golfers and strip clubs.

I can't imagine any golfers except for maybe John Daly going to a strip club. I thought they were all family men, or at least acted as such.

Golf is an excuse to get away from the family. Golf outings are an excuse to get away to a golf/resort destination such as Myrtle Beach with a bunch of buddies and go to strip clubs, have hookers come to your hotel room, gamble and do all the things you can't while at home. Going to the Masters is a golfers trip to Mecca. Shadow you live in a community with 3 golf courses within 10 miles and you don't even play golf. Thank goodness you at least take part in golfers second favorite past time strip clubs.

Maybe we will all get lucky and an errant golf ball will save a legnthy hospice stint.

Same thing happens in the Poconos and probably a lot of other rural areas during the hunting season. Near as I can tell, hunting for a lot of guys is just an excuse to drink heavily and screw around. IMO you have to be nuts to go out in the woods when they're full of heavily armed drunks who will shoot at anything that moves. At least most golfers don't carry firearms.

I have no use for golfers or hunters. Wish they would stay out of strip clubs and leave them to us regulars. All they do is drive up the prices. Will be glad when they are gone and things return to normal. Same goes for conventioneers in cities like Atlanta and Las Vegas.

FONDL -I live in the poconos and hunting season still scares me.Im sorry but Im from the bronx gunfire near my house and a guy walkin down the road makes me edgy. Although I ve gone hunting the drinking with a gun is stupid.

I do enjoy golf (sorry guys) but havent experienced golfers at work yet although on the corse they get annoying too.

I am a golfer and SC Junkie...what can I say?

Greg: Actually I can drive to anyone of the 3 in about 5 minutes. I think that there are 2 more within 10 miles. But it is a 40 minute drive to the closest strip club. Damn!

Huh...light bulb goes on...I am going to open a Golf Course/Strip Club...oh yeah...the Golfer man will be living the high life soon!

I would like to ammend my previous comment so as not to offend any regular stripclubbers who just happen to enjoy golf as well. My objection is with those golfers that Shadowcat refers to who only show up once a year and mess things up for the rest of us.

One dancer I know is traveling to the Masters this week I believe. It's supposed to be 78 degrees Friday where I live at. A bit warm for me but much better than the 20's forecast for this morning. Unfortunately the pollen is returning as well. My father got me to play golf many years ago but I haven't played any in the last couple of years. Golfers can be as fanatic as any sports fan. I remember one winter day it was so cold, none of my fathers golf buddies wanted to go play. My brother and I were just young teenagers and we were told to put on two pairs of pants, socks, etc. because it was so cold. Then we went to play golf. The ground was frozen solid. We were the only people at the entire golf course. The ball bounced like it was landing on concrete. I could hardly move due to all the clothing. Then I wondered "this is supposed to be fun?"

Other golfers are extremely serious about the sport and if you happen to even hit a golf ball up towards them and yell "fore" at the same time, you may hear the nastiest cussing you've heard in a while. Most people seem friendly though.

Golfers can be strange too. I remember one in-law would go to play golf to "relax". You would often see him throwing golf clubs around if his shot didn't go well.

I'm in the middle of golf country. Tiger Woods even bought a home up towards the mountains and is designing his first golf course up there. You'll have to walk it though. No golf carts. I still haven't seen Tiger Woods show up in any strip clubs.

I have the feeling that Tiger Woods doesn't "hang out" in public places very often in general...it probably has little to do with Strip Clubs...

I am not offended in the least by statements about golf nuts...probably because most of what is said is true...we are all nuts...hehehe

FONDL- I must agree with you about hunters and strip clubs. My favorite club used to have a Budweiser sign which featured hunting in the club. (For all I know, it still does, but its not on the main floor.) Some girls who are invariably new have to ask me if I'm there for hunting season. I have no idea what is hunting season for anything. I'm not the right person in my family to tell you that. I do know up in some of the rural clubs I've visited that girls come and go as the hunting season comes and goes, so you know there is demand for strippers then.

I don't get the appeal of golf. "I'm going to go exercise. Except you don't get any exercise. No wait, I'm going to go for a walk. Except I ride a little electric car. I'm going to go enjoy the afternoon. No wait, it's going to really piss me off and make me angry. I'm going to go enjoy time with the boys. I hope I beat that fucker that beat me last time. I'm going out to wear some comfortable clothes. Honey, have you seen my balls-tight polyester? I'm going to relax with my hobby. Anyone seen that extra $500 cash I had lying around? I'm going out for a nice refreshing walk in the wilderness. Someone's in my way clipping the bushes. I'm an athlete. Pass the beer."

