Corona virus

Media fueled hysteria trumps common sense every time.

and on a whiter note....... THERE IS GOING TO BE A MASSIVE PARALYZING SNOWSTORM THIS WEEK.....

RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!

Orwell was right about Government controlling the populace with constant war, poverty and crisis.

I'm 78 now and have stage 3 COPD. I am not on oxygen but I tire easily and just take an inhaler once a day. I have been hospitalized 3 times in the past 2+ years with pneumonia. Each stay was 3-4 days and took another week of recovery after discharge. I don't understand how so many people have died from the common flu. At the first sign of trouble I get help. I don't know how much time I have left but I am not going to let the Corona Virus or any other respiratory illness confine me indoors. I don't worry about STDs either.

The definition of pandemic is a disease that has spread across the world. It has.

No, I don’t think everyone is going to die. But, this has already disrupted the hell out of the world’s economy by disrupting the Chinese supply chain. It’s going to get much worse over the next 2-3 months. Then, it will take years for the supply chains to get back to normal.

Shadow: Wise words but, the key thought in your statement is: "At the first sign of trouble I get help"...... a lot of people don't or don't have the resources to do just that.

mark; Very true; my company is trying to plan for supply chain shortages and it's only a matter of time before it hits the sales side as well.

Maybe I shouldn't be surprised you guys are doubling down on the glib, "it's nothing, I know better than everyone else", ignore-all-the-warning-signs position. Not that it's the time for complete panic, but anyone inside industry knows that it's already disrupting the supply chain (as mark94 points out), and there are areas where the mortality rate may be significantly above the 2% being reported. No need to panic, but you guys taking a "I'll be an ostrich and put my head in the ground" view are, as usual for people who are asleep, probably making a big mistake. Portfolio-wise at the least.

I'm not packing up for a trip to the remote retreat or stockpiling ammunition (more than usual...). But I'm watching this.

I believe that it'll probably be nothing, but I'm prepared for it to be something.

The biggest outcome from this is going to be economic decoupling from China. Trump’s visit to India gives us a clue of who one of the big winners will be.

Over 80% of prescription drugs sold in the US are made in China. That is a huge risk to our country. There are dozens of other examples of goods that must be brought back to either the US or friendly countries, hopefully more than one.

It took China 30 years to become the world’s manufacturing hub. It will take a decade to move it elsewhere.

The medical definition of 'pandemic' is very different from the cinematic definition.

Ish: exactly what a rational person should be doing, IMO. I'm doing some minor prep as well... for me, prep is applicable and leveragable to earthquake preparation as well, which is something the ostriches might not believe will happen but definitely will :) , so all good.

Yesterday, more new cases of coronavirus were reported outside of China than were reported inside of China. I don’t understand why people keep posting the total flu case numbers as if that’s going to protect you from contracting coronavirus. The flu kills already sick or weak people at a rate of 0.02% or less. Coronavirus death rate is 2-3% (100+ times more deadly?) and includes healthy adults as well as medical professionals. It’s not the flu. It’s just not here.

On top of that, some newer areas of infection are showing significantly higher than 2-3% mortality. We don't know yet whether it's just the data (e.g., number of total cases isn't being measured properly, so mortality is disproportionately large) or whether it's something else. Again, no reason to panic, but downright dumb to pretend there is no threat (the economic threat is already being realized), or that the existence of the flu means we should ignore other, more virulent easily-transmissible diseases.

There is no viable treatment for hence the alarm and precautions.

In China, their hospitals are overwhelmed, so only the most severe cases are being admitted. As a result, mortality rates above 2% are being reported. The denominator of total infections is vastly under reported. Most of them are at home with no medical treatment.

OMG, there's a hole in the ozone lyer and we're all doomed...... The only protection from a virus is hand washing.

There is no viable treatment for it hence the concern.

Although it doesn't matter much in the US since most can't afford to get tested or the quarantine period.


I bet Skibum was a lot of fun during the AIDS epidemic in the 1980s

I think you are seriously underestimating this virus ski bum. The CDC has announced that an outbreak is inevitable at this point. There’s too many countries now that could potentially spread COVID 19 for us to isolate it properly.

A major reason why it has spread is because of people not taking it seriously. COVID 19 is somewhere between 25-80 times more deadly than the flu is. The comparisons between the two end at their symptoms.

This isn’t Zika or h1n1. This is the real deal. Unfortunately it seems people have gotten complacent and over confident in regards to diseases because it’s been so long since we suffered from an epidemic like this.

It’s worth reminding everyone that the CCP is not releasing accurate numbers. The numbers are likely at least 10x as high as they are reporting. Crematoriums in Wuhan have been getting overwhelmed with bodies as they are working 24/7 for weeks to burn them all. The numbers Iran is reporting are likely not accurate either as their own mayor in Qoms criticized the central government for covering up close to 50 deaths.

Well I’m full of confidence now , they’ll get it under control, Trump and the CDC are having a news conference this evening I hope he’s planning to use some real science experts, not those guys that made him turn orange

He’s got a sharpie ready to improve the CDC’s charts.

Now you're dissing the CDC. I guess they haven't been polluted by Trump's "the truth is what I say it is" diktat yet.

Here is some good news:

Do farts spread the COVID-19 virus? Pants work just fine to cut off novel coronavirus transmission in farts, a Beijing district disease control center announced on Sunday.

In a lengthy and seemingly humorous yet serious article on its WeChat account, the Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) of Tongzhou district in Beijing clarified that farts, normally, do not constitute another transmission route of COVID-19, unless someone takes a good and rather close sniff of gas from a pantless patient.

Officials Say Americans Should Prepare For Coronavirus Spread | Andrea Mitchell | MSNBC (today)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4D2jRkc…

SJG

Alice Eve Explains Differences Between American & UK Dating - CONAN on TBS (2012)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GgHhOqU…

TJ Street
https://tuscl.net/photos/5d699507cd73c
https://tuscl.net/photo.php?id=1061
https://tuscl.net/photo.php?id=3560
https://tuscl.net/photo.php?id=2305

Live US House
WATCH LIVE: House committee continues hearing on virus outbreak and HHS budget
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxadPyl7…

SJG

Coronavirus only affects the gays

^^^ in that case, 90% of tuscl will be affected. 100% if it also hits guys who like trannies

Maybe farts don’t but it is very airborne. People just walking down the street in Wuhan for a few hours back in January got it.

You apes and your parochial worries. Wah wah there is a horrible disease that is killing us and disrupting supply chains wah wah.

You damn dirty apes have been killing pangolins to make ineffective boner pills. Well the pangolins are getting their revenge now. So what are you getting now? A bunch of stupid apes without boners who are frickin dying. What goes around comes around!

Aah...yup

@shadowcat Your 78? Wow, judging by how much you party at strip clubs, I'd assume your health enough to walm and talk without a cane. Are you in decent shape? What's your secret?

CC99 if you look at the meaning behind the inane headlines in fake mainstream news, you would see a footnote in the CDC release that stated that while many will be infected, most will neither know they are, or will only get mildly ill. If people want to stop the hysteria then they need to avoid casinos, chinese restaurants etc. and any other place where ownership and customers would have or have had a reason to visit China. I know that in Boston, once people stopped going to Chinatown, then everything was fine and we were encouraged to go. Voila: no more hysteria.

Hyped in China to allow crackdowns and round-ups of pro-democracy activists and their supporters. Hyped in the US to crash Trump's economy right before the election. Purely media-driven. Never let a good crisis gonto waste.

I tell you this will mean that Trump’s trade deal with China will more than likely take hold. China will be scrambling to do business with the US so they can steal our intelligence on the vaccine we create. #KAG

Estafador - People say that I don't look or act that old. I don't wear glasses and have a full head of hair. I live alone, do my own cooking and cleaning. I do hire contractors do do my lawn work etc. Sex does present some problems but I have a very cute 28 yo coming to my house once a week that is working with me. There are half a dozen members that have seen her photos and are envious.

I'm going in for my annual check up this morning and will be seeing her tomorrow afternoon.

It’s real. Not in the US yet, but look at the global economy. Money talks, BS walks.

According to Johns Hopkins the US is the most prepared to handle response to the Corona Virus. I work for a major health care system, and there is currently no internal panic regarding this, and i work directly with the people who handle this type of thing. Do not let media sell you the fear and panic.

^ check the market reaction the market isn’t going hoorah for Mr Trump GS is now saying there’s going to be no growth this year not exactly a ringing endorsement
But we’ll see won’t we.

You can polticize it you want, since that gets you off,but i am talking about actual public health.

I’m not politicizing this I’m pointing out that there is some real panic like it or not, that reaction from the market is causing real concerns

Then youre talking about different panic and it is closer related to the Chinese.

I don’t think you understand what my point is, not going to get into a bash anyone mode, but if the administration wants to keep this from becoming a panic they need to regain some credibility with everyone, not just their base, that means they need to make this about reality and stop the lies I watched the press conference and he kept saying that there were only 15 cases there are right now 60 cases here in this country, acknowledge that as a fact and let’s have a real conversation about how to deal with this, not worry about how they look but some truth would go a long way.

In other words, Trump needs to reach out to the far left, the people who think he’s a Nazi moron, and reassure them and convince them he is truthful. If he can’t convince them, then he’s the incompetent they claim he is. Circular logic.

@skibum

That’s not how the disease works. COVID 19 is extremely airborne. This isn’t fake news, China quarantined tens of millions of people, put their economy on hold for a month, and have threatened anybody who does not confess that they have the disease with execution. China went door to door rounding up anybody who had a fever and put them in quarantine camps.

If anything the news is downplaying the severity of it.

