I lived in Vegas for 5 years prior to moving to Florida a year ago. If you love strip clubs, Vegas is obviously a great place to live and it comes with a lot of perks. For one, locals get in free or at a discounted rate. It was free for big name places like Sapphire and Spearmint Rhino, which quickly became my two favorites. At Little Darlings, they had a free locals night every Monday, Larry Flynt’s Hustlers was only $10 admission, and I could go on and on. I prefer lap dances over extras so I never minded Vegas not being big on extras clubs. Plus I’ve had dancers occasionally ask to meet up OTC, which I never took them up on. I’d argue that Vegas might just be the best place to live if you love SCs. The cost of living is cheap and free/discounted admission means it’s a serious contender. While South Florida May have Vegas beat on quality of strip clubs, the cost of living is so high there. It’s like half a million for a decent home, so all your money would go into cost of living. Where do you guys think is the best place to live in the US if you love strip clubs? Factor in cost of living as well.
Phoenix. Weather when considered on the entire year is decent, housing cost is lower than most large cities. SCs have $10 dances (one club is $5) and had 2 way contact before this pandemic.
What's the town like in Phoenix personality wise? The clubs are quality for sure, but is there anything to do. Most of the people I've met who rave about it are big on the outdoors.
No question. Southeast Florida. Miami to Pompano Beach. There are dozens of great clubs in that area. They are all shut down right now. But we HOPE that Covid 19 will go away eventually.
Go on Zillow and you’ll see it for yourself. Vegas is cheaper as long as you don’t live in the richest areas which I never did. I was referring mostly to home prices, but I’m realizing that many of you only know Vegas from the overpriced tourist traps on the strip. Locals rarely go to the strip unless friends/family visit them. While the Vegas strip is super expensive, the suburbs are cheap or at least equivalent prices to any normal suburb. There’s also Chinatown which is super cheap. There’s a place called Sushi Kaya where you can have all you can eat sushi for just 22 dollars. And it was delicious. There are hidden gems in Vegas that mostly locals knew about. Trust me, Vegas isn’t as expensive as you think it is. You just went to the tourist traps most likely.
@warrior15 - I definitely agree with you on quality that Southeast Florida is better than Vegas, but I wouldn’t be able to live there. Housing prices are through the roof there. Can’t tell if this is a bubble or if it’s just going to keep going up. My friend lives in Miami and just bought a small home for $800,000. He said international buyers from South America keep buying up investment properties in Miami. I would love to live there if the housing prices would just be a bit more affordable
There's better weather in Vegas, Florida, and Phoenix, but I'd definitely put Detroit and surrounding suburbs in the mix, especially if you like extras. For me. I'd love to live near that highway in Inkster, MIchigan that has Bogarts and Flight Club. Low and high end extras action whenever you want it.
Vegas is cheaper than cities its size but keep in mind that other than union jobs wages are really low.
But prices are increasing quickly. Restaurant prices are ridiculous right now and the quality has really decreased. Rents are going up. Car insurance is expensive. Groceries cost more than in Los Angeles
@bmann77 I’ve heard great things about Detroit. My dad’s side of the family is from there so I’ve visited but haven’t visited the SCs there. I had a feeling Detroit would be mentioned, and from what I’ve heard, it’s definitely a top contender
@winex T&A is $5 and that price reflects the quality of the entertainment, I don't go there. T&A is going to be curious if it survives the double hit of COVID19 and light rail construction.
@IceyLoco I agree with you, wages were not the best. I wonder if the recent uptick in grocery prices/food costs is COVID related. It wasn’t bad when I left Vegas a little over a year ago. I shopped mostly at Albertsons and Trader Joe’s which were always pretty reasonable. I also totally forgot about auto insurance being higher. You’re absolutely right about that
I'm in south Palm Beach county and within 20 minutes drive north, south or west there are 3-4 bedroom homes with close to 2500 square feet in good neighborhoods for less than 300K brand new so I really don't see how you can compare suburbs, f you are talking about homes like downtown Miami then you're in similar costs to The Strip, but S Florida is a large area with many different price ranges to consider, Don't forget Florida has no state income tax does Nevada ?
The weather here is better than in the desert, in my opinion.
"I’d argue that Vegas might just be the best place to live if you love SCs".
