Comments by anonlvone (page 15)

I love getting dances from new girls. Often times, usually, they have no idea what they're doing and they might inadvertently do something that alternately makes me want to laugh, or makes me want to walk away (if it had been done by an experienced dancer). But they tend to learn the ropes rather quickly, and some of them, just as quickly, decide that dancing isn't for them. And in those situations I've been finding that they're often willing to become my "private dancers" because I stood out from the others by treating them well, and tipping them well, as well as showing them kindness and patience.

Over the years I've occasionally come across sisters, but never triplets. Not long ago, one of my favorite dancers was a 19 year old who got into dancing because of her older sister, who was already working at a nude club, and wasn't nearly as attractive, at least not imo. I always suspected the older sister got the younger sister into dancing because she expected guys to ask for both of them at once. Unfortunately I told the younger sister one too many stories about Vegas, and now they both work there. Currently I know two other sisters who are both nude dancers at the same club. Once again the older sister isn't nearly as attractive in my eyes, but I think most guys would rate her an 8 or 9 overall. The younger sister is a 10. I've only asked the older sister to dance for me one time, and that was before I knew they were sisters.

I guess if I was in your situation I might feel the same, but my current ATF hung up her heels a while back, and even when she was a dancer I never saw her much in the club. So right now I have an ATF who's retired, a CF who's retired, and a bunch of regulars who don't realize they're all third place finishers whose BS I'm just not gonna tolerate. Guess that's why I'm currently scouting for new talent.

Tits & Ass & Pussy. That enough reasons for ya? Search around. Some clubs just ask to look at them. Others don't even do that. Unfortunately two of my favorite clubs seem to scan, but the more you complain about it the more attention you draw to yourself.

Precisely because it doesn't have a CF. Some nights I just want to get a few dances and not have to worry about one of my regulars getting jealous over another regular. That shit is the #1 thing that makes me not want to step into a strip club. I don't know if you dancers realize this, or just don't care, but if you cause enough drama every time we walk into your club, pretty soon we're gonna find another club to walk into. Then you're all gonna lose.

@RickDugan - Your story doesn't seem authentic to me. I think you concocted it to troll the board. It comes across partly as wish fulfillment, and partly as a possible pastiche of several real-life incidents which you're trying to present in a somewhat socially acceptable manner.

yeah Papi, by clean I mean low-mileage dancers (who might occasionally offer moderate or high mileage dances to select customers), as opposed to dirty dancers who are offering VHM and UHM to anyone who pays (and free to management)

Proud to say I never even walked into Glitter Gulch. lol Don't understand why anyone would want to resurrect it.

i don't think there was a conscious intent to hurt the club. my read is that the "clean" dancers got frustrated with the "dirty" dancers for the usual reasons and with management for not taking action. so one of them took the extreme action of outing the girls on TUSCL. something I should have made clear, is that I can accept CP's account of some extremely dumb PL barebacking a dirty dancer and then complaining about it to HL management, outing himself to HL management, local LE, and his wife's attorney. What I don't understand is how anyone could know it was a TUSCL member. if "Chris" had started posting after the raid, I would think perhaps it might be a TUSCL alias, but given that Chris started posting even before the meetup, I think it's more likely that a dancer saw a golden opportunity to cause more trouble. and to be clear, I'm not blaming Chris here. ultimately the dirty dancers brought this on themselves, but HL management also shares a large portion of the blame as well. club management should not be fucking dancers.

