Do you go to a club looking for a dancer that was mentioned in a review?
shadowcat
Atlanta suburb
I don't. I think it is foolish to go looking for a specific dancer. She might not be there. She might not be what you really like. She may not treat you the same way she did the reviewer.
So why mention names at all in a review? We all have been advised to not mention names if that could get a dancer in trouble with LE or the club. If you've got a good thing going, why share her?
Now ROBs are different. Bust the hell out of them.
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That's one of the reasons I'm so out of sync with the tuscl "cover charge, bar layout, and dance price" review ethic. Yes I'm being a snarky dick, but that's what it feels like coming from a forum where the reviews were focused on TRs and strippers. While I do go through reviews for clubs, strippers aren't mentioned often enough that the intel is actionable. Still, I'd prefer the opposite of you shadow: swing the ship the other way, name ROBs and GPS girls, name girls who gave you an amazing experience without giving compromising details, etc. Fuck yes, that information is unbelievably useful to people who are not furniture-level regulars.
Some may even not want to share details of a good club so it doesn't become too popular - I'm of "a rising tide raises all boats" mentality so I say info is good as long as it's not possibly jeopardizing a dancer.
I totally agree to not name DS, so they do not get in trouble with LE or the club and ROBs and GPS should be named with the details why they the experience was thought to be ROB or GPS.
"If you've got a good thing going, why share her?"
Since I do not feel she is mine to share, I gladly share my experiences, Intel, and opinions with my TUSCL brethren vía reviews and PMs.
Also, when in TJ and hanging out with TUSCLers I always point out the BGs I took arriba so my buddies can make an informed decision, YMMV.
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The thing I keep in mind is, she can get in trouble with management, which is bad. But you can still write things that are ok with management but get her in trouble with the other girls (which can be worse) and with her regulars (which can be worstest). You can definitely do more than say she was awesome, and I think describing her, her body, etc. is important so people can see if the Jade they're seeing is the same Jade you described (minus the fact that I can't tell any of the Jades apart).
I wonder if the reason so many guys here think cover charge and dance prices are more important than knowing which girls are great and which aren't, is because there just has never been enough info in reviews here to really be useful. Not sure that's ever going to change, but I can dream :)
I didn’t go for her specifically, but was on the lookout during a trip to Phoenix a few years back to meet Butterfly at HiLiter. She had to be mentioned 50 times over the years by name and another 50 times as a girl who is an “Asian winged insect.” How could you not try her after all those notes? Finally ran into her and it was definitely worth it.
In most Texas clubs, I’d say it would probably be near worthless.
From a personal standpoint, it’s pretty cool when I see someone mentioned in club reviews I’ve met before. Two dancers in particular I do think are pretty nice people IRL.
Nope. I much prefer the hottie that nobody is talking about.
SJG
Sub, maybe you should read more reviews outside of your local market. There are also plenty of guys out there who name names and describe services, especially in reviews of some of the UHM clubs.
You are welcome to every girl who is named in a review for doing something like giving a great blowjob while tickling his balls. 'Cause if she is doing that indiscriminately to one mouthy dipshit in a UHM club, then she's doing it to a string of them, which I do not find personally appealing.
The only time I went to a club because of a girl that was mentioned was when I saw a review that mentioned where a particular dancer that I enjoyed (but not often enough to bother getting contact info from) had moved to. For that reason I do like when someone mentions something like "it was nice to see Barbie that I had seen before at Club X is now here at Club Y."
Heaving -- that's all just blue-sky theory. The fact is, while it's true it's subjective, I'm not guessing or making theories, for 10+ years I was part of a site where the reviews were dancer-centric, and we all found it incredibly useful, to the point where pretty much no one felt the need to mention cover charges and dance prices. Not a guess, not a theory, fact. Best if you get a critical mass so you get the typical crowdsourced averaging-out of experiences, but man, it just plain worked. The girls who provide great service and treat their customers well, float to the top
--->" But like others have said don't say anything that would get the girl in trouble with the club, other dancers or the police and you highly complex code of saying she sang you some Billy Joel and Frank Sinatra isn't going to help her avoid trouble."