I think that's where you might have different values than most PLs here. I think very few people who will disagree with the statement that, given what most tusclers are looking for, Vegas strip clubs are among the worst for major cities. Overpriced tourists traps set up to fleece each customer and treat them like a sucker every chance they get. Of course, there's an extent to which all SCs do that, but Vegas brings it to a new artform. The clubs are truly terrible, and for me, Vegas is actually a place I visit often and am thrilled to pass on the clubs there. And this is from someone who lives in SF, another top contender for worst clubs.
I do realize there's a non-touristy Vegas that can be pretty fun. But the SCs aren't part of it!
Personality-wise, Phoenix is kind of a mix. Florida gets its transplants from the Northeast while Phoenix gets its transplants from the Midwest. There are also a lot of American Indians and long time locals in Phoenix. They all bring something different to the personality. I enjoy the value of the strip clubs there.
The greater Tampa area has some great strip clubs and housing isn't as bad as South Florida. The best value clubs are in the neighboring counties to Tampa in Pinellas and Pasco Counties.
Oregon has a ton of strip clubs but it's been a while since I went out to clubs there so don't know how the value has held up over the years. Of course, there's a lot of stuff going on in Portland right now. Rural Oregon has their strip clubs as well. When I went out there, I found a lot of the Oregon clubs were nude with alcohol.
@wallanon I'm not raving about Phoenix overall, the SC scene was pretty good before the shutdown, from reading TUSCL pricing is definitely better in PHX. I like the weather even if it gets too hot in the summer. It has some great golfing, hiking and also non SC clubs. If it wasn't such a pain in the a.. to move I would probably move, I don't like the impersonal feel of such a large city (5th largest estate in the USA).
"The greater Tampa area has some great strip clubs and housing isn't as bad as South Florida."
The lightning there really is crazy. Was thinking about taking a job there once, but someone who had a vote at the time was terrified of the weather so I went someplace else.
@wallanon Tampa is going to be my new go-to now that I moved to central FL, but I’m still not too knowledgeable of Tampa due to COVID. I really loved it there when I went to Mons, but Tampa sometimes gets criticized for the city rules like dancers have to have both feet on the ground at all times. Do some SCs in Tampa bypass that rule?
@mike710 Tampa is going to be my new go-to now that I moved to central FL, but I’m still not too knowledgeable of Tampa due to COVID. I really loved it there when I went to Mons, but Tampa sometimes gets criticized for the city rules like dancers have to have both feet on the ground at all times. Do some SCs in Tampa bypass that rule?
Sorry @wallonon didn’t realize you were quoting Mike there, disregard my last comment to you
@Greg. Depending on what clubs you want to visit in Tampa, you can find a hotel in the Westshore area that allows you to walk to clubs. I've walked to Penthouse and Thee Doll house by staying near Westshore Blvd and to Mons/Odyssey/Scores by staying on Lois near Dale Mabry. I've been to clubs in Tampa where those rules weren't followed. Depends on the girl, club and current management.
The more fun clubs are in Pinellas and Pasco anywhere from 30-45 minutes from the Tampa airport. Lots of extras over there and management doesn't really go into the VIP area.
@twentyfive you’re probably right but I just can’t find good home prices when I look at southeast Florida on Zillow. I’ve scoured through all of Miami and Fort Lauderdale. I took your advice and looked at the south Palm Beach area, but Boca Raton still looked expensive. Is that what you were referring to? Keep in mind I don’t know SE Florida that well. What towns are the cheap places to live that you’re referring to? I’d absolutely love to live down there if the price was right.
Boca Is probably the most expensive area with Delray just slightly less look in Boynton Beach or West Palm Beach or Lake Worth but check out the neighborhoods, you can go down to Broward county look in Pompano or Coral Springs, You really cant go by me, I brought my house almost 30 years ago and I'm in the country club area of Delray, but even in Boca and Delray there are plenty of condo's and single families listed for under 300K many are under 200K
BTW Zillow is not a good place to look for a purchase it's really a generic bullshit search engine at best, look on the MLS or get in touch with a local R.E. Broker in the area's you are interseted in.