It has everything, and every little thing backwards.

Book Guy, have you ever hit a great shot in golf? It takes very few of those to become addicted. It's also a lot more exercise than you think it is, especially when you're as bad at it as I am. Even when you ride a cart you still do a whole lot of walking, especially if the course requires you to stay on the cart path as many do. But I think the real attraction is that it's still one of the few areas that's almost exclusively a guy thing (country clubs usually restrict when women are allowed to play.)

Book guy and Fondle are both correct. I have suffered thru rounds in 100 plus heat and freezing rain but when you hit that one perfect shot it always brings you back. I have a good temperament for golf and realize that a bad day on the golf course is better than any day at the office.

This is a true story:

RIVERSIDE -- Two managers of a Norco golf course who allowed prostitutes to set up tents and provide sexual favors to golfers participating in a tournament pleaded guilty to conspiracy charges. Jason Wood, 38, and Darren Bollinger, 30, both of Temecula, were arrested after Riverside County sheriff's deputies raided a June 2002 tournament at Hidden Valley Golf Club, where the two men and an accomplice allowed the prostitutes to set up tents on the course. - The two agreed to plead guilty to conspiracy to corrupt the public morals after a third defendant, Sandy Juarez of Lancaster, struck a deal with prosecutors to testify against them. The judge in the case urged Wood and Bollinger to reach a plea agreement. Defense attorney Steve Harmon declined to comment. Riverside District Attorney Art Chang said prosecutors didn't pursue more severe prostitution charges against the men because they had not provided the prostitutes. "It's our belief that they were aiders and abettors," Chang said. Prosecutors contend that the prostitutes were provided by Juarez, who pleaded guilty to the same charges as Wood and Bollinger in exchange for her testimony. She was sentenced to 120 days in jail and fined $10,000. Wood and Bollinger are to be sentenced in October. Chang said they probably will receive probation and a fine.

That reminds me of many golf tournaments sponsored by strip clubs. Maybe the best being Treasures in Las Vegas. Always a great time with the dancers washing your balls. Cleaning your club etc etc. There is nothing like a round of golf in Vegas with naked women taking care of you the whole day.

BG...the attitude and skills required to do well in golf are the exact attitude and skills needed to succeed in life. It is a game that moves at the pace of life...it is a game that teaches you that you will never be perfect. If you can recognize these imperfections in yourself and yet maintain the patience and perseverence to succeed at it...well...I don't know of a greater lesson for life...

That is my take on the game...

Plus, hitting a great shot is an awesome feeling...

As for golfers descending on Georgia strip clubs during tournaments or South Carolina on their golf outings, we should all feel sorry for them, it's probably the only chance they get all year to get away and go strip clubbing. Which reminds me, maybe I should get more serious about golf. Are there any good courses in the Tampa area?

Wood and Bollinger not only sound like rather creative and enterprising businessmen, but also like names made up for a porn shoot. :)

I agree with FONDL about the "addictive" thing, and the "guy" thing. I utterly disagree with Crizgolfer, though. I can see how those skills CAN be used for golf, and they would indeed be useful in life. But golf might, to the contrary, teach you that cheating works better than playing by the rules, or that talking about exercising is more important than actually doing the exercising, or that you should expect the opportunity to do the same thing at least 18 times and that a combined relatively successful effort on nearly all of them will outweigh a totally inept idiot's level effort on one or another. Those lessons are just as likely in golf, and yet rather unfamiliar in real life.

Golf doesn't have the corner on the market of "valuable life lessons from sport and hobby." The fact that almost any sport has just as much "ethical" training potential, means that claiming that golf too has that potential, is an utterly moot point. If any given sport could make you ethical, then why is golf a more important sport? ]

I say to hell with golf, it's for lame idiots. If you want exercise do something that requires exercise. If you want a hobby do something that requires intellect. (Wait, adding and subtracting from the par sheet! Oh yeah, basic arithmetic! Golf DOES require thought!) It's a blast when you're with a rather large group of extremely drunk friends from the old days (though I do realize that mostly this sort of behavior is frowned upon at any decent course), but that's because of the group and drunk and friends and old days parts. Consequently, again, the golf part is moot.

