When even the Detroit and Miami guys are starting to bitch you know we're not in the golden years. Seems like everybody chirping though. Anybody thrilled with what's going on in their backyard right now?
In the main, yes. Recently more as shopping trips for girls willing to do OTC than pure enjoyment of the club itself. To be clear, they're still fun, though.
We need to move to the Private Party / Membership Club Model.
This way we can get venues as good as Tijuana.
But to do this we need the legal software, the paper work, the contracts, the papers we show to LE when they challenge us. We need to make the cast that this is not a retail business, and so we have no premises, crew, or regular premises, so we are exempt from zoning or labor laws, as well as laws and public sex and lewd conduct laws.
Other people are doing this, like that Party in Manhattan. But we also have new places opening like Aces of Dallas, and old places converting like Furnace in Birmingham AL and a place in WV.
generally speaking no. my closest club has been a shit show for some time. the eye candy has been above average at some places but the performances are way down pretty much across the board since the before times.
My main club right now is filled with plastic positive dancers, most of whom carry their own lube and enjoy using it. As Vincent Vega once said, "Yeah, we happy."
The only change I dislike at Desire's is $6.00 beers. The best new thing is that there are less customers and slightly more dancers than before. This is all colored by the fact that Monday was one of my favorite experiences there since it opened in 1812.
Absolutely not, but it isn't new. I have been unhappy with Cincinnati clubs for the entire 20+ years since I started going to strip clubs.
My feelings on the clubs in the 4 cities (Louisville, Lexington, Columbus, Indianapolis) that I club in most often is a mixed bag. I am happy with the clubs in Louisville and Lexington. Columbus has been in a steady decline for almost 5 years but is still at least decent. Indianapolis has been very hit or miss since covid and my last couple of visits have been clear misses.
I live in San Diego. There hasn't been anything to like about local clubs for a very long time. When one of the 10 biggest cities in the US has 2 topless clubs with alcohol, what's to like about it?
I travel for work but also mix in personal stops during work trips to go to cities with better strip clubs.
There has been a slow ghettoization of the Indianapolis clubs and, as an old white guy, I feel increasingly out of place in them. The music is almost all very loud rap and the ghetto black girls are overly aggressive and quickly turn into the stereotypical angry black woman if I don't respond in just the right way to them. When talking to them, I feel like I'm walking across a field and any moment I might step on a land mine that will blow up on me.
Guys with money have mostly disappeared. Pretty young females won't show up for a bunch of broke guys so they have mostly disappeared too. I used to have lots of long term regulars but fewer dancers stay a long time now, since they make less money. There are still a few bright spots. We have more pretty Hispanic dancers now than we used to. There are three or four clubs that tourists go to that have held up. Last Saturday night I went to Red Garter downtown and got lap dances from a pretty blonde who told me she was a college economics major. The Indiana clubs outside Indianapolis are about the same and I've had nice visits to Anderson and Kokomo clubs recently.
Since Follies closed and Covid struck things in Atlanta have never been the same. Fewer dancers and quality down. Dance prices are about the same at most clubs but VIP costs have gone up 30-50%. I'm still going at least once a week but usually not staying very long. Only doing VIP 25-33% of the time. Keep hoping for better things.
Pnw indie clubs are pretty cool. They’re a bit divey (I like that) and heavy on the extras (I also like that). The main thing that sucks about them aside from the music is there’s no booze, but I’m philosophical about this… men + titties + booze = more problems, so I guess there is less bs because of this. Still, I’d like to be able to drink some whiskey while I get a kickass lap dance + pulley. You can’t have everything, I guess.
They're not trending downward. They're not worse that what they were pre-COVID (except for one).
I use to have a fav who'd get pretty wild on me during lappers. But, even with all the drama she had with the guys she was dating or hooking up with, it wasn't enough for her. She needed to have much drama with me too. It eventually got so I couldn't tolerate it. My other favs have been much lower drama, but their lappers are much more tame. So now I dream of a frankenstripper who gets wild, but is also low drama, and feel sorry for myself.
Thankfully it only takes one regular dancer to be satisfied, yet if she quits or moves on I will be forced to find another rentable or reliable stripper. She’s tired of men, but is so good at her job she makes me feel like it’s genuine so I have no complaints. Don’t have enough time to check things out beyond my regular.
I go to clubs less frequently than I used to but that’s not a reflection of my happiness level with local clubs. I think my local clubs are more or less about the same or on the same trajectory they’ve been on for a while.
