So I go into a strip club and there is a guy at the door and asks to se ID (Ok thats not unusual to see ID, but what the fk happened to the door girls)?
Ok but besides that they say they ned to scan it....WTF I just said no and walked out. Why the fuck would a club need to scan IDs for?
I'll show them ID, but scanning it is bullshit.
Checking if you have been thrown out and banned from that club or another one with the same owners.
It's been my experience if the bouncer at the door knows you or you look familiar he won't scan your license or even ask to see it. I think they scan licenses for their own protection such as if you try to leave without paying.
I have no wife and I will never run for political office, but I still refuse to allow my personal data to be stored in a strip club database. I usually just say "I'm obviously over 21. I can give you a tip or I can walk, your choice." IME it's about 50/50, but there is usually another club just down the road a bit that will take my money.
Multiple reasons.....
1 - Verify validity of ID (although that's relevant only if system is linked to a database to verify validity, which raises further concern, as it means a government agency has the ability to track who goes to a club, not only the club management)
2 - Track "don't permit entry" customers, if customers are banned from club due to incident. I once witnessed someone getting tossed from a club, with bouncer noting "you're banned for a year...we're flagging in our system).
3 - More easily track down / report customers in the event of an illegal act (assault, fighting, leaving without paying, etc).
I also find it to be intrusive, and often walk away, but that depends on my commitment to going to that club (want to see a certain girl, have had an otherwise good experiences at club, I need my fix, and it's the closest option at the time).
I've tried the "don't have it, it's in my car" approach only somewhat successfully. I do believe that for clubs where you are known, you can get it waived. But, that may require you to ask door person to get person A/B/C, if the door person doesn't know you...which is a bit of a dick move, but I've used it periodically. It depends on my mood at the time.
With respect to datinman's comment...."I'm Alexander Hamilton...looking forward to my visit tonight".
Yeah I am thinking its complete bullshit. They probably share the database with LEO for whatever reason and get incentives to do so or get some leeway if they ever get shut down.
No reason to have peoples personal info in some database to see some tits. Most people, especially if you are a recognizeable business person dont want to have your ID scanned.
Funonthasides explanation seems spot on. I've yet to have my ID scanned. One of the reasons I haven't gone to Platinum Plus in Allentown since their policy change of scanning IDs.
I used to be staunchly against allowing this. But over the years my position has softened.
It's not a crime to be in a strip club. I also almost never handle serious business ITC and never when I spot a camera pointing at me in a backroom.
Also, even if the database of their vendor gets hacked, what can anyone do with just license data? My home address is not a state secret and the DL# doesn't get used for anything except as a DMV tracking number. Without a SS# or one of my financial institution account numbers, it's fairly useless information.
So meh. It irks me a bit purely for privacy reasons, but not so much that I will necessarily walk away.
I’ve never allowed my ID to be scanned, most places will allow you access even though you refuse. I haven’t ever been refused entry, despite never allowing anyone to scan my ID.
^ @25: Some (though not all) of the Nanny State clubs are sticklers about it. I know 2 clubs in CT and one in Brooklyn that will not let you in if you refuse.
The purpose is to check validity but also to instate bans and record your information.
Depending on the club owner, it could also be used for blackmail. At least in the escort industry, sometimes they will threaten to post your ID online… threaten to notify your family members… or threaten to contact your workplace.
The biggest concern though is who exactly in the club can access that ID info? Can bouncers, dancers, DJs etc access that ID info, or only the owner of the club?
Obviously if dancers and bouncers can access the info, some of them can use it to rob the wealthier clients.
I wonder if the club faces any liability in the event a dancer or bouncer obtains a customers address and robs their house?
@RD I get it, if you don’t like them scanning your documents then you need to hold the line, my own personal information is not a state secret either, but if you just give it up without a fight, more and more of your freedom and privacy will be taken away from you.
Regarding Gammanus comment, are they obligated to notify you regarding which clubs they own? What if you get banned from a club, then months later, try to enter a club hundreds of miles away and find out youre also banned there because the owners are the same. That seems like something they could be liable for
By default, I'm very cautious about who gets to digitally capture the personally identifiable from my ID. Given that strip clubs aren't known to employ the most competent or ethical people, I'd never let this happen. So far, it hasn't hampered me.
It's for marketing purposes. If you don't let them scan, you'll miss out on the promotional magazines and post cards mailed to your house with your name on it. "Thanks for visiting the Lap Dance Factory. Bring this post card for a free drink and 1/2 off VIP next time you stop by."
I don't know why they just can't scan our assholes? The little folds of skin should be a readable identifier just like a barcode or a fingerprint.