@subraman That’s so interesting as I always thought people loved Vegas strip clubs. You’re right that there isn’t a personal feel to it, but I don’t mind. My favorite place was Saphire because it was massive (2nd biggest behind Tootsies) and on a Friday or Saturday night, there are just so many hot girls to choose from. The fact that lap dances are $20 there and admission is free being a local, it was really a no-brainer. I honestly think worst city for SC is a little harsh for Vegas. I lived in Boston for about 10 years where there’s a no-touch rule. I had to go to Providence, RI just for strip clubs. Most of the Northeast isn’t great. Playhouse Longe in Burlington NJ is on my list of places to visit though
@twentyfive thank you! I’ll keep digging. You’re so lucky to have bought a house there a while back when things were cheaper. I bet your home price value has doubled or tripled by now. I never heard of MLS, will definitely check it out
Detroit is a good place for extras. What others call extras we call standard. The cost of living is low, especially housing prices, compared to the coasts. The winters are not quite as good as in Southern California.
I'd say south Florida, assuming strip clubs aren't your only consideration of course. South Florida is a big place. Some places home prices are astronomical, but many areas are quite affordable. Go 10-15 miles inland and prices drop quick.
Cover charges are low for most clubs, mostly free during the day and even at night $20 will get you in almost anywhere. I hate the Vegas clubs compared to the ones here. I won't even bother with them, I'll go with friends if thats what the group decides, but I never go solo or suggest it.
@Dolfan I agree that SE Florida is the best place for quality strip clubs, and I think that if I can find something more affordable, I’ll go for it. I like how Tampa has a cheaper cost of living and good strip clubs (though not as good as SE Florida). Pros and cons to both to consider as to where to move to next. That’s crazy to me that people don’t like Vegas on here. I’ve had a few bad experiences there, but so many good ones to outweigh the bad. I think the quality of girls there is just incredible. My ATF was this asian girl at Saphire who had these massive fake boobs. She once told me that each one weighed 5 pounds. Everyone loved her, but I feel bad for her back having to carry those things 😂
One thing to consider is the weather. What do you like ? You are already used to the Florida humidity. Vegas is HOT and dry in the summer. And it gets kinda cool in the winter.
But I have to admit. My knowledge of Vegas is The Strip. I took a drive out to Hoover Dam once. Other than that, it's always been airport to the Strip for me. Vegas is fun.
@GregTUSCL
Here's a link to MLS all areas of florida are on it just type in the area and your requirements you'll have more listings than you will be able to look at.
Muddy, I think it depends on what you want in a SC. You are listing the 3 best areas for Extras from SC's. If you just want naked women that dance, then there are more.
Vegas is great if you’re looking for bachelor party type medium mileage dances on the floor for $20/pop. Once upon a time it was phenomenal, but then the CH2 closed and OG followed suit. VIP prices (including mandatory drinks) are insane. Extras are available in almost every club, but you will pay through the nose. I really don’t know why Vice went about cleaning it up, it used to be a glorious bastion of sin. People don’t know it but they are better off going somewhere else. If I was going to gamble and chase tail, better off in wine country So Cal, where there are a few casinos, COI and LA clubs, and TJ is 90 minutes away. Plus there is wine and it’s 60 minutes to beaches.
Thanks Pistola, I’ll try out Scarletts and Gold Club next. Do they enforce the rule that the dancers must have both feet on the ground? Also, I agree with what you said about Vegas. I would stick with the $20 floor dances because VIP was too expensive. I didn’t know that extra were possible ITC. Maybe Sapphire in the champagne room but I’m not paying $1000, that’s for sure. I wish I had checked out CH2 and OG before they closed.
Warrior15 I like anywhere hot, so Vegas and Florida are both great options for me, regardless of humidity. And yes, Vegas is so much fun. The stories you get while living there are the best, especially when friends come to visit
i’ve enjoyed las vegas stripclubs too much. totally addicted for way too long. visited tampa, miami, phoenix, los ángeles too. all good and awesome. but my favorite is not in the usa.
"I wish I had checked out CH2 and OG before they closed."
OG was popular for all the reasons TUSCLers said it was, but looking back on it now the dancers were very chill for seeing a revolving door of new customers all the time. And hotter than they got credit for. That place was underrated.
Personally, I still think Atlanta is no.1 when it comes to strip clubs. It’s only rival to south Florida imo. When it comes to the value of dances, cover and extras, Atlanta wins. Now if Follies is closed forever than I guess South Florida is my new no.1 but hell all their clubs are closed now that’s why all of South Florida hoez is here (Atlanta) .