I pretty much get to clubs once in a while now because it seems like more of a treat when I do, rather than going just to go. I’ve fallen into that rut before and I try to notice those ruts and adjust accordingly to get out of them. So if I’m not enjoying the clubs so much, I figure it’s probably me more than the club and I take a break and do something else. Sure, there are sometimes changes in clubs that I’m not thrilled about but they are usually small potatoes in the broader scheme of things.
Baltimore and Maryland have been tending down since maybe 2018 and covid hastened the decline. The two most notable changes have been the disappearance of $20 or $30 single song HM lap dances and a decline in club occupancy volume, both dancers and customers. You can get discount $20 dances at a couple places on Wednesdays but most single song dances are in the $35-40 range and not worth it, pushing you to better value in rooms. Extras and fun times are still available, but it takes time and money to search them out. One positive is that a number of DC clubs that were no touch now offer dances, bringing them in line with the rest of the country. They are still very expensive, but at least they are available.
I still enjoy my local clubs. I’m still quite happy.
I find it a great change - going to a strip club where nobody is wearing masks - it’s a relaxed atmosphere - and folks are friendly. Having women in bikinis dancing is an added bonus.
Also, the last time I went (in mid March), the dance prices were the same. I think it’s the one place where I’m not paying more - for less.
Dances and extras cost more? OMG OMG OMG news at 11. So a bj is now $100 instead of $75. I paid $1.59 per carton of eggs pre-pandemic and bidenflation means I spent $3.99 yesterday.
nicespice also diagnoses PL who don't want to keep their saliva to themselves with low self-esteem.
I think another trend is that table and stage dancing are making big comebacks among younger PLs. Not quite as tame as back in the 90s, but close. Dancers like it better, and young PLs are more likely to be into the music dancers want to dance to. Naturally seen as a bad trend among us geezers who dominated TUSCL.
Summer's almost here and it's time to start... My other hobbies that get me out of the house long enough to make stopping by convenient.
This time last year, club was mostly full of newbies, and I swear on several visits every damned one of them was at least letting me rub a little on the outside, but under the cloth. Most were encouraging Jr. to come out... One has me all up in it for a discounted dance price!!!
This year, some of them are still there, some of them are new again. They are on average, a lot more fun to look at. And not as much fun otherwise. Same girls, same club, same day of the week even, different rules.
but that place always kinda wavered back and forth like that a little bit... I suspect day shift is about the same, but doesn't fit my schedule.
(music's been on the downhill slide for years now... progressively getting worse... Some of the shit I've heard is even bad by rap standards... Guy mumbling about how he get high and fucked a bitch over the same sample track on repeat for 3 minutes.... at least it's not that bad locally but a couple years back visiting Memphis I swear that's what was passing for music.)
I'd say they're slightly less enjoyable than two years ago. To say I'm unhappy with them would be an overstatement though. My biggest two gripes are that they're much less consistent than before, and prices are up in a lot of places both in a nickel and dime sort of way and in room prices. And dayshift starts about 2-3 hours later, if it exists at all.
@skibum, I'd disagree on single visits to Club Desire, but in the aggregate you're right.
The Club Desire bouncer touched desertscrub on his tiny little pee pee and made it stand up, leaving him confused as to whether or not he was a real man. Hence his grudge against the place.
Going back to Heaving's comment about just sitting and shooting the breeze with a scantily-clad babe, I do miss that. That is so hard to find. Sure, the younger generations education and conversation skills have been declining since the Millenials, but I think 90% of the blame lies with *gasp* immigrants and cell phones.
Cell phones are obvious- they are addictive and self-reinforcing. You can get lost for hours in a rabbit hole of tik-tok videos and instagram posts.
The immigrants, especially from the Caribbean and Mexico, only know "Wanna dans?" If your answer isn't yes, then they move on. They do not know enough English to sit, talk, and shoot the breeze. Since I speak Spanish, I can make conversation if the girl is attractive enough (so many are just chubby), but they would prefer to congregate in groups on their phones. Other South Americans - primarily Brazil and Argentina- are more likely to drive conversation than other nationalities, but they also have GPS when it comes to quoting other prices.
Locally, clubs like Allure (formerly Babe's) is almost uniformly fuglies on the day side. It gets pretty dangerous at night, but they have had some more attractive dancers on that side. Vixens runs hot and cold on overall looks, but tattoos are a hot thing for their dancer and the ones I'm seeing are neither tasteful nor classy. Looker's just hasn't been the same since the remodel. The whole feng shui is off now, although they do have a few smokeshows dancing there.
