Comments by FONDL (page 10)

DickJohnson, if we didn't share some common interests and if she wasn't intelligent and I didn't enjoy conversation with her, I wouldn't invite her out to lunch or dinner in the first place. Personally I enjoy talking to people whose backgrounds and opinions are different from my own, that's the way to learn something. Talking to people whose backgrounds are the same as mine gets to be boring because you know exactly what they're going to say, the conversation requires no thought.

MisterGuy, Show-n-Tell Showbar in Philly also offers bed dances. Unless it's changed, the cost is so much per minute, not per song. They also have regular LDs.

Wondergirl, you don't have to be dating. If I enjoy spending time with a particular girl why wouldn't I go somewhere else within reason to do so? I totally agree with Imnumnutz, seeing a specific girl (assuming there's one whose company I particularly enjoy) is the only reason to go to any club. I've never felt any loyalty to a club, but I have followed a specific dancer whose company I particularly enjoyed. I've found it to be a whole lot easier to change clubs than to find a new girl who I like.

I'm curious, how does the law define what is and is not a strip club? What's to keep a club from redefining itself as something else, like maybe a gentlemen's spa, and offering similar services such as scantily clad hostesses, and instead of lap dances in back rooms offer massages? (I mentioned this possibility elsewhere not long ago.) I think if such laws become widespread that's exactly what will happen, especially in states that don't license massage therapists, which is about half of them.

I don't think the economy has had any adverse effect on the low end of the job market where most of these girls would be working if they weren't dancing. My guess is that employment at WalMart and McDonalds is as strong as ever. In fact in my neck of the woods they all have "help wanted" signs in the window. I know there are girls with college degrees dancing but I bet it's a pretty tiny percentage of the total. I don't think the strip club industry is very cyclical.

Njscfan, are you aware that you've become the most obnoxious person here? Why are you so quick to insult others but can't take it when someone insults you? It's becoming very tiresome. Thankfully there's an "ignore" button.

Shek, I don't think anyone here had any idea who he was talking about. I certainly didn't. I would hardly describe you as a "frequent poster" as he did, you haven't been here much in a very long time. But to get back to the original subject, I don't think you can single out strippers, I think this could happen with any girl you fool around with. And Wondergirl, I think you'll find that a lot of us here have had OTC relationships with strippers that didn't involve sex. You're making an untrue generalization (LOL).

Wondergirl, you are absolutely right. Unfortunately no one can possibly live without making unconscious generalizations all the time, it's how we make minor decisions without having to think about them, which is what you have to do otherwise you'd get bogged down in the minutia of life. The problem is when you begin to think that your generalizations are always true. Generalizations provide a useful frame of reference but you have to be willing to question them regularly. BTW, I knew that about your background, you told me that before. Hope you're feeling better.

Is there some way to search for a certain category of person (eg. massage therapist) on MySpace? And do you have to join to do it or to correspond with them? I thought about joining once but it seemed like all teenyboppers wallowing in their angst. Is there a better site for slighly older types?

I know of a club in rural PA (Pleasure Dome) where you rent the little private rooms for $20 a song, all of which goes to the House, and the girl expects an equal amount as her tip to dance for you. Fortunately the dances are really good and the girls are generally very attractive and friendly, so not many customers object. In fact I think it's one of the best clubs in the state, because you also get to sample each girls with $1 mini-dances on their tip walk, so by the time you take one in back you know what to expect.

Just a guess but I'd expect such laws to result in more, not less, illicit activities in and around clubs (eg. take-out), since the laws presumably make it more difficult for girls to make a good living by following the rules. As is often the case with laws like this, they're likely to have the exact opposite effect of that which the laws' supporters intended.

The only Latin girls who I've really liked in clubs all turned out to be Puerto Ricans. And what's even more amazing is that I encountered them all at the same club just north of Philly. And one of them hadn't even started dancing yet.

Wondergirl, wouldn't you have to depreciate them over their useful life? I wonder how long that is?

Based on discussions with a few dancers who I've known well, my guess is that most dancers don't file taxes at all, especially those who are young and don't expect to make a career of it. And those who do file taxes grossly underestimate their earnings. Just like other people who get a significant portion of their income in tips (eg. waitresses) do. To me it's one of the major reasons why we should eliminate the income tax, it's grossly unfair to people who are paid by check.

Depends entirely on the club - I try to follow the local custom. In general, where girls do a tip walk, I usually participate with every girl who comes by. In places where you have to get out of your seat to go tip them I'm more selective - I'll usually tip every girl if there's no dancer with me, but when there is I'm much more selective.

How come all the dj's in strip clubs are male? They often have female bartenders, why not dj's?

Wondergirl is part American Indian. So is my ATF. You'd never guess either one from their appearance.

If I owned a strip club in a state that did this, I'd change my business to a men's spa and have the girls entertain much as they do now but except I'd have them give massages instead of lap dances in the privagte rooms.

Many years ago I used to coach girls sports teams. Until I had a 12 yo girl on my team who was one of the best looking girls I've ever seen anywhere, and yes she did have the body of a 20 yo and could easily have gotten a job dancing at any club there is. And would have been one of their most successful girls. I quit coaching girls teams after that. The name Lolita comes to mind. Way too dangerous. Girls seem to mature physically at a much earlier age than they did when I was 12. Or maybe I just never noticed.

When someone moves and begins a new phase of their life, it's pretty common to cut ties with the old. I've known lots of friends who did that over the years, particularly when they're young (eg. how many of your high school or college friends are you still in contact with?) it doesn't mean there was never any friendship to begin with, it just means that they've decided to move on. Strippers aren't any different. You shouldn't take it personally because it isn't about you, it's about them. It always is.

When my ATF quit dancing, I followed her to her next job waitressing in a sports pub. But she called me and invited me to do so, and I was the only customer with whom she did so, which I think makes a big difference. And I agree wthat if she's your ATF she already knows she owns you so that consideration is irrelevant.

I've never understood what a 6 foot rule means. If she's sitting at a table with you, does she have to be 6 feet away? If you order a sandwich, does she have to toss it to you from 6 feet? And what about a drink? How is my female barber going to cut my heir from 6 feet away. And how about my massage therapist? I don't understand how a rule like that could possibly be enforced.

When I'm 97 I'd rather have a bunch of pleasant memories than a bunch of money that I have no use for. IMO having lots of money is WAY over-rated.

I think two of the key attractions of golf are that it's the one sport you can do all your life, and it doesn't require having others around you of nearly equal ability to enjoy it. Plus because it's expensive it keeps the riff-raff out, giving one a feeling of exclusivity. What else is a rich old fart going to do with his money, give it to some naked 19-year-old girl?

Good luck, my friend, you'll be back on the runway before yuo know it. And let us know when you do, we'll have a coming out party for your two new friends.