"others" might have said that in this thread, but first I said that, and I'm the first one in the thread to bring up not just management, but the other girls, and potentially jealous regulars. Everyone can figure out the codes, it's silly. No reason to mention specific acts, in code or not. Again, I'm not guessing or theorizing, an enormous community basically ran on these reviews, and you could go into a club as a newbie and basically have an amazing time. Going into a club knowing these 10 girls keep getting tagged as amazing, and these 4 are ROBs, is about 100x more useful than knowing the cover charge or shape of the bar.
When this is true, it outranks anything which would have been said about her in a review.
SJG
Also - for me personally, I don't mind at all a review that talks about a particular dancer, I just think the review should be about the club and if it gets into specific dancers, all the better, but I just don't like a review that just talks about Bambi and nothing else - yeah, talk about Bambi and how much you love her, but also describe what the club is about (but, we've been over this b/f).
And yes, I'm not complaining, I think tuscl is awesome or I wouldn't be here. Just arguing a different perspective
In my travels I check in on a lot of local boards around the world and they tend to be very graphic and low life. Who does what and how little can you pay them to fuck them in the ass centric. Sharing those details with people that you personally know may be one thing but sharing them with countless anonymous sickos on-line doesn’t work for me.
I try to follow the old founder’s guidance when writing a review which was (paraphrased) to write as if you were telling a buddy about what to expect if he were going to a club he had never been to (good or bad). Included in that is generalized info on the quality of dancers and generalized comments on mileage but specifics about specific girls is not part of that equation AFAIC. I expect my friends to be able to pick their own women and work their own game. I think that’s more than half the fun and that’s what I want for myself.
I know many here disagree with me and all they want is the down and dirty so they can get a nut for three dollars or less without having to work for it. So be it. Just my two cents.
I'm with you, man! That's why I took pains to say the same thing every time I posted.
-->"I try to follow the old founder’s guidance when writing a review which was (paraphrased) to write as if you were telling a buddy about what to expect if he were going to a club he had never been to (good or bad)"
Okay, here's where I genuinely differ from you. Or maybe the rest of you guys suck at being buddies. When my buddy -- my close friend, who I know will keep his mouth shut -- goes to a club, I exactly tell him all the very graphic and low life details. My buddies are the ONLY ones who get to hear those. I'm going to have to start teaching some buddy classes around here :) :)
At Club Desire in Providence, it's not unusual for reviewers to give names, rough schedules, physical descriptions, and non-specific descriptions of what they offer. It can be very useful. More detailed information can be exchanged (or not) via PMs.
I always reject reviews that link dancers by name to extras.
https://tuscl.net/reviews.php?listing_id…
Have I ever? Yes. There's all kinds of foolish stuff I've done at clubs. Some people go to the same clubs all the time and know them inside and out. That's cool. I just went to a club I hadn't been to in a while and the people still knew me. Plus they added a new dancer who's smoking hot and hasn't figured out she should be at a better club. Always fun while that lasts.
But there's plenty of clubs I go to that I know nothing about and none of the girls. If certain girls pop out in the reviews, I make a mental note. Sometimes it's depressing, like the blonde in Seattle who was actually prettier than the reviews said but was totally dead inside. Or you bump into a dancer who's on the bubble but has "something" about her, and when she says her stripper name it's like "oh, it's you. Let's go". I don't think I've ever had one of those end badly.
Hell, there's a lot of so called ROBs that are just fine if they know they're not going to get over. If you don't know what you're doing and get rolled, that's on you. Like shadowcat said, it's fine to call dancers out as possible ROBs if they're being tacky and ruining the experience of an average customer. It's not hard to sort out if the reviewer was just being a noob.
YMMV. Sure, everyone knows that. Just get better at your ground game. If a dancer is on the level, shoot your shot and see what happens. Yes, I read alls the posts about guys who find the diamonds who only do stuff with them. I'm a skeptic, but I also don't care to quibble with some else's belief systems. Obviously if you find that amazing dancer you read about is a clinic visit waiting to happen you just move on. They won't know the difference and viva la TUSCL.
