Dems are already screwed for 2020
rickdugan
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How many different ways can they keep shooting themselves in the foot? Do they really have such a poor grasp on the political landscape in places outside of CA and NY?
First, they went all-in on the ridiculous Trump narrative and they now have collective egg on their faces. They will no doubt make much desperate noise over the next several months and run endless investigations, but the public (especially moderates and Independents) won't forget and will see it for what it is. I have no doubt that Trump will beat this drum during the national elections, especially if Dems continue down this path.
Then Sens. Kirsten Gillibrand (N.Y.), Cory Booker (N.J.), Kamala D. Harris (Calif.), Amy Klobuchar (Minn.), Elizabeth Warren (Mass.) and Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) all voted “no” on the Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act. This act was in response to the horrible new abortion law in NY which allows late term abortions and even withholding of medical treatment for a baby that somehow survives the procedure. I guess our esteemed Senators don't read the polls, including those in which 80% of Americans oppose late term abortion. Expect Trump to use the new NY law and the no votes against Dems in the election.
Now we have an upcoming vote for that absurd "Green New Deal." Dems are viciously opposed to a vote on this and for good reason as a yes vote will also be used against them during the general election.
Wow. At this point, the only serious candidate who isn't badly smeared by all of this is O'Rourke, who of course couldn't even win a Senate seat in his own state. Biden is having issues obtaining campaign financing, so he's not looking good right now either.
The Dems are seriously screwed, at least as things stand now. They badly overplayed their hands and I strongly suspect are going to pay for it in 2020.
First, they went all-in on the ridiculous Trump narrative and they now have collective egg on their faces. They will no doubt make much desperate noise over the next several months and run endless investigations, but the public (especially moderates and Independents) won't forget and will see it for what it is. I have no doubt that Trump will beat this drum during the national elections, especially if Dems continue down this path.
Then Sens. Kirsten Gillibrand (N.Y.), Cory Booker (N.J.), Kamala D. Harris (Calif.), Amy Klobuchar (Minn.), Elizabeth Warren (Mass.) and Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) all voted “no” on the Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act. This act was in response to the horrible new abortion law in NY which allows late term abortions and even withholding of medical treatment for a baby that somehow survives the procedure. I guess our esteemed Senators don't read the polls, including those in which 80% of Americans oppose late term abortion. Expect Trump to use the new NY law and the no votes against Dems in the election.
Now we have an upcoming vote for that absurd "Green New Deal." Dems are viciously opposed to a vote on this and for good reason as a yes vote will also be used against them during the general election.
Wow. At this point, the only serious candidate who isn't badly smeared by all of this is O'Rourke, who of course couldn't even win a Senate seat in his own state. Biden is having issues obtaining campaign financing, so he's not looking good right now either.
The Dems are seriously screwed, at least as things stand now. They badly overplayed their hands and I strongly suspect are going to pay for it in 2020.
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If he runs he stands a way better chance than any other democrat who has placed his/her name in the hat. He’s their only chance, because Biden represents too far left leaning political identity with his name attached to Obama.
Conservatives wants the easiest candidate to beat...
If Trump wants to win the White House in 2020 then he would have to do it the hard & long way...
My money is still Former Vice President Joe Biden...
He has the ability to draw moderates & independent who see trumps character as distasteful & unfit to occupy the highest office in the Land...
Joe Biden/Kamala Harris Ticket will send President Donald J Trump back to Trump Tower in New York City come November 3rd, 2020...
The old fat guy that can never get pussy except he pays for it...
Paying pornstars for pussy...
Hahaha...
The problem, though, is whether he could take big far left leaning states in the primaries, like NY and CA. The people who organize major Dem campaign financing don't think so. Also, we can expect the candidate field to be crowded this year as many of this new breed of power hungry and self serving ankle biters are unlikely to drop out early. Pocahontas and "The Steady", among others, have already shown no shame in their game when it comes to political maneuvering, so there will be a lot of people vying for the same pot of cash. Without the Super-delegates to tip the scales, I have no doubt that this is going all the way to the convention this year.
It's the economy, stupid. Either the recession hits before mid 2020 and Trump is fucked, or the good economy will last just long enough to squeak out a win.
