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13 years ago
A Do Not Call list should be just that. Should not matter if it is a political call or a fundraiser not-fo-profit.
Rules are:
The registry only applies to residential lines, not to business lines.
A person may still receive calls from political organizations.
The organization Citizens for Civil Discourse has lobbied Congress to close this loophole by developing a National Political Do Not Call Registry where voters can register their phone numbers and ask politicians to take the "Do Not Contact Pledge". Its database is not backed by the force of law and as of November 2008, only 3 politicians running for office signed the pledge.
A person may still receive calls from not-for-profit organizations.
A person may still receive calls from those conducting surveys.
A person may still receive calls from companies with which he or she has an existing business relationship for up to 18 months after his or her last purchase, payment, or delivery from it, unless person specifically asks the company not to call again.
A person may still receive calls from a company up to 31 days[8] after submitting an application or inquiry to that company, unless the company is specifically asked not to call.
A person may still receive calls from bill collectors (either primary creditors or collection agencies). These callers are, however, regulated by other laws, such as those limiting them to calling during "reasonable hours." Some creditors may not call debtors who file for bankruptcy protection.
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13 years ago
Stiletto, that seems like it makes a great deal of sense to me.
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13 years ago
My advice to help you as you are learning is to get comfortable working with couples. There may not be as many in the club as solo males but as a rule we are good tippers and there is a lot less competition for couple business as many dancers won't dance for us. And, if that pic is you, your eyes and smile will make a lot of women relax.
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13 years ago
Lopaw - yes, but he is our idiot......LOL
Juice - love, love, love your answer. And now I am going to call a therapist because I agree with everything you said. :-)
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13 years ago
Thank God and my wife that I have to hide nothing......
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13 years ago
Our nearest club is in Elgin and is crappy. Call it about 40 minutes one way. There is also one in Romeoville that is probably the same distance. Based on reviews on TUSCL we have not wasted our time going there. The closest decent club for us is about 70 min away in no traffic.
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13 years ago
Hi,
This is mrs m00t here. Could someone who has done a massage parlor please send me a PM with what I could expect in a couples session? I was considering that for my husband's birthday in a month. Sorry to be so naieve ......
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13 years ago
2010 for us
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13 years ago
LOL at minnow. How did you know we drive a Lexus??? I have a little red SC and my hubby has a blue LS.
We like nice - clubs and cars. :-)
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13 years ago
Point taken, Che.
Have a great day! I have to quit wasting time on here and get the house cleaned and laundry done before mr m00t comes home.
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13 years ago
ALP, I seriously doubt the same types of clubs would appeal to us at all but I thank you for the invite.
Secondly, I thank the stars I am not married to you. I cannot imagine a partnership with anyone who spouts the crap you do.
Thirdly, mr m00t has his dick. We happen, by today's standards at least, to have a very traditional marriage where the wife still believes the husband is the head of the household.
Divorce occurs for a variety of reasons and most of them have nothing to do with what you seem to think it does. My first husband was no girly-man, for instance. He has a severe gambling and lying problem with some alcohol addiction thrown in for good measure to help make him meaner.
I am pretty sure my husband will take the time to respond tonight when he is home. I am quite sure he will give you a completely different perspective to consider.
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13 years ago
Che,
First of all, thank you for a well-written and thoughtful response. You do bring up some things I had not considered, among them the chance that the clubs we have chosen to visit are primarily in suburban locations and not large cities themselves (with the exception of NOLA which is an exception to almost everything). I grant that in Detroit, for example, the presence of a couple might be received very differently.
At least where we visit, the age thing does not seem to be a factor as there are almost always all ages in the clubs. Clubs around here don't usually admit 18-21. Must be 21 to get in most of them. Nor would I agree that "most" couples have women that have been bullied into it. Of the clubs we have visited, that has been evident once, suspected once (she set him up and I guess did not want him to like it as some sort of pre-wedding test. Dumb woman.), but most of the couple appear to be having a very good time together while there. In a fair number of them the woman is the one doing almost all the interaction and he shells out the bucks. We tend to be a rarity, I think, cause I tend to buy dances for my hubby (especially the annoying dollar dances one club we frequent offers. I hate those things - they tell you nothing.)
