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2 years ago
I've seen it a few times, mostly butt plugs. But some states or cities may have regulations that bar using sex toys on stage or anywhere in the club.
I have seen dancers offer to use one in VIP with me, and the few times I agreed it was a great experience - for her. I found it a bit boring.
On the flip side, I have upgraded my official "PL Club Kit" to include a mini-spray bottle of lube (search Amzn). It fits into a short (maybe 3.5 inches) metal case with a cap so a casual looker might think it's a lighter or breath spray. I added it after a dancer offered a HJ to me in VIP and it didn't go well. She had no lube, could not seem to understand the concept of using spit and I was starting to chafe (ouch!). I even offered a decent additional tip to upgrade to oral, but that was past her personal limit. So; plus points for enthusiasm but minus points for (lack of) technique.
OTC is a totally different story. I have accumulated a small collection of toys at home and offer them when it seems appropriate. I always make a point of showing her my collection right next to some professional cleaning fluid. This small investment has paid for itself several times over.
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2 years ago
Old Stripper Joke:
What does a stripper do with her asshole before she goes to work?
She drops him off at rehearsal.
Tada!!!
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2 years ago
Threesome math comes in two categories:
1. Twice* the cash for half the work. *Sometimes more than twice.
- Whether you recruit them both, or your current finds a 2nd, you will have to pay each the same to avoid appearing unfair. And you may have to pay a premium over your usual amount, if either or both consider it a bonus for you.
2. No additional costs.
- This happens when your current just digs threesomes, especially with a good friend and she feels like sharing you with her (and not sharing HER with you).
#2 Is obviously preferred but tends to only happen outside the p4p ecosystem.
BTW: Let's extend the topic to 4-somes (or more): IME, never worth it, and I've tried several times. The physical math, not to mention the financial math, doesn't work. No matter how many positions or angles & dangles you try, there will always be at least one woman on the side of the bed, just watching (or in all honesty, ignoring) you. Even the three Thai sisters I had in Amsterdam's RLD failed to live up to my full expectations. Not that I didn't enjoy it!
I have yet to convince or motivate an SB to bring a friend over, though a few have promised... But I am working on setting one up with 2 of my Porn Star SB's. So far, travel schedules have not allowed it, but both say they are excited to make it happen as neither has ever shot a scene with the other... Should be worth a 2x allowance for a multi-hour encounter. At least once.
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2 years ago
Strippers have as many phone numbers to give out as they have (fake) "real" names. An experienced stripper has learned to use a phone number just like they use an Instagram account for marketing.
Back in past, before burner numbers, Google Voice, etc., were around, many clubs frowned on strippers giving out their phone numbers for fear it would look like a vehicle for prostitution. Now, it can still be a vehicle for prostitution (fortunately!) but it's not such a problem if management sees it happen.
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2 years ago
Lot's of hate for sugar dating here. I suspect most of it is based on misconceptions about sugar relationships, their own personal demons from past relationships, or maybe they only choose to look for sugar horror stories and assume that that is the entire universe of sugar dating. It is not.
It is just as impossible to paint all sugar dating with such a wide, broken brush as it is to paint all strippers as ROB's.
I've had many, wonderful sugar relationships over the last 12 (yes twelve!) years. Some called me boyfriend, some called me "Daddy," some asked me for advice and help with real-world problems - and some called me a mark.
Not trying to change any minds. Just suggesting that opinions are like assholes: everyone has one and they all stink.
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2 years ago
Been there, done that, got the T-shirt.
The last time was at Treasures. The bucks were big, really big! The VIP for two costs double, plus double the mandatory VIP drinks, and VIOP tips. My girl got face-plant drunk since she only weighed 103 lbs. The dancer was accommodating with grinding and mutual topless touching, sucking and rubbing. I had a brief double make-out session before I realized my date was about to hurl. Just in time, the dancer suggested she help her to ladies' room. When she came back, the club manager offered a free limo ride back to our hotel. Tipped the driver $40.
Total out of pocket was well over $800 for a 20-ish minute experience. Not worth it - until the after-shower morning sex with my girl the next day.
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2 years ago
Several years back, I got a hat from Club Juanna in Florida. The club name was embroidered on the front, but nothing else. I wore the hat a lot during an 11-day Caribbean Cruise the next month. No one asked me about it.
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2 years ago
It's worth getting the experience - once. Same as going to AVN in Las Vegas - do it once.
