Comments by Book Guy (page 2)

Never encountered it, despite what I thought was my good monger (and internet) pedigree, and now that it's down I can't check it out. Can someone give the trajectory of its prominence? When was it opened, good, bad, gone? I had some absences from the strip club scene, and this website probably coincided with some of them.

I've encountered several dancers who thought that all members of various ethnic groups would inherently be bad customers. Here the example is Indians (I assume Asian, not Native American). I've heard about a lot of dancers rejecting Asians as dirty and cheap (which is kinda silly since the other stereotype is that they're all good at math and therefore are probably engineers, hence, by second stereotype, clueless and willing to spend too much for a dance). Especially in the Tampa area, Asians were outright rejected more often. It used to be that Blacks were rejected in upper-scale clubs on basis of appearance regardless of actual ability to pay, but that was a general socio-economic phenomenon, not limited to strip clubs. Personally I hate the smell of curry and the bad breath it engenders. Maybe that's something more common to Indians? Here in NOLa there are several dancers (I think stupid) who approach me with garlic breath. Or blowjob breath.

Or as has been said about females many times, "She's free white and twenty-one, she can do as she chooses." I don't disagree with the abstract premise, that being born European-American is a better luck of the draw on many points, particularly socio-economic ones, than being born African-American, in 20th or 21st Century USA. But I think the original dialog is misleading (fuck time machines, that's hypothetical and beside the point and inaccurate anyway) and doesn't get at the gist of the problem. In every culture in every time and every place, there have been "privileged" and "oppressed" groups. Sometimes the benefits go to a family, or a set of wealthy people, or those with genes which resist a disease, or a racial or ethnic group. Usually the benefits align with the political and socio-economic circumstances of the time. Consequently, being born Jewish and worshiping Judaism in pogrom-filled East Europe, f.e. the "Pale" region now partly in Belarus, up to World War II was generally a disadvantage, when compared to being born a Hapsburg near there. But being born Jewish and worshiping Judaism in 1996 in Israel, f.e. Jerusalem, is probably a benefit when compared to being born Arabic and worshiping Islam near there.

Why not move locations? Just wondering why a place that is obviously solvent, but has gotten into the crosshairs of municipal development, civic organizations, or similar, can't just buy a new location further out from the perimeter? It seems to me that most of USA's big cities have a rust belt, which is often gentrifying, and outside of which will be either further rust / industrial belt, or simply green land. At least on SOME occasions, a strip club could simply build to suit at the next intersection out. I'm not saying this could have been the case for this club in particular, but is anyone familiar with this sort of move ever happening anywhere in general?

The AI was fully convincing. Musk is getting some small amount of stick for having re-posted without a clear disclaimer that it was entirely AI generated and a parody. The content (IMO) made it clear that it was a parody, so I didn't really mind that it was re-posted without the disclaimer. (And I would vote farther Left than Musk, probably for Harris.) I think the story about this video is more about the fact that the AI is so danged visually effective and accurate, and less about anybody trying to actually pass these clips off as truthful reportage. Yes it looks very real. No you didn't try to make us think it was real. But there were other true-fake a.k.a. deep-fake videos distributed here and there which claimed to be the "real" Biden or Trump. I didn't keep careful check on them, but I know it's going to be more and more of an option for any side. Disinformation was spread about the knife assailant at that small-kids' dance party setting in England, and then deliberately re-posted by extreme-right hate-mongers who wanted to mislead the public and whip up false fervor over the immigrant question. It didn't really use much AI, though a small amount was used to create the text of the initial story out of (IIRC) Hungary and India.

The hooters on this girl showed up finally (albeit still clothed). Here's a YouTube short that demonstrates good ... ahem ... development. https://youtube.com/shorts/9GxhHLT9Yio?si=PiFz3UnVLeR-PKKn

I was in a private booth getting a rather high level of service, with my shorts around my knees or there-abouts, when a very young but very large muscular bouncer barged in, grabbed the dancer by the shoulders / neck, and scooted her out of the booth. I at first assumed this was a police raid or similar, got dressed as fast as I could, but then could easily determine that mine was the only booth that had been thus emptied. Evidently she had pissed off her pimp or protector somehow. I didn't raise a ruckus. This was at Fantasia, Richmond Hill (Toronto), in about 1995.