Why do I say Atlanta is no.1. The value. It’s why you mongers raid TJ. There are like 4 clubs in Atlanta area that offer $5 dances. Vip is cheaper here. And extras are cheaper here. Girls her look for $100/$500 on the high end. South Florida chick looking for a stack. FOH.
Now south Florida has the quantity of clubs. I mean they’re everywhere. And Broward clubs destroy Dade County clubs just like DeKalbs clubs destroy Fulton.
@gregtuscl. They claim higher prices are covid19 related but I think its just an excuse. Stores also pretty poorly stocked now. And with all the layoffs and infected casino workers I don't know how long before another shutdown.
I split my time between vegas and southern California.
As for vegas strip clubs. You only get treated like a tourist if you act like one. But thats anywhere. If you come across as a mark thats what you'll be.
I don’t think many rules are enforced at GC or Scarletts... haven’t been post Covid. GC is a lot like Crazy Horse 3, totally different club afternoon vs night. Lots of fun though. And yes, I was talking about ITC s pretty much $1k min and you can find it in Vegas.
Thanks Pistola, can’t wait to check them both out.
@Iceyloco I feel really bad thinking about my friends in Vegas. I feel like it could get really bad again similar to the ‘08 crash. That’s the right way to do it by splitting your time between Vegas and South California. I did so many trips down the I15 to LA to see family and friends. Mad at myself for never making it down to San Diego though
@Garfield84 wow I never knew how cheap Atlanta was! I’ve never been to a place with a $5 dollar lap dance. I’ve read so many comments on TUSCL about how amazing Follies is, but it sounds like Atlanta in general is awesome
Until recently, I probably would've ranked Detroit #1 for clubs, but once Detroit-proper started cracking-down on the clubs ~1 year ago, many clubs within the city-limits became a no-go thus reducing the # of hittable clubs.
South FL has a lot to offer in terms of SCs - for one, it has a LOT of clubs and mileage is consistent among almost all of them - for me the #1 drawback of SoFlo SCs is the lack of dancer-diversity - it's mostly Cuban dancers, w/ a small # of black-dives that are all black - so one has to be into dealing mostly w/ Cubanas when clubbing downhere.
Texas is pretty-descent - Dallas, Houston, Austin, have a good # of clubs with good dance mileage although extras don't seem as prominent as Detroit or Miami.
SoCal seems to have a pretty-good scene although I have no firsthand experience - it also has the advantage that one is not that far from TJ in terms of being able to do a weekend excursion every now and then.
w.r.t. Vegas - Vegas doesn't seem to have that good a rep with many seasoned hardcore SCers.
I haven't looked into home prices in SoFlo but the area is fairly notorious for pretty-high prices - it mostly comes down to supply/demand - FL is the 3rd-largest state by population and the SoFlo region is the most densely populated area of the state - a year or two ago there was a study done where the Miami area was rated the worst in the country in terms of cost-of-living vs salaries - FL is also one of the fastest growing states by population making things worse w.r.t. housing - I'm also not that sure SoFLo has that good a quality-of-life, at least not in Miami-Dade County - Miami-Dade County is kinda a banana-republic in many ways IMO.
"On the surface", Texas might have the best balance of clubs, descent-mileage, decent weather, descent COL, etc. (although TX has been growing even faster than FL in population so perhaps the COL may start getting affected).
If one really enjoys SCing and does so regularly (weekly or at least every 2 weeks), then yeah it'd be nice to live in an area w/ good clubs - but if one clubs less-frequently (1/mo or less), then there's the option of just hopping on a plane once per month or so, hitting some clubs, then coming back home; of course this isn't as convenient as having clubs nearby, and not everyone has the flexibility of coming-and-going as they please.
@Papi Chula, I have to agree with you about Texas clubs. Though I live in the Phoenix area, I have traveled to Dallas a fair amount, and a few times to other cities.
Outside of everything you mentioned, the southern charm is a definite attraction for me. There is nothing quite like a soft, sweet, southern accent.
w.r.t. Tampa - I don't have that much SC experience there - they do have a lot of clubs, but seems only a couple consistently get good reviews and the rest are hit-or-miss (although some Pasco clubs seem well-liked thus adding to the # of hittable clubs in the area).
