Comments by FONDL (page 48)

If someone asked me to describe myself in one word, that word would be "gentleman." I always try to treat everyone with courtesy and respect, unless and until they treat me otherwise. Then I don't treat them at all, I simply ignore them. And I sadly agree with ozy that civility is largely dead in our society (which I think is arguably our biggest problem as a society but that's another story) but I refuse to live that way. And it makes no difference whether we are talking inside or outside of a club - I don't become a different person just because I'm inside a club. In fact if anything I become even more polite because it sets me apart.

The only time I ever have a martini is before dinner and usually only at a good restaurant. I think a martini increases the sensitivity of the taste buds and gets the juices flowing, thereby making a good dinner more enjoyable. But I only ever drink one, after that it's wine. I used to like scotch in the winter but haven't had one in years. I used to really like cognac too. And I used to drink gin and tonics all summer long. But I've gotten away from hard liquor - I like it better than it likes me. Now I'm happy with just wine and maybe an occasional Yuengling on a hot afternoon.

When traveling I keep about 1/3 of my cash in my wallet, 1/3 hidden in my suitcase, and 1/3 hidden in my car trunk. When I go in a club I'll first reduce the wallet contents to about $200, then will keep around $20 (mostly ones) on the table in front of me and bigger bills in the wallet. I've never had a problem anywhere.

I don't much care about high mileage as long as there is some 2-way touching allowed. Nor do I expect or care about honesty unless I've known the girl for a long time. If a girl is interesting and attractive, and she treats me the way I want to be treated (eg. with courtesy) without acting phony, and she allows some 2-way touching, I'm a happy camper.

If I can't have a great time for under $200 I don't go there, it's not my kinda place. $200 is the most I ever take with me to a club, and I usually only spend about half that.

In rder of preference - A great dry red wine (eg. Stag's Leap cab) A good dry red wine A good dry chardonnay An OK dry red wine Yuengling or Canadian beer Mexican beer Gin and tonic

What I find interesting about thesse and a few other similar ladies is that they are resurrecting the past. It's how spoiled-brat young actresses behaved (or more acurately misbehaved) 60-80 years ago. The return of the flapper girl.

AN hit it on the head. Forget about what brand of gin is used, the freshness of the vermouth is what separates a good martini from a bad one. I only ever order a martini (a real one, not the crap that's called martinis in trendy bars) in a place that I'm sure sells lots of them (eg. a good restaurant) so I know the vermouth is fresh. And then, because I'm a purist, I'll ask for Beefeater. That's the only real martini. And I don't get the olives anymore since most bars now use the real big strong-tasting ones. Some places even add olive juice to the drink - yuk! What is this world coming to?

End of shift is the perfect time to invite a girl to have dinner with you. That's exactly how my ATF and I started getting together OTC - I was arriving just as she was getting ready to leave so instead of getting together in the club we went to a nearby restaurant.

Good luck, Book Guy. I hope you find what you're looking for.

I thought I read somewhere that the music had been turned down? If I can't talk to a girl and hear what she's saying, there goes my 10 - that's a biggie for me.

Welcome aboard. And don't worry about the rules here, there aren't any.

I only ever recall seeing one bachelor party and it was annoying. It's one of the reasons I always try to avoid clubs on a Friday or Saturday night.

I see PP has moved up again in the ratings. Maybe we should make it a requirement that anyone attending the fall meeting must give the place a 10.

Make it 3 votes for the middle course - don't avoid her but don't chase her either. I once had a similar situation and finally concluded that the girl was trying to share the wealth, she wanted me to spend some money on some of the other girls too, so she took her time getting to me even though she knew that's why I was there. Some dancers get a little uncomfortable if you're only spending time and money with them. Don't take it personally, it's not about you, it's about them.

DougS, I agree completely. Which is why I haven't been to a strip club in over a year. I'd rather spend the time and money visiting my ATF.

Jablake, for a lot of people their best friends, mayb their only friends, are at work. So not matter how much they may hate their jobs, being at work is still preferable to being alone. Or to put it in your terms, work is the only place where they receive any empathy. That's as true for strippers as for anyone else. Why is that so hard to understand?

AN, I'm sure you are right about Rudy. But I bet he was strongly encouraged to do so by the people who benefitted economically from the cleanup.

EvilCyn, I don't usually know (or care) what the club rules are anyway. When I get an LD from a new girl, first thing I do is ask her what her rules are and then I abide by them. What's funny is the number of girls who will say they don't have any (and they'll often add that we can do anything as long as we don't get caught.) Which usually turns out to be false. But at least then I don't feel bound to behave, the way I look at it if they say anything goes I take them at their word.

Pop, my idea of a great G-string is a single strand of fishing line. Kinda like I've always said of a girl's bathing suit - of it can't fit in a shot glass it's too big.

There's no way to know in advance what will happen. Which is part of the fun. Bring your wallet but leave your expectations at home - expect nothing more than some enjoyable company, then anything else that happens will be a pleasant surprise.

I think whether or not I like a girl has as much to do with me as it does with her. If I bring high expectations I'm less likely to find someone I like. Ditto if I'm not in a great mood. Ditto if the place turns me off. But the biggest factor is the smile - they gotta have that great smile, and it has to be (or seem) genuine.

I know several different people who make a very nice living by buying houses in need of repair, living in them while they fix them up, then sell (or rent) them and move on to the next one. they wokr when they feel like it and take off when they want to. If I didn't have any dependents I would have done the same thing. Tony Robbins would agree with the main premise to your book. One of his sayings is that "most people major in minor things." Meaning that most people spend so much time doing trivial things (like email) that they never find time to do what's important. I think there are a lot of ways to support yourself without having a full-time job if you have no dependents and are willing to live with fewer "things." The first step is to reject our society's values.

I've always found booby-playing to be a club thing not an individual thing. In some clubs it's done, in others it isn't. The only exception to that I ever recall occurred at Brad's Brass, off all places - I once spent some time there with a girl who, unlike all the other girls, didn't allow boob touching. Incidently, my ATF worked at a no-boob-touching club, and being the gentleman that I am I never did. But hope springs eternal.

Chandler, maybe you were just joking but I think you made a valid point -everyone's tastes in women are different and I don't think anyone can predict who someone else will or won't like. I can't even predict myself - I've met plenty of dancers who I really liked who didn't fit my description at all, and plenty who did meet that description that I didn't care for. You can improve the odds but you can never guarantee that sparks will or won't fly. And I have no idea why that is.