Do you offer less money to black girls to do the same things that other girls do

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• JimGassagain

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  5 years ago

  I have to pay more. U see, they don’t like being with a pasty overweight white guy who cracks jokes all the time, especially when I’m eating my favorite sandwich pastrami on rye.
• doctorevil

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  5 years ago

  What does race have to do with it? Why would you pay more if you knew she would take less? And his would you know she would take less? Are you a mind reader?
• doctorevil

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  5 years ago

  . . . how would you, not “his would you”
• Dolfan

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  5 years ago

  You're kinda asking two different questions. I routinely pay less than the max I'd be willing to spend. I also don't come to agreement on price fairly often because it's more than I'm willing to spend. I don't feel bad offering or paying less than I'd be willing to spend, nor do I feel bad when the price is too high. I have the same feelings about buying electronics, shoes, or drinks. If the price is at or below what I'm willing to pay, I buy. If not, I don't. Race has nothing to do with it. That said, in this market black girls with the body type I prefer tend to have lower rates. I'm not sure if its a function of lower demand, lower self worth, or what. I don't feel bad about agreeing to the lower rates. I also don't low-ball an offer because she's black. I don't see anything to suggest the thick thigh/big booty/big titty black girls are settling for below market rates though, they seem to be getting the same rates as the latina's and white girls.
• Call.Me.Ishmael

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  5 years ago

  I don't negotiate differently based on race.
• shadowcat

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  5 years ago

  I generally do not negotiate price regardless of race. If I don't like the asking price, I simply pass. If you get a dancer to agree to a lower price, you may also be getting a lower service. She will not be overjoyed with getting less money.
• Estafador

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  5 years ago

  Very clear your trying to start a race debate. Nobody's buying it kid. @Dolfan its usually a combination of racism and self esteem. Majority of people paying for sexual services, whether intercourse or tease (stripping, dancing, etc) are caucasian and have made the rumor that they'd prefer to see a white over black woman in the past. This inadvertently can be psychologically damaging to a black woman making them charge less for their services. Of course, men are dogs and some will fuck a literal and figurative cow to get their rocks off so that whole hype of less desirability has today been proven bumpkis
• DrStab

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  5 years ago

  I’m an equal-opportunity, hard-negotiation monger regardless of race. I haven’t had many AA ladies in VIP mode to have an accurate sample size, but I don’t discriminate.
• rh48hr

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  5 years ago

  Very clear your trying to start a race debate. Nobody's buying it kid Agree with estafador. You either find a woman attractive or you don't. If she's attractive enough to want to have sex with her, you negotiate based on your budget and how badly you want to have sex with her. Race is irrelevant.
• twentyfive

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  5 years ago

  This is the kind of post flagooner would start to stir the pot, how about I disagree with the entire premise.
• Subraman

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  5 years ago

  Agree this thread is a disingenuous attempt to start a bunch of shit... I don't understand why. I'm with DrStab, I'm an equal-opportunity negotiator, although not totally hard-nosed. e.g., -->"Like if you were willing to pay $300 but knew that she would accept less, would it sit right with you to offer a lesser amount?" If I'm willing to pay $300, I always offer a bit less regardless of race. If she accepts, regardless of race, it sits just fine with me. If she counteroffers, regardless of race, if I were willing to go up to $300, I'll let her bargain me up to that, regardless of race. I'm a long-term CFer rather than a variety guy, so my negotiating isn't too too hard-nosed, as long as it hits my budget; if I'm offering OTC at all, I'm looking to build something repeatable and sustainable, within my budget. If I were more of a variety guy, I imagine I'd bargain harder -- again,regardless of race -- because who cares if she's not totally happy. I NEVER know up front that "she would accept less", no longer possible for me to get that kind of g-2 (it used to be easy to get, pre-2013 when sfredbook got nixed), so it's never part of equation.
• Nidan111

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  5 years ago

  I usually pay more because they are much better at ITC FS i my opinion.
• rickdugan