In the other hand, on the two or three occasions when a ROB has tried to take advantage of me, I have been merciless in my review. For GPS, I don't review and just don't go back for a second dance.
Form what I’ve noticed the dancers included in reviews are often absent or won’t do what the reviewer said so I don’t see much point.
Anyone who does not realize ymmv is crazy and needs to read the line at the bottom of page about fiction.
As far as naming girls in reviews, its a mixed bag in my book. There's tons of reasons going in to a club with plans to see a stripper mentioned in a review won't work out. To name just a few, she might not be there or she might be another girl with the same stage name, the reviewers idea of slim & tight might be your idea of bony and crackhead, and if she is there and as described you may not get the same service. At the same time, if I'm in a club already & I see a girl I'm attracted too and I recall a review matching her stage name with a good time, well that's good info to have.
I've got no issues with people naming girls in their reviews, as long as they don't align them with anything that could cause trouble. Trouble being not just legal or managerial, but also with the other girls. But if you've got a general description of the girls for example: "There were 30 girls on duty, mostly in the 20-25 range & the barbie doll types, although there were a few others for variety" and then throw in a specific "One girl really stood out, her name was Porsche and she was about an athletic build, maybe 5'5" 110# with brown hair perky C cups and smaller firm ass" That's good info. If I was choosing between two clubs that might sway me. I'd rather not have the reviewer go on to state that they fucked her raw in her ass in the dance room, as that may cause some issues for her. Not to mention the rush of dudes trying to get the same treatment. But, if they went on to say they spent some time with her and enjoyed it very much, I'd think it was perfectly fine.
I personally don't really name names in reviews, but its mostly for me. I tend to be a CF kind of guy, so I'm in the same club regularly with the same girl. If I'm naming that girl and what she's doing, I'm naming myself too. I'd prefer to avoid that.
Yeah, it's clear my friend shadowcat wanted to prove we shouldn't name names, so I almost suspected he worded the question that way on purpose -- I think it's unlikely anyone goes to a club just for a single girl named in a review. If he'd asked it another way, "once you're at the club, is it more useful to know that these 10 girls get awesome reviews, and these 4 girls are ROBs, or is it more useful to know the drink prices and where the bathrooms are?", then he'd have gotten a slightly different answer :)
Last week I had a dancer ask me if I had a special dancer that I was looking for. My reply was no. That I just take pot luck.
I don't have to put out some super qualified answer to protect my man card. I've gone to a club just to look for a dancer mentioned here because...why not? If she's not there some other chick will be. Maybe. Hopefully. Just this week I scratched a flight to go fishing with dynamite at Follies because it turns out the local scene is way better than I was expecting. Read zero reviews for that. Walked in a couple of places with cash and good things happened. That's how the scene's been working since way before web forums.
If I'm in a town with a lot of clubs and have multiple days, I've planned to hit certain clubs at certain times because of what's been in the reviews. Maybe the review is "fiction", but TUSCL is not a community of riddle makers. It's a place to say which clubs sucked and which didn't, and whether that's a good thing. Lots of dudes post all kinds of stuff that lines up with exactly with what I see when I show up. Sometimes it's horrifying, but in a lot of cases it's good times. If you're in a two club town, then what's the difference? Either you're going to those clubs or you're finding something else to do with your time. I'm not saying dudes should be chasing after every name they spot on here. Just read the reviews and do what makes sense to you.
But as others have said, names of HM dancers (or whatever) are not that useful to me in picking a club to visit because they might not be there the one time I get to visit the club or they might not give me the same services they gave someone else. To assume otherwise... well, you know what they say about what happens when you ass/u/me anything.
A review is helpful to me if it gives me a general sense of what might be possible at that club in terms of mileage and at what cost. As regular TUSCL readers know, there are some VHM $5 dance clubs (e.g., in Philly, suburban DC, Miami, Atlanta), and other clubs that charge $60 for an air dance (e.g., SF Bay Area). That's a huge difference, and I'd like to know that in advance. Thanks to all the reviewers who understand that and include that info.
