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18 years ago
First non normal experience was a number of years ago at a club in Southern Pines, NC. The non normal was the attention I got from my dancer. In the middle of the club don't remember the name but it was pretty big and had a balcony around the club inside.
Friend and I were sitting having a beer at a table. Two guys and a smoking hot blonde were sitting next to us, the blonde was in the middle and I think she was giving both of them some hand action. Anyway they had a pitcher of beer on the table, standard fair back then. In walks this smoking hot redhead in shorts, heels and a revealing top. She looks around the club, spots the guy next to me and walks up to the table. Pulls open her top and says this is what you have and you come here? Then she threw the contents of the beer pitcher in his face. Still rates as my most memorable non sexual club moment. lol I got beer on me - her aim wasn't good and she came over top still open and got several napkins and wiped the beer off of me. I should have got her number lol
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18 years ago
Well first I think that lots of times we do the club and the dancer a disservice when we tell of all the extra things that she did for us (all of us). Just a way to get them in trouble if we aren't careful and then poof all the fun goes away. However I would direct you to the disclaimer at the bottom of the board - All reviews and comments on this site should be considered works of fiction.
I assume that you are a dancer. Let us in on your dances, how you like to be treated and what you think the limits of a club should be.
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18 years ago
Probably bad sport to post twice in a row. First let me apologize to the question starter. You could be a club owner or patron and I assumed you were a dancer.
The real issue. The patrons fall into several categories, one who wants to go nurse a few beers, tip at the stage once in a while and watch, a group who just want to go in get drunk and misbehave (the younger crowd), the guys who enjoy the hobby and want to go in check out the club maybe to find a really hot dancer that they like for lap dances.
The issue on prostitution - it is more or less viewed as a victimless crime. The escorts are generally not harassed nor are the clubs - once in a while the police get enough local pressure to do something from the religious right. The street hookers, yes they get hassled and they should.
As for the 'extras' in the clubs. First 95% of the legitimate escorts will spent 1 hour with you in private for $250. If we go into a club, we pay an entry, high prices for drinks and then we are susposed to pay $25 each for 4 minute air dances?? Let's be real about what the true economics are here. A club isn't a good bargin for sex of any kind (99% of the time) - excepting Adelita's in Tijauna. The dancer who does the extras is willing and wanting to please the customer and justify the high price. The club allows it because they get a cut of her take in, they get to serve expensive drinks, they get to charge to get into the VIP and they get lots of return clients.
I enjoy the thrill of getting to see lots of hot women take off most or all of their clothes and the excitement of getting something that is fun - be it a lap dance, an extra or even extra attention at the stage. It's one of my forms of entertainment.
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18 years ago
Chandler same problem with the same club lol Mine was not that long ago. I just figured I had the address how hard could it be. Didn't know street numbers above and below the river were opposite. Plus you are right it wan't worth it. My worse time was trying to find a now gone club in Sioux City, Iowa. Buddy and I were staying downtown and heard about this great club (only 2 in town) lol. We drove around with the lame directions another friend had given us for an hour. Downtown is a square with one way streets and we couldn't find it. Finally stopped at a liquor store and he went in to ask while I got some advil out of my suitcase. Came back and said two chicks were working in there. I say so guess you didn't find out. He said no I asked and they told me lol.. Turns out it was about 2 blocks from our hotel on a one way. We had been within 100 yards of it probably 10 times. lol It was more like a neighborhood bar that has a small stage with topless dancers. Great place.
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18 years ago
I definitely like the new site improvements. I don't currenly have a paid VIP membership but will convert just to show my appreciation. Heck the Founder of the site has to make money to give the dancers too.
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18 years ago
If this is a one on one session, you have probably booked a dancer not a FS escort. If it's for a party then refer to the other comments made. If it is indeed for a one on one session, cancel and call a real independent escort. You can find one in your are on www.bigdoggie.net and you will know the price and the service up front as well as what the companion will look like.
