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4 years ago
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rickduganVerified and Certifiable Super-Reviewer
This has been my experience as well, even at clubs I do not frequently visit. In comparison to the hundy's I'm ready to throw down to a dancer for above and beyond service, spreading 20 to 30 singles over an hour or two is small investment that yields big results when they are really needed.
And I'm also confused by guys who bitch about a $5 or $10 increase in door fees when they area already planning on spending hundreds on dances. I'd complain about a 35% increase in VIP fees before I do about a 35% or higher increase in the door fee.
Finally, I pre-tip the parking valet if there is one. I want the guy to know I'm a good custy before he slams my car around the lot, especially if the parking are is near the self-park spaces inhabited by pre-gaming alcoholic slobs.
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4 years ago
Underground clubs have been around far longer than the pandemic, and not just in Miami. I can remember being at a Scores in NY around 2001 and getting a "special" invite from one of the bouncers to an after-hours location. My buddy and I hoped into a stretch Hummer along with 12-ish others and we were dropped off at a rundown warehouse around 3 am. The party there was just getting started as off duty dancers, bartenders and PL's were still arriving. $50 to the bartender got you what ever you wanted to drink for 60 minutes. And there were several temp rooms set up where you could meet a dancer of your choice for whatever you negotiated. No house fees, no bouncers, and (as far as I could tell) no cameras. Each room had a fishbowl full of condoms and a few boxes of tissues next to it. My assumption is the location changed often and you had to know someone to find it and get in.
Fun times.
So not surprising to see this continue under COVID.
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4 years ago
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Jascoimr.wonderful to single moms and college age girls...
... asking for a friend.
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4 years ago
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Jascoimr.wonderful to single moms and college age girls...
@Eve, are you implying you don't like holding something hard in your hand? :p
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4 years ago
Appreciate the comments. For clarity, I am definitely NOT a foot fetish guy. I don't understand why some people are, and I don't really want to.
I would have been much happier if she'd used her hands, but the fact that she could get me there with her feet is a testament to her skill, rather than my preferences.
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4 years ago
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EveWhere there's a hole, there's a way. [HIATUS]
When you head (pun probably intended :p) to Los Angeles, I'm your Cat!
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4 years ago
@skibum609,
Given the types of clubs I've visited in Omaha, I wonder why you didn't go the extra few miles across the river to the Iowa Playhouse?
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4 years ago
Not counting my many, many trips from LA to TJ, which is 160 miles and takes about 3 hours:
Longest distance for me was on a business trip in 2010, from Orlando to Ybor City. Took about 90 minutes. Worth it.
Longest time was from the San Fernando Valley north of LA to King Henry VIII in Hawthorne. 31 miles took me 2.5 hours. Traffic in LA sucks. Also worth it.
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4 years ago
@whodey,
My consistent practice is to ignore trolls, because I give absolutely zero fucks what a troll thinks of me.
If I was worried that I might lose the ability to sneak into the Dancer group, I wouldn't have made this post.
If you feel compelled to shoot back at me for this comment, you will find me returning to my practice of giving zero fucks about trolls and ignoring your comments.
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4 years ago
@rickdugan,
I was just browsing around the site under the new format. Trying all GROUP links. Didn't expect to see what I saw. That's why I called it out to @Founder.
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4 years ago
Well said!
@Founder, should this become the New Reviewer's "start here" page?
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4 years ago
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EveWhere there's a hole, there's a way. [HIATUS]
@Eve,
Wonderful article. Thank you.
I've seen couples or small groups of women at clubs many times. I always assumed they were cool and didn't give it another thought. Of course I've heard the anecdotes of couples coming in to snag a stripper for an OTC three-way, and I always wonder if the couple expected the dancer to play for free...
For my part, I've attended with female friends and/or mixed groups a few times over the last 30+ years. No hassles or problems and a few times one or more of the women in my group found a dancer that (at least said she) was into it. Off they went for a bunch of dances, and all seemed happy after... And there was a time about 2 years back when I brought my then sugar baby in at her request. She never said it, but I suspected she was bi (which I consider as wonderful!). We met a dancer who clicked well with both of us and I took all 3 of us back for about 30 minutes of VIP. It was off the hook: hands, nipples, tongues, and various other pink parts all sliding around together. My SB had about 3 orgasms, and I was treated to a double HJ with a split facial to cap off the session. A real bucket list event that was spontaneous and amazing.
So based on your article, I'll count myself lucky to be on the good side of your observations.
