Comments by Call.Me.Ishmael

It's amusing that anyone here believes that the OP's posts express sincere beliefs.

No problem with it. Doesn’t affect me at all.

If she didn't reply, then she probably doesn't want to share that information. Which probably means she wouldn't want guys here to share that information. So maybe go have fun with dancers that you can find in the clubs sans the low-grade stalker energy.

If paying for dances by the song, then classical.

Users here tend to appreciate it if shiny new guys contribute a few things to TUSCL (reviews, articles, etc.) before anyone starts giving up intel on extras, etc.

Strip club culture is definitely changing, but that happens with everything. Dancers have more platforms to take advantage of and incorporate into their club work. It is true, though, that the smarter, harder working dancers can replace strip club work with other forms of revenue. I like dancers with tattoos and piercings (though some more than others depending on aesthetic choices). I also like customers who hate tattoos and piercings, because they facilitate my fun in the club. That said, I've watched many dancers with tattoos and piercings not remotely struggle to coax guys (older and younger) into lap dances and VIPs. So, in many cases I suspect that what people post about doing in the club doesn't quite match with what they actually do in the club.

It usually has more to do with how long they've had the job and how much OTC & ITC is happening around them. A dancer that has been working for 3 months is generally more reluctant than a dancer that has been on the job for 3 years. This is especially true if they work around other dancers who offer wider menus.

Yeah... this isn't really "news" considering it's Electric Blue.

This has been talked about before. See the following. https://www.google.com/search?q=tuscl+pants&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS899US899&oq=tuscl+pants

Folks here tend to share less with guys who show up with shiny new profiles and immediately ask for dancer intel. Maybe post a few reviews and participate a bit before expecting others to give up the goods.

I'd like to have more dancers participating here, but the reality is that what is fun for customers is work for dancers. So, the only practical reason for a dancer to visit TUSCL is if it benefits her work. Having the VIP access to look at reviews and research clubs as workplaces provided that benefit and caused some dancers to interact with customers and review comments to some degree. That's not a bad result.

If they took it to PMs, then they wouldn't have the most important thing. An audience.

If you've never been to a club before, then maybe don't ask for a menu at all. Maybe just hang out, tip at the rail, buy a couple of lapdances, and focus on having fun without getting ripped off. But if you insist, then just ask the dancer for what you want before going to a dance area. If she doesn't offer that, she'll tell you. Then you can decide to get less than what you want or move on. If she does offer what you want, then it's a negotiation on price.

I remember telling Cashman1234 that he and I have no problem hanging out together in the same club because we'd each go after very different dancers. So, not stepping on each other's toes. I think that there might be slivers of truth in that premise. Guys can be very competitive when they both want the same thing. And when a woman is at the center of that competition, it can end badly.

I sorta wish I'd seen that back then. Though I wouldn't have gotten a Polaroid. Not that age is kind to anyone, but she's a wreck now. I suspect that her high-velocity life factored in as well.

Tell me you don't want to be taken seriously without telling me that you don't want to be taken seriously.

"No thanks." Or "I'm not interested right now and I don't want to waste your time."

First... #bait Second... there's a Politics forum.

I have no idea why you post these things. But you're climbing the that creepy ladder faster every time you do.

It's something I can't control, so I don't worry or contemplate about it very much.

Unilad / Ladbible is well known for approaching creators on OF, TikTok, and YouTube with "repost" contracts that allow them to share creator content while providing "exposure" as payment. That content sharing usually entails coming up with an entirely fabricated "article" about the creator. Depending on the contract they sign, the creators often have little or no input to the article. Fun fact... New York Post does this as well. So, stuff like this is never true. It's pure click bait.

Don't connect dancers by name to extras or OTC (or invite others to do so), even if it's a club where "everyone knows" (which might be true for the club, but not for individual dancers). TUSCLers with access to these reviews can include club managers, staff, and other dancers, who can use that information against a dancer. It's also not impossible for local reporters to access these reviews to find incriminating quotes for their expose piece.