Well, I don't really mean all that. I don't begrudge anyone their fun. I just find it hard to take golf AS seriously as a lot of other participant sports that have a much higher degree of all the things I think people should look for in a sport. If they're doing golf to the exclusion of aerobic activity, or think their 115 score on nine holes is impressive because it improves on last week's 120, they're misled and just part of the bandwagon. If they do it seriously, or get good exercise at it (as did my great-uncle Frank, for whom golf no doubt added 10 years to his life -- still shooting his age, minus 10, into his 90s!) then I'm all for it, as I would be positive about anything that has legitimate positive content.

The part about golf that bugs me is the people who DON'T perform the positives, but CLAIM they do because they know that a lot of other people on the bandwagon will leap to their defense. Like those bloated fat overweight idiots in the swimming pool who float from one side to the other by pushing off and drifting, and then claim to be "doing laps." Har ... no, don't congratulate yourself.

In fact, I am kind of tempted to learn a bit of golf in order to play the "harder" courses. I hear St. Andrews is no walk in the park. That I've gotta respect. And of course, hitting the ball accurately is a ridiculously difficult skill so, if you dedicate yourself to it, there comes a level where only further higher levels of dedication will yield any rewards. That can be said of any sport, and a lot of other endeavors -- there's an economy of scale, and at a certain point only the EXTREMELY hardy few survive. So, golf doesn't get MORE points than most sports; but it gets almost as many, in my book.

I'm just havin' fun with ya. Golf seems so silly. But evidently people make deals over the golf course. Maybe I'll need to learn it ...

How the heck do you golf with those HUGE boobs wondergrl? At least that would be a good excuse for my golf handicap... ;)

Try playing golf in the snow, with a wet ground, and a wind chill in the teens...we went numb after the first 2 holes, but I guess the price that we paid for the round of golf in October & the gas carts was worth it to my buddies at the time (it wasn't to me, but I got out voted). It took me 45 mins. to "defrost" afterwards... How about strippers or Hooters girls on the golf course?

Golf is one of many hobbies of mine. Yeah its not alot of exercise but its fun to solve the mathematics of the game. Like when playing pool. (another hobby) I also do alot of orientering which is very physically demanding but also requires problem solving. Myguilty "balls to the wall" sport is snowboarding. Golf requires patience and an ability to realize that yes your goal is to get the ball in the hole but also realize that based on the force of the swing the weather and in some cases the texture of the grass where the ball will really land. Its like a gigantic math problem. And its freakin awsome when your calculations are correct.

And mistergy when I swing my breasts are squished together fighting to free themselves from the confines of my tight polyester top. Question answered? LOL

If you're a bad golfer like I was at times when I was a teenager, golf is a lot of exercise. I was walking down long fairways. Then I would do a bad slice and it was so bad it would go about 200 yards into the other fairway. Then I would have to run over there and hit it back before someone came up in the other fairway. Play like that all day and you get a lot of exercise. I did get a lot better. At one time when I was playing every week with a group from work, it wasn't unusual for me to be dropping the ball within a few feet of the flag after teeing off on a par 3 hole. I once had a shot so awesome no one could believe it. We were in the middle of a very large and very long fairway. I hit the golf ball perfect and it took off so fast and so far, we only spotted it for a split second sky high. It went so far so fast and so high I never saw that golf ball again. I guess it would have been more awesome if it landed on the green on a par 5 hole. That was my other problem, if your range on your shots occasionally shoots way out there, you might tick off some people if you hit it all the way to the green on a par 4 hole and others are still there.

The golf lesson I learned about accidently hitting your golf ball too far into a group of people. Do not yell "Fore" as you were instructed early in life. Play dumb like others do. Wait for the people to leave. Unless you accidently hit someone and know it. Yelling down the fair way only seems to invite some loud yelling back. Nastiest cursing I ever heard was on a golf course.

For those not familiar with golf, do not stand anywhere on the front side of amateur golfers. I've seen several people get hit and those golf balls are traveling over 200 mph at times and hit extremely hard. Imagine a paint ball gun on steroids.

One other thing, if you park your car sideways right behind the 18th hole, expect to get a lot of dings in the side. I saw someone who did this one time. I was wondering if it had all those dings before he or she parked it there.

