Do you go to a club looking for a dancer that was mentioned in a review?

No, but it's good to keep a mental note of girls with good reviews, though I think i forget them most the time.

There was a now-defunct forum I used to read, where the reviews were very heavily TR and stripper-review based, so there was a deep base of knowledge of many of the strippers -- and, in fact, you could look up reviews not just by club, but by stripper name, so even at the club, you could quickly get g-2 on the stripper you were interested in. Anyway, with that much intel on particular strippers, while I never went to a club looking for a particular stripper, I absolutely kept a running tallies of which strippers I wanted to meet and ones to avoid -- I am anal retentive so actually wrote it all down lol. It was unbelievably, enormously valuable in helping me zero in on fantastic strippers who gave great experiences, and avoiding the ROBs, GPSs, etc.

That's one of the reasons I'm so out of sync with the tuscl "cover charge, bar layout, and dance price" review ethic. Yes I'm being a snarky dick, but that's what it feels like coming from a forum where the reviews were focused on TRs and strippers. While I do go through reviews for clubs, strippers aren't mentioned often enough that the intel is actionable. Still, I'd prefer the opposite of you shadow: swing the ship the other way, name ROBs and GPS girls, name girls who gave you an amazing experience without giving compromising details, etc. Fuck yes, that information is unbelievably useful to people who are not furniture-level regulars.

Never. Ymmv.

What if Ron Jeremy wan mentioned in s raview.would you go looking for him shadowcat?

If it was from a reviewer I trusted and a club I would go to anyway, I'd do it. I am nitpicky with the strippers I like. I'm constantly on the search for the all natural perfect 10 that gives good mileage. I'll take all the help I can get.

Just like info on clubs is useful, so is info on dancers - whether sharing that info is positive or negative I guess depends on the particular PL.

Some may even not want to share details of a good club so it doesn't become too popular - I'm of "a rising tide raises all boats" mentality so I say info is good as long as it's not possibly jeopardizing a dancer.

MackTruck - Would you? You seem to be obsessed with him.

I would go to a club looking for a dancer I read about in a review - I see it analogous to a recon-mission to a club I haven't been to or haven't been to in a while - but I go with tempered expectations fully expecting she might not be there or she may not end up being my type.

When I first joined TUSCL I read about a few COI dancers and when I visited their club I was not interested in them as they were not my type, so I read reviews for entertainment and not decisión-making.

I totally agree to not name DS, so they do not get in trouble with LE or the club and ROBs and GPS should be named with the details why they the experience was thought to be ROB or GPS.

"If you've got a good thing going, why share her?"

Since I do not feel she is mine to share, I gladly share my experiences, Intel, and opinions with my TUSCL brethren vía reviews and PMs.

Also, when in TJ and hanging out with TUSCLers I always point out the BGs I took arriba so my buddies can make an informed decision, YMMV.

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I don’t mind using names just not paired with anything crazy is all. And unless it came with pictures I would not seek out a name in a review, I would have to see what they look like personally.

-->" But I also think it'd be usually okay to make general comments like "Dancer named Abstention was awesome""

The thing I keep in mind is, she can get in trouble with management, which is bad. But you can still write things that are ok with management but get her in trouble with the other girls (which can be worse) and with her regulars (which can be worstest). You can definitely do more than say she was awesome, and I think describing her, her body, etc. is important so people can see if the Jade they're seeing is the same Jade you described (minus the fact that I can't tell any of the Jades apart).

I wonder if the reason so many guys here think cover charge and dance prices are more important than knowing which girls are great and which aren't, is because there just has never been enough info in reviews here to really be useful. Not sure that's ever going to change, but I can dream :)

I don't like to divulge names and am uncomfortable even without using a name giving out information that can help identify a specific dancer unless she was a ROB, but there's plenty of intel in the better reviews that gives a picture of what to expect at a specific club, at least to those of us that are regular club goers, I have never had a reason to search for a dancer that was mentioned in a review.

Not in the big cities. Here in Smalltimore, I definitely did when the best club had a veteran crew that stayed in place for 3-4 years. It was pretty high mileage and some excellent dancers’ names came up frequently. Sometimes referencing extras but not always. At least you’d know what night certain girls worked.

I didn’t go for her specifically, but was on the lookout during a trip to Phoenix a few years back to meet Butterfly at HiLiter. She had to be mentioned 50 times over the years by name and another 50 times as a girl who is an “Asian winged insect.” How could you not try her after all those notes? Finally ran into her and it was definitely worth it.

I do not. As the OP stated, too often she won't be there or won't deliver to you want you want. But I do appreciate seeing names nonetheless. I read reviews to get a general idea of what happens there. So when I go to the club I have reasonable expectation of how I will like it. If a particular dancer happens to be there, that's a bonus.