Many of the customers would be fine with this, as they "have nothing to hide" and are very understanding that the clubs have to protect themselves from liability.
Oh, and anyone who doesn't want to show their asshole to the camera and walks "must be up to something".
^ Wasn’t there some weirdo ape named “Forgot to Wipe” that posted here? I bet that is one weirdo that would have a disturbing asshole scan.
My ID is simple. I look at the bouncer and say “how many suit-wearing lions have you seen going to the club? Let me in or Imma go wildebeest on your ass”
Only once has the bouncer said “there is already a suit-wearing lion on the premises “ I let that guy off with a warning after he let me in. Damn bouncer didn’t know what he was talkin’ about anyway…it was a frickin’ mountain lion” But the mountain lion liked Jack so we had a good time hangin’ out watching the sexy female hairless apes so all’s well that ends well. ROAR!!!
How much liability do the clubs have for doing this? What if a bouncer or dancer robs your place and they got the address from the club?
Many states dont have a DMV
Hawaii is the only state that doesn't have a state Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV).
I said it before, I once let a club out in the middle of nowhere that I drove over an hour to scan my ID because I didn't want to chalk it up as a wasted drive.
I regretted it and have refused to let any other club scan my ID ever since. Sometimes it's a wasted drive but so be it. No fucking strip club has a valid reason to have any of my personal information period!
Shadowcat some states instead of a DMV, have a BMV, RMV, maybe something else I think ohio was one…
^amen brutha.
I would never go along with scanning. I went to one really shitty club in Atlantic City, Bare Elegance?, and they wanted me to check my cell phone at the door. Fucking crazy.
RTM if theyve got enough fat hoes the seismic activity will destroy the database storing the photo ID info so you wont have anything to worry about
This thread should be a sticky. I've stated on many occasions that license scan is a deal breaker for me. The only places that have a legitimate need to scan your license (or keep photocopy on file) are your employer, bank/credit union, physician/hospital state motor vehicle dept., and law enforcement. I just might try datinman's approach someday.
Louisiana's is the Office of Motor Vehicles, so OMV.
I don't think I'd be happy with them scanning but if it is the only club option for a large distance I might let them do it. Here in NOLa I don't really feel like it would be plausible to simply refuse, depart, and patronize another club, because, what other club?
In my neck of the woods clubs tend to come in pairs. In basically every case the club that doesn't scan IDs is better in other ways to the club that does. That makes the choice generally easier, but unfortunately the ID scanners tend to be open more days than the clubs that don't.
If there were any incidents of SC owners or employees misusing personal data (a la the Ashley Madison "hack" a decade or so ago), you'd think somebody on this site would have heard about it
For someone obviously of legal age there should be no need to show ID. I don't patronize any club that asks me to show ID. Needless to say, any club that would ask to SCAN my ID would be avoided like the plague.
Fuck that - something happens at the club that’s got nothing to do with you and some cop wants to talk to you
@Studme, yes that is a likely scenarios, or if the club gets raided they will use that database to then contact you and likely try to somehow implicate you in some kind of wrongdoing. LEO is trained to do that kinds of bullshit.
Its like RING doorbell cams that your neighbor has. It might be there property but they are getting you in footage and the cameras are tied in to LEO so they can get surveillance without warrants and bypass your rights. RING is a big surveillance platform for police to spy on people outside of law under the guise of "safety". eff.org
Same as strip clubs that use ID scanners. Its just aother piece of the puzzle they have to run around surveilling people. Even if you didnt do shit wrong, they will find something you did and find a fine for it. That you can believe, they are trained to think of citizens as beneath them.
Just like if you have ever been pulled over for a minor traffic violation and a cop determines that your car is too nice and starts asking nosey questions like where do you work etc.
Then the whole minor stop devolves into a "Do you mind if we search your car" and when you refuse because it is violating your rights, plus you know you dont have anything in the car they call a K-9 unit to false alert to bypass your rights. The dog gives a false alert and there you go. even if you know with 110% certainty you have nothing you get nervous because you know they are capable of lying and planting shit since its happened many times before to various people from various walks of life. reason.com So logical and normal thing to do is distrust them in all interactions because they arent worthy of trust.
They also do this BS at airports when TSA will alert police to cash they see in the xray and then the passenger continues to their gate where the police will confront them there and coerce them to sign a form to sign their money over. Basically thieves who are robbing people left and right under guise of "safety". They do the same shit on highways. NOT worthy of trust at all.