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18 years ago
Having been to clubs from Alaska to Florida, I can tell you that there is no standard anywhere lol The BYOB clubs do consistently tend to have a higher cover charge as you might expect. I would say that half of the clubs that I go to that servce alcohol have no admission during the day but as I mentioned there is no standard. I know at the PP in Memphis on crowded night (esp weekends you pay a cover at the door and have to buy your two drink beer minimum befor you enter the door). That's a good reason to turn around and leave because you aren't gonna get a seat and no deals will be found lol
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18 years ago
First like many of the others I always negotiate for multiple dances unless I'm just feeling out a new dancer and then I always wait for a 2 for 1. When I enter a club I have a preset amount that I am willing to spend for that days entertainment. Admittedly the beer goggles can take over but usually I only take that amount into the club and leave other forms of money back in my room or home. ATM is too tempting when you get the googles on and a hot thing is hanging on your arm. I've found that if I control the spending I never am pissed off on my way back to my home or hotel. If I don't I'll drive back and think darn - I could of had a three some with 2 porn stars for what I spent lol but that was on a weekend in Vegas and that's another story lol
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18 years ago
I can't speak for all clubs sexkitten but it seems to me that in 90% of the clubs I have been in the dancers fit into 3 categories 1) the drug addict who has to work to make lots of cash to support her or her boyfriends habit 2) the young girl who got kicked out of her house, get pregnant and has no education or husband but a kid to raise or 3) the ones who enjoy the thrill of stripping and making lots of money doing it. I guess that you could also add a category of the ones who are too lazy to be working at somewhere making $8.50 / hour and figure hey I can work here and make lots more.
I do think that some of the clubs exploit the dancers, some charge much like the old coal mining towns, money for a locker, money for outfits, drinks, shifts, etc. However lots of clubs I have been told (by the dancers) just charge them a flat fee daily to dance. Granted most of these clubs serve alcohol and have a door fee but they make lots of money on those things. A club charging $6 for a beer or a bottle of water is making a load of money. Add to that $8 bucks a head to get in and probably $50 each shift per dancer - well do the math. Those clubs don't care what the dancers do and how much they earn, they get their money from the other things and keep in mind that they get 99% cash so they probably report about half of that to the IRS and pocket the rest.
So I guess you can say the dancers get used, the patrons get used and the clubs get used.
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18 years ago
Being older myself I find that I have little preference as long as they are over 21. Funny 10 years ago I didn't like the young ones preferred the ones who were 25 to 30 more the vets of the clubs. However now I find that the vets are either really good and we all know them or most of them are just going through the motions.
The newer versions tend to try harder to please. I think that Bones might have mentioned that one dancer felt that if she did really good dancers at reasonable (as dances go) prices then she would be able to make twice as much money. She's a smart one. You always have the 9's who want the huge bucks for a crappy dance who feel that you have insulted them to ask for a 2 for 1. They eventually either are pissed all the time or find that idiot with the bucks who doesn't care or know any better and get their bucks - these tend to come in pairs I notice.
Give me a solid looker with a good body who will work hard to please her customer. I can live with her being a lot younger than me lol
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18 years ago
My experience is close to 0 pay any. I'm a CPA by education and I've had this conversation with a few of them. Told them to make quarterly payments on at least a little of what they make, deduct the club payouts etc. I had one complaining about not being able to get a car and another about getting charged 25% (yes) interest to buy a car. That's where lots of these girls get taken advantage of.
SexKitten wants to bitch and moan about explotation of these women, well in many cases they bring it on themselves. I had a dancer who talked to me a lot when I was in town who was in an auto accident. The insurance company for the other driver paid some, very few of her medical bills but wouldn't pay her lost time since she couldn't prove her earnings.
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18 years ago
Once in a while I'll hit a club like that too. I've found that there are definitely diamonds in the rough. Some of the girls just don't realize that if they went to Vegas, Tampa, Atlanta, NY, etc. they could be making a fortune doing less. I was in a club in Alabama, don't even remember the name of it, hole in the wall, looked like crap, almost afraid to stop in (by myself). Got up the courage, stopped in and it was like I expected, couple of pool tables, redneck crowd, ugly girls - tatoos were a priority over dental work lol All of a sudden this drop dead beautiful tall blonde walks over and sits next to me. First thing she wanted to make sure of was that I wasn't a cop. After offering to show her whatever would prove that to her (lol) she relaxed and spent 30 minutes talking with me. She then took me back to the VIP area where no one was getting any dances and gave me a really good topless dance for $10 and asked if I wanted more dances. lol I did and she did. I told her the same thing, what in the heck are you doing here. Then I found out that her boyfriend was the bartender lol WOW I left soon after that.
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18 years ago
Hey Bones I found your club........they have 3 songs for $100 with BJ's included. The songs are 20 seconds long so you should be okay. lol Just kidding I know you could make it through 30 second songs. lol This man deserves a ribbing - he was throwing pepermints at me in a club while I was getting a dance lol
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18 years ago
First let me state that I am a legs man first and foremost. That being said, the first thing that draws your attention of a dancer on stage is her tits lol. The reason I think is you are waiting to see that top come off, then if it's a nude club you are waiting to see that bottom come off or if not you want to see her turn around and check out her ass.