The rest is on me, and I don't really need names. I have enough experience at this to engage the girls, no matter what they call themselves, and figure out whether the ones I'm attracted to are likely to give me what I want in the context of what is usually allowed at that club.
So what's important in a review may vary considerably to each and every one of you. Some of you might *really* need to know where the bathroom is. To you I say, Don't forget to tip the troll -- and for fuck's sake, wash your hands!! lol
But assuming all of this is true, then what you really want is reviewers to try to thread the needle by writing in enough code to get the point across while maintaining plausible deniability regarding explicit details. The problem with that is twofold. First, not all of us are seamstresses and some folks are bound to be a bit too obvious. Second, you're not the only one who can translate code and it runs the risk of still being too much.
Idk. I guess I don't need to be so spoon fed and, in fact, I prefer to make my own judgments about individual dancers.
(at least not yet.)
Wall, that's what he asked, yes. But he wants to draw a specific conclusion if people don't go to a club looking for a specific dancer.
-->"I don't. I think it is foolish to go looking for a specific dancer. She might not be there. She might not be what you really like. She may not treat you the same way she did the reviewer.So why mention names at all in a review?"
You see? He's specifically saying "if you don't pick a club based on a dancer review, why mention dancer names at all?" The answer, of course, is that just because people don't choose the club based on a dancer mention, that doesn't mean that once they get to that club, they wouldn't use the dancer mentions to pick who to dance with. What I'm saying is, once you choose a club, it's far more interesting to know who the crowd thinks the ROBs and the pleasers are, than the cover and drink prices or where the bathrooms are.
Agree, Rick. I don't actually think this is as delicate an act as threading the needle. "I had an amazing time with Jasmine, she teased me at the table and did three head-spinning lapdances", for example, is not a hard concept. That said, you are absolutely right that people will tend not to do that -- lots of guys will give details that will get the girls in trouble with management, the other girls, or with their regulars. For those guys who are not dingbats, though: you mentioning which girls are great and which are ROBs, is about 100x more useful and actionable intel, then what drinks cost or the shape of the bar.
-->"Idk. I guess I don't need to be so spoon fed and, in fact, I prefer to make my own judgments about individual dancers."
And I like to leverage the insights of guys who have gone before. In the end, I always make my own decisions, but I am absolutely thrilled to know Jade is going to act sweet and then ROB me, or Jasmine has a lots of PLs saying nice things.
Summing up the answers to Shadow’s actual question, it seems some members do look for a dancer named in a review and others don’t.
Therefore, don’t eliminate names altogether as some people have found it useful. Doesn’t change the guidance on how to review a club, which is now adjudicated by the VIP member reviewing jury.
:) :)
Why does seemingly everything have to be so binary in these forum discussions? There's a whole range of goodness and badness in either view. Subra already the final decision is going to come down to the moment the person (who did or didn't act on a reviewer name drop) is at the club. I've definitely used a reviewer rave about a dancer as a tiebreaker when I recognized the gal in front of me was a highlight of someone's visit. It doesn't happen often, but it happens.
I've also left a club wondering what all the fuss was about. But most of the time authentic TUSCL reviews get the fun-meter side of it right. You just have to decide if the IRL dancer lights your fire. My cut line is actually pretty high, but I get bored. Half the fun is just rolling the dice and seeing what happens with a hot dancer who might be a beautiful dud, or might be tomorrow's sore back.
All that aside, if I know a club well I don't really read the reviews for it.
I couldn't really pick which part of your post I wanted to quote, Subra. I did read the whole thing. Shadowcat's issues with names go way back, and I don't disagree that putting names with specifics is bad form. But I'll acknowledge being a hypocrite on that topic because I totally work with that info if it's there.