#bait & #baited

Strip clubs are social places, so you should expect to be social there. If you don't want that then get an escort. Or you could go to an AMP; that's the vending machine of sex work. I'm not saying that you have to have a full Oxford debate with a stripper, but doing some chat is a low price to pay. Also, while a great conversation doesn't guarantee a great dance, there are some bad interactions that have made my Spidey sense tingle and saved me money.

Yeah, I'm just thankful there's no such thing as customers aggressively deluding themselves about what they do in strip clubs. Phew... Thank God we all collectively dodged that bullet!

Every time I go to the club, I see dancers that aren't attractive to me. My strategy is to not buy dances from them.

Not much of a change that I can see. I've seen some dancers doing both. I've also seen more dancers trying to move club customers over to a sugar-style relationship, but I'm not seeing an exodus.

That movie absolutely bombed at the box office, but I still liked it (even though I like the Alan Moore source material a lot more). As graphic novels go, "Watchmen" wouldn't be anyone's top choice for "easy adaptation to screen".

This might help you. https://tuscl.net/article/58991

You know that desertscrub's profile was completely deleted, right?

There's probably no one on this website who has come into a bit of money and blew it all in strip club VIPs. Yep, impulse spending... strictly a stripper thing.

You can also only thumbs-up a discussion thread. So, it appears that only "liking" top level posts is available, be it a discussion thread, gallery photo, or review.

[shrug] If it's good ink on a good chest, it's not going to turn me off. Likely the opposite.

If the tattoos are well done, I think they're very sexy. I appreciate every single guy who can't get over tattoos on hot women. Also, there's a bit of a TUSCL echo chamber on this topic. Because I see plenty of tattooed dancers selling dances and VIPs. And there's plenty of guys who either like them or don't care (at least for 15 minutes...).

I don't go to strip clubs for meals, and the meals they serve prove that I'm in the majority. Pass.

I don't have anything you can't recover from.

Casual clothes that aren't scratchy or rough. I don't look like someone who has specific strip club clothes.

Also, it appears that her death is being investigated as a possible "home invasion homicide".

First Question on the "Before I post this" Decision Tree: 1. Does my post suggest that it's okay for an adult to fuck a minor? YES: Then do not post. NO: Go to question 2 (whatever that might be...if anything). Because suggesting that it's okay for an adult to fuck a minor isn't a good look anywhere. In particular, it's not a good look on a sex industry-orientated website where many users already talk pretty plainly about buying sex from (usually) younger women.

You can choose to not donate to anyone regardless of the fundraising being online or offline without performatively declaring your outrage. Yes, there are some outrageous or inappropriate (in my opinion) gofundme campaigns that I don't donate to. But for every one of those there are many that are worthwhile, at least to the niche audiences or close friends/family targeted by those campaigns. I'm not going to contribute to Sophia Leone's funeral expenses. That would be weird. But I suspect that her friends, family, and some industry peers will (which is the actual point). Because very few people at that age pay for life insurance. That's not a new thing, nor is it limited to adult industry workers.

"I'm not willing to donate due to someone's failure to plan ahead." Then all you have to do is not donate. It's not like someone specifically asked you. It's just in the news story.

"And I'm starting to trust these polls a tad more now that they have reflected how Trump would do in Primaries." If confirmation bias is why you're deciding that polls have suddenly become more trustworthy, that's not great.

"Does anyone really care what he has to say after having experienced the past three years of his administration?" Well... apparently you care enough to create a thread about not caring.

The vote was over whether or not he adds value to TUSCL. I'm pretty sure that has been decided not in his favor by a wide margin.

lol

Unless I'm mistaken, founder has said in the past that the most valuable content on this site is reviews, with discussions and comments being very low on that totem pole. So, for the user who insists on actively discouraging participation (including from dancers) then only allow them to post reviews and articles. No commenting or discussion board posting. That way they can only post content that adds value. Or... just ban him and be done with it.

Value? Listen guys, we can't do anything to piss him off until we learn how to get FS from a hot dancer for "10$" by not "pedestalizing" them. https://tuscl.net/review/408511 His methods must be legit, because (according to the same review) he has the offline support of many TUSCL PLs via DM, which has been rock solid sign of authenticity since the late 1990s. https://fanlore.org/wiki/The_Lurkers_Support_Me_in_Email Or... he's a twat.

