Return to Michigan, Return to Strip Clubs?

Fay, ugly dudes have a chance with hot women. Granted your personality, humor, hygiene, and money game needs to be on point for that, but it does happen. Louis Anderson could probably pull as much ass as he wanted. You just need to change your fantasy. You aren't the stud with the big dick she is with, but the funny guy with the money. At least that is the lie I tell myself...😎😎

Apparently the lie I tell myself is that I'm smart enough to spell "Strip Clubs". Is there no "edit" feature to the articles?

leonard. good article sir. i myself was 61 when i seriously started clubbing after splitting from the ex. and 62 when i had my first experience in p4p sex. and 64 when i finally experienced tj. all in all a dang good ride. spent a LOT of money. made LOTS of mistakes of where to enjoy the ladies. (especially vegas…). man. I need more money. and good health. and maybe more time.

You ever get lonely let me know sweetheart. I'm real down to earth and have great reviews

Thanks Jascoi. I look back at my p4p time in Cali with mixed emotions. I mean, I certainly enjoyed the ride and there were some experiences that I have a hard time regretting. Just some unforgettable beauties that really knew their way around a Johnson. However, there were some experiences where I feel an intense amount of shame. And it really comes down to whether I felt the woman was a victim of trafficking or not. And, in my/our defense...we don't know that going in. At least, I didn't. If I did, I wouldn't involve myself in that situation. I want nothing to do with pimps, solicitors, traffickers, or the like. I think they are the scum of the Earth. They are everything that is wrong with the p4p industry yet they seem to "skirt" punishment much of the time.

The strip clubs were always the "better bets" because even though the house was getting a take of the action (sometimes too much of a take to be honest), you rarely found yourself in one of those pimp/trafficking situations like you did with escorts/massage parlors. Granted, you pay a premium at the SC. What costs you $100 to an escort or $175 at a massage parlor is going to run closer to $300 at the SC by the time you pay valet, cover, drinks, stage tipping, lap dances, waitresses, shooter girls, buying strippers drinks they don't actually drink, tipping the bouncer, paying the VIP fee, paying for a condom, paying for extras, and tipping for extras.

Leonard313 and Hustler313? Sounds a bit incestual. But, yeah. I'll definitely look ya up once I get my place unpacked.

Right now it still looks like a game of Tetris. I've unpacked the condoms, sex toys, and pornography...the essentials...but I still need to focus some effort on finishing my move before focusing on reinvigorating my strip club review game.

Leonard, Leonard, Leonard - Let's talk... ;)

First - Thanks for sharing your vulnerability. Many TUSCLers share similar qualities. I will say, aside from a lucky few PLs who figure out SCs/AMPs/Escorts early, many come to it later in life - after experiencing soul-crushing marriages/LTRs, cataclysmic breakups, etc., ad nauseum. Welcome to a very large club.

Your rationalization re pimps/trafficking/payment-for-services is normal and healthy. You're not trying to hurt or cheat anyone, and your conscience is intact. You ARE however, struggling from confused/conflicted values/beliefs that I think once resolved, will set you right.

To your points...

1. Transactional sadness - Yes, "you" (as in, sense-of-self) don't really exist in transactional relationships - anywhere. Providers of all types (Dental hygienists, hair cutters, car mechanics, etc.) can't and don't normally "see" you as a unique and valued person who deserves their attentional value, irrespective of the transactional circumstances. The minute your money stops, their attention stops. However, that does NOT mean they dislike your company, wish you were dead, or would rather eat broken glass than be serving/servicing you. You're "real" in the sense they're choosing to be with you in that time and space, for the consideration of your payment. But ONLY if you're the kind of customer they want to serve. Your "real" self does come into play here. Be rude, arrogant, slovenly, etc., and they reserve the right to not serve you. It takes two to tango, and their providing a service as arranged is a tip-of-the-hat to who you are. It's real, authentic, and worthy of your time/money.