Here's the gem of this discussion -- "How old is too old? The REAL question is how ugly is too ugly." @ReadyToMonger

I used to do Olympic target shooting with the rifle club at a Uni I attended. I did OK, and it was nice that the more I practiced the better I got (which is supposed to be the case with everything, but definitely was NOT for a lot of other things I've tried). Haven't been involved with shooting since, it's too damn much to undertake. You have to own the equipment, get the license, store it and be attentive about cleaning and maintenance, and then to use it you have to carry it across town to some location where there's a target range. Too much planning ahead! I would probably enjoy it if I did get involved in it but I would also probably forget to schedule my time at the range, then get there without something, etc. etc.. I need it all in the house at a moment's notice. Also, my eyesight underwent typical presbyopia since the time I was attending Uni. I have no idea how shooting with eyeglasses works.

Well if it is, indeed, the fact that clubs are more lame now (because of the economy, or not), what is going to replace them. I personally seek an in-person experience with attractive women; I can fulfill that search through strip clubs, mostly. Will something else arise to fill the void?

@Redmonwin Glad the Haggar Cool 18s worked out for you. I am looking for something nearly identical but with a longer drop. The cut for them is very much too low in the waistline, which has to be worn "at the hips" or lower, like low-rise jeans (which is, technically, BELOW the "real" waist). I want something that I wear around my navel or almost that high. I have large thighs and buttocks, so any pants that are designed as medium-high or non-high low-rise will be ultra-low-rise on me, very uncomfortable. @NJBalla I wouldn't personally approve of the sweat-pants / workout-pants look, that is very much the appearance of a skeezy horndawg not a high-flyer, so to speak. I do agree that a suit, and/or tight-fitting jeans, screams newbie. But to me, workout pants also screams newbie; or, more accurately, screams, "someone who is here for lap dances and will pay minimum price for maximum time." I'd rather appear to be "good customer" rather than "excruciatingly cheap customer." But then, that's just appearance, and all of it is subjective, maybe in your area the looks give different responses. I used to club in "parachute" material, workout-suit pants, and it was enjoyable but sometimes a bit too casual, depending on the setting. Haggars are right for me, right now. Given the fit issues.

The details of the original post to this thread also implicated management attitude. The dancers received a note from management that they disliked. I'm usually sympathetic to the concerns of rank-and-file workers, when management is too heavy-handed with the "enthusiasm" speeches, because it often looks to me like the management is trying to replace the need for GOOD ORGANIZATION and a GOOD BUSINESS PLAN with simply jawboning and blaming the employees. So, for example, if a Domino's or a Papa John's is doing poorly and has a manager who yells at his workers all the time about how they have to "really care about the product" and "commit to the meaningful family membership" and other bullshit like that, I'm going to guess that the problem isn't due to lack of rank-and-file enthusiasm, it's due to poor management, maybe poor investment decisions, bad advertising that has failed to draw revenue, disorganized shift scheduling, etc.. In fact, they often demand greater enthusiasm in the face of exactly that, a high level of enthusiasm but nothing else, when for example the staff is already giving extra but needs better management to support their efforts by directing that extra toward profitability. So, usually, I've noticed that when someone jawbones about "commitment" and "enthusiasm" it's because he doesn't know what to change in order to bring about improved performance, and he doesn't want to admit to himself that he, and not the staff, is the problem. In this case, however, I don't know if the dancers' complaints about management's note fit that model. Is management being unreasonable by demanding more enthusiasm from the dancers? Or is it a reasonable expectation, because the dancers' lack of enthusiasm is genuinely causing poor profits? Is there a demonstrable causal link in this case?