I honestly don't think it matters who the Dems nominate, 2020 will be a referendum on Trump, and he needs to keep that chunk of voters who hate everyone and always vote for change. Right now it's about a 45 percent chance Trump is re elected. Republicans will hold the Senate either way.
The reality is, your political views make you seem like dinosaurs, a dying breed out of touch with today's realities.
Joe Biden: Too many creepy pictures of him and little girls, plagiarizing speeches, using a "Black" affectation in speeches to Blacks, Obama First clean..., find his speech on Senate floor supporting Clinton's Crime Bill, China deals with his son. CREEPY
Bernie Sanders: Too old, toowhite, too male, fake socialist ($300,000 car and 3 homes) wife defrauded government as college administrator FAKE
Kamala Harris: Slept her way into California politics, made a fool of herself with double standard between Kavanaugh and her staffer, record of prosecution/persecution as California AG LIBERAL COME LATELY
Elizabeth Warren: Fauxchahontas...DOUCHE
Cory Booker: Destroyed Newark, pretends to be one of the people but actually went to Stanford, Oxford and Yale and his parents were IBM executives, NOT SPARTACUS
Kirsten Gillibrand: Owes her political career to the Clintons, friend with Clintons until it became unfashionable, same with Harvey Weinstein, #metoo except when it is someone on her staff, LIGHTWEIGHT
Con man defrauded Millions using his Trump University
Slept with a Porn Star in Exchange for Money
He said & I quote “ Grab them by the Pussy”
Filed Multiple Bankruptcies
Has a history of running business into the ground which explains the reason while most banks won’t touch him with a pole...
Refused to release his tax return...
Calls Black People are very dumb race...
Which explains why he will never get a sizable portion of both the African American Voting Bloc & Spanish Speaking Voting Bloc who overwhelmingly votes Democrats during the General Elections...
Dem fundraisers seem to think so, because Beto is getting a lot of the campaign contributions from the usual Dem fixers. Biden, otoh, is having a heck of a time raising money because the fixers don't think he can win in the primaries.
Trump University turned out bad but I believe he settled the lawsuits. (That's what happens when you lend your name to something and don't run it)
Pornstar got paid to keep her mouth shut about screwing him not to screw him
Grab em by the pussy...on this venue you're complaining about that?
Unlike most politicians, he hasn't been a politician all his life. he's actually done things. 6 out of 100's of businesses filed for bankruptcy protection. Some filed Chapter 11 to allow for reorganization.
He's not required to release his tax returns
Not the Black race. Just Maxine watters
There are Mexicans crossing the border who are rapists, drug dealers, murderers...he never said all btu his statement is accurate
Go ahead now...call me a racist!
That's the go to response when a liberal is presented with facts!
The best weapon in the Trump re-election campaign...Alexandria Occassio-Cortez!
But beyond that, I think it is also a gift to the Republican Party as a whole. Independents and moderates are now getting a taste of what an unfettered far left Dem agenda tastes like and I'm guessing that they don't like the flavor. The Party who holds the presidency almost always loses Congress after the first mid-term election, because the country as a whole is very centrist in nature and gravitates towards a balance. But this Dem party could actually set a historic precedent and give Congress back to a sitting President, lol.
If you don't know who said it or what it means I suggest you start there.
Then go a step further--understand that expression was repeated often by the democratic party until 2005 when the good Rev Jesse Jackson.....father to the son of the man who did the hanky when Obama did the panky with his vacant seat in Congress when he became President......called it an outright lie and fabrication on how things work.
JFK would never be a democrat by today's standards....which is what I have been trying to say to all those who think they would never vote anything else but liberal.
Biden is the best bet they have.......not that something or someone can't come along but Beto isn't the answer and neither is anyone remotely associated with AOC. If anything as time goes by expect her to cause the same divide the Tea Party caused the Republicans a few years back.
And it was never challenged until Jesse Jackson did so, which is right about the time you could sense the democratic party and the media making a pivot from common sense and move left.
It took Trump to understand that pivot moved the party away from the blue collar base and could be convinced he was a better choice for them and their families than the "Brie eating wine snobs" of the Pelosi/Reid/Obama triangle.
For being what the have always been the M generation refers to them as racist and misogynist.
Clearly 2016 taught us none of those disqualify a candidate for President!