2. The whole god/morality thing - You're laboring under an assumption that a god (if one even exists) has established some kind of behavioral gold standard, and that churches can be the arbiter of meaning/values. I question those assumptions. In fact, I'd err on the other side and suggest that religion, traditions, and some form of omni-powerful god are key sources of man's suffering. In reality, you are an independent agent, as are the girls you're seeing - in every context. Morals are agreed upon and shared in society to keep the wheels turning. But they're fungible and imbued only with meaning we give them. If two people share a value set (paying money for physical and quasi-emotional attention), then we have a win/win. No shame, no harm, and no smote from above.

3. Your physical self - In the context of #2 above, if a girl chooses to see you, then she's decided you're "worth it," because she's already taken into account your physical presence. Of course, anyone would likely rather be with a good-looking, healthy person, all things being equal. But her decision in that moment, is not all things equal. It's a unique confluence of factors - the totality of you (physical and interpersonal) mixed with her own motivations/circumstances that drive the decision. That's not to say you shouldn't improve your physical self for a variety of reasons, one of which is more girls may opt to be with you, or at least find their time with you more agreeable - both good things.

So yes, check out the Michigan clubs you missed earlier. You're in a great (and enviable, for some) position to expand your horizons and satisfy your curiosity. Nothing's set in stone. At some later point, you may decide the cost/payoff is no longer worth it, and perhaps swing back toward more conventional relationships. It is (and always has been) your choice.

Good luck, man!

@Leonard313, let's see if we've got this straight: There's a god that "frowns upon" men paying to watch naked women dance? How does this god feel about fat orange pieces of shit that have raped at least 24 women, brag about wanting to grab others by the pussy and lust after their daughter?

@Rod Interesting takes.

@Orange I'm don't think I'm allowed to speak for God. However, I'm "pretty sure" His stances on obesity, rape, bragging, lust, and incest are well publicized. A little confused how that fits into the conversation...but I may have missed something.

@Rod8432 nailed it. @Leonard313, sounds like part of your is struggling with guilt issues. not due to infidelity but religion. I got in the game five years ago after being in a dark place for a few years following a bad breakup and I haven't had one ounce of regret and never will. Wish I would have started sooner because it's been a game-changer. I'm happier, healthier, more motivated. Sure, I occasionally miss the emotional connection that comes from a conventional relationship, but I don't miss the drama and baggage. Maybe one day I'll find someone and quit the hobby. Until then, I'm going to keep sexing up beautiful young women and feel any guilt whatsoever for enjoying one of life's greatest pleasures.

The religious aspect, I can sympathize with pretty well. I was raised Mormon, of all things. Disconnecting from that and every idea I'd been taught about sexuality and sex was hard. It still bugs me, sometimes. I understand that wanting you can feel to believe in something more...I have just chosen to believe that people's ideas about sex have little to do with any God that might exist. There's a lot of religion that you can see humanity's hand in, in a bad way.

Anyway, sorry for the tangent. Hope you're able to have fun and disconnect from your guilt. No sense in punishing yourself for desires that don't hurt anyone.

@DayB

I "hope" they don't hurt anyone. I've been in a couple situations where I left wondering if it was a situation where the other party was a victim more so than a willing participant. Those encounters haunt me. I never sought them out, and they were rare (as far as I knew)...but back in the Backpage era...it was an occurrence from time to time...just a "feeling" you had that something wasn't right. Those are the ones I feel the "guilt" about. And those don't occur in strip clubs (at least I've never encountered that situation in a strip club). The other ones are just transactions. I'm paying for a service that is being offered. And the only "guilt" there is religious doctrine (as you're familiar with) and whether I'm putting money to good use that I could use for a better purpose.

I think guilt is natural and it's part of the game for both the dancers and the customers. It's something we all deal with and get past in order to pursue these interests. Sometimes it's healthy just to acknowledge that it's there...even if there's no good solution to it.

Michigan strip clubs bring back some memories. I was there for a very short time in my early 20s and the landing strip to this day is one of the best clubs I have been to. That was over 20 years ago. I was broke then and could not afford much action but I was young so I did not really need to pay for it. Pre iPhone days and social media when girls were not constantly bombarded by thirsty men in til Tom or Instagram making their head to big for their own good.