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2 years ago
Cuban dancers exist en masse in certain clubs because titty bar managers like being able to contract a bunch of dancers at once who are lighter skinned (yes, I know darker Cubans exist, but most of them aren’t getting contracted, and a LOT of them could pass off as white) and their bodies are at a certain skinny level (the region/managers will determine how acceptable that level is. I feel like places like Texas are more forgiving), and don’t have tattoos.
If a club isn’t high end enough, it’s tougher for them to keep those kinds of dancers out. But introduce Cubans and the void has been filled.
And there is probably attitude stuff where Cubans are less likely to protest if managers want to be on some bs. Like in Denver when one club ended up with a huge Cuban influx post -Covid, managers started getting extra ballsy with things like firing dancers for dumb reasons but “for $50 I’ll let you work again”.
Also, Cubans have a way of finding the clubs where “wanna dance” works more easily and letting their network know, so they flock to those clubs.
In some areas where Cubans are already “established” like Texas, where there is a bunch of them but Americans too, I wouldn’t consider their presence a bad thing. That was basically the environment I started out dancing in anyways.
But in other areas, if Cubans have “taken over” it wasn’t really them directly who bullied Americans dancers out but a power tripping American club manager who realizes he prefers maintaining a roster that’s easier for him to deal with. Or easier in the short term anyways. 🤷🏻♀️
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2 years ago
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mogul1985I have 3 lives: Work, Dog Shows and Strip Clubs
I don’t think one has to have something dysfunctional going on in their lives to go to a strip club. That being said, the more often one goes, the higher the probability (but not a 100% guarantee) that there is some type of void in one’s life.
Which is understandable, because trauma is everywhere and life can often be pretty dang cruel.
But if you’re going to ask the discussion board on *this* site for a substantial answer, good luck. If some member is honest, and self-reflective, but replies with an answer that makes some of the collective egos on here uncomfortable…this thread can and will devolve pretty dang quick.
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2 years ago
And it’s still in the comment box “if you don’t have anything nice to say, PM desertscrub”
I will actually miss scrubby, and all the accusations he threw at me mocking me for eating at Luby’s and being a man. But, I get it. That account has probably deterred a lot of would-have-been contributing reviewers over the years. So cie la vie
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2 years ago
So your comparative benefits were generous, and to be fair 60k probably hit the “affordable” criteria of renting a one bedroom apartment several years ago. But that makes it sound like you’re implying that most working in your industry couldn’t make enough to support themselves by my one-bedroom criteria.
—>“Keep in mind if you are a profitable employee your employer, if rational will be happy to do what is necessary to retain you.”
I have very little faith in a “rational employer” if just providing them profit is what’s necessary for providing just basic necessities to live.
Btw, I’m not even worried about myself. I am childless and have stable living conditions. And I am one of the lazy shit millennials who does the bare minimum, and have given myself a lifestyle that I decided I wanted to do since my early 20s. But yeah, it’s why I keep an eye on these types of things, so I can plan when it’s worth it for me to take anything more seriously. That time is definitely getting closer though. 👀
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2 years ago
—>“I know many people that enjoy working and going to work every day, before I retired I used to enjoy my work, owning the business was enjoyable and rewarding, and many of my friends were business owners as well.”
Good for you. And between you and your many friends, how many had employees? Without actually diving into it too much, I’ll guess $2,000 is a realistic average price for a no frills one bedroom apartment that is within commuting distance. (If lower rents are possible, feel free to correct me) Were the employees able to receive $6,000 a month…which makes for $72,000 a year?
With a 40 hour work week and 50 weeks out of the year that would be $36/hour. And this $36/hour is not for a luxurious lifestyle. It’s to provide a just stable enough cushion to for one to live without accountability of others in your household because you can afford a one bedroom space. But that stable enough cushion is what’s needed to allow one to also have time to do any form of self-care, or find the time to realistically maybe pursue other outlets and construct their dream job/lifestyle.
And btw, I’m just trying to factor in basic financial stability. I won’t even ask about how enjoyable any tasks could be for the person who has the right personality for any jobs. Just trying to ask the important stuff.
(Of course some individuals pull stuff off anyways, and they are living at home. But that’s a double edged sword and it had better be a supportive family)
Would $36/hr have been an amount your employees could have been realistically paid if you were still the owner? What about for those who work for your friends? If it’s not, then why not?
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2 years ago
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shailynnThey never tell you what you need to know.
So who on the site would be the “pleasure proxy,” or a non-participant who monitors the gangbang and steps in if boundaries are crossed?
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2 years ago
^Since there are only 8 other posters on this thread, feel free to state the usernames of those who are a problem. And what was it that was said that’s a problem.
