The spending question again

From my experience, girls will squeeze you for whatever they can. If you have an ATF, it's between you two. I had one for three years who limited me to 220 per visit with her. For that amount, I got everything but anal (which I don't seek anyway).

Strip club habit isn't much different from car habit or any other hobby -- the cost just varies all over the map. If you're strapped, you have to settle for a beater. If you won the lottery you might be choosing between Lexus and Mercedes. There's everything in between.

I can say that among my SC-going friends, $100 per week amounts to over $5000 per year and none of my friends approach that level. We might go for a $500 "SC binge" once or twice a year, at most. I guess we would be more in the "beater" category.

IMHO if you are spending $300 per week, I would say you are in the top 1% of all strip club attendees -- but not necessarily very high up on the scale of people who post on this site, because I get the impression that a few of your fellow posters blow over $1000 a week on this hobby.

In my own case, SC spending probably averages $200 per month. Yes, I'm a cheapskate. Mostly tip-at-the-rail and occasionally buy a girl a drink. Speaking of buying a girl a drink, I am trying to learn to REFUSE to do that, and instead just offer to give her the cash equivalent of a drink. But try to stall for a little while to see if she considers me more of a human being to visit with, or a walking ATM. Her free choice, my free choice.

Initially, I think it is important to compare apples to apples, not apples to oranges. Comparing yourself to other clubgoers who are engaged in fundamentally different activities is just meaningless. Some guys are going to SCs just to hang out, look at the girls, and get a few lap dances, and they are going infrequently. Obviously, they're not spending much money, maybe a couple hundred a month. For some guys, it is terribly important to be a "regular" and a BMOC at their favorite club. They're going all the time, and spending a couple hundred every visit, even though no sex is involved. They don't really want the sex, they just like feeling important and hanging out with their "friends." They could be racking up thousands of dollars a year. For me, I am using the clubs primarily as an alternative to escorts. I go infrequently, but when I go I am willing to spend $300 or so for full service. That's a fair deal compared to high quality escorts in my area, particularly given the convenience of the clubs. Then the cost basically comes down to how often I hobby a month. A guy who hobbies twice a month can easily start to spend thousands per year. I've had some hobbyists tell me they spend tens of thousands per year. Just look at my good buddy Eliot Spitzer.

In your case, it sounds like you basically have used the clubs as a portal to have a regular sex-for-money relationship with a particular dancer. It also sounds like she might be pressuring you for more money. Whether you have an unreasonably good gig or not depends somewhat on the frequency and nature of the sex, IMHO. If you are getting essentially vanilla sex (intercourse, blow job, maybe DATY) once per week, and get to cum once, then I think $300 per week is pretty fair, depending on where you live. Do some escorts charge more (or less) per session? Sure, but you are both benefiting from the convenience of the deal. She is getting a reliable, regular customer, and you are getting a reliable, regular provider.

On the other hand, if for your $300 per week you are banging her 2 or 3 times per week, and/or you are getting higher range activity (anal, ATM, bdsm, roleplay, cumming on her face, etc., etc., you can use your imagination), then you are clearly getting a fantastic deal, and I can understand why she wants more money. I am not suggesting that you should spend more money. I am simply pointing out that in most locales (unless you have unbelievably good fortune), you are not going to get multiple sessions per week (or very high level sessions) for a mere $300 from a provider.

On the flip side, there are certainly women who will use their "relationship" to jack up the cost to ridiculous levels. I have heard of women who rake in thousands per month for a "sugar daddy" gig, where the guy is at most getting sex 2 or 3 times per month. That's ridiculous, and any guy in that kind of gig is getting ripped off (and he is probably being manipulated into thinking the relationship is a real one). You should go look at the "pink site" and read some of their threads on these types of ATF relationships -- they are pretty mercenary (e.g., bragging that they get paid $$$$ just to be arm candy, and that they won't even give the guy anything more than a peck on the cheek at the end of the date). Any guy spending that kind of money is clearly getting robbed blind. Again, I don't criticize the women for making a living any way they can, and a fool and his money are soon parted. But there's no reason to sign up to be a sucker.

