ, BJ, or even FS. You'll be satisfied.
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13 years ago
Nicely put, Book Guy. That explains it really well.
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13 years ago
@farmerart - it's probably just as hard to get OTC in NYC (if not harder). Usually requires that you spend some money on the girl in the club first.
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13 years ago
Yeah, there's an initial investment in actually recruiting them too. But that all gets divided up if you end up having multiple OTC sessions ;)
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13 years ago
Yeah, I typically use a fake name too (the dancers are using fake names too, anyway). I don't have much to lose giving a real name, but I'd rather add a layer of separation just in case. If I actually get to know a dancer OTC, they may get to know more about me (my actual name), just as I may get to know more about them.
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13 years ago
Not bad overall, especially if the girl was really hot. I don't think $450 is excessive (I'd pay that much if the girl was very good), especially if this was in the NYC market (or surrounding - NJ etc). Though it would have been better if you could have spent more than one hour with her. Strippers, as they often aren't actual escorts are more lenient with their time in my experience, especially on a day they're not working anyway. You did good with the Motel fee - that's pretty cheap.
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13 years ago
Not into prepay - always prefer postpay, and will tip well if the dances are good :)
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13 years ago
@Clubber - agreed. the good ones try to make it seem like they want something other than your $, but this is *rarely* ever true. Best thing is to never be fooled, and just have fun within your means. I know that my ATF does legitimately enjoy our times, both ITC and OTC, but $ helps things along (especially initially).
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13 years ago
farmerart - I guess the real question is, how much did you -actually- pay? :p