It's an inherently unstable situation. I've been told several times I "have too many girls" and in one sense I guess it's true. I tend to visit 3-4 clubs on a regular basis, and usually have 2-3 favorites at each club, so at any given time I usually have about 10 favorites, with the top 5 getting the most attention. Females are jealous and possessive by nature. With dancers you have that plus competition for money. And if that's not bad enough, over the past year I'd begun experimenting with several Cuban dancers, who seem to have that "hot-blooded Latin" thing x10. Then when you throw in the fact that most Cuban girls speak little or no English, well, misunderstandings are easy to get into and hard to get out of. A while back I was in one of my favorite clubs while a certain dancer was on stage. I then happened to see a waitress who I was used to seeing at its sister club. So I waved her over while my hot-blooded Cuban dancer started fuming. Because I was chatting to a fricking waitress! I am so sick of this crap, of dancers acting like I'm married to them. And the irony is that I wasn't just catching up with someone I knew, I had also been getting tip money for the dancer on stage. But instead, while she's still on stage, I pulled out my phone and deleted both her number and her Snapchat. As I'm punching buttons I'm thinking: I.Am.So.Done.With.This.Shit. I'm in the process of getting rid of almost all my Cuban regulars. One of the exceptions is a girl who's basically retired, but who will still meet up with me in a club if I call her. I'm also going to strongly consider reducing my favorites list to just 1 (possibly 2) girls per club - not counting "retired" dancers like the Cuban girl I mentioned above.

I must like mysteries as this isn't my club and I'll likely never visit there. On 9/8 "Chris" shows up on TUSCL with an explicit review about a certain dancer at HiLiter. Also named is her dance partner. I would assume one or both are heavy drug users. "Chris" also separately volunteers the names of the two girls later in a thread discussion. Ten days later, 9/18 there's a TUSCL meetup in that same club. Apparently there's a group of at least a dozen of you who all frequent that club for obvious reasons. Although some of you are now outraged that "Chris" named names, I've seen numerous reviews from some of you that made it quite clear that there was sex going on in the champagne room. Anyways, the names of the TUSCL members who were at that meetup, or who frequent HiLiter, are pretty much all in that thread. About a month later, 10/14 "Chris" creates an STD thread claiming that at least two TUSCL members have contracted an STD, implying that it happened during the meetup. Since no one at the meetup has publicly come forward, and since "Chris" started posting prior to the meetup, I would have to assume "Chris" was knowingly posting false info to stir up shit. Nine days later, 10/23, there's an undercover sting at the HiLiter. Neither management nor customers have any motive to post the types of details that "Chris" has posted. In addition, the average customer is not going to have access to the types of details posted by "Chris", and the staff who do would be too afraid of retribution to say anything on a public forum. There are other tells I'm not going to divulge. But for me the kicker is that the easiest way for someone to know details like the number of silent witness complaints, and the specific dancers being named, is if the people making the silent witness complaints are other dancers. Hence my conclusion that "Chris" is a dancer who might want to take up chess as it helps you learn the probable consequences of certain moves.

I call dibs on the aunt-niece PL merit badge.

The mom and two aunts of one of my favorites are also strippers. Never met the mother, but one of the aunts is also one of my regulars.

you have to be a dancer.

Larry, I'm guessing you're a young guy? Let me try to rephrase things to clear up the confusion. The basic principle is, you can't buy a dancer. You can rent her 3 minutes at a time ITC, but you can't buy her interest or affection. If a dancer isn't interested in you, no amount of money will change her mind. She'll happily accept your money ITC, and possibly OTC, but it will never be anything other than a commercial transaction, which is what 99.99% of the guys on this board want anyway. If a dancer does have interest or affection for you, then any money you give her won't be an obstacle, but it also won't be necessary. You can spend little or no money on her, and still walk out with either her phone number or with her. I've done both many times, but it happened much more often when I was younger. Of course once you start hanging out with a dancer OTC, there's really no need for you to see her ITC. AS for the rest of you, Subraman for example, this isn't PUA bullshit. This has been my reality and experience throughout my life, and I'm pretty sure I've posted this before several times. What I'm discussing aren't "benefits" because it isn't necessary to be her regular. In this entire thread, Warrenboy75 seems to be the only one who understands this subject. To give a couple of examples: Long ago when I was just 18 I used to visit the Yellow Rose about once a month and never spent much money as I was a student then. I tended to get dances from one certain girl, and guys who were regulars started telling me that she liked me. I was clueless and didn't believe them until I asked a new dancer to breakfast and it turned into a double date with my regular dancer. I've told this story before. Halfway through breakfast we basically swapped dates. lol Fast forward about 10 years, and I'm walking into Cheetah's LV on the spur of the moment. It was standing room only. So I'm at the bar, and I see this blonde bombshell talking to someone about 3 yards from me. Just your basic Playboy playmate centerfold type. so I stare at her for several seconds, then force my eyes away. I look back, and she's vanished. I start kicking myself for not approaching her. Then I realize she's literally standing right next to me, with her back to me. I tap her on the shoulder, and discover her best friend is my favorite dancer at Cheetah's, who I've been seeing regularly for the past year. Turns out she's a dancer too and I can't understand how I've never seen her before, as more than once I'd walked into VIP around midnight and didn't leave until about 8 am. After 5 minutes we feel like we've known each other forever. We go into VIP for about 30 min, and she's putting my hands on her breasts, her ass, her pussy. We decide to leave and about 60 minutes later we're at the Bellagio on our first date. I don't know how much money I had spent in VIP, but it was minimal, I'm guessing maybe $100 at most. Anyway, long story short, dating a dancer is advanced dating. I don't recommend it.