Do I go to a club specifically for a dancer mentioned? Nope. That doesn't make sense to me, because everyone in here had different tastes. I might go looking for dancer x, and dancer x might not even be close to my type. To me, the experience is lessened if you're not interested in the dancer being described, regardless of freedom of movement during the dances. I try and mention if a girl is enthusiastic during dances, and her general demeanor, because different people like different things. If she really gets into the dance and I feel like she's enjoying it (real or really good acting) that's a factor to some people. I think if I can convey my experience to a certain degree, it should help another monger decide whether that girl is going to be worth getting dances from. It's a TOFTT situation so someone can have a general idea about what their dance experience is going to be like. It helps, especially in situations where places do discounts for multiple dances, but you have to commit up front. There's nothing worse than committing to a 3 dance set, and realizing 30 seconds into dance 1 that all 3 are going to suck.

Nope. Hell, a strippers name changes with the wind. Just ask Nicespice... errr... Blahblahblah23... errr... hell, ask that dancer over there 👉

No, but sometimes I'll check reviews afterwards to see if someone else's experience with a dancer matches my own. Too many times reviews are left by the dancers themselves or by competitors. Maybe not here on TUSCL, but certainly elsewhere.

I agree with whoever above that says it may be more useful where clubs are maybe lower volume or have lower turnover, or where club management doesn’t like travel dancers.

In most Texas clubs, I’d say it would probably be near worthless.

From a personal standpoint, it’s pretty cool when I see someone mentioned in club reviews I’ve met before. Two dancers in particular I do think are pretty nice people IRL.

===> "Do you even go to a club because dancers names were given?"

Nope. I much prefer the hottie that nobody is talking about.

I don’t pay a ton of attention to names and don’t go to a club because of them. Maybe I would care more if I were in a higher mileage area, I don’t know.

I would not go looking for a dancer by name. I would just enjoy what they have there right then.

SJG

===> "I wonder if the reason so many guys here think cover charge and dance prices are more important than knowing which girls are great and which aren't, is because there just has never been enough info in reviews here to really be useful. "

Sub, maybe you should read more reviews outside of your local market. There are also plenty of guys out there who name names and describe services, especially in reviews of some of the UHM clubs.

You are welcome to every girl who is named in a review for doing something like giving a great blowjob while tickling his balls. 'Cause if she is doing that indiscriminately to one mouthy dipshit in a UHM club, then she's doing it to a string of them, which I do not find personally appealing.

I don't go to a club specifically looking for a particular girl just because she was mentioned, but I do generally read all the recent reviews for a club I am going to to get a run down on some of the girls. If a girl is mentioned multiple times (either positively or more importantly negatively) it will help me narrow down my selection of whom to spend time, effort and money on. This works well for me since I primarily club at smaller Midwestern clubs that typically employ less than a few dozen girls and don't get a ton of travelling dancers and generally have relatively low turnover. But like others have said don't say anything that would get the girl in trouble with the club, other dancers or the police and you highly complex code of saying she sang you some Billy Joel and Frank Sinatra isn't going to help her avoid trouble.

The only time I went to a club because of a girl that was mentioned was when I saw a review that mentioned where a particular dancer that I enjoyed (but not often enough to bother getting contact info from) had moved to. For that reason I do like when someone mentions something like "it was nice to see Barbie that I had seen before at Club X is now here at Club Y."

I’m terrible at remembering names....I could read a review beforehand and forget names and details. Find the names more helpful after I see/meet the ladies. I have particular tastes and I go off of that. The reviews are most helpful in general club info - mileage, costs, etc.

-->"@Subraman, we can discuss dancers forever in reviews and discussions to no avail. Great and not great when it comes to dancers is super subjective."

Heaving -- that's all just blue-sky theory. The fact is, while it's true it's subjective, I'm not guessing or making theories, for 10+ years I was part of a site where the reviews were dancer-centric, and we all found it incredibly useful, to the point where pretty much no one felt the need to mention cover charges and dance prices. Not a guess, not a theory, fact. Best if you get a critical mass so you get the typical crowdsourced averaging-out of experiences, but man, it just plain worked. The girls who provide great service and treat their customers well, float to the top

--->" But like others have said don't say anything that would get the girl in trouble with the club, other dancers or the police and you highly complex code of saying she sang you some Billy Joel and Frank Sinatra isn't going to help her avoid trouble."

"others" might have said that in this thread, but first I said that, and I'm the first one in the thread to bring up not just management, but the other girls, and potentially jealous regulars. Everyone can figure out the codes, it's silly. No reason to mention specific acts, in code or not. Again, I'm not guessing or theorizing, an enormous community basically ran on these reviews, and you could go into a club as a newbie and basically have an amazing time. Going into a club knowing these 10 girls keep getting tagged as amazing, and these 4 are ROBs, is about 100x more useful than knowing the cover charge or shape of the bar.

Girl want to see f2f that you really like her. She needs to feel this in her bones.

When this is true, it outranks anything which would have been said about her in a review. SJG

If I read a review about a particular dancer, I don't expect for there to be a 100% chance that I will be able to meet her, but it isn't a 0% chance either, and thus why the info IMO is worthwhile.

Also - for me personally, I don't mind at all a review that talks about a particular dancer, I just think the review should be about the club and if it gets into specific dancers, all the better, but I just don't like a review that just talks about Bambi and nothing else - yeah, talk about Bambi and how much you love her, but also describe what the club is about (but, we've been over this b/f).