I have a buncha hobbies and past experiences that might have been considered hobbies. One that might be interesting to y'all is, I do figure-drawing, generally from live models. (Yes this can be very much like attending strip clubs. Naked girl poses in front of staring customers.) I generally have used dry media (graphite pencils or sticks; charcoal; "drawing sticks" of various brands; or hard pastels, usually just one color) and produce monochrome drawings (or two-color, white and black, on mid-toned paper; once in a blue moon, at most, "trois crayons" style, three-color). I recently began to try watercolor painting. I don't really have the patience for it, it requires too much sitting still to re-work and to fine-tune with ever smaller detail, and there's not much opportunity for alla-prima production, you have to plan a painting ahead. So I'm not sure I like it, though I did spend through the wazoo for the initial outlay, especially tubes and tubes of paint in various pigments. The study of pigment information, the whole materials science of it, is an interesting hobby in its own right. Anybody want to argue the merits of Phthalo Green over Viridian?

Louisiana's is the Office of Motor Vehicles, so OMV. I don't think I'd be happy with them scanning but if it is the only club option for a large distance I might let them do it. Here in NOLa I don't really feel like it would be plausible to simply refuse, depart, and patronize another club, because, what other club?

I think part of it us club one-up's-man-ship. You have to have a certain high quality of dancers, consistently across everyone who works there, for a golf clubbing photo opportunity to look good. My local neighborhood club does not have attractive enough girls. If they were to host a golf event, with the girls out there in little "presenter" outfits, short shorts and club t-shirts and bikini tops or so forth, the photos would be bad enough that the club would not get much positive publicity from the event. So, be thankful that you get to see photos of your region's girls before going into the clubs ... at least you get the opportunity to confirm that they're sufficiently attractive! (just put the same comment on the wrong thread! doh! you fooled me dolfan)

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I think part of it us club one-up's-man-ship. You have to have a certain high quality of dancers, consistently across everyone who works there, for a golf clubbing photo opportunity to look good. My local neighborhood club does not have attractive enough girls. If they were to host a golf event, with the girls out there in little "presenter" outfits, short shorts and club t-shirts and bikini tops or so forth, the photos would be bad enough that the club would not get much positive publicity from the event. So, be thankful that you get to see photos of your region's girls before going into the clubs ... at least you get the opportunity to confirm that they're sufficiently attractive!

I'm OK with well-groomed humans. I don't want to see thatches. If you look at even the stars of the 1970s and early 80s, when hair was in style, the hair was still well maintained and put into proper place. The guys with chest-hair generally reduced it and directed it and limited it to the "right" part of the chest; the girls with big dark pussy patches kept their upper thighs generally clean to the bikini-line or, if they didn't, it was "their thing" to be hirsute. I'm confused by the article. Why do the women need to engage in some kind of campaign to cause their hair to grow? Wouldn't they become hirsute ("poilu") simply by waiting a few weeks to a month or two, without shaving, because during the interim their natural hair would ... duh ... grow naturally?

I'd suggest to those of you who are quoting prices as the "general" or going rate, do realize you're just citing what's going rate in your market. Different cities different prices, look 'em up on TUSCL. I wonder, do Millennials and younger think, "you go to a strip club to look at naked girls over a little stretch of time for free", is that their attitude? Because that's frickin' stupid of them. But if the problem is with the customers, nevertheless, it's not up to the customers to fix the problem. So, even if the problem IS that the damn customers are too damn cheap, there's really no business model on the planet that gets to demand that the customers do a better job of being bilked by the strip club management or the strip club dancers. If the customers aren't paying, then someone's gotta figure out how to get the customers to WANT to pay. And that someone probably ain't the customers.