desertscrub might have been trying to deflect, i don't know. he's a hard one to read. but i do agree with suspect. at first I thought a dancer trying to cause trouble. then I thought maybe LE

Dancers who work at topless clubs will rarely flash pussy on stage or during dances in my experience. The rules are different in topless vs nude clubs, and I've never tried to mix them nor do I want to get a dancer into trouble. I assume if a dancer was willing to flash the kitty she'd be in a nude club and not a topless one. With girls who seemed comfortable with me I might at most rub their pussy through their thong. That said, I have met dancers at topless clubs who hinted at bending the rules, so perhaps I'll do some experimentation in the near future. I shouldn't have to add, but being a realist I will, that things like this are totally dependent on how you treat the girl and whether she feels comfortable with you. Girls who work at nude clubs are often shy both on stage and during dances because they don't want to be touched down below. If the dances on the main floor are supposed to be topless only and they flash kitty they can also get into trouble with management. My one exception to the contrary happened: 1) with a club favorite; 2) during a time when the club was relatively empty; and 3) in a club where the management pretty much looks the other way no matter what I do. So I was with this very pretty and very flexible young girl who took full advantage of the tables, chairs and couches to get into some very erotic poses for me, with her thong either pulled to the side or halfway down her thighs. Good times! Generally though, even in a nude club you should never try to remove a dancer's thong on your own, much less reach into her thong. If she asks you to remove her thong for her, that's a sign of trust, especialy if you know she doesn't allow kitty play, so don't abuse it. Always move your hands slowly and get consent first if you try for anything more.