Yep, I know you and I don't agree on this... I do think knowing lap dance prices and cover charges and everything else about the club is interesting. But given that pretty much every review covers that, it's the review of Bambi that I like. I think the strippers should be the focus of reviews, in the end they are why I'm going, with club info secondary. I am well aware that my view is a minority one here, but I like to keep you guys on your toes

Yeah, if your tastes are well outside the crowd, you might be led astray a bit. But only "might". my experience is, a stripper who provides an amazing dirty extras experience, or fetish experience, or GFE experience (yes, first time I ever saw that term was on a strip club site, not escort!), tends to please anyone looking for that, minus lucky or unlucky YMMV and regular perqs... And yes, I'm not complaining, I think tuscl is awesome or I wouldn't be here. Just arguing a different perspective

@Subraman. I would never identify any particular dancers coupled with what to expect from them. There are a number of reasons for this. Among which include getting a girl in trouble or sullying her reputation (rightly or wrongly I don’t feel that’s my place), and in no small part because if I spend any time with a dancer that means that I like her on some level. I don’t want to make her the target of countless unknown to me sickos. Not that he would ever go to a SC but imagine Stupid_Jerkoff_Guy showing up with duct tape in hand and asking for a dancer that you highly value expecting to take her home to his mother’s basement. Does any dancer, sex worker or not, deserve that?

In my travels I check in on a lot of local boards around the world and they tend to be very graphic and low life. Who does what and how little can you pay them to fuck them in the ass centric. Sharing those details with people that you personally know may be one thing but sharing them with countless anonymous sickos on-line doesn’t work for me.

I try to follow the old founder’s guidance when writing a review which was (paraphrased) to write as if you were telling a buddy about what to expect if he were going to a club he had never been to (good or bad). Included in that is generalized info on the quality of dancers and generalized comments on mileage but specifics about specific girls is not part of that equation AFAIC. I expect my friends to be able to pick their own women and work their own game. I think that’s more than half the fun and that’s what I want for myself.

I know many here disagree with me and all they want is the down and dirty so they can get a nut for three dollars or less without having to work for it. So be it. Just my two cents.

-->"@Subraman. I would never identify any particular dancers coupled with what to expect from them."

I'm with you, man! That's why I took pains to say the same thing every time I posted.

-->"I try to follow the old founder’s guidance when writing a review which was (paraphrased) to write as if you were telling a buddy about what to expect if he were going to a club he had never been to (good or bad)"

Okay, here's where I genuinely differ from you. Or maybe the rest of you guys suck at being buddies. When my buddy -- my close friend, who I know will keep his mouth shut -- goes to a club, I exactly tell him all the very graphic and low life details. My buddies are the ONLY ones who get to hear those. I'm going to have to start teaching some buddy classes around here :) :)

Okay, I suck at being a buddy, lol, but IRL I have never shared intimate details even with my closest friends and even though they knew the truth having witnessed it with their own eyes but I never admitted to it. The it depends on what your definition of "is" is approach has served me well. lol. Take care and good night...

I mention names because I want the dancers to do well; I want others to come see them and spend money on them so they'll remain strippers and be available to me in the future when I go back to the same club. Also, the club experience is highly dependent on the girls you spend your money on; the club and everything related to it has only a tiny effect on how much enjoyment you have. A review that doesn't include mention of the girls really isn't reviewing the experience that the person had.

i used to belong to a dancer forum. i definitely like names. bottom line. YMMV.

I don't go for a dancer but will look for a dancer on a day I would visit cause of a review or someone telling me a certain girl. I don't ask around but if we meet or she is on stage I would tip or get a dance and see how it goes cause of the review or message exchange.

Sometimes, yes.

At Club Desire in Providence, it's not unusual for reviewers to give names, rough schedules, physical descriptions, and non-specific descriptions of what they offer. It can be very useful. More detailed information can be exchanged (or not) via PMs.

I always reject reviews that link dancers by name to extras.

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I never have, probably never will. I don’t like reviews that name extras girls. It’s just not a cool thing to do. I like reviews that are kind of explicit. Let’s me know the flavor of the club. I can figure the rest out for myself.

I try to keep the names of ROB's in mind.... and in general if a well respected TUSCL member recommends a particular dancer esp. in a PM. However, ones man's treasure is another man's trash..... hell, even when out with the closest of friends opinions of a particular dancer on the same night have varied wildly.

"Do you even go to a club because dancers names were given?"

Have I ever? Yes. There's all kinds of foolish stuff I've done at clubs. Some people go to the same clubs all the time and know them inside and out. That's cool. I just went to a club I hadn't been to in a while and the people still knew me. Plus they added a new dancer who's smoking hot and hasn't figured out she should be at a better club. Always fun while that lasts.

But there's plenty of clubs I go to that I know nothing about and none of the girls. If certain girls pop out in the reviews, I make a mental note. Sometimes it's depressing, like the blonde in Seattle who was actually prettier than the reviews said but was totally dead inside. Or you bump into a dancer who's on the bubble but has "something" about her, and when she says her stripper name it's like "oh, it's you. Let's go". I don't think I've ever had one of those end badly.

