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13 years ago
Club O in Harvey, IL. To answer Vikings questions on cost, it runs about the same as you. $30 for one song in a semi-private room with two way touching. Depending on the dancer that can include all areas at Club O or everything but the kitty. In VIP, the rules are relaxed from that but you will pay heavily - around $350 for half an hour plus bouncer tip of at least $100 - but that gets you left alone in a private curtained room.
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13 years ago
Ok this has been post-poned until Friday due to circumstances beyond my control.....So, if you are inteested drop us a note.
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13 years ago
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Papi_ChuloMiami, FL (or the nearest big-booty club)
From mrs m00tpoint - If they are dressed that way in public, they want to be looked at. Take it from a woman...
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13 years ago
Ummmm, travelguy, MOST women (wives included) are sluttier on tequilla..... LOL
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13 years ago
I agree with rickdugan. If she had already moved from OTC to ITC she was going to suggest cooling it anyway. Your dances with the competition just gave her a public excuse for doing it.
Crap like this is why I hate working with women.....although I also agree with GMS that people in general can be pretty wacked on any given day under the right set of circumstances - women in general terms seem to be really, really good at it. Even me.
mrs m00tpoint
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13 years ago
Nyet. Seriously? No one would take losing that amount of money that calmly and just be willing to let it go. Not to mention, they just joined and have 1 review? Flagged....
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13 years ago
I think it is not necessary to go to the trouble of seeing how many reviews someone has posted. As many have indicated, it is not always indicative of how much club experience they have. We find that usually comes through loud and clear in the writing of the review itself. All in all, we use TUSCL to find out if a particular club is likely to give US the kind of experience we seek which is not usually what most posters on here are seeking. (IE, couples' experience) So, a poster who says he visited with his wife or SO gets far more weight in our book than someone who visits solo regardless of how many posts because we are looking for a more similar experience.
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13 years ago
We always updated when there was an option but it never seemed to matter as we never saw the pricing change.
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13 years ago
Agrees wholeheartedly with rickdugan.
The number of reviews a poster has does not matter at all to us. A poster who has 100 reviews of two or three line that don't tell us anything means nothing to us. We want details that would help someone who has not been to that club before, has been a long time ago and wants to know if something has changed or who goes regularly and wants to know if their experience there is the "norm" or an anomoly - good or bad. In other words, if we choose to go and spend our money there what are we most likely to be buying? We put thought into our reviews (as well as all our posts) and wish others would do the same. The point of a review is to be informative. Not everyone who writes a review will be looking for the same things but certain things are consistently important. For insance, how private are the private dance areas?
Reviews that are all run-on sentences, use improper English or tons of degrading language reflect poorly on the reviewer not necessarily the club. We don't believe a misspelled word here or there but at least make the post readable!
As far as info in the basic club listing, does anyone know how frequently that is changed? I ask because a couple of the clubs we have been to recently had very different pricing for both dances and drinks than what was posted on here. We were not the only poster who mentioned the drink prices in our review but the pricing still seemed to reflect the old one.
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13 years ago
You know, I think the Palomino has pick up so it really doesn't matter to us if it is hard to find. I have a particular interest for anything mob related and I believe that the Palomino has some mob history so we will probably at least check it out.
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13 years ago
I don't know much of anyone who likes lawyers.....
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13 years ago
Cool! $ for the tip rail in Vegas.....
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13 years ago
Leonard313, some of what you say is valid. However, asserting that the average person won't see a million dollars in their lifetime is simply erroneous. In order to have earned a million dollars, for instance, at age 25 if one begins saving a modest $300 a month one will have saved a million dollars by age 65. By age 35 one would need to save around $800 a month. So, from what a lot of people post on here, simply take the $ you are dropping at the clubs and invest it and you will be there.