Just imagine JFK giving a speech today in Brooklyn or L.A. and announcing: "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country" to the handout seeking, self entitled, victim mentality mob that comprises the Dems' core constituencies in places like that. There would be a riot.
1. The dems think Trump won and Hillary lost, because the Trump was radical and energizing, whereas Hillary represented the establishment. As a result, they are running very far to the left
2. Whereas Trump actually won not because of Hillary's political stances, but visceral hatred of Hillary, personally. Hell, Hillary has a better grasp on economic policy (and many other areas of policy) than Trump, IMO.
Any moderate dem will pull all of the center back to the democrats, and it will be an easy win. Put up Bernie or any progressive candidate saddled with progressive identity politics, self-destructive economic "theories", etc? It's going to be a lot closer than you'd like, and Trump has a good chance of winning.
If they don’t get back to fiscal responsibility this is going to be a last hurrah.
On the surface it seems so obvious we need a new third party but unfortunately it appears the cost in terms of capital and sweat equity is too hard to overcome for this to happen.
Most of the third party candidates we end up with turn out to be akin to the sideshow freaks at the carnival and simply are never taken seriously.
And I don't like the power the press seems to have in manipulating content and coverage --the days of unbiased journalism is gone and has been for decades. It continues to get worse.
If you work in the DC area or have on any level you understand the problem goes far deeper than just the people holding elected office. Trump for all the things I do not like about him was right about the swamp needing drained.
At the core one of the main differences in party is Republicans want to cut the size of the Fed---Democrats believe a bigger government is better.....and as such the government grows and the people who work in it protect their own self interest when they vote. Many of those workers have spilled into Virgina in recent years and the poitical landscape in the state has forever changed because of it.
Anyway....while you all are arguing about how bad Trump or the Dem candidates are.....you're missing the point that they all suck and generally are getting rich screwing us over. They like the power too. Who the fuck are they to tell all of us how we should live. Government should be a small entity that covers some basic shit. Protect our rights from enemies foreign and domestic. We have our rights listed pretty clearly....and yet how may of them have been stomped on by the government over the last hundred years or so. They tax us when we earn money, when we spend that same money and if we buy property, tax us again. Save money....tax that shit down the road. Free speech....unless it hurts someone's feelings. 2nd amendment....written just after a war where private citizens had military rifles, cannons and ships of war with their own cannons.....and people argue we're only allowed pea shooters if anything. The one about housing military in your home.....maybe a stretch, but that government spying on your calls, emails and anything else is about the same shit. There are supposed to be rules that a warrant is needed before they can listen to our shit. Doing it wholesale is illegal as fuck. It goes on and on.
What we need is someone who understands what's going on and is willing to fight to reverse it so we can be free again. Modern conservatives in the Republican party don't seem to get it....they're religious conservative more than constitutional conservative. I don't care if the founding was Judaeo-Christian....the point was that we should each be free to do things our own way up to the point it messed with the rights of the next person. It shouldn't matter if you have a Muslim majority, Buddhist majority or whatever. The constitution keeps the government from letting that majority from fucking with the beliefs of the individual. Wanna worship satan....go ahead....just don't sacrifice any virgins as they have rights too.
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I was a Kasich guy.
Naturally, I couldn't vote for Hilliary because any human being with an IQ over 60 knows that she and her husband are crooks. They sold their access (and their souls) to the highest bidder.
After Trump was elected and I saw how hard the Dems and the "Press" went after him, I knew he was the right guy for the job.
He has done the best job of actuallly following through on his campaign promises of any POTUS since Reagan. Some of the things he was unable to get accomplished (like healthcare and the wall) was because too many of the Republicans believed the Russia Hoax and were unwilling to go out on a limb for a POTUS that may be getting impeached.
Make no mistake, the purpose of the Russia Hoax was to unseat a duly elected POTUS and cover up the felonies committed by the Obama DOJ and Intelligence Agencies trying to fix the election for Hilliary.
I know I would!
It’s long, so I’ll summarize. Fan Bingbing is the biggest movie star in China. Last year, the authorities decided she was avoiding taxes. She disappeared. She reappeared after paying $100 Million in retroactive taxes. The entire film industry is now affected. Billions of dollars in retroactive taxes have been assessed. Other famous actors have disappeared. Everyone is afraid to talk.