Hell, there's a lot of so called ROBs that are just fine if they know they're not going to get over. If you don't know what you're doing and get rolled, that's on you. Like shadowcat said, it's fine to call dancers out as possible ROBs if they're being tacky and ruining the experience of an average customer. It's not hard to sort out if the reviewer was just being a noob.

YMMV. Sure, everyone knows that. Just get better at your ground game. If a dancer is on the level, shoot your shot and see what happens. Yes, I read alls the posts about guys who find the diamonds who only do stuff with them. I'm a skeptic, but I also don't care to quibble with some else's belief systems. Obviously if you find that amazing dancer you read about is a clinic visit waiting to happen you just move on. They won't know the difference and viva la TUSCL.

Fir myself, if I have really enjoyed my interactions with a dancer, my review will include her by name with some very general kudos. If in doubt, I dial it back a bit. My philosophy is that really good dancers will appreciate the publicity, they will make more money, and will likely be there when I return. I will not write down anything that is outside the club's rules.

In the other hand, on the two or three occasions when a ROB has tried to take advantage of me, I have been merciless in my review. For GPS, I don't review and just don't go back for a second dance.

I don’t go specifically because a dancer’s name was included. Unless that dancer is one I know and she’s moved.

Form what I’ve noticed the dancers included in reviews are often absent or won’t do what the reviewer said so I don’t see much point.

As a newbie I realize the dances I get are not always the same a dancer gives a regular. The mileage will ultimately come down to how much the dancer thinks you will spend and how comfortable she is with you. Any name with description of what happens ITC with the camera rolling is fine, just don’t put names to extras. Anyone who does not realize ymmv is crazy and needs to read the line at the bottom of page about fiction.

I've never gone to a club to find a girl mentioned in a review. I have however looked for a girl mentioned in a review because I was at that club anyway, having gone for other reasons.

As far as naming girls in reviews, its a mixed bag in my book. There's tons of reasons going in to a club with plans to see a stripper mentioned in a review won't work out. To name just a few, she might not be there or she might be another girl with the same stage name, the reviewers idea of slim & tight might be your idea of bony and crackhead, and if she is there and as described you may not get the same service. At the same time, if I'm in a club already & I see a girl I'm attracted too and I recall a review matching her stage name with a good time, well that's good info to have.

I've got no issues with people naming girls in their reviews, as long as they don't align them with anything that could cause trouble. Trouble being not just legal or managerial, but also with the other girls. But if you've got a general description of the girls for example: "There were 30 girls on duty, mostly in the 20-25 range & the barbie doll types, although there were a few others for variety" and then throw in a specific "One girl really stood out, her name was Porsche and she was about an athletic build, maybe 5'5" 110# with brown hair perky C cups and smaller firm ass" That's good info. If I was choosing between two clubs that might sway me. I'd rather not have the reviewer go on to state that they fucked her raw in her ass in the dance room, as that may cause some issues for her. Not to mention the rush of dudes trying to get the same treatment. But, if they went on to say they spent some time with her and enjoyed it very much, I'd think it was perfectly fine.

I personally don't really name names in reviews, but its mostly for me. I tend to be a CF kind of guy, so I'm in the same club regularly with the same girl. If I'm naming that girl and what she's doing, I'm naming myself too. I'd prefer to avoid that.

-->"I've never gone to a club to find a girl mentioned in a review. I have however looked for a girl mentioned in a review because I was at that club anyway, having gone for other reasons. "

Yeah, it's clear my friend shadowcat wanted to prove we shouldn't name names, so I almost suspected he worded the question that way on purpose -- I think it's unlikely anyone goes to a club just for a single girl named in a review. If he'd asked it another way, "once you're at the club, is it more useful to know that these 10 girls get awesome reviews, and these 4 girls are ROBs, or is it more useful to know the drink prices and where the bathrooms are?", then he'd have gotten a slightly different answer :)

Between dancer turnover and erratic schedules, I never go to a club looking for a specific dancer. Once I get to a club, I do find it helpful to have some guidance on the dancers, especially who is a ROB, who has GPS, who gives terrible vs. excellent dances. TUSCL reviews are one source of information but I know that tastes differ and dancer performance may vary across time and across customers -- thus I consider lots of other factors in selecting private dances.

My intention was to see what value viewers place on knowing dancer names when deciding which club to go to. I do appreciate reviewers telling me where the stage is. Otherwise I might have a hard time finding it to locate the dancers named in the review.

Last week I had a dancer ask me if I had a special dancer that I was looking for. My reply was no. That I just take pot luck.

People are making this way too complicated. Shadowcat asked if anyone's ever gone to a club looking for a specific dancer read about on here.

I don't have to put out some super qualified answer to protect my man card. I've gone to a club just to look for a dancer mentioned here because...why not? If she's not there some other chick will be. Maybe. Hopefully. Just this week I scratched a flight to go fishing with dynamite at Follies because it turns out the local scene is way better than I was expecting. Read zero reviews for that. Walked in a couple of places with cash and good things happened. That's how the scene's been working since way before web forums.