I actually agree with twenty five and that’s despite being in support of Trump but his press conference seriously misled the public as far as how dangerous it is. The CDC and medical experts are telling us to prepare for an outbreak at any moment and Trump is telling us that “it’s like the flu.”

It’s like the Spanish Flu maybe. Unfortunately it’s a lot more contagious than the Spanish flu but seems to be just as deadly.

Mark stop exaggerating everything Trump needs to be POTUS and reality is just because I or anyone else dislikes him and his agenda doesn’t make them far left.
And yes he needs to cut the bullshit as do you, sometimes events transcend politics and I fuckn guarantee that just as many Trump supporters as anti Trumpees will get sick and the markets are pulling back the same for you as they are for me. Kudlow was as full of shit yesterday as he is every day, making his his pronouncements the Dow was dropping for the third day in a row.

Trump had to walk a fine line between cautioning the public but not setting off a panic. I would summarize his position as “ this has the potential to be quite serious in the US but so far it isn’t and we’ll do everything we can to prevent it from becoming serious”. I’d say that was exactly the right tone.

@CC anyone who doesn’t agree with what I said here has a serious case of head up their ass disease it’s even more dangerous than Coronavirus

So, if Trump came out and said “ we fucked up and now we’re all going to fucking die”, you would have applauded his honesty. Got it.

^ Not even remotely close to what I said but spin whatever shit you think sounds good because there ain’t no way to make this look good.

Wah, wah, wah, no one believes the liars called progressives. Wah!.

Since this began governments have been too worried about saving face and that’s the biggest reason why it has spread so widely now.

Trump needs to find the CDC to allow more testing and develop a better method of testing because right now if you want to get tested it could cost you $3,500 in medical bills.

So nobody is voluntarily getting tested and the CDC doesn’t seem to want to test people. The only criteria for getting tested is if you have direct links to China or close contact with an infected person and even then, only with the CDC’s explicit approval. A recent case was confirmed in California only after the virus got so severe they couldn’t ignore it. Other experts have said the US likely has dozens if not hundreds of cases that haven’t been confirmed because of our lack of testing.

My issue with Trumps statements was that he misled the public by saying it’s just like the flu. In doing so all the people who haven’t been following the daily updates on the virus are not taking it seriously.

Totalitarian and progressive governments want to save face. When my wife, who works at a very large Hospital in the mecca of medical care that is Boston, comes home and tells me that the hospital is concerned, I might actually believe this isn't all just bullshit, but the idea I am going to follow this non-issue because young people and progressives are panicking, like they do about everything, is beyond inane.

^^^ What you are saying makes sense, and it jibes with that the medial experts are saying, more testing.

Someone said yesterday that only 4 states even have testing kits.

SJG

Ski bum this isn’t a left-right issue. It’s an issue of a deadly virus that could potentially kill millions of people. And yes the US government wants to save face too because Trump thinks it will cause people to question his qualifications and his decision to cut funding for the CDC if an outbreak happens here.

Bullshit CC. You're simply panicking and the idea that this isn't political was just shown to be false by your post. Cuts in funding lol. Maybe if the Democrats had done something other than sue the President things would be better, but horses can't ski and Democrats cannot govern.

Yes the Democrats obsession with blocking everything Trump wanted to do was stupid. I despise the witch hunt as much as y’all do. I’m still probably gonna vote for Trump but I’d like to think I’m objective than just supporting every decision or statement he makes.

It is political but at the least it shouldn’t be a left-right issue. The reason it got out of control in Iran so quickly was because they wouldn’t test anybody and the virus festered there for weeks. At this point Iran might be in more trouble than China is.

And the problem a lot of other countries are having is not learning from the authoritarian countries mistakes and doing the same thing on a much smaller scale. Singapore managed to prevent a major outbreak through extensive testing and monitoring of contacts, we should follow their example.

South Korea has developed a home testing method. Why are we not asking for intel on how to develop that ourselves?

Just wanted to chime in that there are very few people I trust more for scientific literacy and accuracy than Skibum and Donald Trump.

How the duck do you faggits have enough time in the day to waste reading headlines about spoofs and crazy theories that amount to literally nothing?

By the way, in case you didn’t realize the government wants to keep you in a panic and fearful about shit that has little effect on your directly so it is harder to direct your efforts onto the government for not working for the people. It’s a red herring, but you stupid hairless apes can’t see the forest through the trees. ADHD in adults is a pandemic gone epidemic.

Should have mentioned you too, @Meathead, since helping grandma with her IRA makes you an obvious expert on epidemiology. I listen to true experts like Dr Anthony Fauci and lead CDC officials. Pence's role will most likely amount to filtering the actual data to suit Trump.

“ My issue with Trumps statements was that he misled the public by saying it’s just like the flu. “

No, that’s not what he said. I went back and looked at the transcript. He referred to there being 26,000 to 69,000 deaths from the flu each year as a way of giving a context for the Coronavirus. He never said “ it’s just like the flu”.

@meat72

That makes absolutely no sense. Why would the government want people to panic and disrupt the economy? More than anything the government wants the economy to stay strong and people panicking from a viral infection does the opposite.

So far, COVID-19 is less deadly than seasonal flu. This is purely media-driven, "State of Fear", ratings-seeking, electioneering, fear-mongering. Wash your hands, stay hydrated, and forget about it. Anyone panicking about a "deadly virus" is plain and simple fucking stupid.

@mark94

Okay maybe I misheard him at some point. But the issue with the flu comparisons is that beyond the fact that they have similar symptoms they aren’t really similar diseases. COVID 19 is significantly more deadly and more contagious. The mortality rate is being reported as 2.5% but the problem with that figure is that it only measures how many people have died out of all our cases including active ones. The case recovery rate indicates a mortality rate of more like 8%.

This is why I said it is 25-80 times more deadly than the flu which has a mortality rate of 0.1% and of whom 75% of fatalities occur in individuals 75 years of age or older.

So far with COVID 19 it would appear that people in their 50s and 60s are still at a major risk of dying or having permanent lung damage from contracting it. The risk gets a lot lower in your 40s but lots of people in their 40s and younger have still died from it or had serious cases.

Dear God @Gammanu, I don’t even know where to begin, just read what I posted above.

You guys have scared the hell out of me so badly that I am not going to go to any more strip clubs or vote.

^ me neither

The government is always making up imaginary wars and crisis to keep the stupid people who have all day to do nothing occupied, otherwise they may turn their efforts into overthrowing the corrupt do-nothing government. It’s been like that for ages! History always replicated itself in some shape or form CC99

The Rachel Maddow Show - At Trump press conference, two contrasting stories emerge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwnyQOUV…

SJG

Daniel Castro - I'll Play The Blues For You
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioOzsi9a…

Slow Blues/ Blues Ballads 1 - A two hour long compilation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8oaxsHC…

TJ Street
https://tuscl.net/photos/5d699507cd73c
https://tuscl.net/photo.php?id=1061
https://tuscl.net/photo.php?id=3513

Old thread, valuable info, closed:
OT: Programmable Logic Devices
https://tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=5461…

@Meat72

Wars happen for much more complicated reasons than that.

Major outbreaks have occurred in China, South Korea, Japan, Iran, and Italy. In the past three days, smaller outbreaks appear to be happening in France, Spain, Germany, Switzerland, Sweden, Kuwait, Bahrain, the UAE, Iraq, Austria, and Norway.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronaviru…

I mean how the fuck did San Marino get a case? San Marino is a tiny island with a population of 33,000 people.

Do you honestly believe that its not going to come here? The only way to prevent it from spreading here is if we just completely shut down all travel and at this point even that might not be enough. Its spreading around Europe right now from people who hadn't even been to Italy.

PBS NewsHour live episode, Feb 27, 2020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvtKNLX6…

WATCH LIVE: CDC, State Department officials testify on international response to novel coronavirus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHcMV6-n…

WATCH LIVE: Pelosi holds weekly news briefing amid novel coronavirus budget talks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djtSQd6D…

SJG

Daniel Castro - I'll Play The Blues For You
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioOzsi9a…

Slow Blues/ Blues Ballads 1 - A two hour long compilation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8oaxsHC…

TJ Street
https://tuscl.net/photos/5d699507cd73c
https://tuscl.net/photo.php?id=1061
https://tuscl.net/photo.php?id=3513

Old thread, valuable info, closed:
OT: Programmable Logic Devices
https://tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=5461…

“ Trump thinks it will cause people to question his qualifications and his decision to cut funding for the CDC”

The Associated Press just did a fact check proving this is false. Funding for the CDC was not cut.

WASHINGTON (AP) — Democratic presidential contenders are describing the federal infectious-disease bureaucracy as rudderless and ill-prepared for the coronavirus threat because of budget cuts and ham-handed leadership by President Donald Trump. That’s a distorted picture. For starters, Trump hasn’t succeeded in cutting the budget.

He’s proposed cuts but Congress ignored him and increased financing instead. The National Institutes of Health and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention aren’t suffering from budget cuts that never took effect.

Nancy Pelosi, news conference, starting with Corona Virus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djtSQd6D…

SJG

Everything for Everyone: The Radical Tradition That Is Shaping the Next Economy
by Nathan Schneider, a leader in the Occupy Movement
https://www.amazon.com/Everything-Everyo…

Green New Deal full text, 14 pages
https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.…

Daniel Castro - I'll Play The Blues For You
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioOzsi9a…

Slow Blues/ Blues Ballads 1 - A two hour long compilation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8oaxsHC…

TJ Street
https://tuscl.net/photos/5d699507cd73c
https://tuscl.net/photo.php?id=1061
https://tuscl.net/photo.php?id=3513
https://tuscl.net/photo.php?id=3560
https://tuscl.net/photo.php?id=2305

Old thread, valuable info, closed:
OT: Programmable Logic Devices
https://tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=5461…

“damn Mexicans, bringing that CORONA shit up here from ol' mexico….

ask your servers for 'CORONA-free glasses'.. they have to quarantine the CORONA glasses in most states now according to the CDC”

Sometimes reality is stranger than fiction. Corona beer has seen a decline in sales since the Coronavirus hit the news.

