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5 years ago
Heels make their legs look longer in relation to their body, which is sexy. And sort of force their posture to be butt-out a little, which is sex.
One of the dives here doesn't have any rules on this, and the girls all come out in sneakers. It definitely is not a good look, you can see how short some of their legs are, etc.
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5 years ago
-->"It is incredible to see so many agree on general traits they seek on such a subjective topic. It's not unanimous and there are differences of course, but it's still impressive."
It's also why I claim our advice is so iffy, for a beginner who is looking for mass appeal to the typical Saturday 1am crowd. PLs have a different perspective than random club goers. Our advice is awesome if she wants to appeal to older, regular customers -- who, in many clubs, are the ones with the most money, so it's not terrible advice. Just might not be the best advice for the high-hustle fast-buck sausagefest hours, where fake tits and barbie girl looks still seem to sell
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5 years ago
These are good points.
Her attractiveness is important. It has to at least hit some minimum, and the hotter she is, the more that works for her.. but I've ATFed women who aren't my perfect physical ideals.
How fun she is at the table also has to hit some minimum. I'll take an 8 who is a fucking riot at the table, over a 9 who isn't, in a heart beat. Don't even need to think about it.
And, course, there's mileage (or "vampiness" in founder's cringey terminology🤣 ). AGain, she has to hit some minimum at the very least, or no matter how hot or fun she is, she's gone. After that, more mileage can make up for other things.
Pure physical ideal wise, I love a gymnast's body: Slim, everything in proportion: small but heart-shaped and projecting bottom, small gravity-defying breasts, flat stomach, lumbar curve and dimples, firm everywhere. Lack of lumbar curve (aka Asian Girl's Disease) is a killer
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5 years ago
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azddOn the prowl in Tucson and Phoenix
-->"The club has never, to my knowlege, used my scan for any nefarious purpose."
ATAC, Pretty unlikely you'd have any knowledge though, don't you think? Every license scan goes into a database. That database may be accessible over the internet and is like backed up to a remote site. Everything I just said is a place where nefarious things can and DO happen.
You are, for example, giving employees more opportunity to collect your license info (which is enough in many cases to steal your identity); and the database and backup are opportunities for hackers.
I don't necessarily think it's the end of the world -- I sometimes go to clubs that ID scan, mostly because it's that, or don't go clubbing (although the ID scan is yet another factor in my more and more frequent choice to not go clubbing). But I recognize the not-insignificant risk. I also recognize that strip clubs have been banning customers for years, and enforcing those bans, before ID scanning started occurring
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5 years ago
If you're thinking about doing dayshift and/or specializing in PL regulars, this is a good forum to ask. Some strippers love building their business on mostly regulars, but some dislike it, and some do a hybrid where they have a few regulars at a time
If you're thinking about maximizing your income with the Saturday night 1am college guys, this-is-our-one-boys-night-out-wooo guys, etc., you'll very likely get the wrong picture here.
For example:
- I've never been on an internet strip club forum where the overall feeling wasn't strongly AGAINST boob jobs
- I've never known a stripper who didn't claim that strippers' income almost always goes up when she gets a boob job
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5 years ago
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rickduganVerified and Certifiable Super-Reviewer
Just like you have to tell the truth when someone asks "are you a cop?", you have to answer truthfully when asked "are you clean?". So this is a smart question and the girls are totally protected (as are customers)
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5 years ago
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azddOn the prowl in Tucson and Phoenix
Thanks for the update. A couple of my buddies went to HL during dayshift a few months ago. I didn't ask about it, but they are not the type to submit to ID scanning, and I think would have mentioned it to me if they'd even been asked.
They said the talent wasn't good that day, and ended up at Bourbon St
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5 years ago
Stop treating this goofball as real, retards
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5 years ago
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roshiBay Area, California
-->"When do I text "
This is really critical. Just like with a civilian, you don't want to text too soon and appear to anxious, but you don't want to wait too long and appear uninterested.
Just fucking with you! Stripper invited you to ask for OTC. Just text her. "Hey, it's me, Joaquin! Met you on Saturday, you know, the guy with the man boobs and nostril hair. You asked me about a private dance, I'd love to take you up on it ..." etc
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5 years ago
I definitely, strongly disagree on negotiating duration, at least if you're going with a known quantity (e.g., CF or ATF) rather than a rando high volume OTC girl. Best thing you can do for yourself is just negotiate a price, and once you're both happy, "okay, let's grab dinner and drinks at (fancy restaurant)". Never had a CF not happily go along with that; very often, they want to extend drinks to hours; sometimes, they crash at the hotel and you have an overnight. The overall price will not be one dime more for the extended date -- unless you unwisely inject the notion of pay-per-hour pricing into the negotiation
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5 years ago
I SC almost exclusively at clubs that are super super tame on the floor, and agree that there's no real science here -- ultimately you're going to have to take a risk. For myself, I seek out the most fun experience I can get on the floor, and then hope for the best in the VIP; and hey, even if the VIP turns out to be meh, at least I had fun on the floor.