If I'm in a town with a lot of clubs and have multiple days, I've planned to hit certain clubs at certain times because of what's been in the reviews. Maybe the review is "fiction", but TUSCL is not a community of riddle makers. It's a place to say which clubs sucked and which didn't, and whether that's a good thing. Lots of dudes post all kinds of stuff that lines up with exactly with what I see when I show up. Sometimes it's horrifying, but in a lot of cases it's good times. If you're in a two club town, then what's the difference? Either you're going to those clubs or you're finding something else to do with your time. I'm not saying dudes should be chasing after every name they spot on here. Just read the reviews and do what makes sense to you.

Thanks to shadowcat for making my entire post redundant by putting up something completely sensible...

Obviously, mongers differ in what they need or want in a review -- as well as what their M.O. is in how and where they club. Some have regular clubs they visit again and again because they're tied to a specific location or area. Others, like me, only visit clubs when they travel, which means it's possible they'll only get to visit a given club once. Either way, names of ROBs can be helpful, and I have both given and benefited from having that info.

But as others have said, names of HM dancers (or whatever) are not that useful to me in picking a club to visit because they might not be there the one time I get to visit the club or they might not give me the same services they gave someone else. To assume otherwise... well, you know what they say about what happens when you ass/u/me anything.

A review is helpful to me if it gives me a general sense of what might be possible at that club in terms of mileage and at what cost. As regular TUSCL readers know, there are some VHM $5 dance clubs (e.g., in Philly, suburban DC, Miami, Atlanta), and other clubs that charge $60 for an air dance (e.g., SF Bay Area). That's a huge difference, and I'd like to know that in advance. Thanks to all the reviewers who understand that and include that info.

The rest is on me, and I don't really need names. I have enough experience at this to engage the girls, no matter what they call themselves, and figure out whether the ones I'm attracted to are likely to give me what I want in the context of what is usually allowed at that club.

So what's important in a review may vary considerably to each and every one of you. Some of you might really need to know where the bathroom is. To you I say, Don't forget to tip the troll -- and for fuck's sake, wash your hands!! lol

Sub, on the surface you are giving us mixed messages. On one hand, you would like enough information about specific girls to know which ones will be a great experience, but OTOH you claim not to want detailed specifics.

But assuming all of this is true, then what you really want is reviewers to try to thread the needle by writing in enough code to get the point across while maintaining plausible deniability regarding explicit details. The problem with that is twofold. First, not all of us are seamstresses and some folks are bound to be a bit too obvious. Second, you're not the only one who can translate code and it runs the risk of still being too much.

Idk. I guess I don't need to be so spoon fed and, in fact, I prefer to make my own judgments about individual dancers.

I have used information from other dancers specific websites to approach a dancer at a particular club. all I can say here is YMMV.

tuscl has not given me info that results in what i want.

(at least not yet.)

-->"Shadowcat asked if anyone's ever gone to a club looking for a specific dancer read about on here."

Wall, that's what he asked, yes. But he wants to draw a specific conclusion if people don't go to a club looking for a specific dancer.

-->"I don't. I think it is foolish to go looking for a specific dancer. She might not be there. She might not be what you really like. She may not treat you the same way she did the reviewer.So why mention names at all in a review?"

You see? He's specifically saying "if you don't pick a club based on a dancer review, why mention dancer names at all?" The answer, of course, is that just because people don't choose the club based on a dancer mention, that doesn't mean that once they get to that club, they wouldn't use the dancer mentions to pick who to dance with. What I'm saying is, once you choose a club, it's far more interesting to know who the crowd thinks the ROBs and the pleasers are, than the cover and drink prices or where the bathrooms are.

This is an odd thread - I can't believe we are all not agreeing as we usually do

-->"But assuming all of this is true, then what you really want is reviewers to try to thread the needle by writing in enough code to get the point across while maintaining plausible deniability regarding explicit details. The problem with that is twofold. First, not all of us are seamstresses and some folks are bound to be a bit too obvious. Second, you're not the only one who can translate code and it runs the risk of still being too much."

Agree, Rick. I don't actually think this is as delicate an act as threading the needle. "I had an amazing time with Jasmine, she teased me at the table and did three head-spinning lapdances", for example, is not a hard concept. That said, you are absolutely right that people will tend not to do that -- lots of guys will give details that will get the girls in trouble with management, the other girls, or with their regulars. For those guys who are not dingbats, though: you mentioning which girls are great and which are ROBs, is about 100x more useful and actionable intel, then what drinks cost or the shape of the bar.

-->"Idk. I guess I don't need to be so spoon fed and, in fact, I prefer to make my own judgments about individual dancers."

And I like to leverage the insights of guys who have gone before. In the end, I always make my own decisions, but I am absolutely thrilled to know Jade is going to act sweet and then ROB me, or Jasmine has a lots of PLs saying nice things.

i agree.

For fucks sake this has been over complicated to the nth degree. Shadow never asked what details should be in a review with a dancers name. We have a 100 threads where the majority opine don’t include names with extras, but either/or is fine. There is a minority of board members who disagree. Did we really need to go through that debate again?

Summing up the answers to Shadow’s actual question, it seems some members do look for a dancer named in a review and others don’t.