Bottom line, I guess, is that I would increase the payments to her only if (a) you can easily afford it; and (b) you feel comfortable spending the money, i.e., you're getting good service and not just being ripped off; and (c) you don't think you can get a better or similar deal elsewhere. But I think if she's pressuring you for more money, you probably won't continue to get good service in the long run anyway, so it may be time to call it quits with her.

At my peak, which was when I was working at a well-paying job and my ATF was still dancing, I was spending about $150-200 per week. But that only lasted about a year. Since then it's trickled off to almost nothing, because I retired and am much more careful about what I spend, plus I just don't enjoy it very much since my ATF retired. If I were to begin clubbing again on a regular basis, I'd limit my spending to $50-60 per visit - that's all it would be worth to me now. I'd rather get a good massage, which costs about $75 in my area.

I have been going to strip clubs a lot less since I discovered Tijuana. Although that trip takes up the better part of two days, I can have a great time for $1,000-1,200, all costs included, and it is really also a mini-vacation, so I come back refreshed. I would much rather have the direct type of dealings you get with prostitutes in TJ than playing games with strippers.

I have to say that I disagree with those post-ers who seem to equate strippers and escorts/hookers. The risk of getting involved with escorts is huge, from a legal standpoint. Most men would experience a substantial detrimental effect in their lifestyles (marriages/children/jobs/criminal status) if they got caught using escorts. When you go to a country in which prostitution is legal, or at least tolerated, you have no risk of legal complications. (I suppose San Francisco would fit in here too, since the prosecutor in that county has said that he is not going to prosecute private commercial sex between consenting adults).

Anyway, with the exception of a few "wild hairs", for the past six months or so, I have lived with minimal strip club visits, in return for (hopefully) quarterly trips to TJ. Next trip is in 2 1/2 weeks.

One word: Lots!

I tend to spend more, the less often I go. I drop in on Bourbon Street's most expensive club at least once a month, and have been accused of being a "regular" there. We get a lot of transient business because it's a tourist destination. But I can get out of there having spent less than $20 and yet having really groped and prodded a lot of hot girls. I'm getting to where I LIKE not spending money there. It feels a lot more sane, than the desperation which drove me to buy buy buy the attentions of every hot girl who came past me.

Ooops, don't tell them. :)

njscfan: Clarification, My ATF isn't looking for more $$$, it was just a curiosity question when I learned how much some others spend. To answer your question, I have no doubt I have a great deal. Any kind (and all) of sex I want, much OTC (no charge), real non-sex dataing to boot. I try to take care of the girls well (esp. atf) when ITC but was surprised that many patrons spend even more.

This isn't a criticism, just curiosity. FONDL if you have retired from clubbing like you say.

"If I were to begin clubbing again on a regular basis, I'd limit my spending to $50-60 per visit - that's all it would be worth to me now."

Then why do you spend so much time here droning on and on about your old ATF? Why not go out and see some pussy that dosen't have dust on it?

This is a little off the subject from the opposite side, but you guys have any idea how much money a dancer takes in for a typical week, say in Las Vegas. I'm giving my ATF about $200 a week.

twbird, that figure is probably a very wide range. In Phoenix, a girl on day shift will take in from $60 to $200 for a 3 to 5 hour shift. I always figured a girl with a good work ethic could make $1,000 plus per week just working half weekdays. I would guess Vegas is way more for the top shelf girls. I have heard figures like $500 plus per night on average, which seems plausible. I would think your $200/wk in Vegas would be nice, but not high enough to expect anything expect friendly treatment in the club.

I have been spending around $1200 a month. Mostly at my favorite club on my monthly 2 nite 3 day trips. This month I only spent half of that. Why? Because one of my favorite dancers kept making me leave the club early. Today I left a 3:30. Normally I would have stayed until happy hour was over at 8:00 P.M. But she took me on a "field trip". Her boyfriend of 5 years was in jail. She had, had a lot to drink and said that she had made $700. She said that she was feeling nasty. Boy was she ever. Pulled it out and went down on it until it was hard and then asked me what "I wanted to do with it?" Well, we did the big NO NO and without protection. Those of you that know me, know who?

