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6 years ago
$1000 is fine, if you're getting a 9.5, and you're in Vegas. Otherwise, 2x-3x too high. Stop asking the girls for a quote and tell them what you're willing to pay; if you're not a great negotiator (and who is, when their dick is hard?), best to start off from your own lower number. In addition, suggest you don't negotiate for "all night" or even mention time. The nice thing about strippers is that the ones who have a non-escort-like model price OTC by the event, not by the hour, at least if you don't start off asking for all night. Get your price, and she stays however long she stays, which may well end up overnight; if you do a little (or a lot of) drinking, chances are she'll spend more time, but don't let her get drunk
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6 years ago
Her body is too thick for me; her face looks amazing when her makeup looks natural, and not so much more made up. If I had no other options, I might get dances from her if I had a few shots first, which I think puts her in 6.5-7 territory for me
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6 years ago
heh, both good!
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6 years ago
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rickduganVerified and Certifiable Super-Reviewer
-->"The Dem candidates will have to move so far to the left to satisfy the lunatic left that has the energy to win the primary they will be fucked in the general."
Of course, that works both ways, in that Trump is already a known quantity. I'd argue that many at the center who voted for Trump as an anti-Hillary vote rather than a policy vote, are in shock over what he's done, and his approval ratings have reflected that (although I honestly haven't checked them lately so have no idea where that stands). As long as the Dems don't nominate a progressive, I'd argue that a centrist Dem candidate, even if they ran left during the primary, really doesn't have to do that much to convince people that they're center enough, at least compared to Trump.
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6 years ago
clubdude: I, too, feel like something else must have been going on. In decades of SCing, I've seen plenty of incompetent waitstaff, but never anything like you've described, which sounds an awful lot like a campaign to get you to leave the club. Is there any other background? Maybe your SC style there has been to drink but not tip the girls? You've had a conflict with a bouncer or the manager before? Anything else, no matter how subtle, that could have led to the staff doing this?
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6 years ago
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loperjust looking for a little human contact along the way
-->"Part of it is that I feel guilty if her angle is investment in a possible lucrative future with me when I know that I'm not going to increase my spending. But, again, overthinking."
If you are not secretly hoping "this means she really really likes me" and don't have a crush on her, you're way overthinking. Going to dinner with a stripper is insanely fun. But if some part of you is covering up a secret longing for her love, stay away.
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6 years ago
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loperjust looking for a little human contact along the way
-->" I guess it's apparent that I have a thing for her,"
I would have said you're crazy for not taking her to dinner, except that the statement above, coupled by all the hand-wringing about whether she likes you, makes me wonder if you're not in a place emotionally to be "playing house" with a professional hustler
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6 years ago
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rickduganVerified and Certifiable Super-Reviewer
-->"Still a noob @OTC, but wouldn’t it be easier if she drove herself there and then met you at the room?"
The chances of her actually showing up, if left to her own devices, drops drastically. Making it across tow to a place she committed to going, might seem like a simple thing to you, but is a herculean task in post-shift drunk stripper terms. I typically don't do my OTCs post-shift, like Rick does, but this was always a problem post-shift. Have to watch them like a hawk once they check out.
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6 years ago
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rickduganVerified and Certifiable Super-Reviewer
Bernie is the only person in the last election, who would've gotten me voting for Trump. Now the Dems have, what, 4 looney leftists instead of 1 in the mix? Every one of them gets me voting for Trump again. I can hold my nose and vote for Biden.
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6 years ago
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rickduganVerified and Certifiable Super-Reviewer
I would like to see Trump get the boot, but agree with Rick that the Dems are blowing it (although I'm not certain his examples are the most egregious). But what I'm worried about is:
1. The dems think Trump won and Hillary lost, because the Trump was radical and energizing, whereas Hillary represented the establishment. As a result, they are running very far to the left
2. Whereas Trump actually won not because of Hillary's political stances, but visceral hatred of Hillary, personally. Hell, Hillary has a better grasp on economic policy (and many other areas of policy) than Trump, IMO.
Any moderate dem will pull all of the center back to the democrats, and it will be an easy win. Put up Bernie or any progressive candidate saddled with progressive identity politics, self-destructive economic "theories", etc? It's going to be a lot closer than you'd like, and Trump has a good chance of winning.
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6 years ago
Most prepaid CCs don't require a real name, although I think SA may have stopped taking gift cards, though I've heard they may still be taking Vanilla Visa refillable card. In any case, it's worth trying a new profile, completely re-written, different pics, and all through a VPN. Don't pay for a while, just go around favoriting SBs and see if you get banned. If not, pay with a different credit card and see what happens
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6 years ago
All VPNs have sites all around the world, and automatically connect you to the one that will give you the best performance (usually the one that's closest). Tunnelbear has a few in the US, it'll connect you to the right one. This isn't something you need think about; either you do or don't get the performance you're looking for.