Therefore, don’t eliminate names altogether as some people have found it useful. Doesn’t change the guidance on how to review a club, which is now adjudicated by the VIP member reviewing jury.

TUSCL... where we overcomplicate paying for boners.

Once you have a boner, will you pick a dancer by whether she'll let you ldk? IF not, why should we mention dancer names at all?

:) :)

"Idk. I guess I don't need to be so spoon fed and, in fact, I prefer to make my own judgments about individual dancers."

Why does seemingly everything have to be so binary in these forum discussions? There's a whole range of goodness and badness in either view. Subra already the final decision is going to come down to the moment the person (who did or didn't act on a reviewer name drop) is at the club. I've definitely used a reviewer rave about a dancer as a tiebreaker when I recognized the gal in front of me was a highlight of someone's visit. It doesn't happen often, but it happens.

I've also left a club wondering what all the fuss was about. But most of the time authentic TUSCL reviews get the fun-meter side of it right. You just have to decide if the IRL dancer lights your fire. My cut line is actually pretty high, but I get bored. Half the fun is just rolling the dice and seeing what happens with a hot dancer who might be a beautiful dud, or might be tomorrow's sore back.

All that aside, if I know a club well I don't really read the reviews for it.

Wall: yeah, the notion that checking reviews is being "spoon fed" is a little absurd, but everyone likes to justify their position as the moral high ground lol. I use dancer reviews on tuscl less than I did on sfredbook, just because there's less dancer mentions on tuscl (depending on locale, as Rick pointed out), and there's just not that critical mass "wisdom of the crowds" effect. I still read and note reviews that mention dancer names, but it's rare to find good g-2 on strippers here -- a clear missed opportunity, hence my frequent muckraking about what tuscl values in reviews

"What I'm saying is, once you choose a club, it's far more interesting to know who the crowd thinks the ROBs and the pleasers are, than the cover and drink prices or where the bathrooms are."

I couldn't really pick which part of your post I wanted to quote, Subra. I did read the whole thing. Shadowcat's issues with names go way back, and I don't disagree that putting names with specifics is bad form. But I'll acknowledge being a hypocrite on that topic because I totally work with that info if it's there.

I write reviews when I have time to put the word out I saw the club if any of the locals want to discuss. Sometimes I'll put dancers in if there's something that really stood out, good or bad. I've also reached out to known TUSCLers if I'm heading to their stomping grounds to see if they have any suggestions. Something that doesn't get really talked about is people who've posted reviews that aren't the best are perfectly capable of sharing more details in PMs if they choose to.

This whole thing about prices and bathrooms is the homers trying to get some way of calling bs on fake reviews. I get it, but they need to get that guys who travel and club a lot don't notice how much a drink cost unless it's really out of the ordinary. I don't remember how much I paid for my first drink yesterday, but I do remember it being 90% ice. If I were reviewing the club that's probably going in.

Lol. Sorry, Subra. I got interrupted in the middle of my reply to you. I think if TUSCLers had used the VIP room in the way it was intended that would have been a start toward what you're lobbying for. Maybe the Verified Room will turn into that.

Phew! I thought one of the "don't name dancer names" guys had snuck in and killed you mid-post

Wall and Sub, painting this as a choice between drink prices/bathroom locations vs. dancer intel is a faux argument and you both know it. Many club reviewers readily provide intel, in code or otherwise, about what happened in the back. Most just avoid mentioning the specific dancers involved, which IMHO is a very good thing.

So in other words you've already been driven to the last 50 yards of a 5 mile race. Any seasoned tuscler should be able to work the rest out for himself, including sifting through the ROBs to find the gems. There should be no need for the likes of either of you to be spoon fed and IMHO there is much more downside that upside in this place turning into another version of USASG.

-->"Wall and Sub, painting this as a choice between drink prices/bathroom locations vs. dancer intel is a faux argument and you both know it. "

No, but many folks here have said they think drink prices and bathroom location (okay, I'm being snarky -- general club details) are the MUST in order to pass reviews, whereas describing dancer awesomeness is an ancillary benefit. If a review is going to leave out one or the other, I'd prefer they leave out bathroom location -- I don't need to be "spoonfed" that information, plus there were already 1000 other reviews that mentioned it, whereas dancer intel is useful.

Not only is a dancer mention -- awesome or ROB -- not "spoonfeeding", but you need enough of these to be meaningful at all. Knowing 3 months ago someone liked AManda, and last week someone liked Jade, isn't really intel. I do agree "acts or names, not both", but would like to see a critical mass of names. It's extras that are easy to figure out; being forearmed with already knowing which dancers are consistently people-pleasers is amazing.

Anyway, my metaphor here is if yelp restaurant reviews were all about "the restaurant" with nothing about the dishes. Don't get me wrong, I do find it useful that the parking lot is sometimes full, the wait staff is awesome (or rude), the bathrooms are clean (or dirty).. useful info, just like club info. But the dishes are what I go to a restaurant for; absolutely bizarre if yelpers maintained "you have to tell us all about 'the restaurant'"; discussion of dishes optional. No, describing which dishes are great or terrible is not spoon feeding, it's the actual one piece of information that is key to me increasing my chances of having an awesome experience. I don't need to be spoonfed the bathroom location, as an adult I will get there myself somehow. I do want intel on which dishes are most amazing, and which strippers are most amazing. Ya, I'll deal without having that info, I managed to function without yelp for years, but the more info you can get on the dishes/dancers (whole reason you're there in the first place), the better

I did 50 years ago from a newspaper ad.

