Club is slow: Dancers fault? Or the current times?

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More than once I've walked out of a strip club with 6 or 8 hundred dollars in my pocket because the dancers were so "smart" they could judge me from afar.

Ha! And I never knew how much they were judging me up close until I had a duct tape wallet for a while. They ALWAYS noticed. Turns out they were always peering into my wallet while I was fishing out the 20 or 40 I owed them for the first few dances.

Not everyone with cash wears a Rolex. Personally, I would prefer to spend 20 nights in a strip club rather than buy a fucking watch for the same money. I don't feel the need to impress anybody.

On the other hand, maybe I should buy the watch to impress strippers. Then they might approach me. But that Rolex would also attract attention on the street after I left the club at 2 am, wouldn't it?

This is going to quickly turn political, then degrade into petty name calling.

But to try and get in an answer before that, it's some of both. But a shit ton of other stuff too. Attitudes towards sex, sex work have changed dramatically in a short time. Things like onlyfans and sugar dating have exploded in popularity, at a time when sex drives are seemingly on the decline.

I'm sure if I went to a club and saw several dancers on stage in a row that looked bored out of the fucking minds and miserable as fuck, I'd leave and be unlikely to go back. I'd leave a review on here saying how shitty it is.

But in the girls defense, while some I'm sure are lazy, entitled, brats, I'm sure there are plenty of customers who aren't going to tip. Dancers love to say guys who don't tip are broke, but based on my personal habits it's much more that they're unattractive or maybe borderline attractive enough, but they look disinterested on stage and I'm not gonna waste my time and money on them.

Around here though, the strip clubs seem to be doing fine. They're slower than in season, but I feel like they're busier than they usually are this time of year. At least on day shift. I haven't seen nearly the price slashing that is typical yet this year, and it seems like I'm getting less girls reaching out looking to see if I want to do OTC. Those are usually the two things that signify to me that the clubs are slow.

That sign is passive aggressive, shitty management though. Have that conversation individually, privately with problematic dancers. Posting a sign like that is just a pussy move.

Something I've noticed is while strip clubs have been declining AMPs have exploded. Since Covid the number of dancers and customers have been cut in half while the number of AMPs have more than doubled.

The reason for this I think is pretty easy to figure out. Inflation has hit strip clubs hard. Pre covid lap dances where I live averaged $30 a song with $20 a song being possible at certain clubs. Now it's $40-50 a song. Amps on the other hand pre covid it was $200 for FS, today it's still $200 for FS.

At the same time the dancer quality in the strip clubs has gone way down. Most haven't taken off the extra weight they put on during the lockdowns. AMPs on the other hand while not universal have gotten younger and better looking ladies than they did pre covid.

I'm not paying $50 a song from a 4 when I can get a BBBJ/CFS from an 8 For $200 just down the street.

I still go but I mostly just tip the stage these days. Even that though most of the strippers these days don't motivate me to leave the bar for the rack. I really don't need a close up look at a dancer that's 50+ pounds overweight.

Female companionship is the oldest industry and will last forever. I think its silly to consider strip clubs being a barometer for how the economy is doing. Times change. For example, when quarantine happened many clubs had to shut down and many guys learned of alternative options. When quarantine was over some guys returned full time, some continue to explore thier other options, and some found going back to getting a grind in a wooden stall to be barbaric in comparison to lets say a 30 minute romp on a hotel bed.

Your logic would be like saying because the office buildings occupancy rate dropped after COVID the economy is shit when so many work remote.

*and if your idea is hoping to blame strip club occupancy on women lets get real. Strippers have so many options and they work in this industry because they want quick cash. If they arent getting money from the club they will find other options fairly quickly. The girls who work in strip clubs are maybe 5% at most of the female companionship industry.

Spending money at a stripclub is discretionary income. Logic would seem to dictate that more discretionary spending = Good Economy. However, there are many outlets for spending $$. As prior posters have pointed out, there are other outlets for adult entertainment. I've seen more dancers glued to i-phone, if they're being tipped online with OF/etc, they're going to gravitate to the easier money. So some strip clubs may be doing badly while other adult entertainment venues are doing well.

I think it’s mostly because a lot of the clubs just aren’t that good anymore. Why would you want to hand over your discretionary income to below average women with poor attitudes/personalities? If it were a consistently good experience more people would find the money to go.

It seems like a lot of dancers don't understand that their stage show is advertisement. If they show the goods, have some energy and don't act like they hate being there their chances of guys wanting to get dances is going to go way up.

Some of it, no doubt, is the economy. Some of it is strip club managers who don't know what a good dancer is, so they end up putting bad dancers on stage who run off customers. But some of it is dancers who are full of themselves. There's enough blame to go around.