Here's what happened: Timothy Ziemer was the white house official in charge pandemic response. He exited *two years ago* because Bolton reorganized the NSC and got rid of Ziemer's position:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-y…

Ziemer headed up the Ebola team, whose work was complete. So, they closed down the team. As Trump said, now that there is a new threat, they have reassembled a team to combat the threat.

This much is true, whatever Randumbmember tells you, do the opposite and you won’t marry an Asian and cheat on her by paying women half his age to provide sexual favors in exchange for money. That is the only thing Randumbmember knows about, being a monetary trick. Lol!

^This doesn't sound like a bad outcome in life to me 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

If/when Coronavirus takes foothold in the US, what activities are most likely to spread the bug ? Lap dances and Asian massage parlors would seem to be high on the list.

If the coronavirus makes it into either Follies or Hong Kong, it's game over.

The top tourist destination for people from Wuhan is Bangkok. Until recently, 20,000 people per month traveled from Wuhan to Bangkok. By now, every brothel in Bangkok must be infected with the virus.

Sure CC, until you realize the consequences of going home to a lonely household because your wife can’t relate to you because she is a mail order bride and you finally come to the conclusion that you’re so socially awkward that your mail order Asian bride is the only shit you had at having a family life. Then as you raise your kids you find out they’re being bullied because you as a father trained them to be pussies because you were a sycophant to the liberal policies that destroyed every capitalist venture. That and the fact that Asian women are predominantly conservative and couldn’t possibly respect their liberal husband means you would have to sleep in separate bedrooms just to keep the marriage alive, even though you know it’s a sham!

I agree with others who say that this is getting ridiculous now.

For starters, it's not exceptionally deadly to anyone under 80 or those with other underlying medical conditions, which makes it much like the flu. In fact, for children, coronavirus is far less deadly than the flu, something which health officials are still trying to understand. As a father of three, this is the most important consideration for me.

So for the most part, people will get sick, then get better and return to work/school. Again much like the flu. I also suspect that, once this shakes out, the ultimate fatality rates here in the U.S. will be far lower than those reported in China.

I drank most of Coronas and never got a virus from it

The mortality rate in China is around 2%. The mortality rate in South Korea is much lower.

China lacks a modern medical system. Many of the people with the virus are getting little, or no, treatment. South Korea has a modern, western-style medical system.

Americans are avoiding Corona beer amid coronavirus outbreak, survey finds.

https://nypost.com/2020/02/27/americans-…

@Meathead-

I've been married for over two decades. My wife happens to be Asian -- but she was born here and she's a CPA working in the healthcare industry. I'm not sure what relevance her ethnicity has except that perhaps you're a bigot in addition to having extremely low self-esteem.

Current SB is blonde, early 20s, and models swimwear. I've been seeing her almost 18 months and she's sensational. My ATF SB happened to be Asian. At the time she was studying economics at Duke which is a top-10 school.

I've never gone to an AMP and I've posted several times about how AMPs exploit poor Asian women into coming here for a better life.

Anyway, nice try dipshit.

^^ Corona brainz

Planning to visit Follies this weekend before the virus spreads :D. I hope it’s safe to visit this weekend :/ and then stop going to clubs for sometime until it settles ..

@Meat72

I mean, my father is solidly right-wing but a lot of people here think I'm wimpy. There's a lot more variation in social values among right-leaning people than you think. And Asian conservatism really has more to do with family, gender roles (breadwinners and homemakers), order, and structure than being a tough guy which you seem to be extrapolating it to.

@RickDugan

And how do you think your children are going to feel when they are fatherless because their dad didn't take the virus seriously and failed to take measures to protect himself? I'm not saying that's going to happen, but you shouldn't just dismiss it because it is much more dangerous for older people than really young people. You don't have be 80+. The virus is killing a lot of people in their 50s and 60s.

Sounds like the same story from the Iranian Dept. Health Minister, making a statement about it being overblown, while showing symptoms... (his infection confirmed the next day, along with 210 dead).

And, apparently they believe it's 20 times more deadly than the flu.
But consider with the number of deaths for the flu, how many people get a vaccine every year? probably more than 70% of the population, so not only are 70% of people not getting the flu at all, but not spreading it.
But, they will get and spread the corona virus. And 2% will die.

===> "And how do you think your children are going to feel when they are fatherless because their dad didn't take the virus seriously and failed to take measures to protect himself?"

Like what CC, besides the obvious like hand washing and avoiding sick people, which most of us do anyway? Now maybe if this was the black plague and we were in the middle ages, we might consider extreme measures like hiding in a shack in the woods with a stockpile of food, despite whatever other real world consequences that might bring, but the coronavirus is certainly not something like that.

Its not the black plague, but it is a lot like the Spanish Flu. In-fact, its quite a bit worse because of its extremely high level of contagiousness.

Stock up on food and water so that you have enough for two weeks without leaving the house. Make sure to read up on how the virus spreads. It can spread very easily. There is a lot of airborne transmission and people can transmit the disease to you even if they display no symptoms. Stock up on Clorox wipes, hand sanitizers with 70% alcohol content or higher, gloves, and soap. Make sure to follow government actions taken to limit the spread. If they tell us to stay in our homes for weeks at a time and not leave, we have to do it.

CC, you're being crazy now. It's not like the Spanish flu. The reason that so many people died was because it was freakin' 1918. Medical care was nowhere near where it is today - we didn't even have antibiotics to treat secondary infections. It is a different world now. The Spanish flu was also far more deadly to young people than this coroonavirus.

This shit is really getting silly now. This mass hysteria stuff really needs to calm down.

Yes it was 1918, so the impact of it will hopefully not be anywhere near as bad because of us having better containment measures, better health, better nutrition and living conditions, as well as a significantly more sophisticated medical infrastructure. I'm not saying a COVID 19 pandemic will be as bad as the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic. What I'm saying is that the characteristics of the virus itself are at least as bad if not worse than the Spanish Flu. If COVID 19 had cropped up in 1918, it probably would've infected and killed more people than the Spanish Flu did. The Spanish flu killed more young people because people didn't really live very long past the age of 60 in 1918 anyway due to very poor comparative health. The health of a 25 or 35 year old in 1918 was much more similar to the health of someone at least two decades older for a developed country in 2020. A lot of young people died from various diseases back then.

But if COVID 19 hits countries like India or Pakistan. You'd probably see the impact being very similar to the 1918 flu because their medical infrastructure and living conditions are very poor by comparison. I already suspect that Iran is going to have a much rougher time with the virus than China did. I saw a video of a medical worker in Iran saying that several people in their 20s and 30s died just on his shift the night before and many Iranians, including their own local officials have accused the government is covering up the impact of the virus in order to save face.

I don't understand the extremes of "stick your head in the ground and find a way to ignore everything that's going on" and "put on your tinfoil hat and move into your underground survival shelter". It's already had an effect on the market, and yes, partially it's a correction, but everyone whose business includes manufacturing is already starting to see the supply chain get disrupted.

There's not a ton you can do to directly protect yourself against Wuhan, but you can anticipate and protect yourself against the reaction. We know what has happened in other areas and what happens when there's panic, there's a run on certain goods, that you can anticipate and prepare for: toilet paper and feminine hygiene products, pet food, soap & shampoo, shelf-stable foods like white rice and pasta and canned goods, all get run on immediately. The good news is, you can buy a little extra now, and even if there's never an issue, none of these things will really go bad, and if you're in an area where there's hurricanes or earthquakes, you should/could be rotating all this anyway. And if things get bad in your neighborhood and you decide to minimize how often you need to lead the house (I can work from home on a computer, not sure how many others can), well, now you can stay put.

No joking here this could have a serious damper on the strip club scene. Especially places like Vegas. Staff in my Company are already finding out major companies are bailing out of conferences there which threaten whether they will continue to be held.

On related news WSOP could be cancelled this season given news the virus is expected to peak June/July.

https://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/24…

According to new reporting, the the disease is, and will continue to be much more lethal in Asia based simply on the percentage of smokers, the story from the NYTimes suggests that smokers have compromised lung function, and that fewer Americans than ever are still regular smokers. I believe that more than 58% of Asian men are daily cigarette smokers, compared to currently less than 18% of American males.

Symptoms for this virus is fever, cough, and shortness of breath. No other symptoms seem to appear so it makes sense that smokers and those with compromised lungs would be most affected.

Two major tech conferences in Northern California have been postponed. Whether or not you believe coronavirus is a real health risk, it will impact the economy.

Interesting opinion piece from Scientific American.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/obs…

^^ good, common-sense, article and it's more important than ever to get information from people who actually know what they're talking about. Notice that Dr. Anthony Fauci canceled all talk shows for tomorrow after Pence took over. You know, since the deep-state is exaggerating the disease to bring down Trump.

The New England Journal of Medicine is publishing excellent updates and they're outside the reach of Pence's reach:

https://www.nejm.org/

*outside of Pence's reach

Here’s an interesting article about the 1918 flu from Smithsonian magazine. I think we can learn a lot from this article that applies to CoVid 19.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/t…

-->"Interesting opinion piece from Scientific American."

Again, showing that there's a difference between sticking your fingers in your ears and "la la la"ing, and building your own fallout shelter. Obviously, I like that article because it mostly echoes what I said -- for the most part, preparing means being able to minimize your exposure if your local area goes "hot". Just as the article said, that means a few weeks of shelf-stable food (which you'll eventually eat anyway)... what the article missed was the other things I listed (pet food, toilet paper, etc) which also undergoes a run and is needed if you want to self-sequester for a couple of weeks.