Will this vote result in anything one way or the other?

Everyone has their pet peeves. Some make more sense than others. I can actually see this not being a rare thing with dancers. Of course, customers wouldn't hear about this very often.

^ Yep, this is correct.

If it's a dancer that I know *really* well and I'm confident she'll take it in stride, I will say something very cautiously and respectfully. Otherwise, I'll part company with that dancer at the first opportunity.

It's not my thing, but I don't care if it's someone else's thing as long as they're not creating a surprise wet spot for the dancer.

"I feel like I never see stripper lovers posts" He never makes original posts. For a good long while he was frequently bumping ancient threads with title-case garbage posts. He also kept serially posting long bot-like lists of stripper names and stripper music to certain threads. Again, all title case with emojis. He does know how to write like a regular human based on his single 2009 club review. https://tuscl.net/review/77696

^ If that's the case then upload the image to: https://imgur.com/ And post the link here.

Salma Hayek.

^ Ninja'd by founder and Shailyn. The all title case posts are just another layer of weird.

^ I think that founder's post above and the number of 'likes' it got reflects how your posting habits are perceived. Also, the fact that most here initially think you're a bot isn't flattery. So maybe give it a rest or back off a bit.

Weird. I can screen cap.

To Muddy's point, there are dancers who post images who aren't what I'm attracted to, but I don't feel the need to point that out to them. It seems randomly shitty and petty. It also reminds me that there are guys who like to go to strip clubs and then there are guys who *need* to go to strip clubs.

The Member Photos gallery seems to be entirely for three TUSCL users, which isn't all that surprising. I've not looked in there for a really long time, and it'll probably be a really long time before I look in there again. That said, SL777 using TUSCL as if it's his vanilla-life Instagram is a weird choice, but tracks considering usage habits.

If you've seen a few samples of ChatGPT prose, then it starts to jump out at you. In general, AI produces text that sounds like a marketing brochure written by committee. It's also very G-rated. I've seen some reviews that were AI generated where the guy attempted to rewrite a few bits to get it through. That's sometimes more obvious because the writing goes from 'blandly perfect' to 'head injury' and back. There are also websites out there where you copy and paste the text and it will analyze it for AI generation. They're used by teachers a lot.

Some guys like to talk to the dancers for a little or long while even though they're not looking for a girlfriend or falling in love. Strip clubs are social places. So, you shouldn't be surprised that some guys want to be social *and* get dances. What you can do if that happens is go find another dancer.

Did the "Toronto Sun" make both of those claims (and via the same writer)? Because if they didn't, then it's not a contradiction. It's you asking different writers at different media outlets to all publish the same analysis and opinions on a topic with no actual collaboration. Which isn't a thing that has been possible ever, regardless of it being conservatives or liberals doing the publishing.

Both. Depends on the dancer and my mood.

How often does this happen to you? For me, it has come up a handful of times at most over many years. I think that part of it is that most dancers know that the customer they're with in the moment wants to be the center of their attention, and not other customers. The other part is that the moment a dancer starts talking about that sort of thing, I tell them I'm not interested in club drama or workplace chatter.

Unless you know a manager well, they usually won't share if a dancer is still working there. I've heard guys ask bartenders, bouncers, and managers and it's usually some version of "No idea". If you're a solid regular, you might get something. Caddie frequently reposts dancer reels to their Instagram stories. That's sometimes useful.

It's possible that at least one of the Caddie regulars on this board already know what she's up to, but they're keeping quiet for the reasons I noted earlier. I get it. I've lost track of dancers I wish I hadn't. The good news is that clubs have other dancers. Find another good dancer and if she's willing to stay in touch via burner. Don't ask club staff where she is. It's a near certainty that they won't say peep about a dancer's whereabouts. Best to move on. Good luck.

So, connecting dancers by name to extras is not encouraged here. It can jam up the dancer in a number of ways. There's plenty of threads on this topic. Also, it's impossible for us to know if you're a stalker or someone that Summer doesn't want to know what she's doing now. So, we make our errors on the side of dancer safety. If you want to keep track of your favorite dancers, then ask for their burner number or something similar.