I have noticed that the high stages and lights really tend to make a skinny dancer with a reasonable rack look more shapely and when a dancer with curves (one who weighs 130 versus one who weighs 110) gets up there the same thing makes her look heavy. When you go to the stage to tip you get the real view. That's one reason I like a club that has a good tipping routine - Platinum Plus in Memphis is awesome at this. When you walk up there you get to really see the dancer for a couple of minutes and you find out what she really looks like and you also find out lots of time how she will be in the VIP.
I'm totally off subject ass and legs for me and curvy.
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18 years ago
In reality all the clubs should treat the wait staff and dancers the same and pay them the minimum wage for that profession which I think is $2.25 / hour - then the additional tips are the responsibility of the waitress or dancer. The reason that they should is it gets them off the hook with the IRS. The reason they don't is that then the dancers become employees and you have work comp issues, drug issues - which exist already but would have to be enforced consistently and other things they don't want to deal with.
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18 years ago
Thanks Founder. I would suggest that several of us get off our lazy asses and get some action (not lp types) from the girls so we can get their opinions.
Maybe I should actually read the rules once in a while lol nah
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18 years ago
Mine was in a club in Dallas that I won't name. It was actually a tableside lap dance arranged by my drunk friends. Metal backed chairs, dancer climbed on my lap, her legs on my thighs and put her overly ample breasts right in my face or actually my face right between them. I sort of leaned back, taken by surprised, the chair turned over she fell on me and I ended up in the emergency room with a strained back. What a way to end a road trip. lol
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18 years ago
I really prefer to have a beer in the clubs but I also like the all nude clubs. If you are in Tampa you can have one of the two lol It turns into a long night for me when you sit and are drinking one sprite after another, and usually it turns into bathroom break after bathroom break since lots of the 'juice' clubs have a bottomless cup policy.
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18 years ago
Curious what is the Pink Site? You know it's funny I was in the Tunica club with Bones the other day and he had printed off the reviews of the club for the girls. Not a single one of them knew of the site. I was amazed. It was pretty darn funny to see some of them read the reviews especially his. lol
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18 years ago
In my opinion the Vegas clubs are pretty lame. Cheetahs, Olympic Gardens and Spearmint Rhino are your best bets but you will get nothing to write home about. Check the board reviews if you are a VIP. If you aren't feel free to email me about other options.
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18 years ago
After looking at the other site I can to the opinion that you mentioned so I tend to agree I doubt that we will get many that participate and very that participate in a meaningful manner. Sometimes my ideas aren't thought through as clearly as they should be lol This was after a visit to the Tunica Caberet and Bones had shown all the dancers a copy of the reviews and they seemed so interested that I thought wow they would really be interested in being a part of the chat. lol
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18 years ago
Thanks guys. I agree with the last comment that was made. For those of us who don't have regular clubs, we obviously don't have an ATF but there are several clubs that when I'm in the area I go there just to see one dancer and if possible I try to make sure she is working and if she isn't I probably don't go. I try to keep up with them via email which makes my visits more productive. I appreciate some of you 'regulars' sharing your ATF's with us peons from time to time.
In reality the girls that you pick as your ATF's generally are the same ones I like because face it, part of the reason you picked them is personality or you wouldn't hang with them - you'd be happy when they run off to dance and I like that too.
The other day I met Bones at the TC, first time I've ever taken advantage of the opportunity of meeting a fellow board member in a club. Great networking. You get to have someone with knowledge weed out the lame girls for you and you get to meet someone who hopefully you get to buy a couple of drinks for and become friends.
Unfortunately all I can do for any of you that come here is take you to a crappy club with 3 fat dancers with 8 teeth between them but I will buy you a drink or a dance for showing me hospitality in your home club.
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18 years ago
YES on several occasions. I think those of us who are more afternoon visitors probably have this happen. The only thing I don't like about it is that lots of times when the club is empty obviously no one is dancing and there is no music. If you are the only customer some places turn up the music and put up a dancer and some don't. In reality either way is okay with me for about 20 minutes until I settle in with my beer. At least you get the attention of the dancers when you're flying solo. lol
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18 years ago
FONDL no little wifey to explain to so that wasn't a problem. The club offered to pay for the emergency room costs in Dallas but I figured it might be better just to take the hit on this one. I told the insurance company that I had tipped over a chair in a bar and gave as little infomation as possible lol
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18 years ago
Used to be hands down no contest. The Million Dollar Fantasy Ranch in the town of Warrensburg about 30 miles from Kansas City. Last time I was there it had gone down hill but the board indicates it's coming back. If you like those fresh faced midwestern girls it's your place.