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17 years ago
You know, a big part of what *makes* that ATF of yours freaky and "high mileage" is her fucked up developmental background - the various rapes, abuses, dropping-out-of-school etc is what makes a good stripper.
I mean, it's awful, but it also *created* the hot chick whose grinding in your lap or sucking your dick in VIP. If she hadn't been screwed up by "uncle" or whatever, she'd probably be your fully-clothed executive assistant instead, and you'd be seeing *another* girl in the strip club.
So I really don't want to go there, or even care, really. If she tries to bring it up, I just let on how bored I am hearing about it. She has better things to be doing with that mouth, as far as I'm concerned!
O.
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17 years ago
I'm usually kind of glad when a "regular girl" (I can't say I have an ATF, since each new one is better than the last lol) leaves, because I can try some new ones. It's frankly kind of inconvenient when a stripper knows you well enough that she bee-lines for you when you come in and kind of camps you the whole time, while you're seeing new girls you'd like to check out.
That said, if I wanted to track one down I'd first ask her friends in the club, after that maybe bartender or floor manager. Failing that, maybe call a few nearby clubs and assume she's using the same pseudonym - "Is Tia/Brandy/Jade/Madison/Hoe-of-the-week working there? Asian girl, long blondish hair? - or whatever.
But as I say, I find turnover refreshing, and I can't recall ever having "tracked down" a stripper.
O.
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17 years ago
Between black and white, black girls hands-down are higher mileage, IME.
Asian girls? really, that depends on the subset - I find that the SE Asian girls (Thai, Lao, Cambodian, etc) are higher mileage than the Chinese/Korean/Japanese girls.
Latinas? most Latinas who are going to dance in the first place are already pretty wild - high mileage.
And Eastern European? They are basically "white third-worlders" and almost have that SE Asian attitude. I don't think I've met a Russian girl yet who wasn't a whore at heart ;)
O.
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17 years ago
Generally girls who DO offer full service include language of the effect of "this is not an offer of prostitution, fees are only for time and companionship blah blah blah" on their website.
Girls who offer body rub, erotic massage etc. but have no desire to offer full service will specify "not full service" - they generally dont want the hassle of having to deal with the issue on-site. So, they're being honest, and that's cool.
The problem is girls who don't specifically mention "no FS" and advertise themselves as escorts, and then don't offer it on-site. That's just a lure and rip-off.
Of course there's always CL - there ads are usually "need a wet pussy to slide into?" or "I need to swallow some cum!" or other such subtle approaches. Streetwalkers of the information superhighway, gotta love it LOL. Me? I'll steer clear of CL though...
O.
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17 years ago
Most dancers I know won't leave their drink unattended, or at least not unguarded by a well-known regular.
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17 years ago
Really, it's not *that* hard to have both.
Plain girl + hot dance = waste of money
Hot girl + tame dance = waste of money
I will ONLY call hot girls over to dance, try them for a dance or two and if it works, she's a keeper. If not, bye.
I leave clubs all the time without spending a cent if they don't have good merchandise.
O.
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17 years ago
I've known escorts like that, but never strippers.
I've had strippers who happened to be with a customer or busy and couldn't dance for me, but never "no, you aren't part of the crowd I'll dance for.
That said, I have seen situations where a dancer simply doesn't like a guy and won't dance for him, but that's a bit different from the scenario you're suggesting.
As I say, that's more of a "courtesan" or escort mentality in my experience.
O.
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17 years ago
Wow, are you for real?
Hmmm... nope, I get very proud.
I smile and say "look!" and everyone congratulates me. Good stuff!
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17 years ago
I pay $1000 an hour for stripper conversation.
Mostly I ask for stock tips - I totally make way more than $1000 from that, so it's a really good investment.
Once I asked a stripper if she thought the Riemann Hypothesis would ever be proven - she thought not, and it was a really interesting discussion. She also suggested applying Ramsey theory to understanding nuclear stability, ideas which have proven fruitful in my research. Worht every cent.
My brain practically explodes with wisdom after talking to strippers. My pants explode too sometimes, if she's really hot.
So basically yes, I pay for exploding pants, and an exploding brain.
It's SO worth it!
O.
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17 years ago
Drunk enough to be fun I like. Smashed out of her gourd, not so much.
I took a very, very hot Thai dancer I knew (and was regularly fucking OTC) to VIP one day - it was obvious she was smashed (she was an alcoholic) and this was day shift, barely 2pm.
We get in VIP and she straddles me and says "I want to stick my tongue down your fucking throat" - she gets very, almost dangerously, sexually aggressive when she's drunk - so we're DFKing like crazy.
And then she pulls away and vomits on my Corneliani suit.
I got a waitress to help her back to the dressing room where she passed out. She never did remember the incident (she would black out when she got really smashed and not remember a thing) and gets pissed off to this day if I jokingly mention it.
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17 years ago
Meaningful work...