I agree that it takes a special dancer to work with couples. As some have put it for us, the chance of it going badly are far greater than a solo male customer. That being said, we have found two types of dancers that are common and a third that is much less common in our visits. There are those dancers who will not even approach and will not show up at your table for a private dance even when tipped and asked to stop by (happened to us at PH in NOLA a year ago), those who are bi themselves and enjoy the change of pace in dancing with a couple (particularly the female) and the third type you describe as those who will take your $ but be uncomfortable. Just as not every dancer appeals to us, we understand that a couple will not appeal to every dancer. It does seem that the dancers who dance for couples will gravitate to them but that could also be a competition for business thing.
Yes, I do recognize that many upscale clubs exist to mainly allow the dancers "fresh meat" for their OTC activities. And, after our most recent visit to NOLA, we now understand that so do some of the awful skanky ones. (Big Daddy's and Dixie Divas to be exact)
As far as the spending comment, we have had strippers repeat the price for the dances we got and had to explain the rest was a tip, comment on how great the tip was and offer us a "thank you dance" at no charge and buy us a round of drinks after the session. So, maybe that is more a statement about us than about couples in general.
Again, thank you for a well-written response. This is what discussions are supposed to be like. Nice how no one has resorted to name-calling or pissy behavior on this one.
mrs m00t
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13 years ago
Leonard313, I submit it is entirely possible for a happily married couple to frequent strip clubs together. Just as I submit that it is possible for a happily married couple to view porn together. Neither means their relationship is not fullfilling or that they are not happy together and want something else. It means that they choose to explore their sexuality together and together experience everything the two of them deem as appropriate or safe within their relationship.
ALP- What I have a problem with in your statement is (well, pretty much everything in your post but I will only address this one) "being good to your wife in front of her....listen to her bullshit." If that is a true reflection of your feelings, you have no idea what "being good" to someone means. If you love and are good to someone, you don't see what they want to talk with you about as bullshit. Nor do you believe being good to someone means only the things you do while in their company or, as you say, "in front of her."
You say you have been married for 12 great years. I assume that means your spouce knows you visit clubs and what goes on there and that you do not hide or lie about it. If that is the case and she has no problem with it, then fine. If you hide it or lie about how much you spend or what you do, then shame on you. The only reason for you to do so would be because you know she would have an issue with it.
Marriage is a partnership, of which, by Bibilcal command, the man is at the head. That does not give him carte blanche to do whatever he wants. In fact, it means exactly the opposite, that he is to consider his spouce's feelings and needs before his own. And, yes, I am sure I will take some flack because I refer to a Biblical command on TUSCL. And I really don't care. Partners do things together: when trouble ensues is when one partner believes they can do something (anything) knowing the other partner would have a problem with it.
And I am sure you have all guessed by now this is mrs m00t. What you probably don't know is that you would get a far harsher sentence from mr m00t than from me. LOL
Have a great day!
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13 years ago
Disagrees completely that couples at a club turn other customers off. At least in our experience, the tips go up for the girls on stage when we sit there, the guys buy dances from dancers that sit with us and we have had more than one customer take a dancer to VIP telling us his bi-fantasy was stoked by watching the dancer with us. My wife has had lap dances bought for her so that they might watch as well.
Also, just because the customers are in the place does not mean they are spending. Ask the dancers. They will have a better take on it. Couples in a club usually spend, I would guess.
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13 years ago
deogol - Don't forget to play the "race card" too. :-)
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13 years ago
From the outside looking in: I would add that SC sell fantasy. Swingers clubs deal in reality. In a swinger club people chose who they are going to be wih based on mutual physical attraction. In a SC setting the reality is that without cash that woman would not give most clients the time of day.
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13 years ago
Che - an NO I am no expecting them to modify anything for me. I just want to know what their set up going in is. VERY few of the clubs we have been too offer very much difference in pricing between dancers at the same club. And I have never felt as if they thought I was out of line to ask or been treated rudely when I have called. I usually just get the standard, "We don't give out that info over the phone."
The exception was IS in IN which readily told me over the phone what their pricing was. What they neglected to let me know was that unless one was paying for VIP there was NO place for a couple to have a dance at the same time. SO, while they bill themselves as a couple club and even have free admission for couples on some nights a week, it is not IMO a couple-friendly club due to set up and seating.
Nor is it realistic to expect that a reviewer on TUSCL that flies solo will see things that couples want to know. The goals for the evening are usually miles apart.