I write reviews when I have time to put the word out I saw the club if any of the locals want to discuss. Sometimes I'll put dancers in if there's something that really stood out, good or bad. I've also reached out to known TUSCLers if I'm heading to their stomping grounds to see if they have any suggestions. Something that doesn't get really talked about is people who've posted reviews that aren't the best are perfectly capable of sharing more details in PMs if they choose to.
This whole thing about prices and bathrooms is the homers trying to get some way of calling bs on fake reviews. I get it, but they need to get that guys who travel and club a lot don't notice how much a drink cost unless it's really out of the ordinary. I don't remember how much I paid for my first drink yesterday, but I do remember it being 90% ice. If I were reviewing the club that's probably going in.
So in other words you've already been driven to the last 50 yards of a 5 mile race. Any seasoned tuscler should be able to work the rest out for himself, including sifting through the ROBs to find the gems. There should be no need for the likes of either of you to be spoon fed and IMHO there is much more downside that upside in this place turning into another version of USASG.
No, but many folks here have said they think drink prices and bathroom location (okay, I'm being snarky -- general club details) are the MUST in order to pass reviews, whereas describing dancer awesomeness is an ancillary benefit. If a review is going to leave out one or the other, I'd prefer they leave out bathroom location -- I don't need to be "spoonfed" that information, plus there were already 1000 other reviews that mentioned it, whereas dancer intel is useful.
Not only is a dancer mention -- awesome or ROB -- not "spoonfeeding", but you need enough of these to be meaningful at all. Knowing 3 months ago someone liked AManda, and last week someone liked Jade, isn't really intel. I do agree "acts or names, not both", but would like to see a critical mass of names. It's extras that are easy to figure out; being forearmed with already knowing which dancers are consistently people-pleasers is amazing.
As far as the spoon feeding that you so desire, I guess we're going to have to agree ti disagree. I'm not going to repay a dancer's generosity by publicizing her actions on an easily accessible Internet forum, in code or otherwise, and neither should anyone else. There are just too many reasons why she might want that information to stay quiet. If a girl wants to market herself like that, she is certainly free to come on here and do it herself.
outing her on a public forum.
There you go, purposely pretending this is what anyone on this thread proposed to do, to support your ridiculous position that bathroom location is not spoon feeding, but talking about which girls are awesome or ROBs -- as mentioned multiple times, without details, in code or not -- is somehow unwarranted. It is not spoonfeeding to review the dishes at a restaurant on yelp, it is spoonfeeding to be the 100th review that describes where the bathrooms are
Ah, so you're suggesting that a blowjob from Tiffany merits the same review treatment as the General Gau Chicken at your favorite Chinese restaurant. I wonder if Tiffany's BF will feel the same pride as the SO of the cook at the restaurant for having such a capable partner.
But of course you'll no doubt hop back in and try to convince us that a reviewer can tag Tiffany as a "pleaser" and you, with your incomparable powers of deduction, will be able to discern what her BF, mother, club manager, co-workers and others cannot. Alrighty then. 😉
Enough of the straw man deflections - man up and just admit that you are far more concerned about lining up pleasers than in the impact of those reviews on others. :)
Exactly. On a review site about strip clubs, if guys positively mention the things that we're all there for -- the actual strippers -- and enough are positive mentions, that's info you'll use. You'll also use bathroom location and drink prices, but those are all just side things to the strippers -- the one piece of g-2 REALLY worth knowing.
-->" My favorite right now started doing extras for me after I had been seeing her for months and spent a lot of money. There is no way I’d put her name on here"
Agree -- and so does everyone else on this thread. Luckily, to a sane person, someone mentioning he had a great time with Amber, does not translate to "Amber does extras with everyone"
-->"Dances are not a standardized and consistent product although clubs do have their own cultures."
Agree... YMMV can and will happen. But, although the salacious details might change, many years on a review board that emphasized the strippers instead of the shape of the bar, showed that generally speaking, a stripper that's awesome, will be getting great comments from everyone else, too. It's useful g-2 -- in fact the most useful g-2 -- to know guys had a good experience with her. "experience" is not a code word for extras.
Yes a SC review should be stripper centric but there should be more to a club review than strippers IMO. Finding the balance is the difference between a good review and crap.