Phoenix isn’t as good as 2 or 3 years ago but a good time can still be had. My previous favorite club is no longer in rotation but I found others with their own brand of fun. Good enough.
If we really want to talk about the golden age of Arizona strip clubs, the Tucson Candy Store from about 15 years ago. Better than Mitchell Brothers at its peak but one fifth the price.
I would forego presents for the rest of my life if the cowardly little pussy known as desert cocksucker came up here. We're taught to bruise the larynx. not crush it so the person cannot breathe, but who pays attention in class. Phonex lol: it's just a faggot version of Florida filled with foreigners, child molesters and other flotsam and jetsam.
In the club I went to enough both prior to shutdown and post the atmosphere is quite different and it seems like on average there are fewer girls working. From some of the stuff I've been reading I feel like a lot of other clubs have run into similar problems with getting girls to work. I think a lot of the complaining stems from just how different some clubs have become from pre covid standards.
We need to move to the Private Party / Membership Club model. But for this we need the legal software, the contracts and rule sheets, to see how it is being done and how people stay out of trouble.
If we do this, US venues can be as good as Tijuana
Translation: I've never been within restraining order distance of any strip clubs but that doesn't stop me from thinking I know how they should be run.
Private parties are already a thing. Some chain clubs throw invite only parties. There are crews that throw stripper parties. It's been a thing for years.
What make a post a troll post is there’s supposedly a topic yet other than a quick joke or snarky remark the trolls try to take the thread as far from its origins as possible
I’ll bet that’s also part of what’s slowing down this website
Instead of normal threads with 2-50 responses the jerks are opening and keeping open threads with hundreds of responses
Overall quality is down in Sacramento and Reno. A couple favorites keep me checking in, but dancer quality has fallen, even at the better clubs. Average looks have fallen and attitude has fallen even more. A lot of the dancers act entitled.
Get real. Everything sucks now. You could even argue the Armageddon has happened but not obviously that the average idiotic sheeple sees it. Have you driven around the roads in much of the country lately? It makes 1980s Tijuana look like Belair. Thats just one small example. The meedeeuh likes to select a few data points to claim "things are great." No, they aren't. And they are never going back to the America of the 1980s or 90s. We have become the "shithole" grandma and grandpa warned us about. Klaus Schwab and Bill Gates are doing really well though.
Dave Anderson is right. It amazes me how people pretend like everything is normal when society is falling apart. Businesses fucking people over...skeleton crews and price gouging on crack. Biden not doing shit for Americans and retards supporting his proxy war against Russia. Covid on the rise but more retards thinking its okay as long as we pretend to ignore it. The dumbing down of society at its finest.
I certainly understand the inflation aspect, and not just the current spike. Dances were commonly $20 each 20 years ago for me. Dancers deserve a raise too. However, Baltimore was a lot more fun back then. I mark the start of the decline about a decade ago.
Need to go to the Private Party / Membership Club model, to break free of the dance buying mentality and go to a more unstructured FRMOS centered interaction, as it is in Tijuana.
I'm very happy with my local clubs. All the women are old and fat, which saves me a lot of cash since I will not touch them. If this goes on I will have enough cash to by a yacht soon.
I haven't clubbed since last Fall so IDK the exact current state in my area - but here in SoFlo it seems the strong/popular clubs are for the most-part back at full-strength - at least per last Fall it seems the weaker/smaller/less-popular-clubs/dives had had a harder time getting back to their pre-Covid levels.
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Adapt or die.
This way we can get venues as good as Tijuana.
But to do this we need the legal software, the paper work, the contracts, the papers we show to LE when they challenge us. We need to make the cast that this is not a retail business, and so we have no premises, crew, or regular premises, so we are exempt from zoning or labor laws, as well as laws and public sex and lewd conduct laws.
Other people are doing this, like that Party in Manhattan. But we also have new places opening like Aces of Dallas, and old places converting like Furnace in Birmingham AL and a place in WV.
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Adapt or die.
To elaborate; Less clubs, turnover, diversity of music, quality/hustling dancers.
Still enough satisfying visits to keep me at it.
As a silver lining, the dancer OTC opportunities are more frequent.
My feelings on the clubs in the 4 cities (Louisville, Lexington, Columbus, Indianapolis) that I club in most often is a mixed bag. I am happy with the clubs in Louisville and Lexington. Columbus has been in a steady decline for almost 5 years but is still at least decent. Indianapolis has been very hit or miss since covid and my last couple of visits have been clear misses.
I travel for work but also mix in personal stops during work trips to go to cities with better strip clubs.