I’m always looking for really super-fit women so if I read about one I’ll go check her out.

Sub, there you go again with that faux argument that some reviewers desire to see pricing intel is somehow meant to exclude other intel. This of course is obviously not true. You can generally get a good sense of what's available in a club with any club on here that has decent review flow.

As far as the spoon feeding that you so desire, I guess we're going to have to agree ti disagree. I'm not going to repay a dancer's generosity by publicizing her actions on an easily accessible Internet forum, in code or otherwise, and neither should anyone else. There are just too many reasons why she might want that information to stay quiet. If a girl wants to market herself like that, she is certainly free to come on here and do it herself. outing her on a public forum.

-->"repay a dancer's generosity by publicizing her actions on an easily accessible Internet forum, in code or otherwise, and neither should anyone else."

There you go, purposely pretending this is what anyone on this thread proposed to do, to support your ridiculous position that bathroom location is not spoon feeding, but talking about which girls are awesome or ROBs -- as mentioned multiple times, without details, in code or not -- is somehow unwarranted. It is not spoonfeeding to review the dishes at a restaurant on yelp, it is spoonfeeding to be the 100th review that describes where the bathrooms are

I agree - I don’t care that much about the parking lot, shape of the bar or bathrooms. I’m into the dancers and how they are in private dances.

===> "It is not spoonfeeding to review the dishes at a restaurant on yelp, "

Ah, so you're suggesting that a blowjob from Tiffany merits the same review treatment as the General Gau Chicken at your favorite Chinese restaurant. I wonder if Tiffany's BF will feel the same pride as the SO of the cook at the restaurant for having such a capable partner.

But of course you'll no doubt hop back in and try to convince us that a reviewer can tag Tiffany as a "pleaser" and you, with your incomparable powers of deduction, will be able to discern what her BF, mother, club manager, co-workers and others cannot. Alrighty then. 😉

I am not sure why you're having so much trouble finding the bathroom, or why just talking about how Jade gives awesome dances, is so confusing to you, but okay, man! lol

Good try Sub, but I've never called for bathroom Intel ever on here and if "Jade gives awesome dances" is enough to tell you that she's a "pleaser" then it will be enough for others. It's all context, including other things posted about the club. We also know that most guys won't stop at that.

Enough of the straw man deflections - man up and just admit that you are far more concerned about lining up pleasers than in the impact of those reviews on others. :)

Rick, I totally understand that you think in a review site about strip clubs, there shouldn't be anything mentioned about strippers. It's also outrageous that yelp reviews about restaurants mention the actual dishes. And yes, I understand that you think it's impossible to say a stripper is awesome, or a ROB, without all kinds of odd implications that only exist in your head. I don't even go to extras clubs. You're out in left field projecting your own weird interpretations on me, and then insisting that reviews about strip clubs not include information about strippers. Makes total sense man. Maybe we shouldn't even discuss the inside of the club at all -- that will be enough for "others" to know wink wink. Stick to discussing the outside of the club, that's for the best

Also, bathroom locations are not being "spoon fed", but actual info about strippers is :) :)

If a dancer sounds familiar from reviews I might give her a shot for that reason. In my experience though some things are very YMMV. My favorite right now started doing extras for me after I had been seeing her for months and spent a lot of money. There is no way I’d put her name on here and I. doubt she’d be that accommodating with a new customer. Dances are not a standardized and consistent product although clubs do have their own cultures.

-->"If a dancer sounds familiar from reviews I might give her a shot for that reason"

Exactly. On a review site about strip clubs, if guys positively mention the things that we're all there for -- the actual strippers -- and enough are positive mentions, that's info you'll use. You'll also use bathroom location and drink prices, but those are all just side things to the strippers -- the one piece of g-2 REALLY worth knowing.

-->" My favorite right now started doing extras for me after I had been seeing her for months and spent a lot of money. There is no way I’d put her name on here"

Agree -- and so does everyone else on this thread. Luckily, to a sane person, someone mentioning he had a great time with Amber, does not translate to "Amber does extras with everyone"

-->"Dances are not a standardized and consistent product although clubs do have their own cultures."

Agree... YMMV can and will happen. But, although the salacious details might change, many years on a review board that emphasized the strippers instead of the shape of the bar, showed that generally speaking, a stripper that's awesome, will be getting great comments from everyone else, too. It's useful g-2 -- in fact the most useful g-2 -- to know guys had a good experience with her. "experience" is not a code word for extras.

LOL that you guys are still arguing.

Yes a SC review should be stripper centric but there should be more to a club review than strippers IMO. Finding the balance is the difference between a good review and crap.