And most who make 20 million don't pay 27%. Don't know where you got your figures or if you are just spouting liberal media BS but we don't make anywhere near that and we are in the 33% bracket. (which btw begins at around 250,000.) If they are in the 27% bracket with that kind of income, I wanna know who their accountant is so I can hire 'em.
mrs m00tpoint
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13 years ago
Priceline is great for the Chicago area too. Downtown, for instance, you can usually get the Hilton across from Grant Park (overlooks Buckingham Fountain and the lake) or the Drake for between $70-90 on name your own price.
Has anyone ever used name your own price for airfare?
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13 years ago
Juice, You need to learn to read. The author of the post is claiming that most TUSCL members would have a problem with the assertion that "nothing really happens." Or, to make it simpler for ya, there are a whole lot of guys (and a lesser number of girls0 that would say a lot happens.
Shadowcat, do you mean you think journalists aren't biased and really don't research their material? Or that they seek one source and think that applies to all? Oh, my! Say it aint so! However can we trust what they tell us is news?!
And besides, since when can ZERO = more often than not? Even the editors are asses at this publication!
mrs m00tpoint
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13 years ago
GMD - I was not implying anything at all. I believe what I said was clear.
No difference between this stripper and all the men (or women) on here that visit the clubs without the knowledge of their SO......
mrs m00tpoint
The subset is "all men or women on here who visit clubs without the knowledge of their SO'......
Obviously I know that ALL on here are not without knowledge of their partner's activities since I certainly consider mr m00tpoint and myself as a subset of ALL. LOL
And, yeah, aint it grand not to have to sneak around and tell lies - even if by omission?
mrs m00tpoint
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13 years ago
Why don't you simply try being honest? And if you can't be, then you shouldn't be there.
mrs m00tpoint
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13 years ago
Doesn't apply to us as any club we were to even think about doing OTC would be far enough from home we would already have booked a room for us anyway. We always use Crowne Plaza though for personal use as they have the best points reward system out there. Two years ago when we did NOLA the expensive nights (New Years Eve and Sugar Bowl dates) were "reward" nights for us. Saved us over $1000.They have no blackout dates which is rare and they also will upgrade Platinum members even on reward night rooms if they have availability (which they did because we were already in the upgraded room the week before the reward nights kicked in.)
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13 years ago
Juice - it is a bad idea if you are a business that has made your name on exceptional customer service. When you go into another country you can't count on a totally new staff to understand from a customer service perspecive your expectations. That in turn impacts your brand recognition in more than the new country in this day because of the internet. Or the customers that supported your US based company don't have the same experience now that they are being served in theirs. Lose-Lose
Cheo - agree that is some of it.
Oh, and Juice, what time Johnny needs to leave depends on how far it is from the SC where he usually stops in before lunching....and how afraid he is of pissing off Sally if he is late. :-)
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13 years ago
No difference between this stripper and all the men (or women) on here that visit the clubs without the knowledge of their SO......
mrs m00tpoint
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13 years ago
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Papi_ChuloMiami, FL (or the nearest big-booty club)
We like dancers of all ethnicities. Mrs m00t is far pickier than mr m00t. (Ok, well basically if it has boobs.....) LOL
However, visual contrast is an automatic perk for us. Since mrs is blonde, blue eyes and big boobs that means ladies of color, latinas, red heads and dark haired mavens get the first look from us. The mrs in particular likes the exotic look.
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13 years ago
Juice - You got confused here. It is not about DOING good or bad but BEING good or bad. One is a state of birth and one takes an act on our part. I am sure this is a theological difference that will escape many. Along the lines of being able to participate in one's own salvation.....
And I agree with Tiredtraveler, nothing that comes out of Washington is honest. Doesn't matter which party is spewing it - it's all pretty much crap. Just have to determine which crap is more palatable and swallow hard.