Guys with money have mostly disappeared. Pretty young females won't show up for a bunch of broke guys so they have mostly disappeared too. I used to have lots of long term regulars but fewer dancers stay a long time now, since they make less money. There are still a few bright spots. We have more pretty Hispanic dancers now than we used to. There are three or four clubs that tourists go to that have held up. Last Saturday night I went to Red Garter downtown and got lap dances from a pretty blonde who told me she was a college economics major. The Indiana clubs outside Indianapolis are about the same and I've had nice visits to Anderson and Kokomo clubs recently.
I use to have a fav who'd get pretty wild on me during lappers. But, even with all the drama she had with the guys she was dating or hooking up with, it wasn't enough for her. She needed to have much drama with me too. It eventually got so I couldn't tolerate it. My other favs have been much lower drama, but their lappers are much more tame. So now I dream of a frankenstripper who gets wild, but is also low drama, and feel sorry for myself.
I pretty much get to clubs once in a while now because it seems like more of a treat when I do, rather than going just to go. I’ve fallen into that rut before and I try to notice those ruts and adjust accordingly to get out of them. So if I’m not enjoying the clubs so much, I figure it’s probably me more than the club and I take a break and do something else. Sure, there are sometimes changes in clubs that I’m not thrilled about but they are usually small potatoes in the broader scheme of things.
I find it a great change - going to a strip club where nobody is wearing masks - it’s a relaxed atmosphere - and folks are friendly. Having women in bikinis dancing is an added bonus.
Also, the last time I went (in mid March), the dance prices were the same. I think it’s the one place where I’m not paying more - for less.
Mostly NO
Too many fatties and bad hygiene junkies took over a few years ago.
I think another trend is that table and stage dancing are making big comebacks among younger PLs. Not quite as tame as back in the 90s, but close. Dancers like it better, and young PLs are more likely to be into the music dancers want to dance to. Naturally seen as a bad trend among us geezers who dominated TUSCL.
This time last year, club was mostly full of newbies, and I swear on several visits every damned one of them was at least letting me rub a little on the outside, but under the cloth. Most were encouraging Jr. to come out... One has me all up in it for a discounted dance price!!!
This year, some of them are still there, some of them are new again. They are on average, a lot more fun to look at. And not as much fun otherwise. Same girls, same club, same day of the week even, different rules.
but that place always kinda wavered back and forth like that a little bit... I suspect day shift is about the same, but doesn't fit my schedule.
(music's been on the downhill slide for years now... progressively getting worse... Some of the shit I've heard is even bad by rap standards... Guy mumbling about how he get high and fucked a bitch over the same sample track on repeat for 3 minutes.... at least it's not that bad locally but a couple years back visiting Memphis I swear that's what was passing for music.)
Visits vary of course, but some fun always had. YMMV, I'm happy with just some fondling, no extras for me.
The Club Desire bouncer touched desertscrub on his tiny little pee pee and made it stand up, leaving him confused as to whether or not he was a real man. Hence his grudge against the place.
Cell phones are obvious- they are addictive and self-reinforcing. You can get lost for hours in a rabbit hole of tik-tok videos and instagram posts.
The immigrants, especially from the Caribbean and Mexico, only know "Wanna dans?" If your answer isn't yes, then they move on. They do not know enough English to sit, talk, and shoot the breeze. Since I speak Spanish, I can make conversation if the girl is attractive enough (so many are just chubby), but they would prefer to congregate in groups on their phones. Other South Americans - primarily Brazil and Argentina- are more likely to drive conversation than other nationalities, but they also have GPS when it comes to quoting other prices.
Locally, clubs like Allure (formerly Babe's) is almost uniformly fuglies on the day side. It gets pretty dangerous at night, but they have had some more attractive dancers on that side. Vixens runs hot and cold on overall looks, but tattoos are a hot thing for their dancer and the ones I'm seeing are neither tasteful nor classy. Looker's just hasn't been the same since the remodel. The whole feng shui is off now, although they do have a few smokeshows dancing there.
If we do this, US venues can be as good as Tijuana
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Translation: I've never been within restraining order distance of any strip clubs but that doesn't stop me from thinking I know how they should be run.
There's no secret software to it.
I’ll bet that’s also part of what’s slowing down this website
Instead of normal threads with 2-50 responses the jerks are opening and keeping open threads with hundreds of responses
I think a lot of people are probably reading reviews, and these will be VIP members
We need to get beyond retail strip clubs and get to the private party / membership club model. TUSCL could be a big help in making that happen.
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We need to set up Membership Club / Private Party venues.
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