Comments by JAprufrock (page 5)

$450 for a fuck sounds expensive, but it's really not outlandish for three hours of her time. Now, I wouldn't want to pay $150 an hour for a stripper to watch a movie with me, but if you were able to caress, cuddle and have bodily contact with her for the full three hours, I wouldn't say it was money wasted, especially if you were able to get multiple SOG and a GFE. Wouldn't spend that much more than maybe a couple times a year, though.

@Rod8432 nailed it. @Leonard313, sounds like part of your is struggling with guilt issues. not due to infidelity but religion. I got in the game five years ago after being in a dark place for a few years following a bad breakup and I haven't had one ounce of regret and never will. Wish I would have started sooner because it's been a game-changer. I'm happier, healthier, more motivated. Sure, I occasionally miss the emotional connection that comes from a conventional relationship, but I don't miss the drama and baggage. Maybe one day I'll find someone and quit the hobby. Until then, I'm going to keep sexing up beautiful young women and feel any guilt whatsoever for enjoying one of life's greatest pleasures.

Great review, @HalfnHalf. Good advice on taking the rental car shuttle to the Middletown station (they drop you off at a nearby spot and you simple walk across the street and up a hill across the RR tracks). Have done it several times. Being the experienced well-traveled monger you are, you'd know best, but I wouldn't recommend walking from the border to the hotel even during the day, especially if carrying a bag (makes you a target as a tourist) and a good amount of cash. I'd be just as worried about being shaken down by the cops as I would about running into riff-raff. The HK limo is the best way to go if you're buying the VIP card.

Good stuff, @Greanbeans. @Garfield84, you're spot on with your heavy-hitters comment. This must have been like one of those Marvel movies where Superman, Batman, Spiderman and the Hulk get together. LOL!

Awesome report, PT. Great that fellow TUSCLers can hang in TJ and enjoy the good times together. I've had great times solo during my annual trips the past five years but I'd like to share the bar/dining experiences with others. Hoping to go in August. Will check in with fellow mongers on this board in the days leading up to the trip to see if they will be there at the same time.

Great stuff, @Don't think twice. Glad to see you're still going strong at 71. It's inspirational. The good thing about fichas is you can vet the gal. In my experiences, the real handsy ones, the ones that let you play with and such on their tits and rub your cock during the drink are great upstairs. I've had several cold fish fichas that I just sent on their way.

Thanks, Rod. DM me before you go and I can provide some more recommendations. Have seen five ladies on the current roster and plan to see a couple more next month.

Been there five times since 2017, alone every time and never an issue. All sound advice here. To summarize: --Keep a low profile in and out of the clubs. Don't be that asshole who stands out in a crowd and makes a spectacle of himself. --Drink by all means, but don't get shit-faced. --Act like you've been there before and know what you're doing and where you're going. Don't meander like you're lost. --Stick to the Zona Norte, where all the clubs are and don't wander off the beaten path. --Don't engage with anyone on the street. Just ignore all overtures (guys asking if you're looking for a girl, need a taxi, want drugs, whatever). --Don't carry too much money, distribute it between various pockets and your wallet and remember which pocket to access for which bills, so that you're not breaking out a wad of money all at once. --No need to dress like a bum, but don't over-dress, looking like you're rich, and avoid wearing jewelry. --Treat people you interact with with respect, especially the ladies. You probably have a greater chance of being shaken down by cops than by criminals.

"to be honest, downstairs fun is like 75% of the draw for me in TJ anyways. (for me, the shaving cream shows alone are almost worth the trip!)" 100 percent, EA! Love the shaving cream shows just for the unabashed public debauchery. I was like you my first few trips to HK. Went for the wild club atmosphere (stage shows, fichas, lap dances) and took ladies arriba with the understanding that I didn't want FS. On my translation app, I let them know I wanted to get naked with them, suck their titties, lick their pussies, have them give me a CBJ and then have them finish me by hand, with no FS. They all agreed. No discount. I paid the going rate and it was well worth it for me to do all those other things. On my last visit in August, I finally started doing FS. But truth be told, I really don't even need it to have a great time because I love giving and receiving oral and the groping and sensuality of being with women half my age.