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  5 years ago

  For starters, I normally don't like most black girls. This is not a "race" thing per se, but just an attraction thing. Most black girls have certain distinct facial and body characteristics that just don't stir me. But there are exceptions to this, including one who I currently deal with who I find very attractive. And no, I don't negotiate differently. I try to get the best deal I can with any girl, up to a point at least, regardless of race. I have high standards, so I'm rarely negotiating for heavily discounted pussy period, whatever her racial profile. In fact, the black girl I mentioned above costs me more than some of the white girls I deal with.
• Papi_Chulo

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  5 years ago

  Discussions about race will usually be problematic. It may not apply to every market but similar to what Estafador mentioned it seems AA damcers often have a harder time making $$$ either bc: a) in a mixed club often times the Caucasian girls seem to be preferred b) IME in many black clubs seems many dudes don't spend much So AA dancers seem to be more sensitive to the laws of supply-and-demand (it's an uncomfortable reality that it's often harder for AA dancers, from getting hired at the better-clubs to competiting with Caucasians etc). I don't try to underpay any dancer nor try for the lowest-price possible but depending on the club I often can get a fair deal easier/gaster with AA dancers.
• rickdugan

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  5 years ago

  ^ Right on point Papi. Look, being exceedingly blunt, we all know that there are many white guys who prefer white girls for one reason or another. This leads a lot of clubs to limiting the number of black girls they accept. It also leads to a lot of black girls, on escort boards and in other places, to discounting their services in order to obtain sufficient traffic. We also know that the more African the girl looks (darker skin, wider nose. etc) the more difficult it is likely to be for her. Oh, and yes, we also know that there are plenty of vultures who specifically target black girls in an attempt to get discounted pussy. But this isn't the place where you'll likely find a high representation of guys who play those games, so we don't need to wallow in it on this board or start some misguided fingerpointing. If you really want to have fun with this topic, you'll find a lot more guys like that in places like USASG than you will here.
• Hank Moody

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  5 years ago

  I like most every type of race, size, age. I just want someone in good shape or with some other attractive quality to them. I have been getting a lot of dances with with hot black girls lately because they aren’t as in demand as white girls. Cool for me.
• Jascoi

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  5 years ago

  I am an equal opportunity fucker. and yes... I negotiate biased toward the fantasy girl type I want.
• Jascoi

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  5 years ago

  And there are a lot of black fantasy girls.
• chessmaster

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  5 years ago

  I agree OP is race baiting. But if they take less then go for it.
• PaulDrake

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  5 years ago

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• Clubber

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  5 years ago

  I don't offer any money, but do tip.
• skibum609

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  5 years ago

  I like petite spinners with a b-cup. Race is immaterial. Not a lot of black dancers at Desires, but of the few that are there, 90% are spinner types and they seem to be in ultra high demand and able to pick and choose among the customer base. I was a customer of one for around 12+ years. For the guys on this board who have been to Desire I would ask if they agree that Na_____ and Pa_____ are not only hot but seem busy all the time.
• Mate27

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  5 years ago

  Nobody has asked the question, if a white girl was being solicited by a black man, does she require more money? Things that make you go hmmmm....
• chessmaster

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  5 years ago

  "Nobody has asked the question, if a white girl was being solicited by a black man, does she require more money?" Dont know if you're being serious or sarcastic/funny. But actually, sometimes I do feel like being black(and /or young(er)) I have to prove I have a certain amount of money(her GPS premium minimum?) or it's just outright assumed I cant afford her. In rare instances, I do feel like I'm paying more for the same as what old white guys pay to get the same service. But I'm not one to play the victim card that often so I either deal with it or dont if they arent worth it. Doesnt happen all the time or even that often. But it does happen often enough for me to notice.
• san_jose_guy

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  5 years ago

  I always talk to women in an entirely civilian manner. I never offer them money. That they get money is only because they have in principle agreed, and then because they have asked for it or because I just give it to them. Never try to use money persuade them. SJG
• Call.Me.Ishmael

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  5 years ago

  @skibum609... Agreed.
• Cashman1234

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  5 years ago

  A dancers race is irrelevant in my decision to purchase dances. Its her body and the naughty vibe I get from her that gets my attention. If she offers what I want - and the price is reasonable - I’m going to accept her offer.
• Pistrolla