Atlanta is good and bad - for one, about 3/4 of the clubs are black clubs, so that needs to be your thing - it also seems about 3/4 of the clubs are air-dance/no-touch clubs, thus pretty-much a waste for most hardcore SCers - I typically saw ATL as a one-trick-pony b/c of Follies; there are other ok clubs but Follies was about the only sure-thing all-the-way-around.
Metropolitan Detroit: the Detroit clubs are dead but the suburban clubs have it all, plenty of selection, able to negotiate and extras always on the menu
From the customer angle, probably because of the # of clubs, looks of the dancers in the clubs (they won’t be models but their looks are shockingly hot considering income potential), and cost of living I’d probably say Eugene/Springfield, OR or Daytona, FL.
I get the impression in both areas a LOT of stuff goes on between dancers and customers, some of them ITC or otherwise outside. But it’s mostly under wraps and law enforcement doesn’t seem to poke their nose out too much. Meanwhile, one could always vacation to the more “known” destinations like South Florida or South California.
@Papi_Chulo I can’t thank you enough for such quality posts and tons of info. I’ve seen a lot of quality posts from you on TUSCL in general and very appreciative of the time and detail you put into your responses👍
@nicespice Didn’t realize Daytona is a good spot for SCs. Makes sense given that it’s a tourist spot. Now that I’m in Central Florida I‘ll have to add it to the list of places to check out
If SCing is an important variable in choosing where to live, then it's probably kosher to make some trips to different areas of interest to check out those SC scenes and the vibe in the area and see if you can see yourself living there.
You mentioned you now live in Central FL (I assume Orlando?) - many SCers in Orlando head east to Cocoa Beach about 45-minutes away - Cocoa Beach has 3 clubs there where at least one gets decent 2-way-contact $20 topless lap-dances, and I find the area laidback (many of the dancers come from Orlando since they can can make more $$$ giving contact-dances in Cocoa Beach vs air-dances in Orlando).
They are not in the US, but Toronto or Montreal is much better than virtually every major US city. Toronto has the eye candy and the clubs near the airport have the mileage. Also tons of massage studios with attractive non-Asian women. Downtown Montreal has a bunch of clubs and is even cheaper than Toronto; if you drive ~ hour outside of the island, there are places with extras that are transparently priced.
This air dance claim In Atlanta is a false narrative. Outside of Magic City and Allure, it’s full nudity and plenty of mileage. They don’t even remove their bottoms in south Florida unless you take them to vip
Greg: "@subraman That’s so interesting as I always thought people loved Vegas strip clubs."
"People" love Vegas strip clubs. PLs don't. On every strip club forum I've ever been on -- and I'd say guys who bother to post on a SC forum are almost PLs by definition -- Vegas always ends up in top-5-worst cities. For good reasons.
Your average normal guy who thinks Vegas is awesome for SCs, is just going on his once-every-3-years boys trip, he just wants to see pretty girls and "Vegas! Wooooooooo!". The Vegas clubs definitely give a Vegas-Wooooo experience. He doesn't care that there's (usually) no extras, OTC costs a grand, the ATM charges 15% (although PLs don't go to the ATM), etc. PLs are looking for a completely different experience.
" You’re right that there isn’t a personal feel to it, but I don’t mind."
I don't care that there isn't a personal feel. No SC has a personal feel to me, unless I go there enough to start knowing everyone. It's the overall experience, typical Vegas "all sizzle, no steak, fleece the customer at every turn" atmosphere, that blows.
If I were in Vegas, I'd be looking at SA, where reports are a lot better. Hell, if reports from Vegas guys are to be believed, half the strippers are on SA anyway, charging less PPM than they ask OTC at the clubs. No idea if that's true, just an impression I've gotten
===> "@nicespice Didn’t realize Daytona is a good spot for SCs. Makes sense given that it’s a tourist spot. "
Yes Daytona is a great place to club. They really only have heavy tourist traffic during certain key months and big events each year. It also has to do with the fact that it's the only place with decent strip clubs for 80+ miles in any direction. The clubs are all right near the beach area. LE pretty much leaves them alone most years as they don't want to interfere with the $$$ flow from people flocking to Daytona Beach to party on weekends.
I hit a Daytona club at least once a year and I never fail to pick up quality OTC action. I just make sure to go on a weekday night in the off-season. Some of these girls have brazenly left with me and nobody seems to care.