Just an observation but I believe that part of the reason that TUSCL reviews sometimes emphasize the physical attributes of a club has been because of the historic propensity of some assholes to challenge the authenticity of some reviews. This has been especially true of new posters and I would imagine many newb’s have been chased away needlessly. Short of proof-of-life photos of club visits, I believe that a physical description has become part of many reviews in an effort to prove that the reviewer was actually there. But then again some assholes wouldn’t even accept those proof of life photos so too many reviews waste words on the inane and the good stuff gets lost in the process.
As far as where the bathroom is located, in my last review (https://tuscl.net/review.php?id=366634 ) I included that information. In fact I highlighted it as important “(Important tip: the men’s room is to the left of those big windows. It’s clean, no troll but I did have to ask where it was but maybe I was just too drunk to find it on my own)”.
When you really, really have to go, knowing where to find the toilet is more important than knowing that Cinnamon will fuck you and pledge her undying love for the low, low price of $100 and you’ll be grateful that someone like me took the time to provide this critical “intel”. LOL
And to the OP, No I have never gone to a club looking for a dancer mentioned in a review and I never will.
OF COURSE it should. Almost embarrassing that we're arguing about that.
On the bathroom location, I was just reductio'ing that lol... I think club details are fine, and on top of that, are more evidence the person has actually been there. But going fore-armed to a club you haven't been to, knowing which girls are awesome, is awesome.
I've seen that, too. And high pressure girls who have customers avoiding them will mellow out.
Dude, you used the term "pleasers" - several times. How precisely did you expect that to be interpreted by most tusclers?
But ok, let's assume that you're one of the odd SC regular creatures, which seem to exist almost only on this tuscl discussion board, who does not want her to be TOO much of a "pleaser." You're going to be in the minority and many clubs frequently reviewed on here allow various levels of extras. If naming dancers becomes commonplace, anyone with a lick of sense knows where it goes from there.
So just admit that you don't really care about the ramifications so long as you get your intel, Because if you did you wouldn't be going through these absurd mental gymnastics to avoid what should be obvious. I will still disagree of course, but at least I could respect it more than these straw man deflections and minority projections characterized as mainstream.
As a stripper who provides a fantastic experience, and explicitly not as code for extras since the context made that clear several times.
The ramifications of saying "had an amazing time with Jade", as automatically some code of code, are strictly and only in your head. The notion that drink prices and bathroom locations are not spoonfeeding, but a positive review of what we all really care about is, is all in your head. These are the absurd mental gymnastics. The non-gymnastic interpretation is: as many guys have said on this thread, a positive review of a dancer is useful when they're at the club. Your fantasy interpretations of what these all mean should not dictate what the rest of us find useful. As I said, we all also go to yelp to see what people think of the food at a restaurant, and don't pretend that a description of the wait staff is what's really useful, much less build an entire fantasy moral framework to defend that
I too spend hours and hours doing my research before venturing to the venue I intend to visit.
The laborious process starts as follows:
I take copious notes from review sites, enter the details most important to me into a loose-leaf three-ring binder which is preserved via the pen&paper equivalent (carbon paper) of a computer back-up RAID array onto 10 Tb SSD drives.
These are stored in safe deposit boxes in the vault of banks separated from each other by at least 10 miles - for safety of course.
The most relevant data are entered on an Excel spreadsheet housed on a main-frame computer, from which I am able to transfer critical data into a proprietary software program that then spits out an algorithm-based encrypted synopsis that will aid me during my coming chase.
This then transfers onto 3"X5" index cards conveniently ensconced in a pickpocket-proof secure pocket of the shirt I will wear on my visit to my dive of choice. Of course, I keep these index cards under the plastic pocket-guard that prevents leaks from the multiple ink-pens I always have with me in said shirt pocket.
Now - these 3"x5" index cards are priceless. They carry exactly the information that will guide me in the chase. And thank you to all the reviewers who have posted such detailed minutiae of spectacular visits (hits as well as misses) that provide the raw data !