@PD83 - First of all, thank you for the interesting discussion. I understand your point of view, but I'd like to offer you another point of view as well. From extensive personal experience, I'm going to disagree that all dancers are pushy as hell. I myself go to clubs to get away from stress. So the last thing I want is a dancer who's adding to my stress. If a dancer sits on my lap without invitation, and I have to say "no" to her more than once it's going to piss me off. If I say no and a girl walks away, I might give her a chance on some other night, but if she makes me say no "twice" then she's not ever going to get a dance from me. Never. And I'm a nice guy. Usually though it's not twice. Usually I have to say "no" at least 4 or 8 or more times in a row. And as soon as I get rid of that dancer, another one shows up. And another. And another. And here's the thing. If I haven't tipped you on stage, if I haven't made extended eye contact with you, if I haven't motioned you over, or asked someone to fetch you, then you by definition are interrupting me. And again, I'm a nice guy. So given this situation, I can easily imagine where a lot of guys who aren't quite so nice get pissed off as hell and are willing to say anything to get rid of a dancer who won't stop bothering them. Another point I want to address is that when a customer is clearly drunk, you have no business trying to sell him dances. Usually when a dancer has a payment dispute with a customer, I tend to favor the dancer. However, the other night I saw a dancer complaining that a customer owed her $60, and when I looked at him, he seemed so drunk I couldn't believe he was even able to stand. A guy that drunk isn't able to give consent to a dance. I'm pretty sure I could have sold him land on Mars if I had tried. Second, a guy that drunk isn't going to have any self control. He might say or do anything, so why would you want to dance for someone like that? It's because of things like this I keep ripping the management of that club. That customer should have been ejected from the club, and that dancer should have been bitched out for taking advantage of him. Why weren't the waitresses or the bouncers or any of the managers doing their job? As for that group, you should have left. There are guys who get off on abusing women through financial control. It's like the opposite of female financial domination. As I think you learned on your drive home, the money isn't worth it. If you want to have longevity as a dancer you have to learn how to minimize the psychic damage that's being done to you and more importantly the damage that you are doing to yourself. So how do you approach a guy? First of all by observing him. What types of girls is he tipping on stage? What types of girls are turning his head? What types of girls is he speaking to? If you think you might be his type, try walking past him or just sitting in his line of sight to see if he shows interest. And if you decide to approach him anyway, without first having gotten some sign of interest, then make it as painless for everyone as possible. Walk up to him, ask if he would like some company, and if he says "no" then smile and walk away. That is how you approach a man in a strip club. There is nothing more unattractive than a woman trying to act like a man, and there is nothing more counter productive than trying to badger a man into accepting a lap dance. It's like a parent trying to badger a child into eating spinach. The harder the parent tries, the more convinced the child becomes that he doesn't want to have anything to do with it. Because of things like this, I'm now getting to the point where I simply don't accept dances from girls I don't know. As I said before, I have zero interest in paying dancers to bring additional stress into my life. So my standard operating procedure is to talk to a girl first to find out what she's like, and if she interests me I might agree to one or two dances. Then the next time I see her the process continues. It's basically like an ongoing interview for the position of "club favorite." I don't really have an interest in getting random dances from several unknown girls when I go to a club. Instead I prefer to develop a small number of favorites, and each time I go to the club I will get dances from those same girls over and over again, assuming that they don't start doing stupid things like creating all sorts of drama and stress in my life. I know several dancers that I've now been getting dances from for about a year.

think i'm in the same category as you, indorula. this really isn't something i take all that seriously. i don't pay for actual sex ITC or OTC, never have, and prolly never will, so there's a lot on this board i can't relate to, for me it's really more about the tease and just dealing with stress, i enjoy the company of beautiful young women, but although I don't look my age at all, I still feel awkward approaching college age women, even though they sometimes approach me. lol so clubs are just a nice way to escape from daily life & stress for awhile, although there have often been months and even years i haven't stepped into a club

fuck you, i don't wanna read about what pedo faggot priests do in their spare time

when a dancer is being paid $1K per day for OTC companionship, I doubt she thinks of the guy she's with as a "pathetic loser." however, if that same dancer were asked her opinion of a guy who's too cheap to tip, what term do you suppose would readily come to mind?

although i have no way of going back in time to verify this, i'd wager the stripper who originated the term "pathetic loser" wasn't thinking primarily or perhaps not at all of the simple act of paying money for sex. by that definition she'd be damning herself and her kind most of all.

... and yet you have famous celebrities, powerful politicians and wealthy businessmen paying for escorts and strippers and "traveling companions" all the damn time. hmmm, care to rethink your position?

wallanon, I'll agree it is a matter of opinion (or preference). I like my dancers naked, as in preferably nude, but topless in a thong is acceptable too. What's not acceptable to me are the ridiculous SA laws about covering up nipples. Some guys I guess it's not that big of a deal to them. They find ways around it in the SA bikini bars, or they just accept it b/c driving to Austin just isn't worthwhile to them or maybe not even possible if they're married. For me it was worthwhile. I hated the feeling I got in SA of being treated like a child. I used to live in Las Vegas after all. So I would drive to the Palazio and at the time it was like a desert oasis to me. So for me, there was definitely a need to drive to Austin. That was my preference.

@wallanon - You deliberately ignored the Palazio to make a point. Unfortunately for you, I happen to know the area b/c I currently live in Austin and previously lived in San Antonio. That's why I can say, if you live in San Antonio it's worth the drive to South Austin to visit the Palazio (which is actually closer than the Landing Strip). However, I don't believe the Palazio is the best Austin club. In my opinion Perfect 10 (Bratton Lane) is the best Austin club, but P10 in North Austin is a long way from San Antonio.