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6 years ago
Absolutely. I’ll do 2-3 days a week at peak times and then take a month or two off entirely. As with anything, you have to be intentional about your choices. If it stops being worth your time and money, stop doing it.
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6 years ago
I definitely agree with that! Night shift is kind of appalling at FC right now, and day shift is just the same 3-4 people I already know well.
But I often have trouble finding even one dancer I like at mid-tier clubs nearby like BT’s, Criket, Lansing Strip, or Subi’s, especially day shift.
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6 years ago
Doctorevil is correct. FC alone has one dancer I think of as runway-model level gorgeous, about 10 more that are actually part-time models, and many more that are IG-model-level and/or very attractive for dancers. Mileage and prices also can’t be beat.
The only downside is that the most attractive dancers are also the most popular, so you can’t guarantee that your favorite eye candy will even have time for you.
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6 years ago
I would have been turned off already at, “Hi, would you like some dances?” Personally, I’m not dropping any money in the VIP on someone I didn’t build a rapport with first.
But I’ve recently encountered a lot of stories of strippers in Detroit clubs who are trying to work clean (or are at least *very* selective about extras). It’s usually at the mid-tier clubs where some number of the customers are just guys blowing off steam with friends. The price premium for extras at those clubs is also not always worth it for the stripper (FS is roughly the same price as 20 minutes of lappers).
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6 years ago
I've never had any problems, and I've often (unwisely) left valuables in there.
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6 years ago
I'm in the same camp as DC9428.
I primarily go to the club to chill with fun people. Treating those people with respect has a lot of benefits. One dancer teases me because I'm known to get some pretty deep discounts from a few girls. RIL can go both ways.
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6 years ago
I've probably said some pretty stupid shit in strip clubs, too.
I have one favorite dancer who I visit exclusively to complain about my dating life. I'm sure she thinks I'm an idiot, but it's cheaper than therapy and she's cute and half-naked.
I had another dancer who developed a crush on me and used to get pissed off whenever I would point out other guys she could go make more money from. I never understood why that bothered her (she was always welcome to socialize for free, but I wasn't paying for her time).
I once passed up an OTC opportunity with a great-looking dancer because her invitation was vague and I prefer to be pursued (rather than the other way around).
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6 years ago
I’m platonic friends with lots of dancers. Many dancers are cool people. If you enjoy their company (and aren’t just using this as some sad attempt to get close to a person you wish you were fucking) why wouldn’t you want to be friends?
Pros:
- I get to hang out with cool people outside of the club for free.
- I get invited to parties with other dancers or similarly young, hot women.
- I invite dancer friends to my parties (which results in much better parties).
- When I’m in the club, they’ll chill with me for free, help me pick out other girls, give me discounts on dances, or generally work to make my experience better.
Cons:
- One won’t dance for me anymore because she gets self-conscious trying to pretend to be sexy in front of me.
- You have to be good with boundaries in the club so they don’t dampen your experience by unloading all their emotional baggage on you.
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6 years ago
Tough call. I’m very much in favor of honesty and transparency, even though that may alert me to my turn-offs (babies and trashy drama). But that’s probably also because I prefer repeated GFE encounters over anonymous extras. I’d like to know what I’m getting into, for better or worse. And most dancers aren’t great at the sustained deception.
If I just wanted one night of dances (or more) from a hot stripper, I’d probably prefer to be lied to about many things.
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6 years ago
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Papi_ChuloMiami, FL (or the nearest big-booty club)
Happens all the time. I’m a well-known regular at my home club. Most days, I have 3-4 dancers I’m there to visit with. But one dancer thinks she owns me whenever she’s present, going so far as to threaten other dancers in the dressing room (or so I’m told). And others tend to monopolize my time, even if I’m sitting with others.
The key is always to be clear about what you want and what you’re willing to pay for. If someone does something that pisses you off, explain that it is unacceptable and close the wallet until the behavior improves.
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6 years ago
Great question! I ran into this recently and could use the same advice. (Had a nice VIP time with a dancer who then texted me that we should get together “some night when [she’s] not working.”) Given that this was a low-mileage club, I’m assuming that’s an opening for OTC offer to earn some side cash.
OP’s invite is a little more nuanced because you’ve already met outside the club once. She could have other motivations (but probably not).
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6 years ago
Depends on what I’m looking for:
If it’s just some rando approaching unsolicited, I usually just ask a few basic questions to feel them out (where are you from, how long have you been dancing, why did you pick your stage name, etc.). Often, I’m a little aloof to make them work to get my attention.
If I tipped them and I think they might be a candidate for a regular GFE, then I treat it a lot like a normal date in the real world. I’m fun, flirty, and talk about stuff like music, hobbies, etc.
If I’m just there for a brief VIP trip, I probably tipped them solely because of how they look, and don’t need to spend too much time talking anyway. I might ask if it’s been a busy shift or something to get them thinking about profits/negotiations.
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6 years ago
I walked into Follies once, but stayed for less than 10 minutes. Even at 3-4 pm on a weekday, it was too crowded to find a seat and too dark to see who was rubbing up against me. Not my type of club.
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6 years ago
@s275ironman - $325 for drinks, dances, and 2 hours of company is good value at FC. It sounds like this dancer enjoys your company as much as you enjoy hers.
As I mentioned, I have on occasion bought out a dancer’s entire 7-hour shift on a weekend night. But that’s usually been $400-$500 (not including drinks or food), and these are dancers I have extensive pre-existing relationships with. It’s also much nicer when those things happen organically, as they did for you!