I'm sorry, I just died laughing... so I really can't comment any further.
O.
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17 years ago
OF COURSE they demand to be PAID FOR CONVERSATION!
They are there TO WORK and to MAKE MONEY. Strippers are NOT TRUST FUND KIDS who perform a charity HAVING FREE CONVERSATIONS with the customers - oops I mean TRUE FRIENDS - they see in the club.
Time to GET A CLUE or possibly FIND A LESS EMOTIONALLY DAMAGING HOBBY.
O.
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17 years ago
Hah, yes, I should specify Jameson "Whiskey" to differentiate from Scotch "whiskey".
Perhaps I should amend my answer to say I prefer "whiskeys", including Scotch but including and especially the Irish whiskey Jameson.
We have enough wars at the moment, no need for another ;)
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17 years ago
I'm incredibly boring in this regard - scotch and water, or sometimes neat if it's good scotch. I prefer Jameson.
Of course, strip clubs seldom have any good scotches, or good anything for that matter ;)
I like good wines, but I would never in a million years order wine in a strip club sine (i) they always carry crap labels for the markup, (ii) they have no clue how to serve it and (iii) all the smoke interferes with the flavor in the miraculous event they have a good wine.
Champagne? I'll leave that to the "ballers". The girls I know would rather have $200 stuffed in their garters, not poured down their gullets lol.
So yeah, scotch. Yawn ;)
O.
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17 years ago
When I lived in the Philippines I developed the habit of keeping my cash in my shirt pocket - "Philippine style" - as it's much harder for a pick pocket that way. It's a habit I happen to have kept.
I run a tab and charge VIP rooms to Amex (for the points) since like a few others here I don't have to be secretive about it.
I usually keep some ones and fives in my right front trouser pocket for stage tips and the like.
I am always very aware of how much money I have at any time, down to quantities of denominations - advantage of having dealt with cash a lot just over the years, I guess.
O.
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17 years ago
I prefer high mileage.
Also I never expect sincerity from dancers, ever, so it's an easy decision.
O.
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17 years ago
Civility is so utterly dead in modern America that even small considerations and acts of respect go a long way.
I know I'm not the only one here who is actually startled when I put on my turn signal to merge and a car actually SLOWS DOWN to let me in... such a tiny (and it should be a standard) courtesy, yet I grin and smile and wave and actually feel good for a minute or so afterwards.
Same rules apply in clubs.
O.
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17 years ago
Frankly most of the strippers I know have more class in their belly button rings than those three have in combination.
If I got a nude lapdance from any of those three I'd have my pants boiled afterwards.
O.
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17 years ago
See, nowadays I try to avoid actually getting to know dancers or "developing rapport" - last thing I care about is a conversation with a stripper.
That said, I know folks who get along with them, so for them that "rapport" is the "fun". Tip: find out the after-hours hang-out the dancers head to (an all-night club, Waffle House, whatever) and head there. There was a time I did the "breakfast" thing with the strippers, and it's usually good fun, especially if some other folks are there for a good mix. We used to have a dozen people at the table of some all night diner - mostly strippers, a few boyfriends, maybe a DJ, and of course a couple of night lizards of dubious occupation (ie. "dealers")and it was a crazy, fun scene.
Weird, I remember one group I used to hang out with (3 strippers, some rich guy, a boyfriend of the youngest stripper) and now they're all dead - the girl and her boyfriend murdered, one dancer ODing on heroin, the other dancer dying of cervical cancer, and the rich guy slammed his Acura NSX into a telephone pole - all within a two year period. Not sure if that makes me lucky or just old.
Anyway the after hours scene is a blast, and frankly is pretty easy on the wallet - most dancers suddenly get "Dutch" at the breakfast scene and pay their own way.
Wow, memories.
Obviously this is easiest if you're single and either independently wealthy, retired or (like me back then) a graduate student lol.
O.
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17 years ago
Sadly, the one sure-fire way to piss a stripper off permanently is to mess up her hair and/or make-up ;)
Probably never gonna happen...
O.
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17 years ago
Well a lot depends on your definition of "good time".
I mean, if I go into a club with a few friends, sit at the bar talking and having a few drinks, joking with the bartender and dancers, tipping a few on the stage from time to time, I can probably have a great time for twenty bucks.
I think the $200 "consensus" presumes that "good time" means some kind of sexual interaction, ie. "extras". As a rule, dancers expend above average compensation for such activity - hence the bigger bill.
But certainly if you regard the strip club as more of a "hang-out" than a semi-public brothel, you can have plenty of fun for far less than $200!
O.
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17 years ago
I love the insane topics in this forum ;)
Hmmm... no, I'd let it drop too. I'm not Javert.
I had a dancer steal from me once, but leveraged some good fucking out of it.
At least you know she's a Bad Girl!
O.
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17 years ago
Charm.
I mean money. Yes, money.
O.