Just an observation but I believe that part of the reason that TUSCL reviews sometimes emphasize the physical attributes of a club has been because of the historic propensity of some assholes to challenge the authenticity of some reviews. This has been especially true of new posters and I would imagine many newb’s have been chased away needlessly. Short of proof-of-life photos of club visits, I believe that a physical description has become part of many reviews in an effort to prove that the reviewer was actually there. But then again some assholes wouldn’t even accept those proof of life photos so too many reviews waste words on the inane and the good stuff gets lost in the process.

As far as where the bathroom is located, in my last review (tuscl.net ) I included that information. In fact I highlighted it as important “(Important tip: the men’s room is to the left of those big windows. It’s clean, no troll but I did have to ask where it was but maybe I was just too drunk to find it on my own)”.

When you really, really have to go, knowing where to find the toilet is more important than knowing that Cinnamon will fuck you and pledge her undying love for the low, low price of $100 and you’ll be grateful that someone like me took the time to provide this critical “intel”. LOL

And to the OP, No I have never gone to a club looking for a dancer mentioned in a review and I never will.

-->"Yes a SC review should be stripper centric"

OF COURSE it should. Almost embarrassing that we're arguing about that.

On the bathroom location, I was just reductio'ing that lol... I think club details are fine, and on top of that, are more evidence the person has actually been there. But going fore-armed to a club you haven't been to, knowing which girls are awesome, is awesome.

Is BabyDoc somebody we're supposed to know under a new name?

If you know the club names help a lot. Especially for ROB's and low mileage girls. For clubs with a lot of regulars good and bad reviews will actually help a girl improve her performance. I have seen low mileage girls get more lax if they cant ROB the newbies anymore

And for massage parlors I only go looking for girls or types of girls. Its a much bigger gamble and collecting intel beforehand is a must

"I have seen low mileage girls get more lax if they cant ROB the newbies anymore"

I've seen that, too. And high pressure girls who have customers avoiding them will mellow out.

===> "And yes, I understand that you think it's impossible to say a stripper is awesome, or a ROB, without all kinds of odd implications that only exist in your head. I don't even go to extras clubs. You're out in left field projecting your own weird interpretations on me, and then insisting that reviews about strip clubs not include information about strippers. "

Dude, you used the term "pleasers" - several times. How precisely did you expect that to be interpreted by most tusclers?

But ok, let's assume that you're one of the odd SC regular creatures, which seem to exist almost only on this tuscl discussion board, who does not want her to be TOO much of a "pleaser." You're going to be in the minority and many clubs frequently reviewed on here allow various levels of extras. If naming dancers becomes commonplace, anyone with a lick of sense knows where it goes from there.

So just admit that you don't really care about the ramifications so long as you get your intel, Because if you did you wouldn't be going through these absurd mental gymnastics to avoid what should be obvious. I will still disagree of course, but at least I could respect it more than these straw man deflections and minority projections characterized as mainstream.

-->"Dude, you used the term "pleasers" - several times. How precisely did you expect that to be interpreted by most tusclers?"

As a stripper who provides a fantastic experience, and explicitly not as code for extras since the context made that clear several times.

The ramifications of saying "had an amazing time with Jade", as automatically some code of code, are strictly and only in your head. The notion that drink prices and bathroom locations are not spoonfeeding, but a positive review of what we all really care about is, is all in your head. These are the absurd mental gymnastics. The non-gymnastic interpretation is: as many guys have said on this thread, a positive review of a dancer is useful when they're at the club. Your fantasy interpretations of what these all mean should not dictate what the rest of us find useful. As I said, we all also go to yelp to see what people think of the food at a restaurant, and don't pretend that a description of the wait staff is what's really useful, much less build an entire fantasy moral framework to defend that

Gotta love these 'mental gymnastics' ! I suspect the nay-sayers with their pejorative commentary on the utility of detailed reviews are underestimating the potential effect of said raw data on their potential upside to those readers who spend on them and so eagerly await the fine detail. I too spend hours and hours doing my research before venturing to the venue I intend to visit. The laborious process starts as follows: I take copious notes from review sites, enter the details most important to me into a loose-leaf three-ring binder which is preserved via the pen&paper equivalent (carbon paper) of a computer back-up RAID array onto 10 Tb SSD drives. These are stored in safe deposit boxes in the vault of banks separated from each other by at least 10 miles - for safety of course. The most relevant data are entered on an Excel spreadsheet housed on a main-frame computer, from which I am able to transfer critical data into a proprietary software program that then spits out an algorithm-based encrypted synopsis that will aid me during my coming chase. This then transfers onto 3"X5" index cards conveniently ensconced in a pickpocket-proof secure pocket of the shirt I will wear on my visit to my dive of choice. Of course, I keep these index cards under the plastic pocket-guard that prevents leaks from the multiple ink-pens I always have with me in said shirt pocket. Now - these 3"x5" index cards are priceless. They carry exactly the information that will guide me in the chase. And thank you to all the reviewers who have posted such detailed minutiae of spectacular visits (hits as well as misses) that provide the raw data !

Mikie, I am impressed you got your process so streamlined.

I normally don't go looking a girl I read about in a review. But I'm not going to say I never have. I do like to read reviews and see if others have had a similar experience as me with a girl.