I wonder if it is EVER sensible in business to move toward the model of "fewer customers but more money per customer" early in the business trajectory. I mean, I guess, technically, when some of the major car manufacturers moved from economy cars towards luxury cars, that was what they were doing. Volkswagen began with the intent of making the total bargain-basement everyman's car, and even after it survived ol' Adolf and moved into the global market it was still an "economy car" brand for a long time. Then it upgraded, roughly IIRC 1990s. In that process, I suppose you could say, they were moving toward fewer customers, but with greater profit margin per customer. But this was after they had established themselves for OVER HALF A CENTURY. Buyers knew they were providing (or thought of them as providing) reliability, work-ability, consistency. Then they could change their intended market. I guess I could see it working with certain brand-loyalty types of strip clubs ... MAYBE. Like, if the Pony Enterprises (or whatever it's called) outfits across the country got a very reliable following, with very established quality standards. I guess that's what the Penthouse Clubs, Ricks, Hustlers, and a few other lines, think they are doing. They aren't succeeding. Anyway, the club in question in this thread didn't even go through the long preliminary process of establishing itself before trying to upgrade, so it's really just a theoretical examination.

Light Worker LOL I had to look that up. Jehova's Witness type genius-ness there ...

Oh Lordie Lordie what has the world come to. The younger generation now reports, much to my amazement, that the girls at the AMPs are "young hot spinnerrs" whereas the dancers are "fat" and are "the most popular ones." This is exactly backwards from the way the world should be. I hereby declare that the universe has turned upside-down. Also the $300 and $200 price are literally quadruple what should be paid. IMNSHO.

My Haggar Cool 18s have a pleated front, which I prefer. But they are "fake" pleats, meaning, the interior portion isn't wide-drifting like the exterior, thus pretty much defeating the purpose of having pleats. Also, they are (relative to other slacks styles) very short in the "drop" measurement. I want more crotch depth. This means I must lower the waistband to wear it below my waist at the hips, which is half uncomfortable, or get extremely large pants that then are too long and too voluminous. If I could get Cool 18s with longer drop I'd be peachy.

Rate the stripper. I would give her a 5 or 6 based on her mugshot, and, if I have the right Instagram, then her body lowers it to a 4. Read the story. Stripper is dumb as a brick. Entered her phone number as part of the transactions. Involved the club by naming it as recipient. Tried to bill over 60K. From multiple credit card accounts. Kept the cards. Gave police WRITTEN consent to allow them to search phone. (Where they found steroid sales info.) My guess is she is way lower-class in her outlook and upbringing. Doesn't even know how credit-card transactions work, maybe has never had one. Perhaps is a Cubana (looks the part) or traveler from another Latin American location, unfamiliar with how the computers leave trails of identifiable transactions with locations and account numbers tagged to them. She should have gone for the Nikes at Athletes Foot or a buncha Vuitton handbags, something you can carry away, while he was still drunk, not simply alcohol for the dude to ingest. Do it smart, girlie. I mean, if you have a drunk customer, someone who's dumb enough to let you booze him up, then sure, you have a "right" (according to the Eternal Stripper Moral Lack Of High Ground Rules Book) to bilk him as best you can. But fer chrissakes, bilk him intelligently! Yeesh.

I think the clubs' hiring practices are generally in line with what they think will make them money. In my town the clubs are pretty much constrained to take on at least a few overweight dancers because otherwise there would simply be no dancers on many shifts. So then the vicious cycle gets started -- the only women who are dancing, are overweight; so guys buy dances from the only dancers available; so the dancers and the club get the message that guys want overweight women; so the club hires overweight women and the other women stop trying to lose weight; so the only women who are dancing, are overweight; so ... Fuck this shit. Do not enable obesity. Put your foot down. Potential strategies? Make a comment to the bartender -- "geez the club probably has to charge her a double fee off of her dances because she has to take up two private booths in the VIP". They'll get the drift. Tell the unattractive ones that you're surprised they let people like her dance here. Keep your eye on the men who are patronizing the extremely out-of-line dancers. Can you identify the type? Are they of a particular demographic? (Age, f.e., social class, or ethnicity? Etc.) We are in it together. Together we can stamp out undesirable dancers.