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6 years ago
I would pretty much echo what chessmaster said. Extras are rare in DFW. Most VIP areas are shared so don't expect privacy. You can expect high mileage 2 way contact and heavy grinding (except maybe at the lodge).
If you are going during dayshift then only go to Bucks Fort Worth or Baby Dolls. Both of those are some of the best dayshifts in the country, you get the dayshift vibe with as many hot girls as nightshift at most clubs.
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6 years ago
So I looked it up and my account got about 450 messages in 36 hours.
@Subraman - Yeah my advice is probably a little too broad. Obviously over a certain age you can't pull off the tongue out or puppy filter photo. I am in my 30s so I could totally pull those off, so I was more thinking off myself trying to avoid the mopey guy in 30s stereotype. For an older guy in his 50s I would still stand by the advice to show a variety in your photos.
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6 years ago
@nicespice - I am glad you approve of my trolling lol.
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6 years ago
So I decided to end the experiment. I got the info I wanted and I want to minimize collateral damage. The second wave of offers was indeed a little higher however as the girl I picked was a particular brand of hot a lot of higher offers were from other metro areas of the country for her to fly there for a few days (someone earlier in the thread mentioned the 95% of guys are fighting for 5% of girls and I think that rings true here). Also a lot more offers in the second wave were wanting more overnights, or multi days in a row.
The easiest advice I would give to guys from my experiment is that your photos should show a range. You don't just want pics of you in front of a jet or rolls royce. They shouldn't all be workout photos. You want a spectrum, one pic showing luxury, one pic doing something active, one selfie in a group with a few age appropriate women. Past that to stand out I would add some more millennial style photos, do one sticking your tongue out, and do a photo with the snapchat puppy filter. Things like that would make you stand out massively over the crowd.
Here are the second round of offers:
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6 years ago
@pinsugardoll - You are right, it is inconclusive. And if I picked a different type of girl (older, younger, or curvier) I would probably attract a different crowd. But there are some valid takeaways. For instance if you are a guy in his 50s who stays fit, you are NOT unique on SA. You need to do something else to stand out, for instance add a couple pics in a business suit, or polo shirt with a golden retriever, you are already maxed out on the shirtless pics. If you are a chubby guy in his 30s, you're pics make you look look sad, so take some better pics, get someone to make you genuinely laugh, maybe get a selfie with a few pretty girls you work with.
@randommember - I tend to massively over-research, and over-do everything I put my mind to in life. It is a side effect of my personality and how my obsessive brain works. I don't expect you to understand. I also had some minor surgery a few days ago and I am stuck at home bored out of my mind.
As far as my plans for SA. I haven't decided, before doing this experiment I was pretty dead set on doing it in January when my CF moves away. But after this experiment I am not so sure. The competition on SA is a lot tougher than I was expecting. If I do decide to go the SA route I think I will have a pretty big advantage knowing what I am up against.
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6 years ago
So now that the initial rush is over the account has slowed down a lot. Getting some higher offers. But again I think some of the higher offers are scams. Once someone makes an offer I immediately ban them LOL. So I am not keeping the conversation going long enough to hear their scam. One high offer wanted me to get a bank account at a specific bank and two others wanted to pay me with paypal (known scam - they will reverse the charge after the deed is done).
So there are definitely a few "types" of guys on SA:
- Old white guys trying to look young. This is probably the largest group. Think of some guy in his 50s wearing a terrible shirt and hairstyle that is completely non-fitting for his age. Sometimes they have bleached hair (think Guy Fieri) and are always overly tan. Shirtless pics are common, but they are never super muscular or ripped. All of these guys profiles are big about talking about whatever active fitness things they do.
- Older fogies not trying to look young. Think 60-80yo grandpas. These guys tend to write really nice heartfelt messages. I didn't get as many of these but my girl's profile specified she was looking for under 40.
- Chubby to Fat spectrum white guys in their 30s. Some of them are serious bottom feeders (lowballers) and all of them seem pretty sad.
- Young asians in their 30s are pretty common, and seem to have money. Some of them aren't bad looking actually. It just sucks to be a shorter asian guy I guess.
- Indian guys in their 40s-50s. These guys are very common, maybe the second largest group. They tend to be fierce negotiators and generally refuse to make the first offer. But if you can get them to make an offer they are always low but never lowball. They play it very smart. However they usually are pretty demanding in what they want (overnights, exclusivity, etc). A lot of them seem to put Z-E-R-O effort into their pics. Once guy, I have not fucking idea what he is thinking. He has the worst most disgusting pic ever. It is him in the gym, balding, giant belly, sweat stained shirt with a HOLE in it. Seriously why would ANYONE in their right mind not immediately delete that photo after taking it...?
@BoringLoser - After a week I am thinking of making a second account with more of a girl next door type. This one is too universally hot. I want to try again with someone I would actually be interested in. For that account I won't talk to anyone just compare the view counts.
@Subraman - With all of the traffic some of these girls get what is your strategy on conversation?
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6 years ago
Yeah the girl I picked out is pretty perfect for baiting people on SA.
