Comments by IrishLad

I had a similar reaction. I used to love this place for value. $10 couch, $10 dances. I'd go get 20 dances if I found the right girl over a couple of hours, or hit the $35 VIP (where dances were $20) if I really liked her. Now? $25 for a decent seat on the main floor, $20 dances, $60 VIP? That's all just not worth it. You can pay the same for much hotter dancers at the Rose or P10. You can pay the same or even less for more mileage and privacy at XTC or Divas. Not sure what the long term play is for this place. I wish them luck.

...now blocked off

Dang, have to roll some some of this back already after a quick visit today. That upper area that they had made available for lap dances is not blocked off, bottle service only. This was on a Tuesday when the club was almost completely empty. So $20 lappers are on the regular floor seats only. VIP is $80 for 3 songs or $120 for 5. Probably change tomorrow. To me this is immensely stupid. I'd probably drop $200 for 7 or 8 good dances but I'm not committing up front. This dance earns the next one.

I'm not sure the question is "hot young girl" vs. "attractive older woman". FFS she's 30 :-) The way I read this the question is "committed exclusive relationship" vs. "more casual non-committal intimate relationship". Step 1 is deciding which of those you are looking for. Step 2 is deciding if you want what you want with the particular women offering it. Personally, I find the idea of exclusive long term sugar daddy relationship (you made it clear hot young thing is partly in it for the financial pampering) to be a little silly. Is the idea to fall hard and eventually get dumped or to lie?

I absolutely do not go to strip clubs to get laid. The tease and turn on is what I'm there for.

"I know that dancers are at risk moreso than the general population" That sounds wrong, unless you mean strippers are more likely to be promiscuous. The risk of HIV transmission from lap dancing is exactly zero. The risk of HIV from a hand job is also exactly zero (you can make a long shot purely theoretical argument for how it might be possible but there has literally never been a recorded incident of this occurring). Even the risk of HIV transmission from a BBBJ is nearly zero unless she has open wounds in her mouth and even then it is very low. Bear in mind that viruses are more fragile than bacteria and saliva is a chemically active digestive fluid (converts starches to sugar). Even other more common diseases rarely transmit from less than sex. Herpes for sure is riskier from BBBJ because a mouth can be the site of infection, but the kind of herpes that most commonly infects the genitals is actually a different strain that infects the mouth. It is possible to get genital herpes in the mouth and oral herpes in the genitals, but that is very very rare. Generally speaking, the vast majority of STDs are transmitted, not surprisingly, through actual sex. Also generally speaking viruses are much harder to pass than bacterial infections (e.g. chlamydia, syphilis, gonorrhea can potentially be caught through BJs or other very intimate but "less than actual sex" activities where bodily fluids get into your mouth or the tip of your penis). But you can't get anything at all from a lap dance, no matter how much she grinds her damp g-string over your hard on through your khakis. It doesn't "seep through".

Sex is 80%+ psychological. Maybe 99%. What turns you on, what you see as attractive, it's all in your head. If you think you're tired of it, you will be. If you think of your sexuality as an infinitely renewable resource generated from within then shared with hot naked girls, no it can never run out.

Both and equally, as they each result in me not getting a good dancer and sitting by myself with my big fat hard wallet wondering wtf? "Like some company" or somesuch is what I am waiting for.

I had it at OG Vegas as well. Asked a girl for a dance, she started fondling another girl while dancing for me, fine. After one song they demanded 2 songs each. I laughed, gave girl 1 a $20 and told her we were done. She called the bouncer. I told him she was trying to rip me off and that i was leaving, he seemed to think that was a viable solution. Sad but just, I spend several hundred dollars minimum when I go to a club in Vegas, that night it ended up being Cheetahs :-) If the bouncer had tried to make me pay up I seriously doubt I would have changed my position. If he tried to detain me physically I'd call the cops on the spot.

Nobody got it right yet, I'll give you a precise translation... "May I pleeeeasse have $4,500, you seem dumb/gullible/soft enough to maybe give it to me and I can tell you like me so I thought...hey, why not give it a shot". That is all. It might have been a proposition but you eliminated that likely interpretation.