I neither gossip about or obsess over dancers. Club drama is dumb. The whole point of a strip club is disposable sexy fun that I can leave behind when I've left the club. I don't care what I dancer does after we part ways. But middle-aged dudes nattering like hens over a female pop singer (they most likely don't listen to...) is a weird look.

Hank Moody said "If a fertilized egg is a person, what about jizz?" I'm just going to leave this here: https://youtu.be/fUspLVStPbk?si=QugR3s7bmb5I5TdE

Regardless of the validity of the study, I usually read these things and then think "Well... I've got what I've got and this doesn't change that." But if someone ever comes up with a safe, viable, and realistic(ish) penis enlargement procedure, that person is going wind up living in a solid-gold mansion.

I have no direct input here. But one wonders if sites like this could become an Alamo / fallback if there's a crackdown on sugar dating sites.

Middle-aged men gossiping/obsessing about female pop star is a weird look.

I accept porn as a vicarious form of adult entertainment. Also, it's convenient and not expensive. If I'm driving to a strip club, then I want a blowjob (sans audience). I don't want to spectate one. I don't drive to an amusement park and pay admission to watch other people on the rides. If I'm going there, I want to be on the ride.

I wouldn't be in the background, because I wouldn't hang out to watch some random guy get blowjobs.

It occurred to me that I did fuck a porn star, but it was before she went into porn. I mean, that's one way to save money if you have a crystal ball handy. For me, it was pure chance.

There are porn actresses who identify as lesbian and are only turned on by (or attracted to) women, but do scenes with male actors because $$$. But they make it clear that, except for work, they have have nothing to do with guys romantically or or sexually. I imagine the same dynamic exists for dancers. I also imagine that it's none of my business.

Not me. I'll assume it was a madhouse.

Depends on the porn star, I guess, but probably not. The prices charged by even the lesser porn "stars" are pretty often off the charts. But, you know... never say never...

There's a Political Discourse forum for these threads.

It has become more mainstream than it used to be, but the stigma is far from gone. The number of dancers that are online and showing their faces is a fraction of the total number of dancers in the clubs. And if you look at the stripper-focused reddit subs there's still regular questions about ways to protect their privacy and identity, and plenty of dancers providing solutions and recommendations.

"Call me crazy but I'd happily pay just as much if not more for a striptease than I would a lap dance." This man does not have a profile here, most likely. But, while it might not work for the average TUSCL denizen, it could scratch an itch for others. There's guys out there who don't need or want mileage for whatever reason and there's dancers who want zero contact. It could work for others, but not for me.

First, I'd go to Google to find out if any of those clubs are still open. Or if other clubs have opened that aren't listed here.

Because Salma Hayek, Elizabeth Hurley, and dancers who work to not let time time and gravity take its toll are hot. Also, they're more relatable and I spend less time explaining my pop culture references. And in a club setting I've found that many MILFs are more straightforward and easier to deal with. Beyond that, I don't understand why some guys are turned on by feet. But tastes, kinks, and fetishes are all subjective, so I don't really need to understand it.

I'm just now seeing a little '+' symbol next to my avatar after I make a post. When I press it, I get the option to open my phone camera, video camera, or access my phone files. That's as far as I got before I decided it would be smart to ask questions. So, what's up with that?

Depending on where you are, all of her pics online are from when she's underage, because she's 17. I've never been one to skate along the hairy edge of statutory rape in the club or anywhere else. She's got a beautiful face. I'll give a rating when she grows into the body of an adult woman.

Occasionally, and usually by dancers I know well. I had one dancer comment to me that she prefers to be asked, because if she asks then it's not unusual for the customer to think (A) she's desperate for cash and he can get bargain basement prices or (B) she's desperate for the customer's dick (as opposed to cash) and that leads to complexity and drama.

^ That might be because it's a decade old post.

MH said "What’s the old saying about statistics?" Whatever it is, it seems to be quickly forgotten the moment someone sees a statistic that supports their bias confirmation. It's interesting. A famous guy burns through a string of famous girlfriends and he's a stud sewing his oats. But famous woman burns through a string of famous boyfriends and she's a virgin ice queen who can't hold onto a man ... or the "new world order's" globalist prop. I think she's a spectacularly wealthy and influential lady who can do whatever she wants and not give a shit. Good for her.