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2 years ago
From my point of view, it’s difficult to respect hard work as a stripper because most of the time I worked waaaay less hard during a shift that cleared over $700 than one that was below $200.
But yeah, the state of work in general sucks. When labor has been trashed on for decades, then naturally those attitudes catch up and people don’t want to do labor. The people who do the most fundamental things to keep the lights on are often considered the most disposable and get the lowest pay.
For example, the easy punching bag of a “loser” is a food service worker. But it’s probably more apparent what that person is contributing to society vs (I am shamelessly stealing this example from the book Bullshit Jobs) a PR specialist for Oxford University. An institution of that type of prestige probably does not need over a dozen people employed to convince others of its worth.
And now people wonder why there are issues like food shortages (and inflation due to said shortages). Lots of people on top (if you’re a left winger, call them “generational wealth”, and if you’re a right winger, call them the “coastal elites”) …don’t work and their wealth is from assets and they are out of touch and clueless on what tasks are valuable and need to be assigned to keep their gravy train going.
And more recently, lots of the working class don’t work as much as they could, and I don’t blame them. Their wages doesn’t match what it costs to live anyways. So they have learned to get around that and pool resources together aka multigenerational families and roommate situations and living under the same roof. And if they don’t have that support network to pull that off, then they have the streets and cheap drugs to pass the time even if each hit is a roulette of something being laced and they die of overdose.
The job creators/ coastal elites/1% are out of touch and even now most jobs don’t match with what is useful. And those dysfunctions are coming to a head with water shortage issues (in the western US especially), food shortages aka inflation, cybersecurity issues for people, energy issues, healthcare, banks that collapse because a lot of people were shocked by the fed increasing interest rates when they gave warning ahead of time that was happening, etc…sooo many issues that could be less of a dumpster fire.
I suspect the next 5-10 years will resolve things and people will want to actually work. Unfortunately, I think the attitudes will change not because people will have had an epiphany and come to that conclusion because of their sense of morals. It will be because things will keep breaking down and the dysfunction will get even worse and there is even more suffering coming in the meantime. Enjoy
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2 years ago
And idk how most young guys view themselves with their race…? I haven’t heard much of anything, so I think they just accept whatever label they are given?
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2 years ago
Idk, I think it’s mostly the Gen Z white girls who have the most racial confusion or want to not be thought of as white? Like the 18 year olds who come up on Reddit and say “I’m a slender young white girl, what club will hire me?” 🥺🥺 And at first I thought they were trolling, but I think a lot of them genuinely think the beauty standard is a rap music video in clubs.
Idk if it’s other women or guys or what causing it? But I freaking love Gen Z customers in the club and consider them easy money, so maybe there is something to having a racially ambiguous look…? Idk
I blame Ariana Grande for the start of the confusion. Since she will go from a pale redhead, to an Afrolatina, to an Asian aesthetic whenever she pleases 👀
https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/ariana-grande-accused-cultural-appropriation-asianfishing-photos.html/
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2 years ago
I’d love to be able to eat vegetarian/vegan more often, but I have a tendency to get anemic sometimes. So I often end up dead cow anyways. Sorry environment.
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2 years ago
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Hank MoodyI'm fine. I'm disgusted with my life and myself, but I'm not unhappy about that.
Rick and Morty is a show about a teenage boy with anxiety issues and his sociopathic mad scientist grandfather. The two of them travel through a lot of alternate universes. And they occasionally interact with their alternate universe counterparts and there is even a whole “Council of Ricks” out there. Given the personalities of the two main characters, that leads to a lot of chaotic episode plots.
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2 years ago
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Hank MoodyI'm fine. I'm disgusted with my life and myself, but I'm not unhappy about that.
Also, the McDonald’s Szechuan sauce will be needed for all the “chacken fingers”
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xilkhMtZD20
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2 years ago
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Hank MoodyI'm fine. I'm disgusted with my life and myself, but I'm not unhappy about that.
How that meetup will go:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N0BxgRUJKZM
And here’s a separate meetup with Scrubby leading the Phoenix dragon sluts:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RlVlY6QAKpc
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2 years ago
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rickduganVerified and Certifiable Super-Reviewer
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R5kPUFxXYLs
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2 years ago
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shailynnThey never tell you what you need to know.
The biggest thing that has made me not want to do much of anything as far as anything where I’d have to deal with somebody who works a customer service job for the past few months is just toxic vibes in a lot of places. Not everywhere of course, but enough that it’s a roll of the dice.
Like when I’ve already ordered something online to-go and try to pick it up and then people act as if I’m bothering them. As in, I am standing there waiting and people aren’t coming to me even if it looks like they aren’t occupied. Or even doing a cursory “hi, somebody will be right there”. Just, keep ignoring when it’s been at least a couple of minutes and then “oh if you wanted to pick up food, you should be *right there.*” That’s happened a few times.
