I am a hot girl on Seeking Arrangement... Day 1
PaulDrake
Off again on again PL
So I have been kicking around the idea of trying SA. I decided last night to try and make a female account in my area to see what sort of offers it would get. I am not catfishing anyone for money or anything like that. No scams. I just want to see what sort of offers are normal in my area (DFW Texas). I'll make a new thread in a few days if I have any other good intel.
So I made a fake account. I took precautions so the pics can't be reverse searched. The girl I picked was pretty hot (solid 9) and got a TON of interest. So far it has been less than 8 hours the account has been running and I have gotten hundreds of messages, and over 40 offers.
What I have learned:
- One guy sent a dick pic. Weirdly his dick was on the smaller than average size so I don't know why he would do that? I told him "nice penis" but that was a lie.
- Even though the number of girls to guys is like 20 girls:1 guy in my area a new hot girl gets an INSANE amount of interest. Even typing responses as fast as I can I have literally just been replying to people for like 5 hours straight.
- Tons of guys (10-20%) just request private pics with no message at all. Pretty stupid, so don't do that if you are a guy on SA.
- A ton of guys massively lie about their height and age but particularly age. Maybe 30-50% of guys listed as being under 40 were probably closer to 60. So not lying a little but lying a lot. Obviously there must be a lot of girls who aren't interested in 40+ year olds.
- A surprising number of guys have no pic at all. Probably a bad strategy when trying to attract a 9+.
- A lot of guys are really coy about making an offer. Like they are hoping the girl will just ask for $50 or something. Again bad strategy when trying to score a 9+.
Here are the offers I got. There were also about 5 that didn't want to pay. Additionally for two of the highest offers were scams. I suspect more were scams but I didn't keep conversation long enough to find out:
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So I made a fake account. I took precautions so the pics can't be reverse searched. The girl I picked was pretty hot (solid 9) and got a TON of interest. So far it has been less than 8 hours the account has been running and I have gotten hundreds of messages, and over 40 offers.
What I have learned:
- One guy sent a dick pic. Weirdly his dick was on the smaller than average size so I don't know why he would do that? I told him "nice penis" but that was a lie.
- Even though the number of girls to guys is like 20 girls:1 guy in my area a new hot girl gets an INSANE amount of interest. Even typing responses as fast as I can I have literally just been replying to people for like 5 hours straight.
- Tons of guys (10-20%) just request private pics with no message at all. Pretty stupid, so don't do that if you are a guy on SA.
- A ton of guys massively lie about their height and age but particularly age. Maybe 30-50% of guys listed as being under 40 were probably closer to 60. So not lying a little but lying a lot. Obviously there must be a lot of girls who aren't interested in 40+ year olds.
- A surprising number of guys have no pic at all. Probably a bad strategy when trying to attract a 9+.
- A lot of guys are really coy about making an offer. Like they are hoping the girl will just ask for $50 or something. Again bad strategy when trying to score a 9+.
Here are the offers I got. There were also about 5 that didn't want to pay. Additionally for two of the highest offers were scams. I suspect more were scams but I didn't keep conversation long enough to find out:
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- Some of the high offers were pretty demanding. Like BDSM sex contracts with lots of rules and exclusivity.
- One guy was pretty decent looking who offered $500 that was about the only exception. Maybe he wants something weird sexually.
I've told flagooner like 100 times to stop sending out pictures of his little penis but he won't listen. I wonder if finding out that this time a man was on the other end will change his behavior?
A sugar baby once told me she respected guys who didn’t have their face out in the open. Think about it, if you’re truly a “high level” guy with lots of money, you’re probably smart enough NOT to put your face on some random sugar daddy site especially if you’re married with kids.
- Had one sad guy who keeps emailing me asking why I don't like him. He is sad. He also raised his offer from $375 to 500.
- One thing I can see is that it is easier for a girl to get a higher amount once. A lot of guys want to pump and dump with a hot girl once and then move on. Getting consistent income of a higher amount is much harder, and I think some of the guys offering moderate amounts are not in it for the long term.
- I think because the account is new I am probably getting a lot of guys who target new girls. It will be interesting to see if the offers go up as time goes on. I don't plan on keeping the account going for more than a week.