My theory is that middle aged men gossiping about female pop stars is a weird look.

#bait

From what I've read, it's higher risk for the guy than getting an uncovered BJ. As compared to uncovered FS, it is roughly the same level of risk. Some sources claim that it's marginally lower risk than FS. But pretty much every source notes that collecting the data and extrapolating levels of risk is a wildly moving target. Obviously, those risk levels decrease significantly via condoms and dental dams, but dental dams pretty much destroy the fun of going down on a woman (more so than condoms, in my opinion). Ultimately, if your definition of 'safe' is never getting an STD, then it's obviously not safe. It's unprotected sex. After that, it comes down to your own personal risk tolerance. I'll also note that "unscrupulously high standards" also becomes an extremely elastic measure the moment you go down on a sex worker in a glorified broom closet (or a motel room after her shift). In the sugar world, it's not uncommon for one or both partners to insist on seeing a recent STD test panel. While that's not an ironclad guarantee, it is the closest you'll get to an objective standard that has some significance. But if "high standards" means some superficial observations along with anything the dancer tells you, then I think you're mostly convincing yourself that you're safer. I'll note that this is a gamble that I have occasionally taken, but I've never tried to tell myself that it's not a gamble.

There's a Politics forum.

If Covid had never happened then they wouldn't have changed the website from the first day it launched.

For some, their adblocker or some other browser plug-in messes it up. Try messaging founder.

^ Currently, you can't. That feature isn't turned back on yet.

desertscrub's entire profile has been deleted from TUSCL. You can probably remove the boilerplate about him.

Seventh Veil, West Hollywood. 1950s. Body Shop, West Hollywood, is also 1950s, but COVID might have closed it for good.

While there's two sides to every story, after three similar lawsuits it seems like the club is begging for trouble.

For (nearly) every famous hot woman you can Google at least one unflattering image. It's not like anyone here goes to a strip club where all the dancers look/dress exactly as they do on a Saturday morning.

Wanting to have fun.

Glad that you're retiring on your terms and not in any other way. Also, wallanon is a lucky bastard.

Just introduce yourself. Dancers make more money when they don't reject guys who want to talk to them. That said, I love customers who aren't willing to approach hot dancers, because I am.

Cashman1234 was in my "class" of TUSCL freshmen. His strip club stories were equal parts entertaining and cautionary tales. I wouldn't mind if he came back. Funny guy. Two dancers that no longer post but I wish they did were bj99 and wiffle waffle.

I'm closer to 10 years than 20. I don't miss desertscrub.

You might get an answer here, but this is one of rare instances where calling the club will probably yield the best information.

It's hard to get very far with "body shaming" accusations in a building where the entire unforgiving business model is objectifying women based on their appearance. While I try to not be a dick to dancers, I also think that they need to have a certain skin thickness to work the job.

Daily Mail is mostly a tabloid and most of the stories they run are click bait. So, most of this story is likely horseshit.

That's highly subjective. Especially since this discussion could be very different within a group of dancers. I would say that all of those things can overlap and it doesn't make a lot of sense to get overly granular with definitions. Some lines can be drawn. A dancer who does no extras or OTC is just a dancer and not an escort or sex worker (though I've seen it argued that all dancers are sex workers by default). Meanwhile, an escort who never works in a strip club is obviously not a stripper. And then there's the whole sugar baby thing. But really it's all hairsplitting. As long as I'm having fun and she's getting paid, I don't care.

Rare books. It's not a huge collection, but I've got a handful of good ones.

The review guidelines do caution against linking explicit behavior directly to dancers by name. And that "Too explicit" is listed as a reason to reject a review indicates that it's valid to reject these reviews. That said, now that it's out there, there's not much to do about it. You can post a comment to the review noting that linking dancers by name to extras is widely discouraged here. You can also message founder, but there's only a small chance he'll pull it down or allow a rewrite.