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6 years ago
This is such a common story that it’s trite. You have feelings for someone who doesn’t have them back. You’re trying to get her to pretend like she has feelings by throwing more and more money her way. But that just makes this more and more of a business transaction for her. Take it from someone who dated a dancer—the more she likes you, the *less* you’ll be asked to spend over time.
You’re never actually going to get those feelings reciprocated. (The real life equivalent would be you trying to “befriend” a girl who doesn’t like you back, doing shit for her and giving her a bunch of gifts in the hopes of approximating the intimacy of a real relationship.)
Yes, she’ll get jealous if she thinks she’s losing you as a source of income. And you played right into it by chasing after her instead of staying with the new dancer. The healthiest thing for you will literally be to just cut it off now. You don’t have the distance or objectivity to actually treat this like a vendor/client relationship. And she doesn’t like you enough to make it anything more.
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6 years ago
One additional note: I’ve been told that night shifts, especially weekeends, tend to have more “party girls” who are trying to have fun while they work. So another strategy for getting sustained attention from the 8+ crowd is to order bottle service and a hookah and make your booth the fun place to be. I’ve done it once, but that’s not really my vibe. I’m more into GFE than balling out.
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6 years ago
@Subraman - It’s a fair question, and complicated by the fact that everyone’s ratings are a little different.
If you read my reviews, you’ll see that I generally consider 6s or below unacceptable, and I won’t spend money on them. Some clubs, like Criket, have only 1-2 dancers that I would even consider to be 7.5+, and I only go to see them. I frequent FC because it’s the only club I’ve been to that consistently has a number of 7+ dancers to choose from (on my scale).
But you are correct that I get the best experience from dancers that are not always my top choice physically. A 19-yo blond spinner probably has too much earning potential to spend most of a Saturday night in my booth. If a day shift experience is my goal, I’m going to get more value out of befriending a 7 with a great personality than always chasing after the perfect ass.
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6 years ago
I have a few dancers around Detroit that will happily give me the day shift experience on a weekend night, but that’s part of the benefit of being a regular. Definitely easier to get before midnight, though. And if I want to guarantee *exclusive* attention all night, I’ll need to spend at least $400-500.
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6 years ago
I’m a Flight Club regular, and I think the weekdays are better than the weekend evenings, personally. Plenty of beautiful women, mostly sober, and with more time and attention to pay to each customer.
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6 years ago
My first priority is club atmosphere / service. My favorite home club is upscale, but relaxed. It has a full bar and restaurant (with delicious food). The servers are attentive without being pushy. And the bouncers patrol the seating (especially the private booths), meaning I can head off to the VIP rooms, or just wander away to the smoking lounge or to take a phone call from work without fear that someone will try to steal my seat.
Don't get me wrong, the quality of the dancers, the dances themselves, and the pricing all play into the decision. But first and foremost, I'm looking to have a fun, relaxing evening out. I like to buy a booth and hang out for 4-6 hours while getting to know multiple dancers over dinner and drinks. I always feel welcome, and I never feel rushed, or pressured into spending more than I want to at any given moment. That's key for me.
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6 years ago
Thanks for the recommendations, everyone! Cheetahs was definite the right answer, although the mileage compared to Detroit is obviously disappointing. I’ll add a review soon!
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6 years ago
Flight Club is my favorite club in the Detroit metro area, and is the best bet for the kind of dancers you seek.
I'm there a couple times a week and have built up trust with a number of the dancers. Based on these discussions, most dancers expect to get $200-300 from a typical trip to the VIP. Many will quote you higher, but no one is offended if you negotiate in good faith (i.e. don't be pushy and don't be creepy). If you catch the right person in the right mood, lower prices are possible.
General advice for your first trip:
- Booths are nice if you're going to stay for a while, but it's fine to just grab a free table or a seat at the bar. If you do go to the bar, try to keep a seat free next to you for dancers to approach and don't crowd the other customers (they need seats for dancers, too).
- Tip the dancers you'd like to meet when they are on stage. My standard tip is $5. That's enough to indicate interest and most dancers will make an effort to come find you once they are off stage and rested a bit. Be selective in who you tip.
- Be patient. Don't get weird and clingy or offended if a dancer goes to some other customer first. You're new, and might not be their first priority. Enjoy a few drinks and the ambiance until a dancer you like approaches you.
- Don't waste the dancers' time. It's fine to get to know a dancer before deciding whether you want a VIP trip. But if you chat someone up for 20-30 minutes only to conclude she's not your type, at least tip her something for her time. And if someone you don't want to dance with someone that randomly approaches you, don't chat them up out of "politeness." A simple, direct "no thank you" is best.
- On your way into the VIP rooms, you're expected to tip the bouncer. I usually tip $10. Your dancer will probably remind you if you forget.
- Tipping on top of paying for your VIP dance is completely optional, and I've never met a dancer who pressured me about it. I would guess I tip about half the time, anywhere from 10-20%.
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6 years ago
At FC, I try to stick to $150 for a BJ and $200 for FS. But there has definitely been an asking price creep lately, and I'm as guilty as anyone of caving and paying closer to $250 on average for various reasons.
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6 years ago
Re: the non-dancing blonde, lots of regulars will pay just for time (or make other kinds of arrangements that don’t involve VIP rooms). I’ve definitely had nights where I spent 3+ hours with dancers that I never took in back.
Probably looks crazy from the outside, but it’s not always a bad business decision.
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6 years ago
Short-haired blonde on day shift is probably Kimberly.