Also not too long ago I went to a hookah lounge by myself because I wanted to read and mellow out and ordered a hookah and also some kind of snack food. I think I was there for like 40 minutes and I get up and use the restroom and then the hookah was taken away. The food and water was still there (so it can’t be that they thought I left…?) I had to have had that hookah for maybe 20-25 minutes max so there was no way the flavor or anything was anywhere near done. It’s common for hookah lounges to have people actively smoking for an hour or two (or at a *good* hookah lounge, flavor can even last up to 3 hours) just for context.
I hurry up and finish the food and I go to the register to pay and then there are three staff members nearby the register frustrated and venting because nobody is tipping them that night. I actually had plans on reducing what I was going to tip because I was pretty annoyed at something that had never happened to me before, but after hearing that, I went ahead and tipped more.
BUT I’m also not likely to go back any time soon, and it’s a place I’ve gone to a lot in the past. Including during my baby stripper days with the friend (or frenemy…lol ) group I had and I worked with them at the same club and we would go to that lounge when not at work.
(I’ll take a few moments to give a shout out to the places where I’ve had way less awkward scenarios, since they still exist ❤️)
I get it that employers have been exploitive for way too long and customers have been overly abusive as well (especially since the pandemic), so I won’t begrudge anybody who wants to fight back and imo bad/lazy employers who have “passive income-d” their way out of actually doing any real work to monitor what’s wrong with their business absolutely deserve to have their business shut down, and if it’s the free market deciding that for them, then even better. But I’m perfectly happy to remove myself from the crossfire in the meantime and spend less money. Idk if my experiences line up with people on this site persay, but I know I’m not the only one who has dealt with similar things.
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2 years ago
Maybe just have everyone rank the clubs in order from 1 to whatever. Sum everything up and whoever has the lowest score is the winner?
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2 years ago
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rickthelionStraight outta tha NC, comin' atcha with an AK ready to steal your daughter. ROAR!!!
Pulling off an AITA type of post, that is genuinely seeking an answer and not just fishing for validation, requires having enough site participants who are introspective. There are definitely individuals on here who are, BUT there’s also a reason it’s ridiculously easy to troll and get people riled up on this site as well…and I’ll leave it at that.
ROAR
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2 years ago
Any updates with what happened during your lawsuit against Cheetah a couple of years ago?
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2 years ago
I’ve noticed an uptick in the amount of posts in dancers groups from trans people interested in dancing. Look up “trans” on the search bar of r/stripper and r/strippers if curious.
Possibly as a tangent, I knew somebody briefly in my baby stripper days in 2016 who was a fling of my friend who was also dancing in the same club I was. She had already transitioned hormonally but not biologically. And asked the club’s waitress about working there. And when my friend and I were in the manager’s office and (and her out of earshot and sitting out on the floor of the club as a customer), the manager outright said to us “um, yeah, we are never going to hire him. Just to let you know.”
Sooooo…
I’d say don’t dismiss the idea outright that there might be a trans who ends up working at the club. 🤷🏻♀️ I’m sure the chances are very low though.
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2 years ago
I can see the movement both from that link on this thread and on the site’s homepage where moving images are shown up as icons alongside still images just fine. On an iPhone.
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2 years ago
Tl;dr yep, I absolutely think clubs are on their way out.
I’ve compared strip clubs today to taxi dance halls that had its heyday in the 1910s-1930s. Taxi dance halls back then had similar functions to titty bars. It was a form of sex work that had its own sense of style and was meant to be more about some kind of sensuality and building connection and was supposedly supposed to be sex work lite rather than brothels just like clubs are now. (A worsening economy would change the practice over time)
The format was ballroom dancing at 10 cents a song and its evolution correlated a lot with titty bars, and those who did it who had all the same daily stuff like strippers have dealt with—from “corner girls” who would take customers to the corner of the ball room to do dances in a manner that was above and beyond what was supposed to happen. And also “treating” which was essentially the sugar thing today—where the rise of that term started outside the hall room, but as time went on, the practice became more and more blended with the dance halls.
The 1920 and the 1990 decades had a lot in common both culturally and economically and with a lot of fast paced technology advances for personal use. Currently, the mood of today is a lot like the Great Depression and 1930s. Except unlike back then where things just simply crashed, and the suffering was severe but relatively speaking shorter in duration—now we have the government agencies that were put in place in response to back then to prevent that.
People’s political opinions will decide how effectively or ineffectively the agencies are at fulfilling its tasks. The agencies have managed to put on lots of band aids ever since 2008, in the form of bailouts and pumping markets and all, except most of the band aids have been applied in a way to make lots people very angry and convinced that they are being treated unfairly.