About Vegas, it's been a while since I've been to Vegas clubs because I prefer the ones away from the strip and I've been too busy the past couple of trips to get there. But unless it's gone way downhill, I considered the Vegas Rhino to be one of the top strip clubs in the country. The hardcore board posters on TUSCL are not the crowd I think about when deciding on recommending a club, but I put info in my reviews for the hobbyists anyway.
Sapphire wasn't my favorite because it felt like a department store with nekkid chicks, but I liked Little Darlings and some of other glitzy clubs along with low key places like OG and Palomino. After OG closed I didn't really find another place around town that was a must visit, though.
@Rick care to briefly elaborate on Daytona? I’ve only been to DD, because it seems like the majority of them don’t open until evening and I’m more of an afternoon guy these days. OTC has been an option for almost every gal I’ve met at DD. Which ones are worth checking out?
And Subra nailed it on Vegas, it’s not for hardcore PLs
===> "He doesn't care that there's (usually) no extras, OTC costs a grand, the ATM charges 15% (although [smart club hounds] don't go to the ATM), etc. [Smart club hounds] are looking for a completely different experience.
Right on the money. And don't worry Sub, I replaced the PL term with one more fitting. ;)
I hate the club experience so much in Vegas that I didn't even bother going the last time I was there. It just blows. The girls have little to no compunction about using every trick they can think of the relieve you of cash, including empty promises and other cons. After all, the odds are good that they will never see you again, so why not?
===> "@Rick care to briefly elaborate on Daytona?"
Pistola, I only get there about once a year and the last two I never made it further than Molly Brown's. I enjoy getting a beachside room and walking over to the entertainment blocks. MB is across from a good sports bar and grill, so I like to spend my pre-game there watching football, eating dinner and getting a buzz started before strolling on over to MB under the cover of darkness. ;)
So my intel is not great. From what I read on here though it is a target rich environment all over.
Egads, I am even in agreement with Rick about the sports bar over there being good. I will say, however, that imo the money from at least the race car event is either minimal or non-existent. I had better luck finding spending customers from that crowd in Tampa than I did at the actual source. No idea why, but it is what it is. Maybe I screwed that up by going to Molly Browns instead of trying out for Grandview, but even still never again on that place.
Another interesting thing I noticed is that a lot of patrons have a giant fetish for winking at you. It was really odd, but I can def understand why Rick feels in his element. 😅
===> "Another interesting thing I noticed is that a lot of patrons have a giant fetish for winking at you. It was really odd, but I can def understand why Rick feels in his element. 😅"
I'm sure that all sounded good in your head anyway, even if it did come out a little odd here. 😉
Love all these comments. Starting with @Papi_Chulo I have read good thing about Cocoa Beach, especially the Inner Room as @twentyfive mentioned. I agree that anything is a good alternative to the air dances in Orlando. One quick note on that is that I checked out Thee Doll House of Orlando back in February And they definitely break the rules on air dances. Ended up having a really good time there if you’re ever stuck in Orlando.
@Wallanon I definitely agree with you about Spearmint. So many hot girls there, but I like Saphire for that reason too. Little Darlings is another top favorite because of their vip rooms. I usually only go with $20 floor lap dances, but I make an exception when at Little Darlings cause the prices aren’t bad. Sapphire and Spearmint VIP aren’t worth it imo.
To those saying extras aren’t easy to come by which is why you don’t like Vegas, fair point! I’m not big on extras, and go for the $20 dollar lap dances from hot girls. That really is enough for me, especially if you scout beforehand for the girls who are really good at giving lap dances. I definitely got my fair share of girls who would use $20 lap dances as a way to promote VIP rooms, and I tried to avoid those girls at all costs. I usually would end up spending $100-150 per night, and all of that was on $20 lap dances/tips.
@Rick I saw you’d recommend a weekday night in the off-season for OTC in Daytona. I’m not big on OTC, so I was thinking of going during peak spring break season on a weekend night. I’d assume that spring break is when the quality of girls is at their peak. Think that’s a safe assumption?
Thanks again for all the good comments on this discussion. Have learned a lot from you guys
===> "I’d assume that spring break is when the quality of girls is at their peak."
No. Bike week and the Daytona 500 are the two weeks where girls from all over FL descend upon Daytona. I have come to dislike those two weeks each year because half of the hotties in my local clubs disappear for the week.
Google those events for 2021 to find when they are scheduled - usually in mid-February and Mid-March.