I really think I if we ever get to travel again, I need hang with you and buy you a beer just to hear more of your stories. They rock!
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4 years ago
Well, that's just about the best review for Ling Ling I've ever seen! :p
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4 years ago
Just to clarify, there's a big difference between getting a '2 on me' floor dance for maybe $20 each dancer, and a '2 on me' VIP that costs $300 to $600 split between the dancers.
I'll throw down for $40 deal just about any time to get a cheap "audition" from two dancers at once. But unless I know I'll be getting dual extras in VIP I will always decline.
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4 years ago
@Cashman123,
Weeding through many fake profiles hoping to find what you are looking for is the nature of Seeking. But you can be very successful with care and patience. And for me, the successes far outweigh the work needed to find a perfect (or at least really good) match. With experience you can reduce the churn and increase the deal close rate.
If you just want a menu-like list where you can book a guaranteed hour, pay 4 figures for that short time fun and the go home, use the established porn star escort sites. If you want to actually date a porn star (or a 18-30-ish "civilian" hottie) and have a (unorthodox) relationship with her, use Seeking and put in the work to find your best results.
Note you can find porn stars (and strippers and waitresses and college students and office workers) who are open to a sugar daddy deal off the site... but it takes a lot more finesse and care in approaching them.
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4 years ago
Have you considered talking to them nicely and offering a hot beverage?
Iguanas need love, just like the rest of us... :p
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4 years ago
@RandomMember
Not sure how many PS's live in Denver, but I doubt the number is very high. That may explain why you don't see them creeping on to SA...
@CJKent
Actually, when I thought about it, I closed the deal with 5. But I only have pics with 4. I could show you the pics (and short vids) of them - some were pics of us together at dinner or other date-like locations - some in a much more intimate setting, including one vid with her saying "Daddy just came in me," and a phone-camera pan down to show the dripping proof. But you know I'm not likely to share those or even contemplate that on a semi-public forum like this. The 5th PS I mentioned was my worst experience yet - bad sex, bad attitude, there for the wrong reasons. I did not repeat and took no pics.
As to PS orgies, sadly, these were all separate 1-on-1 sessions. ok, it's not sad at all. :p But no 5-way orgy for me. Though one did promise to bring an occasional industry friend by - but about a week after than she went total BSC on me and I had to dump her. As it turned out, she was a trainwreck in the industry as well, and was black listed a week after I dumped her. She moved out of state and I don't think she been in any more professional vids since then.
You are correct that sex is nothing like what you see in a porn vid. But that doesn't mean it's always worse. Far from it. As for allowance... that varies as you might expect. But meeting through SA usually means there is no agency or booker involved, so she doesn't need to split the funds. I have never paid more than $700 for what turned out to be an 8-hour date that included multiple indoor events.
So I guess it's - sorry I have to say it - YMMV.
To find potential PS's on SA, try keyword searches for: porn, pornstar, adult model, performer, etc.
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4 years ago
Yes, there are porn stars on SA, especially in Los Angeles, Miami, Las Vegas, and San Francisco, which are major US hubs for porn production.
- The list includes A-list and lower performers. In LA there are active profiles now for Savannah Six, Kat Dior, and a few more. In the past 4 years, I have seen at least 10 other profiles in LA.
- Some porn starts are escorts, some are not. Some porn stars on SA are also escorts, some are not. Some porn stars have a "fuck a fan" program, where she brings a camera, crew, release forms, etc. to your location. You need to be tested and agree to be filmed. You can keep the only copy of the video for one price, or let her sell it and you pay a lower price. And some porn stars date outside of the industry, while other do not.
- In other words, porn stars are just like anyone else - except they have sex for a living.
- Expected allowance for a porn star sugar baby varies as much as it does for non-porn stars on SA, although they may skew 20-40% higher than "civvie" SB's. However, some A-List porn stars are subject to the same GPS that some of the hottest strippers have and expect a Daddy to pay extraordinary amounts of money, take them on luxury travel, pay for designer crap, etc. For these GPS queens, you'll be better off passing, unless you absolutely MUST bang her to cross off a bucket list item.
-Note that a PS who escorts, especially those who are UTR, usually uses an agency or booker who takes a substantial amount of the fee. So booking a PS escort through that path usually costs much more ($1,200 up to $3,500 or higher) for ONE hour, and generally one "conclusion." A date with a porn star through SA is more like a date with any woman. You will spend several hours together doing date-like activities, and the date usually includes sex.