Basically it's like going to any convention you've ever seen in a non-adult industry: Lots of small and some big booths, long lines of sweaty PL's waiting to pay $10 to $40 to take a pic with a celeb. Then 30 seconds later they queue up at the next booth. Vendors selling stuff and other interactive (all SFW) experiences. But all of these are with porn industry people and companies. Depending on the state and local laws of venue, some nudity may be allowed - but not often. And even then, it's the occasional nipple flash. There might be some local strip clubs pushing discount passes or an after-party. Bleh - these tend to massive sausage fests as the guys from the convention jam the clubs expecting to get laid and then being disappointed and drunk.
But to be clear, you won't get anything like a lap dance or VIP experience. As stated, some porn stars may escort on the side. BUT DO NOT ASK THEM at the event, or you will find yourself sprawled on your belly in the parking lot when the bouncers toss you out.
If you can connect and book with a PS provider, expect to pay at least $1k for the hour, with the average rates between $1.5k and $2.5k and so-called super stars might ask for as much as $3k+.
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2 years ago
Haven't been in SF for clubbing since 2016. So I'd trust the most recent reviews if they were posted this year.
But I can give you some timeless rules about SF clubs:
1. Do not get drunk in or before the club. You will be robbed. Especially true in the small clubs near Columbus and Broadway.
2. Beware the Fake BJ - when she lets her long hair fall down over her head and your junk and she just spits on her hands to give you a wet HJ.
Corollary: Rule #2 is generally encountered by PL's do not follow Rule #1.
3. As far as the dancer is concerned you are a LOCAL to the Bay Area. She will always triple (at least) her extra's pricing for visiting businessmen and tourists. Spend some time with a map to pick a "home" location (like Palo Alto, South SF, or east Bay) and get familiar with the landmarks and major streets in that area to support your cover story.
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2 years ago
If she did not specifically agree in advance to something for/to you, you have no reason to expect her to do it.
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2 years ago
None of the Strip Burlesque/Topless shows are likely to provide any real "spank-worthy" memories for you, unless you can JO to the Victoria's Secret catalog. These are professionally produced stage shows that will lean much more to "tasteful nudity=art" than grinding tits in your face and rubbing snatch on your junk like you will get at a strip club like Treasures.
The showgirls on the strip are professional dancers, professionally trained, and generally not strippers nor hookers on the DL (unless you are ridiculously rich and a known Vegas "Whale").
So what are you really looking for?
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2 years ago
It was inevitable:
I think it's now rather common for strippers to read online strip club forums like this one and S_Web. Since the term is commonly used online, it's going to show up in the club.
I remember a time when PL's would NEVER risk mentioning the existence of sites like this, or in the Los Angeles are a certain Z-site with bones. If a stripper found out you were reading and posting online, she'd be pissed.
Now, I see strippers just ask me if I've seen their reviews. I've gotten pretty good at feigning complete ignorance.
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2 years ago
I've heard it from time to time. But I've never seen a dancer proactively offer me "extras" before I even hinted about what I was looking for.
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2 years ago
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TFPAdventures of Assjobman
This! This is why we can't have nice things in the club. :p
This guy should never get so drunk in a club that he can't function. He's a moron for not staying in control.
This dancer trying to excuse her behavior as shrewd business practices, is the reason why there is so much vitriol about skanky dancers who prey on guys. She didn't TRY to rip him off, but she had no hesitation taking advantage of a drunk man.
If he was obviously drunk, why did she even give him a price? Is this the first (drunk or sober) PL who tried to whip it out? I doubt it.
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2 years ago
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ilbbaicnlKeep it in my pants when I do OTC. If I were a stripper it would stand for I like big bucks and I can not lie.
House Moms are not that common in California/Los Angeles. This is especially true with AB5 requiring all dancers to be employees - though not all clubs have complied with AB5 yet.
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2 years ago
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TiburonEvery woman's local ATM while in da club? How else they paying for their Boob jobs?
Most of my clubbing experience has been in $20 per song clubs. I have found a few - mostly in the South - that had $5 or $10 dances with no back room and I just let her freestyle for a long time. But I haven't see $10, let alone $5 dances in years.
If I'm getting $20 dances and really liking it, once we hit the third dance, I'm moving it to a VIP for all the reasons you can think of. And if I'm still liking her in VIP, I'm going to try to upgrade her to OTC or Sugar Baby status.
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2 years ago
As a friend from another board likes to say:
"I will beg for pussy, and I will pay for pussy. But I will not beg to pay for pussy."