This might shock you, but pricing in the club isn't always equitable or fair. A dancer will quote whatever price she wants or thinks she can get. And she gets to do that. It's negotiating, not cheating. It's also possible that the difference in price has something to do with including the cost of a VIP room in the club, erc., versus hosting guys in her home as an escort. I'll also gently point out that sometimes dancers will give the "I really don't want to fuck you" price when they're face-to-face with some customers (or they're just not in the mood). In any case, don't mention you seeing the escort ad or texting with her. It's going to make you sound like kind of a bitch and a stalker at the same time. Instead, just make a counter offer. Or, find another dancer.

You're going to get a wildly diverse set of opinions because everyone has their own calculus for risk versus fun. I would suggest that if you're looking for reliable information about transmissibility, etc., then look at places other than here. A lot of guys here have a view on disease transmission that ranges from rose-colored to opaque. If you're married or have a significant other, then wear a condom for everything. There's no anniversary where the gift is STD themed. I use a condom for everything, though I've made judgment errors in the past (that had no consequences, thankfully). If you're going to give extras a try, then maybe lean towards being conservative to start. At least until you sort out your tolerance for risk.

New Years resolutions are a chump's game.

The number of guys here who are responding in earnest to the dozens of aging spam-bumped threads via StripperLover777 would seem to indicate that blah is on to something.

If I ever start actively seeking out information about a dancer's personal dramas, then it's time for me to find another expensive hobby.

Hedonic treadmill is a real thing.

You could also try messaging founder.

This is probably a question that you could ask founder via PM and get an answer. The latest revision is still being rolled out. Advanced searches, if they happen at all, will likely be a while.

^ If you have an expensive, cash-centric hobby or activity (like poker), then it's easy to hide large cash withdrawals. There are many ways to bleach cash withdrawals. It might be true that most wives would not take a deep dive into crypto currency records, but a divorce attorney would. Anyway, I don't think cash is going away anytime soon.

^ Those two things aren't mutually exclusive.

I've noticed this. My only theory is that a lot of bars have security cameras now (since they're a lot cheaper than they used to be). For those to work effectively, you need more lighting.

^ You know who knows for sure?... The guy who posted that. Ask that guy.

"so if someone offers a VHM vs a UHM dance what is the difference?" There probably isn't any except perhaps in the mind of the person using it ... because slang. I've seen guys here use NMT in reviews, as in "Bambi tried to sell me on VIP, but she's NMT. I didn't go for it."

You know, if you guys were literally feeding this troll he'd make Dom Deluise look like a ballerina.

VHM = very high mileage UHM = ultra high mileage NMT = not my type Then again, in slang settings it could be other things. Hard to tell.

"Am I missing something?" You're missing that founder removed the free review viewing allotment about a year ago. To get VIP, you need to publish a review or article, or pay $10.

Here's the problem with most of the information listed on a club's profile page... it's never updated. We do have the ability to update that information, but it almost never happens. So, if the info you're requesting is added, it will be obsolete the moment the club changes something and it'll stay that way for years. Most guys write and post reviews and that's it. So, if you want that information then post a discussion to that club's profile and ask. With some luck the locals will let you know.

I am shocked, shocked to hear that a strip club treated both its customers and staff with callous disregard. For the record, I'm on board with what you're saying. But the club's handling of this situation surprises me as much as jumping into the ocean and then getting wet.

So, this is a place where someone will create a thread that starts with "I have a question for dancers..." and the first 20 comments are from dudes. If you think that anyone is going to self-censor themselves out of a discussion because it's about a club they never go to, then you're not reading the room.

All you can do is message founder with your request and hope for the best. After that, enter a comment noting the mistakes or indicators that it's fake. If it's your own review, then write and reread it using a text editor on your phone before you copy-and-paste it into the review text field. I actually started that after I lost a couple of reviews because TUSCL threw a rod after I hit the "Submit" button. Very frustrating. But it also makes it easier to catch mistakes.