- Over my time on SA, I have connected with no less than 6 porn stars and closed the deal with 4 of them. I still see one today, when she is in my area. These have been full-day dates that work more like a GF date than a hooker date. But to put this into context, I have had at least 40 sugar baby arrangements over the last 8 years. Some were bang and go, some lasted a few weeks or months, and a few lasted over 2 years. I can tell you that getting to have sex with a porn star is NO guarantee of an amazing, once-in-a-lifetime experience. What looks good on a video may not translate into mind-blowing sex in your bedroom. But then again, it could.
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4 years ago
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founderslip a dollar in her g-string for me
Good progress. I'm still processing the "tile" view versus the old list format. But it seems be easy to understand and use.
I'd like to see my set location as the default view (rather than "worldwide") when I go to the Listings page. It's easy to navigate to my location, but it's not quick.
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4 years ago
All I know about them is that I come out of one when I was born and I've been trying to get back in one ever since.
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4 years ago
Bacon? Yes!
More bacon? Yes!
Still more bacon? Yes!
[repeat above ad infinitum]
I buy the microwave bacon that comes 4 strips in a plastic pouch with an internal pad that absorbs the grease. No mess. Cook less for softer, more for crisper bacon. Add it to sandwiches, salads, hot dogs, omelets, even chili, soups, Bloody Mary's, even onion dip.
I've tried many of the bacon seasonings available - they are all terrible. Not recommended.
@desertscruob thanks for the tip about www.baconfreak.com. I shall indulge post haste.
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4 years ago
Ok, someone needs to say it. This is not intended as to demean you. It's intended as constructive coaching:
Grow some balls. A CF is NOT a girl friend.
She is a stripper, you are a PL. That's it. You may prefer her over other strippers and she may (appear to) prefer you over other PL's, but that doesn't change either of your objectives. You want hot chicks rubbing your junk and paying adoring attention to you. She wants MONEY, hopefully without having to deal with assholes.
Nothing in your description of her behavior is out of alignment with her objective. When she dropped her level of (fake) devotion to you, it's because your behavior has shown her you are officially "her bitch." So she checks in and says nice things to you, then hustles off to get 'mo money' from other PL's knowing she can drain your wallet when the club slows down. If you go to a steak house, you don't expect your wait person to sit at your table and watch you eat, do you? No difference here.
You were absolutely correct to start spending time and money on other strippers. But when she tried to guilt you for it a better response by you would been "You were too busy for me so I moved on to that hottie over there. It's cool. You gotta make your night. So I'll go hang out with Candy/Tiffany/Aja/Diamond/etc. and maybe I'll have time for a dance with you later... if I still have any cash."
She will get the message. And while she's chewing on that and trying to figure out how to put you back in the "chump" zone, you'll be getting dances (and more?) from other strippers and spending "her" budgeted dollars on YOUR enjoyment.
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4 years ago
Never show my stack. Just a bad idea. Learned that the hard way in Tijuana 30 years ago, but the lesson applies in any club.
In fact, I split my money up into different pockets.
-One has $1's and maybe a few $5's or $10's. I'll take this out to throw an occasional tip on stage - especially if I want to get a dancer's attention by tipping $10+-ish. If a dancer is sitting with me, and we are talking about a dancer on stage, I might even hand the dancer with me $5 to tip the stage. Goodwill for all.
-Another pocket will have my budgeted funds for VIP's in $20's. I only take this out in the VIP to pay.
-And one more pocket (or my wallet) will have my *contingency funds in $20's or $100's. I only take this out in a booth in the men's room, or somewhere I know I cannot be seen by a dancer - like the outdoor smoking area when it's empty. *NOTE: I was going to say my "extra" funds but that's what the VIP stack is for. :)
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4 years ago
Backwards for me:
1. I banged a porn star who turned stripper. Then she got fired for offering in-club BJ's on her Snapchat.
2. And I banged another porn star who started feature dancing in her state.
3. And I banged another porn star who feature danced in the same state as the porn star from #2.
4. And then there was an ex Sugar Baby who stripped part time, and would get an occasional invite up at the club to party with a bunch of NBA players in Beverly Hills - usually leaving the the next morning with $10k-$20k in cash. Hence, the "ex".
Not bragging... if I was bragging, I'd talk about the other 3 porn stars I have banged.
Ok... bragging.
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4 years ago
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shailynnThey never tell you what you need to know.
What a dick!
I mean the thief, not the dick. :P