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6 years ago
@Subraman - I sent you a link to my profile. Lmk what you think. Message me on there with the password "goat lover" and I'll give you the private pic access.
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6 years ago
LMAO Bro!
Good trolling
Smashing that like button
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6 years ago
- One other note, a lot of guys want to IMMEDIATELY make it clear that they will only start with PPM. I think starting PPM is good and normal but talking about it right off the bat is bad and unnecessary.
- Had one sad guy who keeps emailing me asking why I don't like him. He is sad. He also raised his offer from $375 to 500.
- One thing I can see is that it is easier for a girl to get a higher amount once. A lot of guys want to pump and dump with a hot girl once and then move on. Getting consistent income of a higher amount is much harder, and I think some of the guys offering moderate amounts are not in it for the long term.
- I think because the account is new I am probably getting a lot of guys who target new girls. It will be interesting to see if the offers go up as time goes on. I don't plan on keeping the account going for more than a week.
@Warrior15 - From what I understand you can easily get banned for talking about "pay per meet" prices on SA. Most people on the sugaring forum advise to get the conversation off of SA as soon as you can. Initially I tried to get guys to email me eventually figured out that most guys are not sugaring experts and seem totally willing to talk PPM prices openly on the site. About 50% of guys want to move the conversation to text or kik. The rest are not savvy enough to know that. Also by the amount of people that are willing to talk PPM it must be that you have to be reported, so don't be an asshole or lowballer.
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6 years ago
And smash that like button
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6 years ago
^^^ Don't forget to ad me to your trust list!
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6 years ago
- There was definitely a relationship between age and ugliness and the amount offered. Some of the guys offering more were seriously fugly.
- One guy was pretty decent looking who offered $500 that was about the only exception. Maybe he wants something weird sexually.
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6 years ago
- Also some of those offers were probably low and then the guy would be willing to negotiate up. However I think some offers were actually high, as in that is the price the guy is offering for an overnight.
- Some of the high offers were pretty demanding. Like BDSM sex contracts with lots of rules and exclusivity.
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6 years ago
Are you going to .com or .net?
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6 years ago
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flagoonerEverything written by this member is a fact.
@nicespice - I think it's more in areas that have a fixed higher VIP cost that HJs aren't considered extra. Here in TX awesome high mileage LDs are commonplace but HJs and extras in general are rarer.
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6 years ago
174 mph in a McLaren 720S at COTA
However the stupidest I have ever been: A few racer buddies and I started a competition to see who could set the fastest speed in a pickup truck while towing their trailer and racecar. I held the record at 100mph for a while (using the 85mph toll road in Austin. Since then the record has been reset to 120mph by someone else, I have tried to beat it but my truck isn't powerful enough.
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6 years ago
So did this happen?
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6 years ago
I don't care about extras or mileage. I stick to LDKs and the mileage I want is available at all clubs in my area. I do only club during dayshift, so I am massively more likely to pick a club with a busy dayshift.
Obviously you (pinksugardoll) have been to my home club (bucks fort worth) you have a good idea how it works. The club pretty much stays out of the way. The cost of food, drinks, and privacy are all extremely reasonably priced. And the club isn't pushy about pushing sales at least during the day.
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6 years ago
Here are the alcohol sales numbers for most popular DFW clubs:
http://www.barmart.net/ReportTradeName1.aspx?TradeName=BABY+DOLLS+TOPLESS+SALOON
http://www.barmart.net/ReportTradeName1.aspx?TradeName=BUCKS+CABARET
Looks like they are selling around $400,000-500,000 a month!
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6 years ago
Guys I am not worried about sperm count.
I have heard conflicting reports about how long to wait before sexual activity. And obviously no where online is going to give advice about how long to wait after a vasectomy before you can get a LD.
From what I can gather the 1 week wait for sex has more to do with the vigorous ball slapping that can happen in sex. So HJ, BJ are fine even a day or few after the surgery. Some people talk about online doing it the next day, some people talk about getting an erection a day later and it being painful so who knows.
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6 years ago
I have always wondered why strip clubs have physical DJs. I think it has to do with music liscensing. Playing the music is considered a performance so the club is probably supposed to pay to play it. By contracting out to an independent DJ he can play music and get away with not paying the liscensing fees. But that is just a theory.
It would be cool if dancers had an app where they could see live where they are in the upcoming stage lineup. Even bid or pay to move up and down.
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6 years ago
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ei8ht_BallStill don't know what I'm doing here . . .
@SJG - I stopped reading at the part where coworkers complained you were being creepy.
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6 years ago
@Titus23 - As long as you are happy with what you are getting for what you are spending then I am happy for you. I am not a fan of paying as little as possible, I always want to find someone who is very happy with the amount that I spend. That said you could be spending less and getting exactly the same thing, or possibly even better treatment.
I believe there is such a thing as paying too much, and not for the reason you might think. I don't want to pay an ATF so much that she can't express anger or frustration at me or be willing to walk away from me. At the level that you spend Titus you could probably be a totally toxic asshole and a girl would just put up with it. That particular type of fake-ness is something I personally don't want.
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6 years ago
I think GMD forgot to login to his troll account.