Whether such concerns are valid or not is for one of the very many political threads on this site. But this time around the result of decades of the federal government and also corporations doing their thing may or may not have so far caused a softer landing instead of an outright depression. But as a consequence, wealth has been skewed in a way that favors the elderly. And so strip clubs have and will continue to last longer than taxi dance halls.
But just like what happened back then, (I predict) the trends will reverse. Falling birth rates since 2007 will affect how many 18 year olds there are to potentially even become dancers starting in 2025.
There is the normalization of multigenerational living and continuing to live with parents as an adult, which will also put pressure on how many potential strippers are available. Unlike the 90s/early 2000s, families are stronger than they used to be, which means more eyeballs that can potentially monitor your behavior. There has been a huge uptick in the number of posts on stripper boards (especially Reddit) about “how do I get started as a stripper without my parents finding out”—and most likely the vast majority of them realize it’s not realistic to hide their activities if they want to work more than every once in a while. Speaking of hiding activities from parents, while the news article didn’t outright come out and say it, it was heavily implied that one of the women who was the strongest voice with pushing raising the age limit for working at a titty bar to 21 in Texas was somebody whose daughter was a stripper behind her back and died while driving home drunk and underage. Just like it became less acceptable to contract strippers who were 15 starting in…the 90s or 00s? (I have no clue about when that shift would have been, and good luck finding anybody other than an OG old stripper/ex stripper to even admit to that stuff)…limiting the supply even more.
On the customer end, ever since Covid, there are its own issues that have lots of people wary to go into clubs. And that can depends on either worries about personal finances, health reasons (for either themselves or their loved ones), or just simply fatigue because of increased hostility one could either be perpetuating or receiving (whether due to racism, political views, etc) Add in the rise of work from home and stronger family ties that makes married men (especially with children) less motivated to get out. There was a meme circulating around for a while that said “boomers want us all to return to the office so that they can go back to having affairs”—which is a good summary of a rising attitude that is going to be less likely to be inclined to be a titty bar frequenter.
Also, strip club owners/managers are aging and and are either too ignorant, too inflexible, or too burned out to know how to adjust to an emerging group of guys who, statistically, don’t want to drink as much alcohol as the older generation and who will have less tolerance for the attitude of “I-got-mine-fuck-you” that is commonly part of the hustle from club staff, strippers, and fellow club customers that (whether fairly or unfairly) is perceived as not just merely a boomer trait, but a particularly loathsome boomer trait. So lots of younger guys will come in because of curiosity and rap music videos, but ultimately end up turned off and walking away. Also, plenty of strippers are doing things like communicating online with each other online about their clubs, and doing things like advocating unionizing. That’s going to keep contributing to a lot of spiteful owners who would rather let their club burn than give into stripper demands.
And also, just like taxi dance halls, strip clubs also have and will continue to face “death by a thousand cuts” from police raids and local governments that want them shut down.
If the parallels between titty bars and taxi dance halls continue, the biggest death knell will be when the economy finally normalizes itself in a way that the vast majority of people consider satisfactory. Just like the end of world war 2 was the biggest death knell for taxi dance halls. Sure a few locations will continue to exist every here and there, but they will be pushed out of the mainstream and an anachronism.
And that will pave the way for a new, whatever becomes more culturally relevant in its time, form of “party” sex work that isn’t just straightforward escorting to take its place.
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2 years ago
Since people are mentioning demographics now, I also wanted to point out the obvious like decades-long trends such as immigration and white people who didn’t feel like procreating en masse.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/07/30/most-common-age-among-us-racial-ethnic-groups/
This link is from four years ago, and no doubt is even more relevant today. The most common age of white people four years ago was 58 years old four years ago. Most strippers are younger than 58 years old.
Yes, we people with melanin actually exist in this country (even if not in your neighborhood), and don’t just materialize out of thin air every once in a while to do service/manual labor or commit crimes and then poof back into a lamp.
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2 years ago
Cringe
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2 years ago
Portland is a place that has a lot more small businesses than one or two large areas dominating. That’s how it is with businesses in general, and the titties bars are not an exception. And driving around is a pain so I’d recommend sticking to a close radius of wherever you are if you’re not looking for an experience too specific.
You could definitely find a novelty experience at places like Acropolis, Casa Diablo (there is a Casa Location next door to Acrop, you could totally go to one club for their vegan food, then walk over after to enjoy a steak that came from the club owner’s ranch). The Kit Kat club I think is more burlesque like? Some club has karaoke but I’m not sure whether they are still doing that?
If you’re asking more about mileage, that’s something I get the impression could be all over the map, even in the same building. As in, some won’t allow two way contact and some are allowing a *lot*. I haven’t been there since 2019, so I won’t comment too much on that.