Exactly.

I’m correcting my earlier posts saying that the coronavirus affects healthy people as well as the old or otherwise disproportionately susceptible. Dr. Fauci and the media reporting this weekend says it does impact the old and weak more severely than the healthy. This is welcome news and I’m glad to correct my posts. 😷

It also appears that a modern medical system and good public health regimens are factors. There is one theory that transmission occurs in regions with poor control of fecal matter. Sorry San Francisco.

Oh man, imagine if it hits India ... fecal issues nearly as bad as San Francisco, poor healthcare, etc. Just a handful of cases so far, luckily

First diagnosis of a single COVID 19 patient in Rhode Island. Patient had traveled to Italy recently.

https://turnto10.com/news/local/ridoh-co…

Correction... presumptive diagnosis.

Good news. Article by the National Institute of Health published in the New England Journal of ity infections.

On the basis of a case definition requiring a diagnosis of pneumonia, the currently reported case fatality rate is approximately 2%. In another article in the Journal, Guan et al. report mortality of 1.4% among 1099 patients with laboratory-confirmed Covid-19; these patients had a wide spectrum of disease severity. If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.

The problem with all these articles is that they are giving mortality numbers based on "how many cases are there and how many people died." If you want to understand mortality in diseases, you need to look at the closed cases. How many people have actually gotten the disease and recovered from it vs how many died.

Looking at the numbers in Wuhan vs the rest of China. What it looks like is that, with proper medical treatment and a hospital system that is not overwhelmed (the rest of China), you will have a 1% mortality rate. When hospitals are overwhelmed however and lots of people who should be getting treatment aren't, you have more like an 8% mortality rate. In Iran, where the medical infrastructure isn't that good to begin with, we may be seeing an even worse mortality rate, but hopefully that won't happen in the US even in the event of an outbreak. The worse case scenario is every city turning into Wuhan but I think we'd be able to contain it better than that.

How much damage this virus causes will depend very heavily on how prepared our hospitals are to deal with a wave of serious cases. COVID 19 causes hospitalizations at 100 times the rate the seasonal flu does.

What will really give us accurate information though is South Korea. South Korea is administering thousands of tests every day, through drive through locations. They are testing everybody, even the asymptomatic. We haven't had enough time yet to see large numbers of recovered cases though, so data there is a bit inconclusive. But they are giving us much more reliable numbers than anybody else is.

Went strip clubbingand skiing for 4 days and none ofthis matters.

^^
Skifredo has been “strip clubbingand skiing” - in other words, the Starbucks he used live behind ran him off so he was off “tha interwebz” until found a new place with free WiFi to live behind.

Where did all the Ani Government Protesters in the streets of China go? Coronavirus = Chinese Government solution without having to shoot everyone. Shooting everyone would be messy. Producing a nationwide scare that the world would believe = PRICELESS! Well, the protesters are beginning to hit the streets again. What will the next major weebeastie be? Coronavirus is bad enough, but if vodkainfusedwinevirus hits, I’m FUCKED!

There is both good news and bad news out of the state of Washington. It now appears that CoVid 19 has been in the community for 6 weeks and that there are hundreds infected. The good news is that most of these people had such mild symptoms that they stayed under the radar. If true, this means that CoVid 19 has a similar affect to the normal flu. Mortality is 0% among children and ,2% among healthy adults. It is only the very old and chronically ill who are at risk.

https://hotair.com/archives/allahpundit/…

@Call.Me.Ishmael - It's ALWAYS a good idea to stockpile ammo. You never know!

Do the idiots here saying its like the seasonal flu or it will never reach the US believe me now? There were 4 deaths today in the US bringing our total to six. That's higher than all the other countries of Europe excluding Italy. Experts have been saying that the virus has been spreading for approximately six weeks and there are likely thousands of undetected cases right now. Despite this, they haven't even closed all the schools in Washington which is looking to be the epicenter in the US. We are in the midst of an outbreak at this current moment but people are not aware of it because the CDC has only conducted approximately 472 tests because it gives them a false sense of security to not confirm what's happening. The only reason why Europe looks worse right now is because they are on top of it instead of burying their heads in the sand and pretending its not here, the UK has conducted 13,525 tests, Switzerland has conducted 1,850, Austria has conducted 2,120, a week ago when the outbreak had not happened yet, France had tested 762 people, and South Korea has conducted an astonishing 109,591 tests.

I don't know about y'all, but I have enough supplies for three weeks the moment the government starts announcing lockdowns and quarantines. I've started wearing gloves in public and carrying hand sanitizer around with me. I am trying to avoid spending time in public as much as possible.

CC, you really got too much time on your hands to overthink a virus that even if you happen to come in contact with, likely you’ll be asymptomatic. 99% of the people will fight it off like the regular flu, and it’s always been those with compromised immune systems that are at risk of getting any flu. People have way too much time in their ha da reading headlines on their IPhones, especially the uneducated.

Meat72. You're looking at it wrong. If the virus becomes widespread (that is you're constantly exposed to it) it will become a deadly pandemic. That's why healthcare workers treating people with Coronavirus are dying from it at alarming rates. You don't see that with the regular flu.

@Meat72

That's absolutely not true. The hospitalization rate for coronavirus is 100x higher than flu and the death rate is between 10-80 times higher. I keep asking you guys, why the hell do you think China would freak out so much over a flu? People were barred into their apartments, trucks sweeped the streets disinfecting everything. The government has threatened to execute anybody who has symptoms of the virus and doesn't come forward. Crematoriums in Wuhan from January 22nd to February 23rd were receiving so many bodies that they've been working 24/7 for an entire month. Estimates are finally coming in saying the true death toll in Wuhan is likely around 60,000 people. People on China's Weibo website cannot believe how careless the rest of the world is being right now and are criticizing us for "ostrich policies."

And its not like the Chinese governments' first instinct was to overreact either. Many people in China are infuriated by their government's initial reaction to the virus as many local officials tried to cover it up and arrested anybody who talked about it. China lured themselves into a false sense of security for almost two months and now they are desperately trying to correct their mistake.

The scariest part though is that we are probably going to get more fucked by the virus than China did. We have no testing capabilities and no plan for how to deal with this outbreak. It has been festering in the country for weeks and we have no idea all the places it might've been. Plus I guarantee you the number of Americans who are going to do stupid shit like break quarantines or walk around without any protection is a lot higher than in China. Especially given the number of Americans right now who are not taking this virus seriously. Instead of pursuing the South Korea strategy, our government apparently wants to pursue the Iran and China strategy.

I'm the one who has actually kept himself informed about this virus, checking on it daily often for multiple hours a day. So you can either make fun of me for having the time to do so or you can listen to me and understand that I've done 100x more research than you have and have a much better understanding of how dangerous it is.

And by the way, its not me that I'm concerned about. Its my parents, I don't want to infect them. In order to protect them I need to protect myself. Young people can still be carriers of the virus even if we don't die or end up with scarred lungs from it as often.

Here’s the opinion of Dr. Drew Pinsky

PINSKY: I don’t know what they’re talking about. We used to point at the way Indiana responded to the opiate and the HIV epidemic as the model for the country. I don’t know what they’re talking about. The only reason I felt comfortable with Pence as Vice President was I was aware of his track record in Indiana in handling these serious problems, and they handled them better than most states did, almost any other state. So, I don’t know what the hell people are talking about. That is fake news…



We have in the United States 24 million cases of flu-like illness, 180,000 hospitalizations, 16,000 dead from influenza. We have zero deaths from coronavirus. We have almost no cases. There are people walking around out there with the virus that don’t even know they have it, it’s so mild. So it’s going to be much more widespread than we knew. It’s going to be much milder than we knew. The 1.7% fatality rate is going to fall.



Where was the press during the Mediterranean Corona outbreak, where the fatality rate was 41%? Why didn’t they get crazed about MERS or SARS? This is an overblown press-created hysteria. This thing is well in hand. President Trump is absolutely correct.

Ebola and Sara. The weak always panic. Almost 800 people died in car accidents yesterday.

Well hell, maybe we should all just walk instead..... you know everything you need is within walking distance..... if you have enough time.

The hysteria over this is nuts and media fueled. The lying, cheating filthy rat mainstream media will stop at nothing to destroy Democracy.

The FDA has promised one million test kits coming out soon. Oddly, the best possible outcome might be the revelation of 100,000 people already infected. That would prove that CoVid 19 is just of a run-of-the-mill flu bug which poses a risk only to those age over 80. We should know in a couple weeks.

Yeah I've seen videos of Drew Pinsky and I told the person who shared it with me that he either doesn't know what he's talking about or he is outright lying to the public. Given his credentials I'm more inclined to believe the latter. But he might be arrogant enough to have thought six weeks ago that COVID 19 isn't a big deal and he can't accept that its worse than he thought it was. Either way I think he's a moron.

@Skibum

Are you insinuating it was 800 in the US or worldwide? Either way, you would be extremely incorrect as that rate of car accident deaths would produce 292,000 deaths and in the US there are only about 40,000 and on a worldwide basis, India alone has about that many car accident fatalities. It was a poor comparison to begin with though because road accidents have a very stable rate while viruses produce deaths at an extremely fluctuated rate that can be very high or very low depending on the circumstances.

Normally I'd be roasting the Democrats. But in this case, nah. Its completely the Republicans fault this time for turning what should've been a clearly bipartisan issue into a left-right political football. One month ago nobody was politicizing this or drawing ideological boundaries in regards to the discussion but because people suddenly got worried about the virus embarrassing Trump, now Republicans are suddenly trying to downplay it, come up with bizarre conspiracy theories, and call it fake news. The mainstream media has been, if anything, downplaying the danger of the virus.