The government has simply decided that tax rates were too low in prior years and they are retroactively raising rates.
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A moderate Dem emerging from primaries can beat Trump in 2020. The primaries make it difficult for a moderate to emerge on either side - candidates run to the polar sides (Republicans to the right, Dems to the left) to satisfy the activists in each party and then candidates rush closer to center in the general election, though my observations are Dems run to center more than Republicans tend to (and Repubs haven't since pre-2000) and Trump certainly didn’t rush to center in 2016.
I think Subra's right that much of Trump vote in 2016 wasn't pro Trump but rather "visceral hatred" anti Hillary. I've heard a lot of Dems say if Dem party had nominated Bernie in 2016 he would've beat Trump – ya right, not a chance.
Evasparkling may be right that a Biden/Harris ticket could pull it off. In addition to Biden's downsides listed above (including speech and law school plagiarism), he's a fraud for having lied about how many college majors he got (said 3, then said 2, was actually 1), about having gone to law school on full academic scholarship and only one in his class to get that, and about graduating in top half of law school class (was actually bottom 11%). What a douche.
Nobody cares about this shit anymore (they should) and the same would go for Biden.
Biden’s son is a lobbyist who became wealthy by lobbying his Dad. Kamala Harris got her start in politics as Willie Brown’s mistress.
Whoever is nominated is going to be put through the wringer, getting the same treatment that Hillary got.
If it is Biden I'll be looking forward to seeing all the Biden gaffes from over the years. Some are really funny.
The Dem candidates will have to move so far to the left to satisfy the lunatic left that has the energy to win the primary they will be fucked in the general.
Of course, that works both ways, in that Trump is already a known quantity. I'd argue that many at the center who voted for Trump as an anti-Hillary vote rather than a policy vote, are in shock over what he's done, and his approval ratings have reflected that (although I honestly haven't checked them lately so have no idea where that stands). As long as the Dems don't nominate a progressive, I'd argue that a centrist Dem candidate, even if they ran left during the primary, really doesn't have to do that much to convince people that they're center enough, at least compared to Trump.
I also don't buy the notion that this was all about Hillary rather than policy. One of Hillary's many problems was that she was unable to articulate a clear policy vision, a common problem for Dems since, if they are being honest, many of those policies are not popular with Independents and moderates. Now the problem for many of these Dems is that they've been perhaps more honest than is good for them, from showing their support for late term baby killing to a job and economy killing New Green Deal.
Trump is a populist and his base is the working class. As long as he delivers on his promise of jobs and wages, the base will support him. If he can rub the elites face in the mud while doing that, it’s just a bonus. Trump’s rudeness is a feature, not a bug.
While the left needs to unify dozens of identity groups to win an election, Trump needs to satisfy just one group.....the working class.
Say whatever you like about me, but I believe in markets, I believe in our country, and I don’t like him and agree with George Conway this man is not fit to be president.
His governing philosophy is not a mystery.
His governing philosophy is not a mystery.
-To the horror of Dept of State, proclaimed achieving significant concessions and superior negotiating skills following first meeting with N Korea dictator - he didn't achieve anything and no agreement was signed.
-Campaign promised to build wall with Mexican money and hasn't delivered. Declared government shutdown until wall funding approved and then caved.
-Daily village idiot Tweets.
https://youtu.be/JXbR3oADwaM
- we continue to talk with NK and the immediate threat has disappeared
- we are already building miles of wall. Trump is traveling to SannDiego in 2 weeks to unveil the first segment
- His tweets are the best way to reach Americans directly in opposition to the mainstream media. Would you prefer he rely on CNN to speak his message ?
We can only hope that it continues.
The tests stopped. That’s it. NK Is reopening facilities and building new facilities. Please explain how that equals a disappeared threat. At the very least, it’s the same, but NK likely has more warheads and more missiles than they did a year ago. Unless you disagree with our intelligence agencies.
As I said, the talks are ongoing. We won’t reach an accord with NK until after we have finalized a trade deal with China.
You were called out on your false statements and decided to hide your embarrassment by quibbling on wording. Didn’t work.