OH. I forgot to add. Total cost $40.00 provided that I didn't get an STD.

What's the cost if you DID get and STD Shadowcat?? :)

I pretty much only go to SC's when I travel for work, so it usually depends on a lot of things... In a club that isn't so terrible I leave quickly, I would say that I minimum is $100 give or take $10... Maximum was close to $900 which featured a CR and my first ture "extra" in a club (when she took the plunge it through me off balance). But those are my extremes... Average is probably about $250 to $300 in a club I like, a little less if I've taken a lot trips that much, a little more if it's my only trip that month.

jester: I do not dwell on that. Financially I suppose after I meet my annual deductable of $2300 then my insurance pays 100%. The ultimate price of course would be death. My best friend ( Best man at my wedding) died at 32 years of age. His wife told me that he at least got to experience everything that he wanted to do. I am 66 now and have seen and done twice as much as he ever did. Every week I hear about some one a lot younger than me dying. I have been a smoker and a heavy drinker for over 50 years. I had my annual check up last month, including chest Xrays. And I am in perfect health. So what is going to eventually get me. Who knows? But I am not going to worry about it. I could retire anytime but I still enjoy my job of 41 years and don't intend to quit for at least 4 more years. At my age there are 3 things that you don't do. Never pass up a bath room, never waste a hard on and never trust a fart. I intend to live the rest of my years single and seeing how much shit I can get away with in a strip club (Mileage)

Man...$40 and you didn't even tip her...that's kind of cold IMO... I would never let whatever amounts anyone else is spending to cause you to alter your own spending habits though. In my experience, if a dancer is making over a $1000/nite she is doing very well. I dunno many dancers that can make that much on a routine basis though, and they'll hardly ever declare that much on their taxes either.

Misterguy: You would have to know me and my favorite club and favorite dancers a lot better to understand why I didn't have to tip her. Afterwards her response was "I have been thinking about doing that for some time."

Generally strippers do not pay any income taxes. I have one favorite that bought a house for 175K. To qualify for the loan, she had to declare 65K a year in earnings and now must pay income taxes on that. That pissed her off. Join the crowd baby!

If it wasn't for my strip club spending, I might be a millionaire by now already. I'm far from it though but am trying something that has worked for me the last few weeks. If this continues I will be a millionaire in a few years despite my strip club spending. Making 15 to 20 percent a month will double my money every 5 or 6 months. I'll see how it continues to go. One month may not be an indication of how well I will do in the future but it sure does encourage me to save more money.

I plan on spending money in clubs and continue having fun. I'm thinking if we all die in an asteroid impact or some other disaster just a few years from now, I don't want to regret doing or not doing certain things. I do want to have fun while saving up some for later years or retirement.

When I'm 97 I'd rather have a bunch of pleasant memories than a bunch of money that I have no use for. IMO having lots of money is WAY over-rated.

Hey, if she whored herself out for a mere $40 & she's happy with that, then who am I to judge I guess. Enjoy those SS checks that us young guys are paying for old men...

I would like lots of money so I can retire like 20 or 22 years earlier than normal. Then I can do things I enjoy doing more often other than what I call work now. My current job seems to be work hard now, if you succeed, you get even more work and have to put in longer hours because they saw that you were able to do it. Then they delay your pay increase and it doesn't even keep up with inflation. Besides I'm looking at doing well in the markets as the goal and the money in my account as a scorecard as to how well I did. I guess once you feel like you have plenty of cash, it doesn't seem like a big deal anymore. If you're putting off things until your next paycheck, money seems like a big deal.

As far as lots of money not being important, I might find more agreement among the strippers than among the well off retired folks here. I don't think too many strippers would be stripping if not for the money. I'm not expecting to live to 97 either. Everyone on my father's side died about 30 years earlier than that. If things are going well for me when I'm older, I wouldn't mind outliving them. However right now that seems like an eternity away from my current age. Right now I was thinking I would enjoy professional trading for myself much better than being pressured by someone else to get some work done on a tight schedule because a boss guy thinks it's important to get a project done according to his own deadline. Then they don't even give you a salary increase that keeps up with inflation. Ok, I'll stop ranting.