PT, glad you got it back with no damage. Having to check in a $400 item with no receipt would be unsettling. Don’t know what to make of it other than maybe HK feeling the need to flex its muscles. Luke, the YouTube guy who posts a lot about TJ, said he was recently banned from HK for no apparent reason given, even though he’s always promoted the club in his videos. Sounds like pure idiocy on the part of whoever’s in charge and making the rules. Could be that he’s trying to compensate for having a 3-inch dick.

My first four times there I did some combination of Sunday through Thursday, wanting to avoid the weekend. Went on a Saturday for the first time in August, and of course, it's packed. A lot more competition for the top tier but also more talent. I enjoyed the more boisterous party atmosphere and stayed until past 5:30 a.m., the latest I've ever hung around, and it was still going strong when I left. But I also enjoy the more laid-back atmosphere (relatively speaking) you get from Sunday through Wednesday. For future trips -- my next one scheduled for February -- I'm getting the best of both worlds -- arriving on a Saturday and staying through Tuesday, for varied experiences. Since I travel far to get there (from the Midwest), I like to get in at least three days, but no more than four days.

Thanks, @Garfield84. Colombia has long been a fantasy destination for me due to the beautiful women and the seemingly exotic locale. But the risks likely will keep me away. Sounds like a place an American would be better off going with a wingman or two as opposed to alone. Couple that with the risk of having to quarantine there for however long if you test positive would make for a nerve-wracking trip. Glad it worked out for you, but your story also made me appreciate the comforts of TJ and Club Hong Kong even more.

@SanJoseGuy, there is much debauchery in the Miami Room, where most of the shaving cream shows happen, tucked away in the corner. It is an ideal place for the elusive back room makeout session (BRMOS). I learned after my first disastrous arriba four years ago (she was ridiculously restrictive, no kissing, no foreplay, no touching anywhere, just wanted me to stick my dick in her and finish). Now I communicate my desires before taking the gal up, so there is no misunderstanding. So you can't just let it happen in the room because it might not happen. Yes, you can approach gals with tip money, but before you feel them up you have to get their approval, either by asking them or sort of making hand gestures and then get a nod or smile in return. Can't just start groping them because some don't allow it or are selective about who can grope them. Same with kissing. In the stage shows, most only allow rubbing their pussies, not FIV. But if you ask, some will allow FIV. Some allow DATY on stage for $5. I don't do that, however, after getting caught in the moment and doing it a couple times a few years ago. Have never exchanged contact info. I go only once a year, so that wouldn't really do me any good. Plus, I'd rather not get too close to these ladies, since we're from different worlds. It's a business transaction, albeit more passionate that your typical business deal. I've been to only HK during my five trips to TJ.

@SanJoseGuy: During my most recent visit in August, I was interviewing and vetting several chicas for entry into the organization I am building. This was at HK in the back corner of the Miami Room late at night. Lots of DFKing and FIVing. The DATYing I saved for when we continued the interview process in my room at Cascadas. Two were wearing school girl uniforms, one with thigh-high white stockings. I am pleased to report all four ladies passed the test and are eager to engage in the FRMOS once we launch in 2022.

Don't know, but is being tipsy in TJ really a good idea?

@tbot, the aggressive finger-fucking for $5 was the first time I ever saw that or took part in that there. Might have been just an outlier with one gal. But it would be great it becomes a regular activity. @Redbaron12 Against my better judgement two years ago, I licked a couple of gals' pussies on stage for $5. They were spread-eagled on their backs, not in doggie. They were so hot and I got caught up in the moment. I wouldn't do it again. Girls get fingered, eaten out and masturbated with dildos, they also eat each other out, shove dildos into each other and grind on double-ended dildos, one end in each pussy. They pull guys onto stage and sit on their faces and reach into their pants to stroke their cocks. I'm wondering how long before they blow a guy on stage. I wonder if that's the next line that gets crossed.

That wasn't me. But I was talking to some guy who said he was from, I think, Anaheim, and he couldn't believe that he lived so close to this place but hadn't visited before. He was with a friend and they were having a good time sitting along the stage at the shave cream shows in the Miami room late at night. I wonder if it's the same guys. I think only one girl was allowing this aggressive type of fingering and I got the idea from watching another guy do it before me. They typically only allow you to feel the outer lips for a buck.