On the actual point of then immediate threat I won’t bother trying to change your mind. They still have all their missiles and warheads. Probably more unless they stopped building. They’ve proved they can detonate a nuke. They’ve proved they can launch a missile that can hit Mar A Lago. (Or was that the Russians? I get my enemies of the US/friends of the president mixed up sometimes.) If you sleep better now than you did when they were testing good for you.
Response to various criticism:
For two years,24 hours a day, 7 days a week, NYT, WAPO, ABC, NBC, CBS, NPR, CNN and BSNBC have been telling us that Trump is a criminal and a traitor. Still he has accomplished what he has accomplished, has a nearly 50% job approval rating and Trump voters from 2016 would vote for him again at a rate of 93%
Clinton talked about a crisis on the border and border security, Bush talked about a crisis on the border and border security, Obama talked about a crisis on the border and border security but when Trump talks about a crisis on the border and border security, he's a racist.
Every POTUS since JFK had meetings with Soviet/Russian leaders. Some had private one on one meetings. One said, "I'll have more flexibility after the election." but only Trump was called a traitor for doing so.
Clinton made a deal with NOKO that allowed them to build their nuclear program. Bush and Obama imposed sanctions then lifted them when NOKO made promises that were not kept. Trump was handed the shit show and he talked to Kim. Kim made promises he hasn't kept. Unlike his predecessors, Trump hasn't lifted any sanctions. The "training exercises" are usless other than as PR.
He's got NATO to pay more of their share, armed the Ukranians to fight off Russia, forced trade renegotiations to make the playing field more level (offered to do zero tariffs in either direction with ANY country willing to do so), de-regulated to stimulate the economy and bullied some US companies to stay US companies.
Of course, if you only watch Fake News, all you have heard is the bullshit because they refuse to cover anything that might make you think Trump is doing a decent job.
I was taking deep breaths and preparing myself to make my case to the crowd, I felt two hands on my shoulders. I froze. “Why is the vice-president of the United States touching me?” I felt him get closer to me from behind. He leaned further in and inhaled my hair. I was mortified. I thought to myself, “I didn’t wash my hair today and the vice-president of the United States is smelling it. And also, what in the actual fuck? Why is the vice-president of the United States smelling my hair?” He proceeded to plant a big slow kiss on the back of my head. My brain couldn’t process what was happening. I was embarrassed. I was shocked. I was confused. There is a Spanish saying, “tragame tierra,” it means, “earth, swallow me whole.” I couldn’t move and I couldn’t say anything. I wanted nothing more than to get Biden away from me. My name was called and I was never happier to get on stage in front of an audience.
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“Agents say that, whether at the vice president’s residence or at his home in Delaware, Biden has a habit of swimming in his pool nude,” Kessler writes in the book.
“Female Secret Service agents find that offensive,” he writes.
“Biden likes to be revered as everyday Joe,” an unnamed agent told Kessler. “But the reality is no agents want to go on his detail because Biden makes agents’ lives so tough.”
For 50-plus years, the academic and political classes have been telling people that America isn’t great, and often that it’s uniquely evil, and that anyone who thinks otherwise is a loser. This is pushback against that attitude. It’s working-class defiance in the face of the political/academic elite
Oh yeah Muellar posted a statement that his report does nothing to exonerate Donald Trump, all it says is that he doesn’t believe it to be chargeable, let’s demand the truth together you and I, you really don’t believe I’m any less patriotic than you just because we disagree.
A booming economy and effective foreign policy are trivial when it comes to selecting a President.
2.3% isn't booming, but it sure as hell feels like it is following the previous 8 years.
But there is a wide chasm forming in the Dem Party covering regarding a number of fundamental beliefs. Also, the younger so-called progressives and even some of the older more extreme types have already shown that they have no problem with getting nasty. I think this stuff with Biden is just the opening salvo, which they unleashed this early because he is polling well and hasn't decided to formally wade in yet. Before this is over, I think that this is going to be one of the nastiest primary fights in the history of our Presidential elections.
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Planet Nine could be a miniature black hole hiding in our solar system
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SJG
If he is the Democratic Nominee, I'll vote for him, but I don't see this as likely.
SJG
Always hard to say which way is best. Same issue for the Republicans.
SJG
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