If you use the "Discussions" link in the menu, all of the discussions that you can access (front room, individual clubs, politics, TJ,) are displayed in a single feed. Other restricted forums (dressing room, VIP, etc.) only display in that feed if you've qualified for access. So, users regularly comment on discussions from clubs they never visit because it's all in that feed. Whether or not it should be or you like it is another topic. I used to be a guy who named a lot of names, but I'm not on board with that anymore. It's partly because of the YMMV factor (especially when you're a known regular), but also because naming names can really wrap a dancer around an axle (sometimes even when extras are not associated with the name). Balancing that against the utility of using names, I choose to err on the side of caution in favor of the dancer's quality of life at work. I actually like the dancers I see. I'm not in "love" or "catching feelings", but I want them to keep dancing for as long as we're both benefiting. So, I don't want to coax potentially bad customers towards them. I also believe that it's possible to write a good review without treating listing dancers like dishes on a Chinese takeout menu. But that's my 2 cents. If guys want to use names, that's still allowed here and I'm not going to give anyone grief over it. That is until you start connecting dancers by name to extras. Like a lot of guys here, I have strong and not favorable opinions about that practice.

I've seen a dancer change her name just because she felt like it. I've seen a dancer change her name because another dancer chose a name very similar to hers (and she wasn't in the mood for drama). I've seen a dancer change her name because she was trying to break into porn and wanted to "rebrand" herself. She didn't break into porn, and changed her name back. I've also seen a dancer change her name because she got called out by that name in a couple of very explicit posts / reviews and suddenly all the customers started asking for what they'd read about (including the price). And I've also seen a dancer change her name because she got called out enough for scamming guys that it affected her income. So, it's not that weird.

I think her tattoos are great.

^ No.

So, HHP is a troll, specifically a "cacaplop" sock puppet via Stripclublist, who occasionally posts stuff like this to stir shit. But if you don't believe that or don't care, then hakuna matata. But keep in the back of your mind that some or none of this is true. With new (to me) dancers, I've frequently paid the base fee of $100 up front. It's not unusual and not a big ask. And it doesn't ruin the mood for me because the mood is that I'm taking a stripper into a large closet that would probably look like a Jackson Pollock painting under black light. That's never going to be a "GFE" setting. Regarding everything else, it's been said here often enough that a guy needs to talk to a dancer about what he wants *before* buying dances. At this point it's common sense for anyone who has been on this forum for more than a minute. I'll also note that HHP (or variants) has had some negative fixations on dancers that other guys like a lot. So, keep that in mind as well. I'll admit that I've never spent time with Venus, but if I wanted to this post wouldn't figure prominently in my decision making.

^ This.

Most clubs will either refuse to answer, honestly not know the answer (the person picking up the phone usually isn't the manager), or lie and say 'Yes' to whatever dancer you ask about (because they want you to get there and spend money). The most reliable way to see if a dancer is working is with Instagram. Some dancers post when they're working, tag the club and the club reposts. Actually, the most reliable way to see if a dancer is working is to get her burner number.

^ Ninja'd by samiel.

^ You ask for exactly what you want. You also ask what her limits are (so you're not surprised during OTC) . Then you talk money. After that, you explain that if she doesn't provide what's been negotiated, then she doesn't get paid. And you try to keep all of that as casual as possible. If she's still on board, then it's a gamble (as it always is) as to whether or not it works out. The variable is how much you're gambling. If it's a dancer you've known for a while and has been a straight shooter overall, then there's a greater chance it'll work out. If it's your first time in a club, and the first time with that dancer, plus no extras have happened, then make sure you bring a good book to the hotel because there's at least a 50% chance she'll ghost you completely. The only caveat is that, once you've done this a few times, you develop a sense as to whether or not she's going to follow through. I've pulled a "You know what? Never mind." on a few occasions when my Spidey sense was going off a bit too much. Then again, the negotiations have also been as simple as: "Hey, what're you doing after your shift?" "Being under you." "Okey dokey." It's highly situational and there's no real formula.

Same. I have no idea what kind of creepshow lunatic is on the other side of that PM. And, yeah, I know that she might still encounter that guy by chance, but I'm going to be responsible for turning a gamble into a guarantee.