In China, 50% of fatalities have been younger than 70. People in their 50s and 60s (meaning you guys!) are still at a high risk. There are thousands of cases in the US right now that we don't know about. Thousands of them, we had 2, maybe 3 cases of ebola and 27 of SARS. Is it gonna take your neighbors dropping dead and bodies piling up at the morgue before you stop burying your head in the sand?

Pinsky is a hack and anyone quoting him is a moron

”Pinsky is a hack and anyone quoting him is a moron”

The nice thing about that argument is that it requires no knowledge, research, or logic. It can be used in any debate with minimal effort.

_________ is a hack.

Certainly and if it's the truth it saves band width, because it's irrefutable !

Hey I’m in Seattle rn, reading the news frequently bc i am very nervous. Comments here suggest only old people are getting CV....however....all the people who have died were old and had multiple known medical conditions but today there are two men in their 20s who were diagnosed and hospitalized. Three additional people have been diagnosed that are not old or sick, one is a minor and there are no details on that person in the news, one is a health care provider working in the nursing facility where the old people who have died were all living and she is recovering, and one is Washington State Patient Zero, who is recovered.

Almost everyone who has been diagnosed here is old and sick so we will probably know more about how the virus affects everyone else and how it’s treated as these few younger and not sick people attempt to recover.

All of these cases are in northern Seattle and I’ll be working there at the end of the week so wish me luck. 😢

I think what they've been saying is that the virus is more of a concern for the elderly and small babies. Folks in the middle age ranges have immune systems strong enough to fight it off.

CC: How do you get through life every day cowering in fear? Sorry about the extra zero only 80 fucking people died in car accidents. How many died if Corona virus. Aids, SARS, Ebola, all produced the same sissy panic. Hole in the ozone layer already killed us according to panicked predictions at the time. What would you like to do,? Ban foreign travel? End all imports? Ban all immigration? Try living.

PSD: The suspicion is that thousands of people in Washington are infected across all age groups. However, since test kits are not yet available, only those with severe symptoms are diagnosed.

It’s a game of probability. People in their 80s might have a 15% mortality rate while healthy adults are likely under 1%. So, there are lots of reports of people in nursing homes being sick but only a handful of healthy people in their 20s.

That’s actually good news for you. It means that the virus is no worse than the common flu or cold.

Yes i agree. The news here spun it like OH THE HORROR, ITS BEEN CURCULATING FOR 6 WEEKS—I’m like awesome, we all had it then and nothing happened.... 👍🏼

This is all about politics and has nothing to do with people.

Interesting to note that the reprehesible scum called Mainstream media and democratic candidates for President have all been claiming that Trump cut the CDC budget and that as a result this virus is his fault. The fact is the budget hasn't been cut at all and while trump's proposed biudget for nexty year is seeking a 16% cut, it only applies to money spent on chronic diseases and would have no impact on the virus testing anyway. Before leftie lunatic bitch about Fox news, this is based on Snopes and the CDC budget.

The CDC has gotten into all sorts of crazy Social Justice and diversity studies that distract it from its core mission. Cutting that crap out would make it more effective.

I won't pretend to know the severity of this thing but I do know people use panic like this to gain funding and power. 911 is a perfect example. Loss of personal freedom, unnecessary endless wars and increased military spending.

The best comparison that I’ve read about is Y2K. Remember how the world was going to end on 1/1/2000 ?

But we can take everything we learned about Y2K and apply it when Y3K comes around. 👌

I am unsuccessfully trying to think of a dumber, more nothing pkrase than "social justice". Just absolute bullshit.

Right now the spread looks exponential. Older people should be worried.

When this all shakes out, we're going to find that the mortality rates are significantly lower than those currently being reported. This is because, as others have said, only the very sick are even being tested. The overwhelming majority of cases are mild and some show no real symptoms at all, which means that most of them likely went unreported.

So unless you are old and have serious health complications - relax.

Almost 63 and I have more concern about the number of acorns that will fall in my yard in 2028 than I am about a virus.

In the flue season of 2017/2018, 4,000 people died ................................... every week. No one uttered a peep.

The Spanish Flu of 1918 wasn’t really understood until the 1930s. Looking back, one theory about why so many died is that people thought that aspirin could cure them. People were taking 10 to 50 times the recommended dose and that may have been fatal.

@Skibum

Yes foreign travel needs to be shutdown. We probably have somewhere between 2,000-3,000 cases right now and are likely exporting the virus all over the world. Areas of Washington and California need to be quarantined. Sick days need to be dramatically increased until the outbreak is over. Nobody comes to work or school if they are sick even if its "a cold." Testing needs to be increased dramatically. Start regularly disinfecting the surfaces of stores and other buildings.

ITS JUST THE FLU BRO!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQRunC3C…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IpetdqF…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwoyTjn5… (This one is really old)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKek0Y30…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hup9JtIN…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K-ERb3S…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_JY8DWv…

https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comme…

https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comme…

Reddit post...

"I literally just went to the doctor an hour ago with ALL the symptoms of coronavirus. I was Flu swabbed and tested negative. Additional testing showed signs of decreased lung capacity and/or fluid in lungs. I have. 100+F fever and a very bad dry cough. No runny nose no sore throat.

I was in Sacramento exposed to thousands of people last week and the weeks before it.

My doctor told me she can’t test me for coronavirus and sent me home."

There are 1.5 million test kits being shipped out to state hospitals and universities this week. Within 3 weeks, they expect every commercial testing lab to be able to perform the test. It’s a month or two too late, but they are catching up.

Yeah Reddit is always where I go for complete honesty. There is fucking 340 million people in this country and the internet is nothing more than a source of panic because of places like Reddit. There is something seriously wrong with the way people are reacting to this; seriously wrong. A formerly tough country has turned pathetically weak.

The Reddit posts link to news websites.

How do you continue to bury your head in the sand after hearing people screaming in Wuhan and collapsing in the middle of the street? The level of denial is just astonishing. I mean for fuck's sake what is it gonna take for you to treat this seriously?

Scary stuff. I miss my regular club that burned down 3 months ago and is opening soon. Havent been to a club since. Not sure what I'll do....

Where did your stats from? This is the updated death toll.
https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/cor…

CC, stop being such a hypersensitive pussy. Sack up and apply some critical thinking instead of getting sucked into every melodramatic puff piece.

I give up, y'all are hopeless. This virus has the potential to kill millions of Americans and disrupt all of our daily lives and you're trying to brag about how tough you are.

I hope I'm wrong and you stay safe.

@CC we're all gonna die, just a question of when LOL

The response to the virus has the potential to make me hope it does kill s few billion.

CC, even you must admit that you’re slightly overzealous to the
Point you want to make a mark on this site, to an audience of strip club junkies. Best you walk away from electronics for a few days and take a walk into nature.

===> "I give up, y'all are hopeless. This virus has the potential to kill millions of Americans and disrupt all of our daily lives and you're trying to brag about how tough you are."

Kid, do you really believe that you are better informed than others are? Or perhaps you feel like you're simply better equipped to analyze the data and form a conclusion?

No wonder you can't get laid. Panicky and arrogant is not exactly a winning combination for a young man looking to attract the fairer sex. Just sayin.

Testify rick my friend.

CC-ape needs to simply contemplate the worst case scenario. Let’s say all apes on the planet get the new coronavirus. 2% fatality rate? Pshaw... that’s a little over 150 million hairless apes. You’re telling me that would be a disaster? Too damn many of you frickin apes on this planet anyway.

Moreover, the young and the hot are more likely to survive. Higher proportion of hot and sexy female hairless apes sounds like a rick utopia - or ricktopia, if you will. Of course, CC-ape is a weakling so he’d probably perish anyway. Good riddance.

Aah... yup

Of course, I’m not advocating that all apes get the disease. There are some seriously cool bonobos and orangutans in the world. Nothing like going to a bar with a bonobo wingman my friends. I’m only advocating a culling of the hairless ape herds. Aah... yup.

===> "2% fatality rate?"

Please. When it all shakes out, this will likely be closer to .2%, much like the flu. There are likely already thousands of cases here in the U.S. that have gone un-diagnosed. In the vast majority of cases, the symptoms are mild and easily confused with other maladies.

Relax rick my friend, all I was illustrating was the worst case scenario.

But you make a good point. To truly achieve ricktopia we’ll need to wait for the pandemic with a 10%-fatality rate. But also easily transmissible and very mild in many hairless apes. That will ensure a much higher infection rate.

Oh well, here’s rooting for a better plague next year. Aah... yup.

I have seen this movie, They make a vaccine and it goes wrong, aka I Am Legend:-P

In all past viruses, the mortality rate in the US has been a fraction of the rate in the fecal covered shit-holes of the world. Go figure.

I'm with rick and mark wrt media hysteria over this. When all this shakes out, the ripple effects on the economy may be worse than the virus itself.
Witness the wild stock market fluctuations, the Fed's recent rate cut (overreaction, IMO). Ten year bond yields below 1%? Shoot, I have 6 month CD's and money market accounts earning more than that. (Though that likely will not last much longer.) Flight cancellations have a ripple effect, IATA forecasts world airline revenue decreases potentially as much as $112B, depending on how this thing plays out. Lufthansa announced the grounding of 150 of it's aircraft. No US airline has taken that drastic a step, but being more intertwined to the global economy than any other time can't be ignored. A ripple a continent away can eventually make a splash here.
Oh, and good luck to PSD in Seattle.

The real culprit are the dirty pricks in "mainstream media".

Nobody knows how the virus scare will play out. The market was overvalued anyway and good correction is healthy for the economy.