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13 years ago
Farmerart,
First of all, let me clarify that I am not denigrating either country. I do not like, and have not for many years, the direction the US has been taking either politically or economically. I have no bones to pick with Canada either. I will point out that neither of us has to worry about the post we make on TUSCL ending up with us being interrogated and detained for speaking our thoughts which is still not true in a bunch of countries around the world today. We at least agree that the US does not have a "great leader" right now, nor, IMO, is one likely to come out of the batch of idiots running for the job this time around either. I have long said anyone who was likely to be really good at the job would be too damn smart to run for it. That being said, the reality is that Canada has several issues that have been averted by their concentration of oil and low population. The government royalties on their oil have covered what would otherwise be huge deficits (although I will admit nothing like our current president can seem to spend). Not saying that is not fair or that they should be ashamed of it. Just that it is what it is.
Statistics mean very little to me. I am of the belief that one can find a statistic to support pretty much whatever one wants to claim. For instance, you are correct in that the Canadian Life Expectancy at Birth and infant mortality rates are now lower in Canada than in the US. However, why is that? Could it be because Canada's nationalized health care system pays for genetic testing so that the "weaker' or "less than perfect" babies are aborted before birth? Since Canada does not recognize the fetus as an infant, those stats don't impact infant mortality rate. Could it be because third trimester abortions, which are not done in most Canadian provinces (and good for them) are sent to the US where those stats don't count? You also say tax rates are less. Well, maybe the national one is but the provincial rates are all higher than our highest state tax so I am not sure we are comparing apples and apples. Here in the USA state tax rates seem tied to governmental regulations as well. CA, for instance, the most restrictive of any of our states is also the highest tax rate. IL seems hell-bent on following in their footsteps if recent years are any indication. So, rather than use empty numbers, I am going to talk to you about real life people that I know or with whom I have had direct personal contact.
I agree our current health system, and indeed much of the government, is currently not working well. However, I submit that NEVER in the history of any country have government intervention, subsidies and regulation worked well for much of anything. Want to increase the hoops someone has to jump through? Make it a governmental program. Want to increase the length of time it takes to get anything done? Put the government in charge of running it. Want to ensure that an individual is over looked in the interest of "standard operating procedures"? You get the idea. The more the government runs and controls its citizens, the more socialist the country. The more a people depend on the government for basic life needs, the more socialist it is by intentional design. This is why I so hate and resist Obama's vision for America.
Socialism is not defined by the intricacy of a country's tax code, the amount of taxes paid or the national debt. Socialism is about how much influence the government has (or takes) in determining what an individual citizen can do and the means for which they can provide for/care for themselves. When all of the doctors, for instance, in a country are required to participate in the government health care system, what choice does a patient have if they need an operation but are put on a wait list for years and years or if, God forbid, the agency running the health care system decides they are not a good candidate for the surgery because the cost outweighs the quality or quantity of life the patient has left? None. They can, I guess, go to Mexico or, as you assert, to the US if they can afford it.
You assert "Health services are delivered much more efficiently as a result." ?? Try telling that to the family that was put on the wait list for tests to find out what was wrong with their 36 yr old wife and mother of three. She was told it would be 2.5 years before she could get the brain scan to even find out what was wrong with her. They flew to Helena, MT (not exactly the medical capital of the US let alone the world) because they had the type of equipment needed to do the scan. Her tumor was found and removed and she was home back in Canada in 6 weeks. And, yes, my husband personally met this family because he was in the same hospital with my step-son who had just had open heart surgery and ended up in ICU at the same time.
I have to say I personally know of no one who has gone to Canada for health care. If you happen to know of some, I would be willing to be enlightened. I DO, however, know Canadians who came to the USA. (Several of them worked for my former employer in our Canadian stores in both Calagary and Toronto.) I DO know US people who went to Mexico, Costa Rica and even India for medical care. I don't mean 'know of' or heard about, I mean personally know. I am not throwing anecdotes or empty statistics. I am talking real people with real medical problems who had to make a choice in whether to get medical treatment, sell their house (assuming they could have sold it when they needed the treatment), or to just give up. Not one of them considered going to Canada and they could not afford it here. Lose-lose in my book.