More thievery by thugs of hard woring people. qcnews.com
The purpose is largely market insight. If they scan every ID, they can track time of entry, age, zip code, frequency of visits, and many more items. Ownership/management can then in theory make better business decisions, either catering to positive trends or taking action to counter negative ones. The ID scanners also tend to be bundled with other POS, inventory management, etc. software.
As far as what you're giving up or risking, I agree its small. But for me, the value I'm getting in return is even smaller. So, I'll continue to avoid those clubs since I don't really like them anyway. If/when ID scanning becomes ubiquitous, it won't stop me from going to clubs altogether. And likely if one of my favorite clubs started, I might not stop going there if that's the only problem.
Its true they also track demographic information- and they very possibly also sell that information without permission.
I do wonder how careful they are in handling the ID info and how liable they can be if a bouncer or dancer accesses it. Club owners are aware of the fact crackhead bouncers and crackho dancers can work at clubs, dancers can have pimps… so they have to be even more careful handling the IDs.
Readytomonger the problem with that video of the airport seizures is basically anyone traveling with tens of thousands in cash domestically is up to no good.
Credit cards literally give you cash back or other rewards, so anyone with money is going to be spending on their cards. ATMs are in every state in the US. So if you supposedly need cash to give out as gifts to someone, you can withdraw it from an ATM.
The guy being interviewed literally has bling on his wrist. Obviously if someones traveling with a bunch of cash, it means theyre a drug dealer or a pimp who didnt want to deposit the funds in a bank account. I believe the cutoff amount is the IRS or FBI tracks transactions 10k or higher?
People are claiming unjust forfeiture all over those youtube comments but the reality is nobody has any reason to be traveling domestically with thousands of dollars in cash..other than a drug dealer or hoe or pimp or other illicit profession.
Even if someone really needs cash, they can get it an ATM. Why would they need to travel with that cash? Because theyre afraid to deposit it in a bank
I'm still not going to let a strip club scan my ID...
So anyone who doesnt want to use a credit card now is a hoe or drug dealer?
So according to your logic, I guess you sould just let someone with a badge search inside your butthole if they want just because "Hey....you aint got nuthin ta hide". Which is a fallacy in itself. If thats the case then why have a front door or curtains or any privacy at all? " I mean what are you hiding in your house that you need curtains and doors? (You see how foolish your logic is)
ATMs have daily limits sometimes on withdraw, also sometimes if its over a certain amount banks make you wait for your own money before withdraw. There have even ben many cases where banks will refuse to let people withdraw from their own accounts. Freezing them etc. dailyhodl.com Its always under the guise of "Suspicious behavior" or "Safety".
So perhaps they withdrew the money to make a purchase so they didnt have to wait and mess around. Maybe they didnt have a bank branch wherever they were headed. We dont know these things, but you are assuming they are criminals just beacuse they dont carry around credit cards and pay high interest rates.
Who are the real criminals who saw an opportunity to seize cash by shaking down travelers working hand in glove like a team of thieves TSA handed off info to the thugs who then moved in for the shakedown and then never charging them with anything? Also there was no probable cause as pointed out by lawyers.
^ What you fail to appreciate is that RMD is a troll.
I mean, if responding to a troll is fun for you, then have at it. But know that you're feeding a troll.
Readytomonger thats the thing though, note i specifically said people traveling domestically. Not internationally.
There is nowhere in the US where an airport exists but ATM doesnt. Why would someone be traveling domestically with tons of cash? When you think about it, there really is no reason someone would be traveling domestically with a ton of cash, unless its earned from a cash business transaction.
And if you narrow it down further, who out there operates a cash business, where they cant deposit the funds in a bank? It’s basically only people doing illegal things with the money. There is at least tax evasion involved.
If they had a legit business transaction where they earned that cash, they could just deposit it in an ATM and withdraw it later on.
Even if they wanted to say, purchase a rolex or a car or something in a state where theres no sales tax, they can still get no sales tax on the purchase if they use a credit card.
And if theres some sort of deal where they receive a discount for buying the item through cash instead of credit card, they could use a check for the purchase.
Besides that, credit card fees for the merchant are I believe 2.9%. And the credit card will give you cash back itself, usually at least 1.5%, sometimes up to 3%. So when you do the math you wont be saving anything from buying in cash or will at most save 1% or 1.5% since purchasing by check doesnt give you any rewards.
Theyve got that dude wearing a diamond bracelet crying while being interviewed claiming he was discriminated against when he obviously was involved in some shady stuff to be traveling with that much cash on hand.
Traveling with that much cash is in itself probable cause.
rmd- Maybe the cash guy is going to visit a club upon destination arrival.....
Probably making sure your ID is real like when the TSA does when you fly on a plane. They still have liabilities if they let people in with a fake ID.