No one simple answer. Many factors including the economy, other outlets for females to sell content, changing tastes of younger people, and unattractive dancers.

But it’s a vicious cycle. Less customers who spend leads to less attractive dancers working which leads to even fewer customers which leads to even uglier dancers working which leads to less customers

My issue is that economically, the prices of VIPs are so high that they equal or surpass escort rates. For 150 or less I could get an escort for CFS or I could go to my local strip clubs for 15 minutes grinding (if Im lucky with my choice).

Its just not worth the effort unless I really want to club atmosphere. The problem with certain clubs is that they have priced out middle class guys or guys who are just on a budget.

I know you have ballers on here who can afford it, but here's the rub: there are only so many of you top tier mongers vs. X number of dancers.

caseyx basically said my thoughts

one of the most common "tips" given on stripper forums (for nude clubs) is to "not take anything off till people start tipping" and that shit is absolutely terrible advice. I'd make basically nothing on stage if i kept my outfit on until a "sufficient" amount of money hit the stage, 'cause guys don't really start tipping like that till you get naked.

there are a lot of customers who go into strip clubs to nurse one beer and never spend a single dollar on any of the girls, so i can understand the frustration, but a lot of strippers these days don't seem to grasp that "working for free" (AKA putting in effort even when you aren't being paid yet) is literally just a part of the job description and refusing to do that is stopping their money. I wouldn't say a club being slow is the dancers' fault entirely though, it's a lot of different factors.

It used to be that there were far fewer options for guys who wanted to purchase their sexy fun time, and for the women who wanted to sell to them. In those less competitive times, club management could be lazier, resistant to change, and survive bad decisions with greater ease.

Meaning, the sex market was less volatile and competitive, but more tolerant of fools.

Now there's different markets and platforms competing for PL dollars, and the average strip club owner/ manager has less room to be complacent about getting warm bodies inside the club (dancers and customers). To some degree, this also applies to dancers, who perhaps can no longer survive on just showing up and looking good.

So, sure, the economy could be a factor. It probably is a factor. But I think a greater factor is that the industry (and many within it) are allergic to doing new things in the face of changing market forces.

Bars and restaurants close all the time and people wonder why. Over-hyped meals, overpriced hipster craft cocktails and shitty service. Done with it.

Competition is a bitch in this industry that has had little.

I don’t see how regular girls who aren’t celebrities or well known can make that much on onlyfans. How does anyone find their profile and randomly subscribe? Even the strippers I’ve seen that have one charge like $10 a month. You’d need a ton of subscribers to make anywhere close to the earning potential in the club even in declining times.

OF girls need to be strippers to make $ on OF. If they can latch onto their SC regulars, they can leverage their SC contacts to build some recurring revenue from OF subscriptions. But, stripping continues to be necessary to generate adequate income.

I'd suggest to those of you who are quoting prices as the "general" or going rate, do realize you're just citing what's going rate in your market. Different cities different prices, look 'em up on TUSCL.

I wonder, do Millennials and younger think, "you go to a strip club to look at naked girls over a little stretch of time for free", is that their attitude? Because that's frickin' stupid of them.

But if the problem is with the customers, nevertheless, it's not up to the customers to fix the problem. So, even if the problem IS that the damn customers are too damn cheap, there's really no business model on the planet that gets to demand that the customers do a better job of being bilked by the strip club management or the strip club dancers. If the customers aren't paying, then someone's gotta figure out how to get the customers to WANT to pay. And that someone probably ain't the customers.

If there are a lot of customers and the men aren't spending, I generally blame the dancers. If there aren't a lot of customers, I blame the club or the economy.

rickmacrodong - Why do OF girls need to be strippers to succeed at OF? There are millions of girls with OF accounts....the only way to have any meaningful number of subscribers is to build up clientele from strip club customers. Ultimately, a girl is a girl, and pussy is pussy. Even if you filter on "petite AA girl", you will get thousands of hits. Same with IG....you need something unique to draw attention to yourself.

It has a lot to do with the younger generations (20somethings) are mostly gays and have no interest in women, plus majority of them are jobless, no motivation, broke as fuck and unappealing to women.

Also has a lot to do with those younger 20-somethings parents are busy wasting money on their "Children" (Adult losers).

Also the quality in women becase most girls who are 20-something are also unmotivated losers who are living at home with mommy and being taken care of by parents, so the have no need to go hustle to make money showng their tits, so they stay at home , get fat, no guy wants them so they end up waiting for inheritance.

Basically the new generation doesnt see making money as a priority. They are just zombies addictd to video games and virtual online girlfriends who use them.

Also the girls stay at home, dye their hair purple and pink and get tattoos off mommy and daddys dime.

