First time arranging OTC. How much?
sexmeplease
Having BJ’s in VIP in Arizona
Been going to this club for almost a year now. Pretty much regular with 2 to 3 visits a month. Earn some trust of some of the girls. Now getting offers for OTC. Getting asked for $1000 for the entire night. Is that high? Or in your experience is that way too much? Also, trying to see about working something for long-term that isn’t such high priced. Any insight would be helpful.
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That's what inexperienced SCers that ask instead of saying what'll you pay, get quoted - you're being hustled and seemingly letting her have complete control of the situation which normally does not bode well for the PL - seems you set this up w/o a plan nor knowing/having researched how to go about it
Not including hotel (and possibly good food and drinks), $1000 sounds too high (do you really want to spend the whole night with her?).
I consider what a VIP FS session cost (her tip amount) and use that as a starting point.
In the COI, I've offered B Teams girls $200-250 and my offers are accepted about half the time.
I don't think you should go with an expensive whole nighter when it seems you're nit experienced with OTC.
You don't wanna overpay particularly the first time with a girl you wanna repeat with - usually she'll expect the same amount going forward.
IME/IMO:
1. Dancers that ask for obscene amounts are often not worth it
2. If it takes an obscene amount to get her to do OTC, that could mean she really doesn't wanna do it and if she really doesn't wanna do it then it may likely not be worth it - paying big $$$ does not mean a much better time - I think she just thinks she has a chump on the line ready to be reeled in
Again - this looks more like an inexperienced SCer being hustled - dancers hustling inexperienced custies is basic to strip-clubbing - it's up to the custy to know how to not to get hustled, you can't expect the dancer not to do it - asking her her price usually signals "I don't know shit, please feel free to rip me off".
One should treat OTC like buying a car - not smart to not have any idea about the cost of the car and depend on the "friendly" salesman to give you a good/fair deal.
Again - this looks more like an inexperienced SCer being hustled - dancers hustling inexperienced custies is basic to strip-clubbing - it's up to the custy to know how to not to get hustled, you can't expect the dancer not to do it - asking her her price usually signals "I don't know shit, please feel free to rip me off".
One should treat OTC like buying a car - not smart to not have any idea about the cost of the car and depend on the "friendly" salesman to give you a good/fair deal.
The takeaway here is to have an idea of what P4P is in the area/market and use that as a rule-of-thumb - and control the process since you are the one paying (you make an educated fair offer and it's up to her to take it or leave it and if she leaves it, you try w/ someone else).
I am going to repeat what Papi said: Do you really need the whole night?
I'm sure that there are plenty of girls who will accept $250 - 300 for an hour or so.
For those of us who have been making good money for a long time, I think it's easy for us to lose sight of just how much $300 is. For someone' whose next best option is a $12 per hour job were she not a stripper, it represents 25 hours or work at that vanilla job - more if you factor in tax withholdings. Now some strippers make enough money ITC that they are not tempted by OTC money, but for others, especially in slower clubs and/or with lots of bills to pay, it's a nice additional infusion of cash that isn't easy to come by.
I’ve never been asked to pay, they tell me that “I won’t charge you” to let you know they just want a good time.
FYI: this happens when your young enough to date them, charming, and got some game and time to commit to playing with them. Now that I have a family I don’t even bother. So if you’re an old dude or if you can’t put in the time to get it for free, ignore what I just wrote.
B. As Subraman has said, arranging for a specific amount of time will likely yield a less than satisfactory experience. I personally often ask for “however long we’re having fun.” I like to chat and relax both before and after, this approach gets me what I’m looking for more often than not.
It sounds like you're in "the definition of insanity is to do the same thing and expect a different outcome" territory. In the case above, you'd asked her to quote a price? To re-re-re-repeat: name your price, don't negotiate for time (just however long it takes for dinner/drinks/sex, the girls may surprise you with how long they stay). One of the main advantages of strippers vs escorts is that you get a far hotter girl, for a far far lower rate (when measured as total price for the amount of time). The fact that you're getting the opposite means your process is broken.