One thing for sure, a birther who doesn't believe in climate science nor evolution is the last person I'm going to listen to on topic like this.

A liar weho lies about what others believe in is typical of the filthy sdcum called progressives and atotal asshole. Climate science lol; fucking rtetard. I believe in evolution and it appears not everfy human has evolved as fgar as they should of and thus became Democrats.

Skifredo, you seriously need to calm down. Given your spelling and grammar you’ll be in danger of deportation to Retardistan if basic English language skills are ever made a requirement for American citizenship.

I suspect you can do better and are simply unable to spell or even make sense because you are just so filled with anger. I thought marijuana was supposed to mellow you apes out. Maybe you should smoke more.

Just some solid rickvice for a Fredo in need. Don’t say the ricks aren’t generous. Aah... yup.

First Coronavirus fatality in CA, Placer County.

Governor Newsom talks about California’s plans to fight COVID-19 , and he calmly, trying to down play it, declares a State of Emergency.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPIMRGcd…

Case had started from a Princess Cruise ship going from San Francisco to Mexico and back. Also going to Hawaii. Now ship is quarantined off shore as they fly test kits out to it. Test results within 4 hours.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/on-gran…

Remember, they had Sars in Asia, and it did kill lots of people and terrify everyone. But eventually it seemed to dissipate. These pandemics do always seem to dissipate.

SJG

Led Zeppelin, Danish TV 1969
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-WSbMW7…

Coming out of CoVid 19, the world will be a different place. The supply chain will leave China. Cruise Lines will be in difficulty for years. The same is true of movie theaters and live concerts. There will be less business travel. And, yes, I think strip clubs will have a tough time for the next year or two.

Strip clubs were always having issues and demographically will suffer the same fate as Horse racing; golf; steakhouses; cigars and baseball.

Someone close to me works in the travel and convention industry. Business has ground to a halt and there is no inkling when it will come back.

I feel confident that Chinese supply lines will return to normal fairly quickly.

SJG

My flight to Florida next month just got changed, because the original route was suspended. Left wing news is murdering the economy intentionally.

^^^^^^ I heard that skibum609's locked nursing home ward just got quarantined.

How to protect yourself, how to wash hands
Coronavirus Shopping List: What You May Need To Have On Hand
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-rVcaFS…

Epidemiologist predicts effects of coronavirus in the months ahead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDelUkpF…

Cruise Ship, coming back from Hawaii, being held off CA coast.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz0bTuYT…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi__oRij…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2MP_Z49…

Here they say that 80% of cases spontaneously recover
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbqD5zD-…

Roundtable: Coronavirus Is Best Case for Medicare for All
https://www.democracynow.org/2020/3/5/co…

Plant pollens are programmed to go off at different times. So allergy season is already upon us. Most of the symptoms of flues and colds are the same as with allergies. And most of the time it does not matter, not need to worry about flues and colds, as they are not that serious.

SJG

There was already a steady migration of manufacturing to non-China locations. This break in the supply chain will light a fire under that trend. For example, 80-90% of prescription medicine and medical equipment is made in China. That’s a huge risk. What will happen if the supply of anti-biotics is interrupted, or other critical meds ? We used to make those Meds in Puerto Rico. Time to bring I back.

What was the motivation for this steady migration of manufacturing to non-China locations?

I do agree though that we should try to manufacture everything we need in the US.

SJG

Here, the cruise ship seems to be just out beyond Golden Gate Bridge, but maybe this is an old file picture.
Gov. Gavin Newsom on cruise ship Grand Princess, which is being held off California coast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1DTI1gY…

No, they are saying that coming back from Hawaii, it remains 100 nautical miles off the coast! They want people to stay in their state rooms, required. Coming from Federal CDC.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-ylmJOh…


Going by what they say, test results should be available soon. I think they are only testing people who show symptoms. But the distance adds about 1 hour of air travel each way to this.

Where do they get these test kits, who makes them, and what is in them? They still have to be sent to a lab? They are sending it to one in Richmond. What does the lab do?

Maybe this will finally help our society transition to work from home.

Health people saying this is worse than SARS.

Plant pollens are programmed to go off at different times. So allergy season is already upon us. Most of the symptoms of flues and colds are the same as with allergies. And most of the time it does not matter, not need to worry about flues and colds, as they are not that serious.

How to protect yourself, how to wash hands
Coronavirus Shopping List: What You May Need To Have On Hand
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-rVcaFS…

Epidemiologist predicts effects of coronavirus in the months ahead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDelUkpF…

Cruise Ship, coming back from Hawaii, being held off CA coast.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz0bTuYT…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi__oRij…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2MP_Z49…

Here they say that 80% of cases spontaneously recover
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbqD5zD-…

Roundtable: Coronavirus Is Best Case for Medicare for All
https://www.democracynow.org/2020/3/5/co…

First Coronavirus fatality in CA, Placer County.

Governor Newsom talks about California’s plans to fight COVID-19 , and he calmly, trying to down play it, declares a State of Emergency.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPIMRGcd…

Case had started from a Princess Cruise ship going from San Francisco to Mexico and back. Also going to Hawaii. Now ship is quarantined off shore as they fly test kits out to it. Test results within 4 hours.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/on-gran…

Remember, they had Sars in Asia, and it did kill lots of people and terrify everyone. But eventually it seemed to dissipate. These pandemics do always seem to dissipate.

SJG

Led Zeppelin, Danish TV 1969
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-WSbMW7…

The Doors Live at the Hollywood Bowl- 1968
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yJvGFDL…

Ship had gone round trip to Mexico and was coming back to San Francisco. Ready to do round trip to Hawaii. But trip interdicted as it was leaving because of sick passengers and crew. Now quarantined 100 miles of coast.

4 Australians in there. 3500 people on board.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbV_FiyH…

Man who died, 71 years old, was on Mexico trip. Died in Placer County.

SJG

@RickDugan

I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that I'm better informed than you guys are. I've been researching the outbreak like its a part time job since late January. I've been reading newspapers not just from the US but from Norway, from France, from the UK, from Germany, from Taiwan, from Japan, from South Korea, and even China itself. You can make fun of me for having "too much time on my hands" all you want, but it doesn't impact the fact that I'm definitely better informed than you guys are.

And the problem with your analysis of the data is that you're not taking into account the fact that China has massively under-reported the death toll. Everyone knows China is lying, but because they can't 100% confirm it, people are treating China's official numbers as if it was 100% true. Which it doesn't make sense to do that when everyone knows they are not true. Back in February 12th, the Taiwan News talked to a funeral home worker in China and discovered that from January 22nd to February 12th, the crematoriums in Wuhan have been burning bodies constantly, receiving 4-5 times the number they usually do.

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/38…

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/taiwan-ne…

The death toll for those days would be at least 35,000 people. This is over 10x the numbers the CCP is releasing. Even this number doesn't indicate what it probably is however because the death toll in Wuhan has been steadily increasing since early January, and the outbreak in Wuhan was still looking pretty bad until February 23rd. Assuming the average numbers from January 1st-January 21st and from February 13th-February 23rd are half the numbers from January 22nd-February 12th, and you get a little over 60,000 people.

Given that Wuhan's population was 9 million people at the time of the outbreak (2 million people had left the city previously to the outbreak). This means the mortality rate is much much higher than your estimate of 0.2%. It means that 0.40-0.65% of the entire city's population died in less than two months. Now please, tell me again how that is remotely comparable to a "bad flu/influenza season?"

And no, China is not a "fecal covered shithole." China's cities especially have a medical infrastructure that is very comparable to the United States. This map shows the quality of each country's healthcare system. China's is a little lower than ours is. But a major reason for that is because hospitals in rural areas provide a much lower quality of healthcare than urban hospitals do whereas US hospitals provide a high quality of care regardless of location. I wouldn't be surprised if the quality of medical infrastructure is slightly lower in Chinese cities, but its not a massive difference. If we are talking about the cities themselves, I imagine Los Angeles and San Francisco look much more fecal covered than Wuhan does.

https://www.sciencenews.org/wp-content/u…

Wuhan had a high death rate because the hospitals were overwhelmed with patients and they couldn't attend to everyone. There is no reason to believe this couldn't happen in the US.

I would talk about the mutation of the virus, the fact that we have an S type which is more mild affecting Germany, South Korea, and Japan. While the L type is what initially exploded in Wuhan, and has now traveled to Iran, Italy, and a combination of S and L has come to the US west coast. But I really need to head out.

Of course CC isn't taking into accounbt that the CDC announced that most people who get it will not even become sick or will be mildly effective. Hysterics always ignore anything that might dent their irrationality. lets see, so far, according to the idiots in Governent and medica we have all died from Sars; Ebola; Swine Flu and on and on. No one gets that this is the firststep on using quarantine against the populace the way we put Japanese-Americans into concentration camps. You know what will happen if I get sick and die? I will get sick and die; boo hoo. Those afraid to die are afraid to live. Taking everyone in my extended family out for Chinese food this weekend, with no msg and more corona virus please.

I would select this as a good time to stay home.

I notice less cars on the road, less retail patronage, and especially less restaurant patronage.

I feel that mutation is why these pandemics eventually pass. At least that was how it was in Stephan Kings, "The Stand".

SJG

So who wants to chip in for a fund to send a couple of super adorable mid-to-late teen mail order brides from Wuhan to CC’s house?

^ Aren’t the Waifu’s from Wu Han or is that the Waifu’s from Wah Hoo and don’t they come in a mail order catalog?

Don’t worry about getting the coronavirus from Chinese food Skifredo.

Even if one were to postulate that the insane crab logic that food from Chinese restaurants in America causes coronavirus was correct, I have to inform you that the Panda Express doesn’t count as real Chinese food.