What need is there to hustle for moeny when mommy is your best customer that will buy you anything off credit. I've even seen stupid parents mortgage their house to help their loser kids.

rickmacro - Minimum expectation for an OF girl is getting naked. If they have an OF account and are PG rated, their subscribers are supersimps.

My point about using their strip club contacts to develop subscribers to OF is based on the fact that you need some method to draw people to your OF site. There are too many other sites where you can see pussy for free, for someone to pay OF subscription fees.

@readytomonger--bravo. That was wonderful performance art.

So, is the claim that dancers are not doing their job as well as they use to? Or, is the expectation that dancers should cater more to customers than they use to to get the club busier?

The details of the original post to this thread also implicated management attitude. The dancers received a note from management that they disliked.

I'm usually sympathetic to the concerns of rank-and-file workers, when management is too heavy-handed with the "enthusiasm" speeches, because it often looks to me like the management is trying to replace the need for GOOD ORGANIZATION and a GOOD BUSINESS PLAN with simply jawboning and blaming the employees. So, for example, if a Domino's or a Papa John's is doing poorly and has a manager who yells at his workers all the time about how they have to "really care about the product" and "commit to the meaningful family membership" and other bullshit like that, I'm going to guess that the problem isn't due to lack of rank-and-file enthusiasm, it's due to poor management, maybe poor investment decisions, bad advertising that has failed to draw revenue, disorganized shift scheduling, etc.. In fact, they often demand greater enthusiasm in the face of exactly that, a high level of enthusiasm but nothing else, when for example the staff is already giving extra but needs better management to support their efforts by directing that extra toward profitability. So, usually, I've noticed that when someone jawbones about "commitment" and "enthusiasm" it's because he doesn't know what to change in order to bring about improved performance, and he doesn't want to admit to himself that he, and not the staff, is the problem.

In this case, however, I don't know if the dancers' complaints about management's note fit that model. Is management being unreasonable by demanding more enthusiasm from the dancers? Or is it a reasonable expectation, because the dancers' lack of enthusiasm is genuinely causing poor profits? Is there a demonstrable causal link in this case?

My opinion is that it has nothing to do with the dancers. Clubs are hurting in the same way bars, restaurants, clubs, concerts etc. are hurting because people have less disposable income. It is further exacerbated by the fact that when people were getting money for free and had few places to spend it, many stopped overspending and paying by credit card. They remain out of the habit now. Dancers are pretty much the same to me, except for the obesity epidemic, but I don't see that as the cause because a lot of guys seem to like fat girls. In the early 90s clubs were pretty vacant. Bad economy. Starting in the mid 90s to the mid/late 0s, clubs were packed to the rafters because of the economy. The real estate crash made them vacant again. Wait until the market and the Real estate market crash and clubs will disappear.

Combination of both. Times are tough and slow, but also dancers seem way more disinterested nowadays than I remember them being in the past. Also, in the past, if I was really interested in a dancer I almost didn't care about anything other than her beauty. But times are much different now. There are many things distract me from liking a lot of dancers that I either ignored or weren't that noticeable in the past. Now I see lots of dancers with very low energy, bad vibes, and annoying personalities. Also, when I see a dancer focused on one customer a lot or too much, that discourages me from even ever approaching her because I know she'll never really be interested in me other than a pity lap dance. But there ARE dancers who actually show repeated interest in me and those are the ones worth going to clubs for.

Well if it is, indeed, the fact that clubs are more lame now (because of the economy, or not), what is going to replace them. I personally seek an in-person experience with attractive women; I can fulfill that search through strip clubs, mostly. Will something else arise to fill the void?

I think people on this thread are vastly misjudging "the economy," or at least not appreciating its complexity. There is no shortage of hot girls in America's big cities and college towns, so if dancer quality has indeed declined like y'all contend, then it is because ladies are finding dancing relatively unappealing compared to yesteryear's cohort.

Now it might be that white collar men are feeling a bit less secure and more be reluctant to spend on declining value.

If there is a solution, it has to be that clubs find a way to both raise dancer income and provide a better experience for PLs.

This means finding mechanisms to breakdown the dancer on phone problem, but also playing with prices (including dancer house fees) enough to encourage greater supply of high quality dancers.

The sad simple fact is that no amount of money can create something that doesn't exit any longer and what no longer exists is a lot of attractive people of either gender. People are fat, plastic and fucked up now, I mean really fat. So fucking fat that even changes clothing sizes hasn't made it appear they aren't. Instead of bashing the ladies, lets look at professional men. In 1970 the average weight of an NFL lineman was 254 pounds. The biggest guys 50 years ago averaged 254. The biggest. Now it is 314, Average. It reflects society. If the biggest, most athletic guys are fat slobs with a gut, why would the women be any different?