As far as my statement about Canada being more socialist than the US, I stand by it. One thing I should have done was differentiate between political socialism, economic socialism and socialistic programs. For that I apologize. Neither the US nor Canada has an openly socialist political system. (Although the US is at the closest it has ever come with Obama at the helm. He believes, despite some rhetoric to the contrary that he throws out at times, that the government is responsible for providing for its people. He wants the US government to be the employer of the majority of people or he would not be all about creating more government agencies and departments for jobs. He would free that $$ up for small business owners and business expansion.) Until 1950 Canada was much more socialist than it is today. It was under Brian Mulroney Canada that began adopting free market policies. Whether that movement from the 50’s will continue is up for grabs since in 2011 the social democratic party the New Democratic Party gained a significant number of seats in the Canadian federal election. That party now controls roughly 1/3 of the federal seats in Canada.(102/308) That is certainly not true of the political system in the USA.
Like Farmerart, we are small business owners. I wager we are even smaller than he because we employ only two employees currently. Sometimes that goes up if we need to hire someone for a short-term project but normally there are two - three of us. We would, by definition, be exempt from Obama-care because of our number of employees. I can’t really address how much more difficult or how expensive that health care plan would be from our perspective because we just don’t have any info on it yet. What I can tell you is how hard it was for a NON-Canadian company to be able to set up shop in Canada. I was on the team which did the assessments before we built our first store/warehouse in Calgary. Canada is not a free business country. For instance, if a US based/owned company goes into Canada, they cannot bring in more than x amount of their own employees. They must hire Canadians. The only exception is if the Canadian government will give them an exception for a field in which there are no Canadians remotely suitable for the job. In addition, if it is deemed acceptable to bring in a US worker to do the job, only one person in that family may work. The time that worker may stay in Canada to work is limited to 6-12 months (depending on the field). The length of time is whatever is determined by the Canadian government to be necessary to train a Canadian to do the job. That is not a free market policy.
As a general rule, countries built on the French revolution philosophy of “"Egalité, Liberté, Fraternité" – which overthrew absolutism and ushered industrialization into French society, are promoted as essentially socialist societies despite the fact that they have had to adopt at least some free-market strategies.
Thanks for an interesting and non-name-calling discussion.
Mrs m00tpoint
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13 years ago
In order to support Libertarianism, one must subscribe to the mindset that man is intrinsically good. This simply is not the case. We are all sinful people with everything that entails. Psalm 51:5 states, "For I was born a sinner--yes, from the moment my mother conceived me." NIV translation.
Art - yet Candadians cross our borders for medical care because the Canadian government-run medical system won't give them treatment or they can't even get off the wait list to see a doctor. A Canadian (or European for that matter) saying America is headed Socialist is laughable as Canada is alread most of the way there. Regardless of your assertions, the USA was not founded on governmentatl regulations. In fact, when things started changing is when the government decided their responsibility was to "care for" its citizens instead of govern them. We can thank a Democrat for that. Republicans have been trying to get back to less regulation, more free enterprise ever since. Ronald Reagan took us in that direction. It is time to go there again.
What blows my mind is that a large percentage of the population respects Warren Buffet for his accomplishments yet does not seem to understand that Warren Buffett would not be where he is today if he had tried to build his business under an administration like Obama's. You got one thing right, we are moving in the wrong direction. I only hope the lemmings that allowed the media to tell them who their next savior was going to be (and was dreadfully wrong) will start to think for themselves, take a look at history and use some of the brain cells they were given before checking a box or pushing a button on the computer screen.
mrs m00tpoint
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13 years ago
And everyone should care as those calls are coming soon to your state. Some days we get hit with over 20 calls because there are three registered voters in my household. Sometimes the same darn auto-dialer calls all three of us within minutes of each other. Darn annoying!