So take your extended family out to the dumpster behind the Panda Express and enjoy yourselves! Squawk!

^^^^^ Sending mail order brides to CC won't cause him to get infected 'cause he only likes the Waifu type, made of silicone rubber. And they do come across as very young. Seem to be made undersized, so they can fit easily under the coat hanger rod in your closet. Easy storage, lighter weight too.

Probably the Coronavirus jumped from the vulture species. These new crossovers are always the worst because there is no human immunity yet.

SJG

Saying that the coronavirus has mutated into two strains.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-n…

But these two strains are just from China, so there could be more.

Congress approved an $8.3 billion emergency spending bill to fight the virus, but officials in multiple countries say the virus will keep spreading fast for some time.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/05/world…

What I am looking for is news about what happened of the testing of the Grand Princess cruise ship, 3,500 on board, heading to Hawaii, now being held 100nm off the CA coast.

Coronavirus: Tests Underway On Cruise Ship Passengers, Crew
The Grand Princess is expected to dock in San Francisco, once it's given the all-clear.
https://patch.com/california/san-francis…

So now again it sounds like it was coming back from Hawaii.

235 Canadians onboard Grand Princess, 100 persons identified for testing.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/grand-p…

"Earlier today, the California Air National Guard delivered test kits to the cruise ship so that passengers could be tested for the virus."

Here, they say it is a Coast Guard helicopter delivering the testing kits. I know they then plan to fly them back to a lab in Richmond.
https://i.cbc.ca/1.5487492.1583443454!/c…

SJG

Frampton 1995
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfiDIcGO…

I have to inform you Rick the douchebag that only a dumbfuck like you would consdider Panda Express chinese food and that you'd probably piss yourself if you ate Beef osumum. Fuck off and die bitch.

Relax skifredo. I bow to your superior culinary knowledge. Or more accurately, I would bow to said knowledge if you actually knew the correct spelling for “osumum”.

Besides, there is little food that bothers us vultures. Hairless ape preparation is a bit gross. Just leave some meat sitting in the sun for a day or two and it is yummy yummy yummy. Doesn’t matter if it is muscle, brisket, or things you believe to be soooo exotic like tripe... Squawk!!!

Skifredo, we ricks just want to challenge you to improve your understanding of the world. You should really thanking the vulture for his help. We’d hate for the raccoons at the Panda Express dumpster to laugh at you when you try to impress them by asking for omasum and mispronounce it.

Please skifredo, listen to the ricks and learn. Us superior beings only wish to help our inferiors. Okay, that’s not completely true. We also like to fuck with our inferiors. But only if it is funny.

Scuttle! Scuttle! Scuttle!

^^^^^^ Anyone who is not on the Rick Spectrum is merely a Muggle!

SJG

Why do you guys keep bringing it back to the mild cases? Yes I get it, most cases are mild. The chances that you specifically will die are probably low. But it doesn’t take a high mortality rate to cause very large numbers of people to die if we are talking about a very contagious disease. That’s why China freaked out so much. 0.5% of the country dying is still 1.7 million people which is a terrifying level of human life loss.

As for Chinese food. There’s no extra risk there. I’d be more worried about crowded areas in general.

I took a dump this morning worth more as a human being than all the Rick's combined.

CC, you are doing more harm than good. It’s alarmists like you who cause people to tune out the actual warnings. Take it down a level. Or three.

@ski: Have a Snickers. ;)

@CC: We don't panic over this for the same reasons that we don't panic over the flu, which also kills hundreds of thousands of people worldwide each year. First, because the risks of serious results are almost non-existent for younger healthy people and, second, because there is no point in worrying about something over which we have little control.

I think you are seriously underestimating this virus ski JimmyMcnulty. The CDC has announced that an outbreak is inevitable at this point. There’s too many countries now that could potentially spread COVID 19 for us to isolate it properly.

A major reason why it has spread is because of people not taking it seriously. COVID 19 is somewhere between 25-80 times more deadly than the flu is. The comparisons between the two end at their symptoms.

This isn’t Zika or h1n1. This is the real deal. Unfortunately it seems people have gotten complacent and over confident in regards to diseases because it’s been so long since we suffered from an epidemic like this.

It’s worth reminding everyone that the CCP is not releasing accurate numbers. The numbers are likely at least 10x as high as they are reporting. Crematoriums in Wuhan have been getting overwhelmed with bodies as they are working 24/7 for weeks to burn them all. The numbers Iran is reporting are likely not accurate either as their own mayor in Qoms criticized the central government for covering up close to 50 deaths.

Imagine if people panicked and barricaded themselves in their houses during every flu season. The work of nations would grind to a halt.

@rickdugan This is exactly what we need to do.

Compromise. I will barricade myself in local strip club

“COVID 19 is somewhere between 25-80 times more deadly than the flu is.”

That is inconsistent with everything I’ve read. Flu mortality is historically around .1%. Chinese mortality for CoVid is maybe 2% but they’ve been understating the number cases. So, it might be 1%. And, their medical system is non-existent. People are put on cots in huge auditoriums and left to die.

Here in the US, as we test more people over the next month, I think we’ll find the overall mortality will be well below 1% and nearly all fatalities will be older patients with serious pre-existing conditions.

This year, so far, 18,000 people have died from the common flu in the US. About 200,000 have been hospitalized. Countless millions had the flu without bothering to see a doctor.

From The Hill

“The best estimates now of the overall mortality rate for COVID-19 is somewhere between 0.1 percent and 1 percent. That’s lower than you’ve heard probably in many reports,” Assistant Secretary of Health Brett Giroir said Thursday during an appearance on Capitol Hill.

“This is likely more severe in its mortality rate than a typical flu season, but it’s certainly within the range. So we don’t want people to go crazy,” he added.

Giroir also pointed out the problems with trying to track people with mild cases.

"If you're really sick and you have respiratory failure, and you go see someone, and you get tested, but if you're not very ill, they do not get tested," Giroir said. "The main point is if you're young and healthy you are likely to have a very mild illness."

No, I'm not being an alarmist for telling the truth. I hate people who can't acknowledge obvious truths. My conclusion from this thread is either A. You guys are even more afraid than I am but lack the courage to admit that this is a serious virus so you want me to shut up. B. You genuinely have a severe cognitive deficiency that cripples your ability to make accurate threat assessments. Or C. You didn't read anything I posted or watched any of those videos and just scrolled to the bottom of the page to be like "Haha! HySteRical PaNicKing PuSSy!" 🙄

Another post from Reddit...

"Been living in China for 7 years. People in the rest of the world do not understand face. China will always, always focus on maintaining a good image even when the underlying reality is shit. For China to admit to the world that they lost control of the situation and for them to humble themselves as they did means the reality of this virus is worse than we can imagine. Because if it wasn't bad, the government would have covered it up and dealt with the problem quietly. They risked international and domestic humiliation because they feared the virus more than they feared losing face. This might seem obvious and logical to us, but to the Chinese it isn't always so. For them to do what they do, means the virus must have scared the ever living shit out of them, we should respect that and take similar pre-cautions. I wish the world tried to understand the basics of Chinese culture, for if they did they would realize this is not a drill..."

https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comme…

Why do I need to get through to these people's thick heads? Because of shit like this...

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/12005625…

https://time.com/5795405/new-hampshire-c…

Its true that we won't precisely know the mortality rate until five years from now. Because there is likely long term damage that can be caused by a hospitalization. COVID 19 can cause lung fibrosis that a person may survive the initial infection but die from 5 years later. There are reports of people getting reinfected and dying in Wuhan after being considered "a recovery."

But the most compelling evidence of all is just fucking common sense which people in this thread don't seem to have. Why in the hell would China lock down their entire country for something similar to the flu? I mean for God's sake people use your fucking brains. Its like you guys think this needs to be the next smallpox or bubonic plague and anything less serious than that and you'll call it "just the flu bro."

I feel bad for you CC. Living in panicked fear isn't living. I played poker in a casino last night and went out for Chinese food.

Most respiratory viruses have a season. They are spread during winter then seem to disappear in the summer. It’s believed to be because airborne viruses don’t survive in hot, humid environments.

Right now, the virus is spreading in cold ( 45 degree ) South Korea but doesn’t seem to be spreading in hot ( 85 degrees ) rainy Singapore.

If this pattern holds for CoVid 19, then we could see a temporary halt to its spread in the US in a couple months. Then, the race is on to develop a vaccine before the next season.

I feel bad for CC, too. If anything he has forgotten to listen to one of the most important things President Trump has been saying for the past 4 years; Fake News!

I thought you’d have learned by now all about the liberal lame stream media, but I guess it’s true that some people want to believe in all of the lies purported out there. Otherwise it would mean all that time they spent reading and listening to the lame stream media was a waste of time. I got real news for you CC, it is a waste of time!

Come... come... let’s focus on the important questions:

1) Why does skifredo want to get coronavirus? I mean really, he seems to have a serious hard on for the virus. That’s kind of weird.

2) Why does skifredo think that merely eating Chinese food leads to coronavirus infections?

Perhaps the many virologists and epidemiologists posting on this thread could help skifredo get infected. I suggest we give him donations to help him fly to Seattle and advise him to lick random people on the street. Even if he doesn’t achieve his dream of getting a coronavirus infection that could still yield some funny videos!

Scuttle! Scuttle!

===> "I hate people who can't acknowledge obvious truths."

Funny. I hate people who take a look at an incomplete data set and automatically believe that their view of events is the "obvious truth." It signals a combination of intellectual deficiency and emotional weakness.