@Redbaron12, do not feel sorry for these gals. They are not being forced to do this. They realize they can make a tremendous amount of money, especially by Mexico's standards, by doing this. They are capitalizing on their assets (body, looks). Really no different than what strippers and escorts in the U.S. and Canada, for example, do. Sure, it's more out in the open, but most of them aren't even from TJ. Also, only a handful of the hundreds of gals that work at HK take part on those shaving cream shows. BTW, I wonder if that was me you watched aggressively finger-fucking the gal on stage (LOL!). It was in the Miami room, I think, on Monday, Aug. 16.

@Jascoi, you should check with Cascadas if they have monthly rates. LOL! Since this TJ trip, I've spent two long weekends (Friday-Sunday) in Toronto, a mongering paradise that's a 3-hour drive from my home. Had three great sessions at Allure (an erotic body rub parlor) and four appointments with escorts. I've never had this much sex-filled fun in a one-month span, between TJ and Toronto, in my life. Making up for a dreadful 18 sex-less months due to the pandemic.

@Jascoi is spot on with the tipping breakdown. This is how I do it: $1 for my drink ($4 + $1) $1 for ficha ($9 + $1) $2 for Zona shuttle (free + $2) $1 to fat bastard who puts robe on girl pre-arriba. $1 to service guy who brings fresh towels to room. $5 to front desk guy/gal (with huge knockers) who checks you in. $1 for each feel of titties/pussy during shaving cream show. $5 to masturbate girl in shaving cream show with dildo. $5 to aggressive finger-fuck girl in shaving cream show (only a few allow this, however). I have tipped $10 or $20 to gals who charged $80 if I had an exceptional time (which, fortunately, I have every single time except my first arriba four years ago). However, I don't tip if they charge $100. I think that covers it. @Redbaron12, not sure what you tip in the U.S., but consider this, a $1 tip for a $4 beer is 25 percent. And I typically have six or seven a night. That's a pretty good percentage for the masseros.

@SanJoseGuy: "The impression that I get from a few things people have posted, from a few words on the HK bar web site, and from the pictures of their furniture, is that this Miami VIP room is set up to allow anything, even FS, in that room, in front of an audience." SJG: From what I understand, the renovated Miami Room was initially intended to facilitate the Front Room Makeout Session. But it seems many mongers have taken it several steps further with FS.

@tbot1102 "The thing about the public debauchery is...being able to act publicly in a, dare I say, outrageous fashion that violates the norms of "decent behavior". One can throw caution to the wind in HK....which is a big part of the fun. What happens in Arriba ....must be happening in the privacy of hotel rooms/homes of other cities in Mexico/USA. I am for more liberal social mores ....and more debauchery where consenting adults wish to indulge in it." You nailed it, tbot. One of the great things about this place is being able to let loose with no fear of being kicked out or arrested (within reason and with consent of the girl, of course). Like you said, throw caution to the wind, live out a fantasy, it's happening all throughout the club. Like they say, "When in Rome ..." Back in the day when I frequented U.S. clubs, I'd see some hot dancers and dream of being able to approach them and grope and suck their titties and play with their pussies right there. Well, in HK, this happens around the clock.

@Putatester, if they ever build a mongering Hall of Fame in downtown TJ, you are easily a first-ballot Hall of Famer. Really appreciate your insights and stories and have learned much from them, as have many a TJ fan here, I'm sure.

@RedBaron12, glad you had fun. Ultimately, that's all that matters, despite the unexpected cost at the beach. Curious, what was the final damage at the beach? I would have probably been upset about having to spring for all that and not have alone time with the gal, but it also would have fun playing the role of "boyfriend" to a young hottie for a couple hours, kissing, hand-holding, lap-sitting.

This is absolute crap, a fucking disgrace and an insult to everyone who actually has been there and writes detailed and honest accounts of their trips, which are extremely informative and helpful to others. Why the fuck would anybody approve this shit? It couldn't be any more obvious that this is simply something this guy wrote while taking a dump in his stepmom's basement, solely to get 30-day VIP status.