A golf lesson from my father. He shot a 78 either on the back 9 or on the whole course, can't remember now. Anyway he was just playing with me and said, that's a new record for me (very good close to par or maybe slightly under), then he said, "I won't turn it in, it'll lower my handicap". I don't remember how handicap works anymore. It's been too long since I played regularly and didn't use it much in the casual groups I play with.

I remember one strip club with lots of hot dancers near Pinehurst NC that filled up with golfers at certain times of the year. That was fun just to watch all that eye candy and let the golfers pay for all the close up table dances. I really did enjoy watching several 10's doing table dances at the same time especially since I didn't have to pay for all of that. They were nothing but air dances there but still worth watching.

I believe the Masters at Myrtle Beach allows free admission with a local golf score card.

Damn wondergrl...you need a caddy? ;) Get out the protractor for that game of pool too and bend over to handle that big stick...

The yelling "Fore" thing is so that people can duck if the ball is going to come near them. That saved me from getting hit in the head once...I got hit in the back instead. Don't be a pussy...own up to it when you accidentally hit near someone!

I think two of the key attractions of golf are that it's the one sport you can do all your life, and it doesn't require having others around you of nearly equal ability to enjoy it. Plus because it's expensive it keeps the riff-raff out, giving one a feeling of exclusivity. What else is a rich old fart going to do with his money, give it to some naked 19-year-old girl?

FONDL, I hope to someday become a rich old fart with nothing better to do than dole out cash to pretty young naked girls, what a wonderful life!

Tampa strip clubs run golf outings all the time. Some of the quasi-brothel arrangements ("lingerie modeling studios") used to as well. Fun fun ...

Hey, one of the things not yet mentioned (well, maybe, but this is a long thread) is the whole father-son thing.

I can attest that golf has been a great thing for me and my son to share. He started golfing when he was 9, and got better than me in a few years, then went on to play varsity in high school. We played once or twice a week at the local muni course ($20 for me, $12 for him), and he played in various ragtag groups of boys throughout the summer. It was cheaper than summer camp, and a great way for him to stay out of trouble. He learned how to play by the rules, how to focus on a difficult problem, how to control his temper, how to prepare for a big day, how to show common courtesy, and how to socialize with strangers. He's in college now. Of all the joys of parenting, playing with him is what I miss the most. It will be a bond for the rest of my life.

Yeah, it's a silly game. But at the end of the day, when the sun is low and the shadows are lengthening, and the cooler smells are rising from the grass, what better feeling is there than walking down the fairway and sharing a memory with your son?

It beats the best lap dance, hands down (or hands on). :-)

Hey BG...wow...that was a lot said. I will answer a little of it (all in fun). Well, I do not cheat when I play golf and I taught my son not to cheat. Cheating at golf is lying to yourself. Learn to take your lumps and deal with it. Golf is not the only activity that offers life lessons...I agree with you.

As for hobbies and exercise. Well, as a youth I played football and basketball. I excelled at baseball and kickboxing. Of all those sports (and a few others that I dabbled in) I have found golf to be the most difficult to "master." That is my experience.

I currently bicycle, run, play raquetball, and lift weights (6 times per week when my travel schedule allows me). I do not rent golf carts (as I carry my clubs) with the exception of two courses where the holes are far apart. It is not that I can't (or don't want to) walk it. Just that walking it will slow the pace of play too much and cause problems on the course. I never drink when I play as I do make a valid attempt to improve.

Intellectually, I read a great deal. History, philosophy, and Zen have been often persused topics. Now days most of my reading pertains to work related things involving networks, SANs, and servers...so I get plenty of intellectual stimulation.

I can understand others distaste for golf, because I thought the same thing...until I started playing it about 7 years ago. For me...It has been an exceptional way to bond with my son as we spend many hours trolling around golf courses. Enjoying each others company, goofing around, and talking about life in general.

Aaaaahhh...the only thing I like more than golf...is golf chicks...soooo Wondergirl...what's your handicap? ;-)

There are dancers that follow the PGA tour around all year. I meet one in early January at club in Chicago. She said it is not necessarily the golfers that come in, it is their entourage (agents, friends, caddies, sponsors, etc). She will have regulars that come to see her at various clubs during the year, as both the dancer and customer are following the tour.