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13 years ago
Che - I think you missed the boat on my comment. I don't care at all if the dancer pics are on the page or updated. I am looking for the specific layouts of the club, what the seating is like in the private dance areas, if they even are private.
For a customer (sorry Lopaw) regardless of gender who visits a club ALONE as opposed to a couple, the physical layout of the club may not be that important. I can assure you from the private messages as well as the comments we get on here from other couples that they ARE important. Very important.
In a time when SC owners are seeking to increase revenues by attracting a different type of clientele, it is a small thing that can make a big difference. Maybe in City of Industry or some other locals the clubs don't find the need to try and attract couples but here in Chicago (as well as some of the WI and NOLA clubs we have visited) there is a definite trend in that direction. At one club we were even approached by management and asked (mrs m00t specifically) what it was that helped us decide to come there. I was then given two free dance coupons as well. We also got a complete tour of the club which we did not see happening with any of the male customers. (It is also possible they were mainly regulars as it was our first time to the club.)
FYI: we have been told by two different dancers in different states that management won't give out dancer schedules because of too much jealous crap that goes on - both from the dancer side and from the SO/wife/GF side. And given what we witnesse our first visit to Club O, I can see how that could be an issue.
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13 years ago
Respectfully disagrees with Lopaw. Websites may not be important for experienced male customers. They are important for couples, women and those new to the hobby. Knowing the layout of the club, for instance, helps one to determine in advance if VIP is a good idea. Don't mean any offense but most posters on TUSCL are not looking for the same type of experience we are so a photo goes a long way in helping us to determine if we want to even pay $40 in cover. For instance, if there are no areas for two people to sit and have a dance outside of VIP I want to know that going in as mr and I never do dances solo. (I set him up for some once and it totally backfired. Not arousing at all and I never got to enjoy it either.)
If every club was filled to capasity every night and dancers were making $ hand-over-fist I would be inclined to agree. However that is not the case. Seems to me that spending a few $ on a website is a much less expensive way than a "free buffet" to encourage visitors and find new patrons.
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13 years ago
LOL @ mr m00t. How did I know that?
MY tastes are more discriminating.....
#1 Face - attractive and well made-up with groomed hair
#2 Boobs - natural, relatively small and perky please
#3 Legs
#4 Proportioned and Toned
#5 NO tattoos or facial piercings (ears are fine, belly button is fine, nothing else please)
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13 years ago
1) Boobies
2) Tits
3) Breasts
4) Tatas
Some days the order of importance changes tho.
Mr. m00t
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13 years ago
LOL @ Gatorfan. You are probably more accurate than you know! Or maybe SC are for couples who like to believe themselves sexually adventurous but are really little chickens!
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13 years ago
Sounds like harrassment to me. Did anyone call OJ and offer him a job as a male dancer?
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13 years ago
CT, I find your response confusing. The comment you quote is relative in the article to the swinger clubs not the strip clubs. If it is the strip clubs, then the activity is NOT limited to the patrons as the "gal" would be an employee of the club. Or at least a self-employed contractor. If you are referencing a monetary negotiation between two patron of the swinger club, then it is not a swnger club at all as those do not allow money to change hands which is part of their draw.
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13 years ago
First of all, let me clarify that the m00ts are not swingers. That being said, I am not completely shocked that now a government is going to try and step in and regulate morality one step farther than a SC. Am I in favor of it? NO.
Bottom line is that the swingers clubs are private membership clubs - however they choose to define "private." As long as they break no criminal laws, I have no problem with them. No one goes there and is unaware of what will or won't happen. Nor do these clubs usually serve alcohol. At least from what I have read on the internet, they are exclusively BYOB or juice bars.
At least from the one person (a former co-worker) I happen to know partakes of this lifestyle, however, the article is erroneous in one assertion. "He noted “services†are not provided by owners of the clubs. “The activity is carried out by the patrons,†he said in an e-mail." I would disagree with that statement on at least a partial basis. In IL many of the clubs were started by swingers who do indeed partake in the activities. Nor would I agree with the term "services" as that implies money changes hands in exchange for sex. My understanding is that the membership fees are just that and whether one elects to participate in any sexual activities or not is completely optional and often times do not even take place on the club site.
oh, this was mrs m00t who is bored because mr m00t is working again......pout, pout