If she's not interested in me, I move on to the next hot stripper, even if that stripper is in the next club.
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2 years ago
Quote: "Herbcat, i just dont feel comfortable asking her for anything or being affiliated with her at all. We had a deal, iin the first 3 dances regarding the nipple play. Suddenly , halfway through the 4th final dance, she suddenly changes her mind, starts slapping my hands lightly and says stop you’re activating my nipple. Her nipples were extremely hard but I thought they always are, I don’t remember. And she didnt have any issue squirting milk the previous several dances."
If this is true just stop going to strip clubs all together. You are either too immature or you lack the social skills necessary to communicate with sex workers. Maybe it's time to take up stamp collecting, or get a goldfish?
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2 years ago
Mutual consent can be revoked at any time - even if she's a stripper whose nipples are in your mouth.
Lactating women experience physiological changes from day to day, and even hour to hour.
If you have an established relationship (as a return customer) with her and you didn't ask after the dance if she is OK, then you are making assumptions with less than perfect information.
Yes, we are all full-scale perv PL's, and dancers are sex workers. But PL's and strippers are real people with real life stresses. She's not a coin-operated titty-suck vending machine.
My advice: go back to the club and show some empathy. Then ask her if she is still comfortable with the "old" behaviors
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2 years ago
Yaaaawn... Well that certainly put me in my place. Good job, Scrubby.
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2 years ago
@Daily_Grind re: inconsiderate bitches - true. These are also the inconsiderate bitches who tell you they will swallow, then spit it all into your shorts instead - which is probably a topic for a new discussion thread! LOL
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2 years ago
You can find anything you want in Vegas - for a price.
Here's the best advice I can give you:
1. Read the Vegas club reviews here, at least for the top 8 clubs (by number of reviews). Read all of the reviews since the COVID reopening - around January, 2022 to get the current context of what your club experience will be like.
2. Skip the Strip/Hotel burlesque shows - that's anywhere up to $300+ per seat for a show you can see on Cinemax. Not worth it.
3. And this is the MOST IMPORTANT advice I have: Do not take your wife to any strip club. It will not go well - ever.
Have fun!
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2 years ago
This is an important decision, and it's good for all of us. FOSTA/SETSA passed largely due to the sponsors deliberate conflagration of sex work, human trafficking, and underage exploitation as interconnected and all part of a global criminal enterprise.
There should be absolutely NO dissent here that human trafficking and underage exploitation are evil and must be eliminated from the planet.
Sex work for adults is founded on the concept of mutual consent and must stand alone as constitutionally protected free speech and privacy (though privacy rights have recently been eroded).
The unintended (or intended for the anti-sex-work assholes) consequences of FOSTA/SETSA have made sex work in the US much more dangerous, while actually enabling criminals to conduct trafficking and underage exploitation with less risk of being exposed, caught and prosecuted by LE.
If you can't support the requirement that strip clubs share some of the burden to ensure they are not inadvertently enabling, if not actively trying to prevent, underage exploitation and human trafficking, then you need to take serious time-out and consider your core values and beliefs.
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2 years ago
You will have more success hiring an escort for this. Many are happy to role play and understand that guys have fantasies they want to experience. Some escorts will actually be really into the idea of helping you live your dream. It will cost you more than getting OTC from a stripper since you are probably going to need to book multiple hours the escort's time, but you will likely be much happier with the results.
Generally, strippers - even during OTC - want to get you off in the least amount of time, then go on to the next PL.
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2 years ago
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rickduganVerified and Certifiable Super-Reviewer
You did the right thing, Rick. And now you have $400 to spend on a better choice. I usually (not always) won't even try to get an OTC date until we have had at least some ITC fun 1st. That way, I know she's likely to delivery and she knows I'm likely to pay.
But I had to lose several thousand dollars over my 1st 10-ish PL years before I was able to learn the lesson. It's the same in the sugar-dating world, too. If she demands the allowance 1st, we don't have a meeting of the minds and lack the trust needed to have a lasting arrangement. Ironically, when I do have to toss out a 1st time SB for this, I usually head to my nearest extras club and drop "her" allowance on the 1st hot stripper that can get me into VIP for ITC fun.
As for safety when meeting for OTC (or a sugar date), I try to pick a location where I can see her entering the property - and so see how she got there. If it's my home, my Ring cameras tell me everything I need to know. If I'm at a hotel, I'll try to be in the lobby when she arrives, or at least peek down the hallway before I close the door. And of course, LOCK the door, throw the deadbolt, etc. before you get started.