Announcing that you're leaving TUSCL or quitting strip clubs guarantees that you're doing neither of those things. -- Skibum's Law

If I think a dancer is trying to run some sort of hustle / scam on me, I get get rid of her ASAP. I go to a strip club club to have fun with dancers ultimately in the form of physical contact of the sexy fun time variety. If I waste the time of someone who won't give me what I want, then I'm also wasting my time. Selfishly, I think my time is more valuable than anyone else's in the club. I suspect I'm not the only one who thinks this. So, "getting one over" on the dancer from my point of view seems a lot more like collateral damage that the PL inflicts on himself. I'll also point out that if you're a regular in a regulars club, then "getting one over" on dancers is a great way to put yourself in the market for a different club.

Not my type, but I see the appeal. I mean, I wouldn't throw her out of bed for eating crackers... errr... kale. I usually much prefer these fitness models when they're between competitions and they aren't taking tons of diuretics to achieve that '2% body fat' look.

No. And no desire to try.

Several years ago, my family ditched the traditional dishes for most of the holidays in favor of foods we enjoy more and are easier to prepare. This allows more of the family to spend time together and not banish a few to the kitchen to do all the prep and cooking. In the case of Thanksgiving, we're also on board with eating at a nice restaurant and leting others do all the cooking and cleaning. It's not for everyone, but it works for us. So, I had an amazing seafood paella. No regrets.

To answer the original question, depending on who you're talking to and the forum, amongst dancers the term "hustle" can fluidly refer to anything ranging from just working a lot and hard to manipulating customers into paying more to ripping them off. Though exactly what happened between you and those dancers remains murky, I'd say you did get scammed. At the same time, you made yourself ridiculously easy to scam. I mean, you sort of served yourself up on a platter. And that's not right, but it's part of the equation when you walk into a place where many not-right things can potentially occur (and, in fairness, to dancers as well as customers). So, I don't blame you for being unhappy, but I think the degree to which you can complain and generate sympathy is limited. As you said earlier... lesson learned.

When and how did going back to the hotel with you fall apart?

Were you paying for the "after party" before even leaving the club? Why did you not bring them back to your hotel? You just state that it didn't happen, and not why it didn't happen.

^ Or... pay $10.

Partisan tantrums as children's theater is adorable.

You know, most would assume that a site like this is the obvious place where fans of actual adult porn outnumber the fans of outrage porn. But, with posts like this, it's looking more and more like that's not the case.

*"with you", rather.

Thanksgiving dinner for you at the table must be a laugh a minute...

"6. Desire, Providence. (This extras-friendly establishments gets regular rave reviews from a rapid fan base.)" Rapid might be an overstatement. We're all getting older...

"Btw, when you talk about other partners that need to be warned, do you warn your Saturday sex worker about the one you had Friday?" Depends. Are you married to and raising a family with your Saturday sex worker? And is your Saturday sex worker under the impression that you're in a faithful monogamous relationship with her? Because those are the factors that turns any comparison between a wife/life partner and sex worker into an apple vs. orange comparison.

Most of the legit health sites don't give percentage chances because they know that the number of variables is too great, and the data collection is difficult to obtain with reliable accuracy. They only note that the chances are much higher if you don't wear a condom. The only sites I've seen that give percentages are places like the online STD testing services, and they're doing it because they want more customers. But I'd agree that you also don't want to go by anything you read here (or other sites like this), because the vast majority of guys here view STD risks through glasses that range from rose-colored to opaque. So, if you have a lower tolerance for risk, then wear a condom. If you less risk adverse, then don't. But really, the moment you start having sex with sex workers, then there is risk no matter what.

My tastes are varied enough that I can usually find a dancer that's considered hot in her particular category. And that's fun for me. That doesn't mean I always find someone I'm willing to take to a room, but I'm also not ruminating over how the grass was greener in the '80s.

^ Look who came out of stealth mode. Welcome back.

Very often, when guys openly spread rumors about a dancer doing everything and everyone "raw", it's intended to scare guys away from a dancer. Sometimes it's because a guy wants a dancer all (or mostly) to himself. Sometimes it's because a dancer pissed him off and he's trying to get back at her. And then there's the guys who see other guys spreading a rumor and decide to support the rumor just for kicks. Personally, I don't believe such things about a dancer until she offers that thing to me.