@Warrior15 - From what I understand you can easily get banned for talking about "pay per meet" prices on SA. Most people on the sugaring forum advise to get the conversation off of SA as soon as you can. Initially I tried to get guys to email me eventually figured out that most guys are not sugaring experts and seem totally willing to talk PPM prices openly on the site. About 50% of guys want to move the conversation to text or kik. The rest are not savvy enough to know that. Also by the amount of people that are willing to talk PPM it must be that you have to be reported, so don't be an asshole or lowballer.
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Pretty sure SA has some sort of AI algorithm to identify messages that contain both sex and PPM.
The Reddit forum has other examples of guys posting as fake SBs. I think you've proven what's pretty obvious: 95% of the men are chasing the same 5% of the women
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Good, more PaulDrake booty for me. I hereby add 10% to my offer of half of juice's weekly salary plus 3 dick pics.
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No, it's not at all obvious and it's not a dating sate. Money doubles in the stock market every decade or so and there are lot more wealthy men 60+ than 40-.
1) If many of these guys just want to pump and dump, why not go on an escort site like Eros? Arguably hotter chicks, they all want to be wined, dined and mortified, and the dude can just come again some other day, garunteed.
2) Why isn't this on the Article section?
So there are definitely a few "types" of guys on SA:
- Old white guys trying to look young. This is probably the largest group. Think of some guy in his 50s wearing a terrible shirt and hairstyle that is completely non-fitting for his age. Sometimes they have bleached hair (think Guy Fieri) and are always overly tan. Shirtless pics are common, but they are never super muscular or ripped. All of these guys profiles are big about talking about whatever active fitness things they do.
- Older fogies not trying to look young. Think 60-80yo grandpas. These guys tend to write really nice heartfelt messages. I didn't get as many of these but my girl's profile specified she was looking for under 40.
- Chubby to Fat spectrum white guys in their 30s. Some of them are serious bottom feeders (lowballers) and all of them seem pretty sad.
- Young asians in their 30s are pretty common, and seem to have money. Some of them aren't bad looking actually. It just sucks to be a shorter asian guy I guess.
- Indian guys in their 40s-50s. These guys are very common, maybe the second largest group. They tend to be fierce negotiators and generally refuse to make the first offer. But if you can get them to make an offer they are always low but never lowball. They play it very smart. However they usually are pretty demanding in what they want (overnights, exclusivity, etc). A lot of them seem to put Z-E-R-O effort into their pics. Once guy, I have not fucking idea what he is thinking. He has the worst most disgusting pic ever. It is him in the gym, balding, giant belly, sweat stained shirt with a HOLE in it. Seriously why would ANYONE in their right mind not immediately delete that photo after taking it...?
@BoringLoser - After a week I am thinking of making a second account with more of a girl next door type. This one is too universally hot. I want to try again with someone I would actually be interested in. For that account I won't talk to anyone just compare the view counts.
@Subraman - With all of the traffic some of these girls get what is your strategy on conversation?
Certain areas seem much worse than others for bottom feeders ( Northeast Ohio being where I hear the most complaining about Splenda Daddies)
DC seeming to be the best area for people being who they say they are ( who would have thought DC for honesty)
I have had conversations about gift offers sight unseen with some of my former sb's. Basically who does this? Apparently it does happen quite a bit and I don't understand how anybody could do that with somebody who could be a total fake or just pure hustle. I personally I find that particularly pathetic and an amateur move. Maybe I'm just an asshole.
Have you gotten many sight unseen gift or $ offers Paul?
Rule #2--meet for coffee or drinks ( which might turn into dinner if the conversation goes well and needs to be extended)
Rule # 3- She'll let you know what your next move is.......
It's not a strategy exactly, but I seem to have hit my stride with:
1. Favorite, but do not contact, new girls. They're flooded with messages they can't keep up with. Plus, it's good for her to get a dose of the scammers, pic requesters, johns, and incredibly rude guys. They put the fair maiden in distress (and disgust), which prepares her for when I ride in on my mighty steed
2. In a week or two, contact her with a short polite message that references some part of her profile in a clever way, and that does not request her private pics, or make any reference to sex. I could be imagining it, but I feel like this noticeably increases the chance of a return message, even from a hot in-demand chick.