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  5 years ago

  I offer more money to donkeys. They have bigger cocks! Weeeeaooooow
• herbtcat

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  5 years ago

  My dick (like my libido) is color blind, especially in a dark VIP booth. The OP's question is based on an invalid premise - that somehow a "white" strippers' services are better than a "black" strippers' services. Having paid for laps, VIP, ITC, OTC and sugar from a wide variety of ethnicities, I reject that premise and say that what I am willing to pay, what I offer and what I accept are based on many factors: body shape, face, personality, communication skills, hygiene (hers and mine at that time), belief in the fantasy, belief in the level of service I will receive, club prices before any negotiated tip, dance/service area conditions, my current level of horny, my current cash on hand, who I am with, club aspects like risk of getting busted, scammed, or worse.... it goes on... If there's a place to consider skin, it's usually more about skin aspects that make her less attractive like scars, stretch marks, pimples, tats, firmness, etc. I cannot recall in 30+ years of being a PL a single time I consciously decided to "pay $nnn more because she is white... Now skinny, Asian spinners between 18-23... that's entirely different! :p
• Bavarian

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  5 years ago

  I keep it simple. Everyone gets offered market rate plus tip
• Liwet

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  5 years ago

  >Everyone gets offered market rate plus tip Is darker skin less in demand than lighter skinned girls and if so, does this change the market rate for girls of differing skin tones?
• Papi_Chulo

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  5 years ago

  I offer AA-dancers market-rate plus 40-acres-and-a-mule
• Jascoi

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  5 years ago

  there is a particular hk dancer... her body is easy 8+ and yet I still turn her down because I don't care for her face. and she ain't black. there's a lot of black girls that I like. i'll say that there is an easy 1/4 to 1/3 of the girls I've enjoyed over the years... in a most thorough sexual encounter... that are black. it's all about sexiness.
• reverendhornibastard

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  5 years ago

  Race has nothing to do with it. I have never had the impression that black girls offered desploogination services for a lower price than white girls. Overweight girls who are well beyond their “best before date” DO offer desploogination services at bargain basement prices, but the younger, sexier dancers of any color don’t.
• DandyDan

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  5 years ago

  It hasn't come up too much, mostly because I haven't met a lot of black women I considered worthy of my time, but the ones I have get the market rate. It's not like they don't know what the market rate is.
• Funkycold88

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  5 years ago

  Race has nothing to do with what I would pay. The only thing that really matters is if they're my type or not. AA girls are not usually my type but occasionally I do find some I find attractive but I would never offer less.
• Cashman1234

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  5 years ago

  I hope this isn’t too rough - but when a banana gets over ripe - and changes from yellow to dark brown and shriveled - I will not eat it. Yeah - I’m racist like that! I can’t run for elected office anymore - as my produce racism is just wrong.
• Call.Me.Ishmael

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  5 years ago

  I still don't negotiate based on race. Either I want dances or I don't. I don't need to tabulate economic versus sociological data to figure out who I think is hot.
• nicespice

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  5 years ago

  I wish nickifree would come back and offer his insights lmao.
• Mate27

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  5 years ago

  If offer nicespice more money just to have dinner w/me! :-)...
• nicespice

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  5 years ago

  ^ My blahblah is such a good wife. 😍
• Warrior15

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  5 years ago

  If Halle Berry came up to me at a club, I would pay thru the nose.
• twentyfive

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  5 years ago

  ^ call it reparations right ;)
• wallanon

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  5 years ago

  "Nobody has asked the question, if a white girl was being solicited by a black man, does she require more money?" So this was probably a troll post, but there are a lot of lurkers around so I've seen in plenty of clubs where dancers put a "tax" on customers they'd rather not do things for. In some cases, it has something to do with how the guy looks, where he's from, how he smells, etc. And as stupid as it sounds, especially in mid-range clubs you'd be surprised at how much better (and cheaper) things go when you just show up to the club clean. A lot of these threads are all wrapped up in what a guy's wearing and how old he is, what he looks like, etc. You're seeing the same customers in the clubs I'm seeing. The bar is pretty low to make a good impression a lot of the time.
• IceyLoco

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  5 years ago

  I think OP is asking a legit question. It's a pretty common belief in Vegas clubs. Race plays a huge factor there ....