So, for me, that translates to spending an hour or more at the table, doing shots and some surreptitious groping at the table. A girl who is low hustle and delights me at the table, has as good a chance as any of being great in the back. Otherwise, an hour of drinking and groping at the table was fun anyway
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5 years ago
-->"The specifics of our differences isn't really the point of my post though, the idea is there's wide variance in what people feel is valuable/acceptable. Hopefully the 3/5 votes thing is keeping out more bad reviews than its letting in, for all versions of "bad""
Agree completely! Many reviews are light on some facet, but make up for it in others. That's great -- if review #1 doesn't hit the topic I prioritize, maybe review #2 will. The problem is to the extent that there's a group that feels that the price details MUST be included, everything else is optional. I feel, if anything, if a review is going to miss anything, it's price -- I'm going for the girls, that's what's most valuable to me. The sane thing is, recognize different people prize different details, and instead of trying to dictate a particular standard that isn't shared by everyone, just approve reviews that provide details on whatever the reviewer prizes -- some guys might think it's critical that everyone know that drinks have gone from $7.50 to $9.00; others might prefer to discuss which girls are awesome or ROBs.
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5 years ago
You just go with what the girl says, you'll either by overpaying by 2x-3x, or not doing many OTCs. Find a negotiation style that works for you, and go with it. I personally prefer stating my number FIRST -- she'll generally either accept, or counter with a number that isn't too much higher, and we'll circle around to somewhere acceptable. Other guys prefer she give her number first; just a different negotiation style
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5 years ago
considering what pervs we all are, I'm often surprised how vanilla many tusclers are. Missionary with the lights on seems edgy for some of you
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5 years ago
I'm not doing an OTC with a stripper who would do a car date, so I'm already out
In addition, I don't do "timed" OTCs. The only girls charging by the minute are high volume girls with escort-like business models. This is the worst of all worlds -- escort-like professional by-the-minute pricing with stripper-like flakiness and unreliability. I pick a stripper who doesn't charge by the minute -- just negotiate a price, then let her know we're doing dinner and drinks first, it's all inclusive.
Anyway, long way to say, I have no idea what to negotiate if you find a stripper who does by-the-minute pricing and will do it in your car. It sucks all the joy and awesomeness out of OTC
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5 years ago
We argue about this constantly.
To me, BY FAR the most important information about a review is inside info on which girls are great and which are ROBs/GPS/etc -- without discussing details that could get the girl in trouble with management, the other girls, or LE. All of which is easy to do.
Least interesting information is how much cover charge, lap dance, drink price, etc. is, especially if there are a zillion previous reviews with that information. No, a review should not have to be self-contained -- what type of psycho only reads ONE review before deciding on a club, anyway? No one. Everyone is reading a few reviews per club, and they'll get price information along the way.
But inside information that Cinnamon is a ROB who doesn't deliver what she promises, Candy gives amazing lap dances, Lily overcounts songs, Jade made his night and is CF material? Actual usable inside info that I couldn't have gotten anywhere but in a review by someone who went there, and I can put to use right away. I suppose it's also useful to know that a drink costs $8 too.
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5 years ago
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IceyI put your ATF on a winning team
As a grown man who pretends to be a pimp on the internet to show off for creepy strip clubbers, I approve this thread
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5 years ago
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rickduganVerified and Certifiable Super-Reviewer
Yep, I think this is all of us. In general: We'll feel better paying for amazing experiences than for routine non-luxury goods and services. More "luxury" part of the sex industry (SC, SA, FBSM) counts as experience, not service, for many/most SCers (versus the guys bottom-trawling bp for $100 escorts or AMP girls)
Aside from amazing experiences, when it comes to luxury goods, I own a $75 pen (don't even ask how much the refill I'm using costs lol), but I'll still bias to buying my bread on sale, using the ATM at my bank, etc. Luxury goods and great experiences (especially sexual ones) definitely get motivated by a different part of the brain than routine goods and services.
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5 years ago
I spend pretty predictable: 2-3 VIPs (usually 2), plus a non-trivial amount for food and alcohol. VIP prices have gone up, so that translates to most trips being $240 in VIPs, at least. I often SC with my buddies, and at those times, it's not uncommon she makes as much (or more) off them. I've had ATFs who made $800 counting my buddies' dances, for the 4 or 5 hours we're there, all during the slowest part of what is often a slower shirt. But sometimes it's just $240 for 3-4 hours, if I'm SCing alone
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5 years ago
Ah! That makes sense, someone was complaining about duplicate threads a few weeks ago
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5 years ago
lol not "a long time ago", a little while ago
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5 years ago
Something wrong with the identical thread you created a long time ago, which already has a bunch of responses? https://www.tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=67735
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5 years ago
I don't have any firsthand experience with this. But as a grizzled veteran PL who knows exactly what he wants -- lots of table time and private time with an attractive 20-something who I can actually touch -- I don't have any use for hot waitresses or bartenders. Out of the crew I go SCing with, there's one guy who tends to fixate on the hot waitresses and bartenders, and I bust his balls about how weak-minded he is for falling for "she's untouchable so I want her" when there's so many hot chicks around who he CAN touch.
I also don't want hot bartenders bringing in any more guys, I don't need the club filled with even more sausages. I don't want the place full of guys there for the bartender, who also turn their attention to the strippers -- I seek out slow shifts on purpose.
I sympathize with the strippers for being resentful over the hot bartender phenom, but that's none of my business. I only care about how it effects me, and I can't imagine it'd be anything but a negative for the way I like to SC.
I don't blame the clubs for doing this -- they're a business, and the times they are a-changing, so whatever they need to do. Just doesn't feel like a model that benefits a PL who is focused on experiences with strippers
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5 years ago
If they license scan, that'd be the easy way. In my city deja vu owns all the clubs but one (or two, depending on whether the second is still opeon). I wonder if you're banned from one DV club, if you're basically banned at all clubs but the two not owned by DV.
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5 years ago
We had this conversation like 2 weeks ago?
SCs = awesome
AMPs = disgusting
FBSM = nice occasional distraction from SCs, to change things up