3. Quickly move to establish a little rapport, get her private pics, and get off the site to texting to discuss meeting (and, if she wants, allowance & intimacy details)
Trying to understand why @Drake is asking for advice and a strategy?
After all, he’s already done a careful statistical and demographic study of the sugaring scene – the kind of careful work that would make the National Science Foundation green with envy. Why worry about having a strategy when your competition consists of homely east Indians, short Asians, and pathetic, awkward, and decrepit white men in their 50s? Just post your picture and be done with it!
Flirting with other middle-aged men online may not be the most pleasant thing. But look at the rewards!!
@randommember - I tend to massively over-research, and over-do everything I put my mind to in life. It is a side effect of my personality and how my obsessive brain works. I don't expect you to understand. I also had some minor surgery a few days ago and I am stuck at home bored out of my mind.
As far as my plans for SA. I haven't decided, before doing this experiment I was pretty dead set on doing it in January when my CF moves away. But after this experiment I am not so sure. The competition on SA is a lot tougher than I was expecting. If I do decide to go the SA route I think I will have a pretty big advantage knowing what I am up against.
@RandomMember well all the millionaires I've been around didn't go to college. They learned all their skills online and use the power of interest to build their net worth (stocks, ETFs, high yield savings accounts etc.). One of these dudes I know became millionaire status by age 26 due to real estate and real estate INVESTING
For instance if you are a guy in his 50s who stays fit, you are NOT unique on SA
and even more so with this one
add a couple pics in a business suit, or polo shirt with a golden retriever, you are already maxed out on the shirtless pics.
There are certain parts of the country it means more than others to have a college education---you happen to be in one of them.
One of the secrets to my life has been to work in large cities, ( have clients there) but live in small town USA. A lot more people do it now than when I started my own business decades ago but based on what I observed back then I was ahead of the curve.
The DC area in particular has a lot of people living large but living paycheck to paycheck and in some cases not being able to cover their bills even then.
The easiest advice I would give to guys from my experiment is that your photos should show a range. You don't just want pics of you in front of a jet or rolls royce. They shouldn't all be workout photos. You want a spectrum, one pic showing luxury, one pic doing something active, one selfie in a group with a few age appropriate women. Past that to stand out I would add some more millennial style photos, do one sticking your tongue out, and do a photo with the snapchat puppy filter. Things like that would make you stand out massively over the crowd.
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-->"as the girl I picked was a particular brand of hot a lot of higher offers were from other metro areas of the country for her to fly there for a few days"
Based on conversation on the sub, the vast majority of these out-of-town offers are scammers. As an SD, you likely do not need to factor these fellows into your calculations
-->"Past that to stand out I would add some more millennial style photos, do one sticking your tongue out, and do a photo with the snapchat puppy filter. Things like that would make you stand out massively over the crowd."
Stand out, but in a bad way, in that you've made it easy for her to identify that you're a tool. Standing out isn't a virtue in itself. I'd be careful here about going from descriptive "here's what guys who contact me do" to prescriptive "here's good advice on how to hook a good SB"
@Subraman - Yeah my advice is probably a little too broad. Obviously over a certain age you can't pull off the tongue out or puppy filter photo. I am in my 30s so I could totally pull those off, so I was more thinking off myself trying to avoid the mopey guy in 30s stereotype. For an older guy in his 50s I would still stand by the advice to show a variety in your photos.
Yeah, the tongue out or puppy filter definitely wouldn't work for an older guy. I'm actually not convinced it wouldn't work against a younger guy, either -- this isn't a dating site, the girls are primarily looking for signs that the man is mature, stable, "generous", and able to afford what he claims. Puppy filter or tongue out might play on a real dating site, but it sends exactly the opposite message from what women are looking for on SA, is my guess, even if the guy can "pull it off" elsewhere. I think all but the newest least-experienced girls will move on immediately when they see a man sticking his tongue out.
I feel the same way about "variety of pics". Maybe on a real dating site. On SA, you might be thinking too much like a guy. For guys, the most important part of a female profile is the pics. For women, everything I read on the sub is that pics absolutely are not -- I mean, they don't want you to look horrible, but one face pic and one body pic is all that's needed to show that, anything else is gravy.
Anyway, just my theory based on what I've read on the sub. Could be wrong, of course, but I think experienced SBs might not be looking for typical dating-site indicators