I've negotiated too many of these to count over the years and it has never been my experience that a girl who thinks her efforts are worth $y will only accept a lower $x if I get the jump on her. In fact, IMO this belief also stems from negotiating insecurity not too dissimilar to that displayed by sexmeplease. As long as you handle it with a little tact, an otherwise willing girl will not turn down a good payday just because a guy doesn't bite on a pie-in-the sky number. If a girl turns down a reasonable counter-offer, then the odds are good that she was never going to do it at that price in the first place.
I've negotiated too many of these to count over the years and it has never been my experience that a girl who thinks her efforts are worth $y will only accept a lower $x if I get the jump on her. In fact, IMO this belief also stems from negotiating insecurity not too dissimilar to that displayed by sexmeplease. As long as you handle it with a little tact, an otherwise willing girl will not turn down a good payday just because a guy doesn't bite on a pie-in-the sky number. If a girl turns down a reasonable counter-offer, then the odds are good that she was never going to do it at that price in the first place.
For reference, I negotiate $$$,$$$ deals daily and I am not shy about money. I never actually expected the “all night” time limit to actually be “all night.” Just wanted to measure what you guys were seeing.
Meat and AZDD, since you guys are local to me, is the $300-$400 number for a younger prettier girl or older lady offering extras only in the back type. I agree that the 7 I am talking with is hotter than the average pump and dump on listcrawler...
Then she was never going to do it for $300 no matter what you said or how you pitched it. $1,000 is high pretty much anywhere in the country. For some reason she had you pegged for a mark.
I'd stay put - not uncommon for dancers to come around to a fair offer if they are interested in OTC. but it seems like she was just looking to $core by hustling you.
Pricing can be all over the map, at least the initial offer. I had a dayshift dancer quote me $1200 for OTC, and then got defensive when I suggested that her price was way above market. “You get what you pay for” was her indignant response. I mentioned $500 to another incredibly hot night shift dancer, and she laughed and said 500 would be for dinner! But later she said “we’ll talk”, which I thought sounded like her softening her position. For some reason I have not pursued that dancer further for OTC, although I still get dances from her. She hasn’t brought it up, so I don’t think she was serious anyway. I have affirmative OTC conversations from maybe a half dozen Phoenix dancers, that due to my scheduling difficulties, I have not had a chance to seal the deal, or learn that they weren’t serious to begin with.
I also recognize that the hottest girls probably get OTC offers all the time, especially at a club like Bourbon Street, where the night shift parking lot is usually filled with Ferraris and Bentleys. I know rich guys can be notoriously cheap, but I’m sure there are some that wouldn’t think twice about laying out a grand to fuck one of the Bourbon hotties. That reality changes the market dynamic for the rest of us mere financial mortals, unless you can be seen as a regular that will bring repeat business. Good luck out there, happy hunting and negotiating!
Just as a side note, when I do get quoted high prices first, I've found that the girls who ask high prices respond VERY poorly to "your price is way above market" type arguments. These girls know they're above market, believe they deserve it, and think you're a peasant for not agreeing. A basic response where my demeanor is basically that I could see why she could get that kind of price, hell I could imagine her getting double, but unfortunately my budget is $X, is the approach I've been most successful with. Stroke her ego, give her some reason to think she's being charitable and doing you a solid just because you're not a dick. Again, that could be a limitation of my own negotiating skill, maybe some guys can argue her down with market analysis or negging, but the few times I tried that, it ended so poorly that I don't do it that way.
Rare cases its an afternoon date at her house until she has to goto the strip club but those tend turn into needles, foil, and fucking sessions cuz she cant do foil at a night or strip club. If its a notel she will take off the smoke detector like a robo by pushing up a chair and freebase. Atleast she isn't a clock watcher & we get to chit chat while she uses.