Is a women who takes $20 for a quickie a whore? Is an "escort" who takes $500 for "her time" then takes you home for a night of hot sex a whore? Is a stripper who chats with you for hours, then meets you after "work", sleeps with you, then accepts a gift to "help out with the rent" a whore? Is a stripper who you buy 10 dances from then decides to generously give you a quick blow job in VIP a whore? Is an attractive women with little income you meet, take out to dinner and a Broadway show spending $500 on then sleeps with you because she likes being treated like that and wants you to do it again a whore? Is the hot girl who dates you for a year because you're successful and have a prestigious job, while you regularly wine her, dine her and pay to get her car repaired when she needs it, even though she's not all that attracted to you physically a whore? Is your live in girlfriend who is an artist that makes no money, so you support her and who sleeps with you regularly a whore? Is the women you meet in a good college who gets a worthless degree in Literature with no intent of ever working but is hunting for "Mr. Right", meets you and decides to marry you because you fit her profile of a success oriented provider with the right background, major and career goals a whore? I bet it would be hard to get to people to agree where to draw the line. Sometimes the "whore" is just more honest, less expansive and maybe less savvy variation of a very common theme.

First, no. Never. Ever hear the term "Internet Tattoo"? You'll be able to find your posts 50 years from now. That said, ignore it. Do your job. Take your position and excel. If it comes up in some undeniable way (and it probably won't), look them right in the eye and ask how it is relevant? As long as this isn't a daycare company or church you are probably fine, maybe even by law. The way things are going we're all going to know what everyone else does soon enough, and to be honest, this will change our ideas of what is OK. Propriety (the appearance of virtue) is going out the window and in a giant glass house world, being a guy who gets lap dances is...well...boring.

rickdugan is clearly jacking with you. He might be sincere and profoundly confused...but considering the over the top dramatic guilt laying in his posts, I'm going to go with jacking with you.

In TX sitting by the stage does not mean you don't want dances. That said I rarely go for "wanna dance", the better experiences usually begin with "hi would you like some company".

Tell them. They should ask to join you, but after a few minutes something along the lines of "So...I'm just going to relax and enjoy my beer for a while" usually does the trick. Shes a fool to get bent if you don't buy a dance under any circumstances and to be honest 90% of the time its just manipulation.

Yeah, it hit me right around puberty.

"My fellow Detroiters always remind me that this stuff can happen at any club in any city. It's sad, tragic and becoming all too common." Heh. Kinda made me laugh. I'll try to remember not to get drunk and scream racial slurs at the bouncers in public, but then again I doubt I could ever get THAT drunk.

I've never considered just paying for time. BUT having been to clubs in many states, I have always gotten the impression that drinks are the currency for this kind of thing. (Overpriced) Drinks for chat, dollars for dances. I do tend to let dancer's know if a dance is likely any time soon to help them decide how they want to spend their time. Just a polite "I'm not going to do any dances for a while I think, do you want a drink" if I want her to hang around. To be honest, I usually don't want her to hang around if I don't want a dance from her.

"Lame. Got one more dance hoping things would improve..." They literally never do.

So...basically VIP or GTFO here now? Is this even a club worth going to for a drink and say $100-$200 worth of dances over an hour or two? I suppose I need to research that for myself, have not been since the big remodel.

They do seem to be trying to shoot themselves with the seating up charges. Really there isn't a decent spot in the club to spend money on dances that doesn't come with a significant charge from the club. Only tiny saving grace I can think of is that they don't always enforce it during slower times.

Last time I was there... Her: "Dances are $25" Me: "No they are not" The talent here is finally improving after a long dry spell, but man is management trying hard to milk you. Pretty much all of the decent seating, nothing special just say, against a wall or anywhere upstairs, is now "VIP". No decent lap dance area.

There are no free dances so you were going to pay...BUT the rate is $20 not $50...and no touching means either say no if you catch on right away or she says so before the dance or at worst send her off after 1.

"Another girl told me she wouldn't quote her price until after I had paid for the cabana." I admit it, I chuckled at that one. Better to spend $100 for the Cabana and then invite the girls to dance for you for $20/dance in "your" Cabana.

The Tuesday specials + the condom signs sound so much like Bottoms Up I wonder if they have the same owners?