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6 years ago
Just use a VPN, you won't have to worry about the IP and it's easy and fast. I use TunnelBear and have been hahppy with it. You sure you're not putting anything prohibited in your profile text?
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6 years ago
Any idea why you got banned? If it's your profile text, or you keep getting reported due to your messaging style, don't do that :) Some people -- not all -- have gotten results by contacting supporting, promising never to use escort language again (which is the most common ban reason).
Other than that, use a VPN to hide your IP and don't use the same pics or profile text; it may be the case that they're pattern-matching on either or both.
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6 years ago
With the benefit of hindsight, founder inadvertently killed the VIP when he made the changes to the system where instead of two separate forums (which could be monitored easily on two separate tabs), it was a single forum that you had to check or uncheck to see VIP, *and* even for VIP members posting, they had to check a special box to post to the VIP. This kind of complexity almost never works... I don't think there's much use artificially propping up a dead forum with random bumps.
Although I'd also say it's the case that the main forum is as troll-free as I've ever seen, since I got here. A very small number of malicious trolls, and we're even blessed with the fewest number of unfunny "comedy trolls" that I've seen in a long time, which is probably why the VIP isn't an issue
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6 years ago
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Papi_ChuloMiami, FL (or the nearest big-booty club)
Clubber: I'm just fucking with Papi. I realize Olive Garden is too upscale for him; who the fuck can afford infinite breadsticks, anyway?
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6 years ago
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Papi_ChuloMiami, FL (or the nearest big-booty club)
^^^ Pretty sure it's the Olive Garden on 24th
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6 years ago
Her using a vibrator on herself wouldn't turn me on. The fun is using it on her.
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6 years ago
-->"You seriously think that anything posted on a strip club site could be used to get them in trouble?"
Sal, Having been part of a local online community for over 10 years in which explicit reviews were allowed and encouraged, we don't have to theorize about whether or not it might get the girls in trouble or make their time more difficult. In our case, it wasn't with law enforcement since LE doesn't target SCs here (although I do buy the theoretical argument that LE could use the reviews as a guide as to whom to target, or at least which clubs to target). It did get the girls in trouble with management sometimes in various ways, including one ostensibly no-extras club where girls who were caught were shaken down. But the most common ways it made the girls' lives miserable was with other girls, and other customers. Shockingly, strippers don't follow a high standard of evidence, and it didn't take a lot of review evidence to get girls shunned, verbally abused, and sometimes worse (this being SF, price rather than activity was more often the culprit). But the strippers' highest complaints were about other customers -- who sometimes abusively demanded an act that had been a YMMV act or YMMV price to a favored regular and not a regular menu item/price, sometimes stressed their relationships with regulars who wanted to feel favored, etc.
The view of strippers towards that review board and any customer who was part of it was: seething contempt. I do think regardless of how much you feel should or shouldn't be revealed, sfredbook's history means we don't have to guess what problems might occur or how the girls might be impacted or view such a forum.
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6 years ago
-->"You're also missing out on opportunities at lower price points if she is over eager for a cash infusion. Or, if you are starting at a bottom rung price, some girls will assume that you view them as cheap trash or that you're cheap. The person who quotes a price is giving information to the other person that goes beyond pricing expectations.
I suspect that regional differences play in here. If I was clubbing in San Fran, I might have to adopt more of a bulldozer approach too."
Right, in SF, there's clubs where girls will just respond $1000 to that question. There was a time when everyone seemed to be saying $600, as if it's something the girls all agreed on as an initial quote. I've gotten those girls for as little as $250 (back before the inflation that got bad 3-4 years ago, $250 isn't happening anymore for a hot girl), but I don't always have the balls to counter $250 to a $1000 offer; nor do the girls pride-wise seem to accept it after offering $1000. I mean, I COULD do that, and in a few cases earlier in my OTC career I tried, but I got exactly zero OTCs from that. In any case, at least for me, having tried it both ways, making my offer first has been practically the only way to end up naked in a hotel room with a stripper. Girls aren't low-balling guys in SF!
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6 years ago
Note: if the club you're going to sells other types of drinks in opaque containers, then you can smuggle in anything you want, obviously, doesn't have to be clear.
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6 years ago
Also, plain sight
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6 years ago
TFP: when I go to clubs with no alcohol (which is rarely), I smuggle in some vodka, then buy a bottle of whatever springwater they're selling. Head to bathroom, dump out water, fill bottle up with vodka, put on table. I drink it in plain site. My ATFs and her friends sometimes join me
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6 years ago
AGree, DTS, that's a good way of putting it. 'course, I often get drunk with my stripper while the bouncer is looking, and I wouldn't say that about her in a review, either.
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6 years ago
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