CC, step back and use your brain a bit instead of reaction to an overabundance of estrogen in your system. Don't take top line numbers spoon fed, especially in a place like China. The numbers probably aren't reliable simply because most people there don't have ready access to a doctor, which means that most with the virus have likely gone un-diagnosed. This impacts both the mortality rate figure, which is likely much lower than reported, and the number of positive cases, which is likely substantially higher than the official count.

If you are educated enough to maintain servers for a living, then you should be sharp enough to take a breath and do a deeper dive into numbers being casually scattered around by media types.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
This thread keeps getting better and better as time goes on. Love it.

Now look, maybe you guys did not get it the first time so I will repeat.

I'm not being an alarmist for telling the truth. I hate people who can't acknowledge obvious truths. My conclusion from this thread is either A. You guys are even more afraid than I am but lack the courage to admit that this is a serious virus so you want me to shut up. B. You genuinely have a severe cognitive deficiency that cripples your ability to make accurate threat assessments. Or C. You didn't read anything I posted or watched any of those videos and just scrolled to the bottom of the page to be like "Haha! HySteRical PaNicKing PuSSy!" 🙄

Another post from Reddit...

"Been living in China for 7 years. People in the rest of the world do not understand face. China will always, always focus on maintaining a good image even when the underlying reality is shit. For China to admit to the world that they lost control of the situation and for them to humble themselves as they did means the reality of this virus is worse than we can imagine. Because if it wasn't bad, the government would have covered it up and dealt with the problem quietly. They risked international and domestic humiliation because they feared the virus more than they feared losing face. This might seem obvious and logical to us, but to the Chinese it isn't always so. For them to do what they do, means the virus must have scared the ever living shit out of them, we should respect that and take similar pre-cautions. I wish the world tried to understand the basics of Chinese culture, for if they did they would realize this is not a drill..."

www.reddit.com

Why do I need to get through to these people's thick heads? Because of shit like this...

www.stuff.co.nz

time.com

Its true that we won't precisely know the mortality rate until five years from now. Because there is likely long term damage that can be caused by a hospitalization. COVID 19 can cause lung fibrosis that a person may survive the initial infection but die from 5 years later. There are reports of people getting reinfected and dying in Wuhan after being considered "a recovery."

But the most compelling evidence of all is just fucking common sense which people in this thread don't seem to have. Why in the hell would China lock down their entire country for something similar to the flu? I mean for God's sake people use your fucking brains. Its like you guys think this needs to be the next smallpox or bubonic plague and anything less serious than that and you'll call it "just the flu bro."

Post some more speculation from the geniuses at Reddit, then tell us again what morons we are. I think that’s your best strategy for winning the argument.

Fake news

Everything is fake news until it happens to you then it gets real fast
I think there’s a tremendous amount of hype surrounding this and it’s going to take some time to separate the wheat from the chaff
In the meantime everyone would be better served by listening to the doctors and scientists and having the politicians shut the fuck up.

Around 4 million CoVid test kits will be going out in the next couple weeks. Within a month, we should have a much better handle on where things stand. My guess is this will give the media an opportunity to scream that thousands have tested positive.

32 cases now in Santa Clara County!!
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/03/07/s…

SJG

The media is agreed about two things
1. Coronavirus is the worst natural disaster in history
2. Trump’s incompetence is epic

To test these, let’s go back to the H1N1 flu under Obama ( from Don Surber blog):

“CNN reported on October 26, 2009, "President Obama has declared a national emergency to deal with the rapid increase in illness from the H1N1 influenza virus."

The story also said, "Since the H1N1 flu pandemic began in April, millions of people in the United States have been infected, at least 20,000 have been hospitalized and more than 1,000 have died, said Dr. Thomas Frieden, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention."

So, Obama did nothing for 6 months while millions became infected and over 1,000 died. No one in the press criticized him. Meanwhile, Trump shut down flights from China and organized a high level task force to deal with the disease, all before a single American was infected, let alone a single death. Even now, the Coronavirus has done a small fraction of the damage that H1N1 did before Obama acted.

The mainstream snooze is lefty wing so Obama got a totally free ride.

As of today basically over 5% of the cases in Italy have been fatal (over 1/20). Those are not small numbers and its a place with advanced western medical infrastructure. It's clearly not just another flu and the countries that

No being an alarmist but those numbers go up in places lacking medical care.

It is what it is.

....and the countries that initiate quarantines are simply moderating the disease from overwhelming their medical infrastructure.

I work in the energy business and our Company is already blowing the dust off the never before used Pandemic Procedures.

Except for the fact that most people who get infected will either be mildly ill or not ill at all which makes that 5% figure utter nonsense. Its 5% of reported cases, not 5% of all cases. As of February 1 2020, 20,000 Americans died

from the flu this year, but fuck them because 9 people died of Corona virus.

Reported cases get medical treatment and naturally have the best survival rate

Trump quote wow just wow
"I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it. Every one of these doctors said, 'How do you know so much about this?' Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for President."
This is a real quote from the President of the United States. What more is there to say.

From ABC:

California Gov. Newsom had kind words for Pres. Trump and Vice Pres. Pence when asked about the administration's handling of coronavirus and cruise ships:

"We had a very long conversation, and every single thing he said they followed through on."

It's not the black death if that's what you are getting at. It's just easily transmittable with the potential to overwhelm medical facilities causing additional mortality in the vulnerable cases. If you think I am worried you are mistaken. I am not in a vulnerable class.

It would be tragic for a nation to do nothing. The media fires up people and over states the danger but nonetheless there is a threat and the tide is being stemmed until a mass vaccination can be found and deployed.

From NY Post:

This month, the Northern Hemisphere, which includes the countries with the most cases, starts heating up. Almost all respiratory viruses hate warm and moist weather. That’s why flu dies out in America every year by May at the latest and probably why Latin America has reported only 25 coronavirus cases. The Philippines, where I live, has about a third of the US population, but it’s so damned hot and humid here, so far we have had no confirmed cases of internal transmission.

If you like your doctor you can keep them; If you like your insurance you can keep it; Obamacare is not a tax. Lie, lie and lie and yet there are those who think that turd did a good job lol.

Health care is going to change, as is the tax code, and as are lots of other things.

SJG

Obviously political turds own this thread. Enjoy your useless non-factual universe. Checking out....

Ok, buh bye.

The Chinese govt has announced that it is publishing a book describing how it brilliantly defeated the Coronavirus in China. Social media has caught on fire, declaring the book fake and full of lies. A press conference for the book, held in Wuhan, was ended when residents yelled “Fake” and shouted down the speakers.

^^^^ If only people here could see that Trump tries to lead by lies and denial.

SJG

Corona VIrus Task Force, today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGJm-XVQ…

SJG

Scientists at Israel’s Institute for Biological Research are expected to announce in the coming days that they have completed development of a vaccine for the new coronavirus COVID-19. They have made a breakthrough in understanding how the virus works. This will eventually lead to both a treatment and a vaccine but will require many months of safety testing. Light at the end of the tunnel.

Then why did you act as if Italy's healthcare system is comparable to Liberia's? If anything, the coronavirus is going to hit the US a lot harder than Italy because of how many people here are obese, have diabetes, or other conditions compared to Italy.

Why Only Rebellion Can Save Mankind From Climate Breakdown (w/ Roger Hallam)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSoI5489…

Trump Calls COVID-19 “Foreign Virus” as Lack of Universal Healthcare Makes the Pandemic Worse
https://www.democracynow.org/2020/3/12/c…

Lack of Paid Sick Leave Makes It Difficult for Many Workers to Comply with CDC Advice to Stay Home
https://www.democracynow.org/2020/3/12/c…

Coronavirus Poses Higher Risk For Homeless Population
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRwRDeiW…

One official Corona case in Portland
Could COVID-19 Remove Trump From Office?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QleGL1bp…

SJG

Devadip Carlos Santana & Turiya Alice Coltrane - Illuminations (1974 - Album)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da3zbut6…

God bless the President and thanks God for the corona virus; please send it to San Jose.

^^^^ And go ahead and free up skibum's space in the nursing home locked ward.

Ontario, baby boy case
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJNGrYvS…

Coronavirus: Trump suspends travel from Europe to US - BBC News
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xNfz5LT…

Stocks Plunge Following Trump’s Response To Coronavirus Pandemic | NBC News (stock market deflation is a very positive thing) (getting close to tripping 7% circuit breaker, suspending trading)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcyVyjja…

President Trump Announces Europe Travel Ban in Error-Laden Oval Office Speech
https://www.democracynow.org/2020/3/12/h…

Bernie Sanders: We Are Winning “Ideological” & “Generational” Debate, Now Need to Win “Electability”
https://www.democracynow.org/2020/3/12/b…

Is Over Population A Threat To The Planet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeLAZYhL…

Bill de Blasio, today, getting close to 100 NYC cases, expecting 1000 cases by next week. Conducting "War Gaming", always using a war analogy now!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dukXZeKQ…

Why Only Rebellion Can Save Mankind From Climate Breakdown (w/ Roger Hallam)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSoI5489…

Trump Calls COVID-19 “Foreign Virus” as Lack of Universal Healthcare Makes the Pandemic Worse
https://www.democracynow.org/2020/3/12/c…

Lack of Paid Sick Leave Makes It Difficult for Many Workers to Comply with CDC Advice to Stay Home
https://www.democracynow.org/2020/3/12/c…

Coronavirus Poses Higher Risk For Homeless Population
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRwRDeiW…

One official Corona case in Portland
Could COVID-19 Remove Trump From Office?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QleGL1bp…

SJG

Devadip Carlos Santana & Turiya Alice Coltrane - Illuminations (1974 - Album)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da3zbut6…

10", strapped on, 5 colors
https://pleasershoes.com/collections/ple…

TJ Street
https://tuscl.net/photo.php?id=1132