+ Inner Room (IR) changed ownership about 3 years ago - and now it's called Dancers Royale (current owner of the former IR is the owner of Dancers Royale in Orlando which "burned down" a few months ago) - IR was more known for its value ($10 two-way-dances) and friendly dancers; not necessarily b/c it had the hottest dancers - now that it's Dancers Royale probably not that much of the old IR applies
+ Lido has traditionally been the best club (bit nicer facilities and the better looking girls in CB) - but their dayshift is so-so (IR had the better dayshift of the 3 CB clubs)
+ Cheaters had kinda been in b/w the old-IR and Lido - those that wanted the best looking girls went to Lido, those that wanted the best value went to IR, so Cheaters was in b/w - Cheaters seems to have a so-so dayshift and at night seems to cater to the younger crowd
@Rick thanks for the advice on Daytona. Will check it out on the off-season or at least outside of those two weeks.
@Papi_Chulo I’m big on going to SCs on weekend nights because day shifts are usually pretty slow. Based on what you said, I’ll probably check out Lido and take it from there. That’s too bad that I missed IR in its prime!
"To those saying extras aren’t easy to come by which is why you don’t like Vegas, fair point! I’m not big on extras, and go for the $20 dollar lap dances from hot girls. That really is enough for me, especially if you scout beforehand for the girls who are really good at giving lap dances."
Enjoy the clubs the way you'd like to enjoy them. That's the point I was aiming for earlier, but it was a little to subtle I suppose. There's plenty of times I'll just show up at a club to take in the scenery, and other times it's for some serious fun. I get it that some guys don't show up enough to mix it up. That's why there's a discussion board to chew the fat on stuff like that.
There's plenty of stories I could share about Vegas mileage that wasn't out of scale with other places (and ITC). At day, night or whatever because when I clubbed in Vegas it was round the clock. But these days I don't travel there like I used to and have plenty of local talent on tap. Used to not club much locally, but now just go whenever. Whenever they're open, that is.
@wallanon I just read your list of 335 SC rated from best to worst. I know it’s from 2009, and I’m sure a lot has changed but it was still fun reading through them. That’s impressive that you’ve been to that many. I think my numbers are more like 12-15 lol. And yea, it’s all about doing what you enjoy and what works for you.
@Lapdanceking Texas in general seems awesome. Great cost of living and a lot of SCs in the major cities.
Ya I'm going to disagree with anyone saying Vegas is a good place to go for strip clubs. The only good thing about them compared to other clubs I've been to is that you can get the same VIP treatment out on the floor which makes the basic experience more affordable. Can't really have extras but at the same time you don't have to have enough money to pay for extras if you happen to find the perfect girl.
I’m gonna disagree with many here that say Vegas is at the bottom of most lists. It’s Not top 5 and overrated by the average joe, but far from the bottom. Obviously VIP is stupid priced and extras While can be found are also usually stupidly overpriced. However a regular lap dance is reasonably priced with reasonable contact which automatically places it around the middle of the pack imo. Then You have the above average attractiveness compared to many clubs and the variety you may not get in other cities edge it up just a bit higher as well. Then the “24 hour” nature of a few clubs also Give it an edge. So yea definitely not as bad as Somepeople say, but also not as good as some people say.
Top cities in my book
Miami
Detroit
Toronto (more Mississauga )
TJ if that counts
Worst
NYC
DC
Philly
New Orleans?
Haven’t checked out zona and Texas clubs but they’re on the list
"I’m gonna disagree with many here that say Vegas is at the bottom of most lists. It’s Not top 5 and overrated by the average joe, but far from the bottom. Obviously VIP is stupid priced and extras While can be found are also usually stupidly overpriced. However a regular lap dance is reasonably priced with reasonable contact"
That's not an unreasonable view -- the girls ARE insanely hot and the $20 lapdances ARE good. I think part of Vegas's bad reputation among PLs is the difference between perception and reality -- it's a huge chasm between what you expect by reputation, and what it is. Also, consider that in Vegas:
1. Rife with aggressive champagne room scams
2. Probably the most expensive OTC anywhere.
3. 15% charge on the ATM
4. 15% charge on credit card
5. Waitress: "I can't take cash orders more than six times, you'll have to switch to a credit card" (after which, see #4).
Some of this is from memory. Last time I was at Spearmint Rhino, after we'd bought a bunch of rounds with cash, the waitress told us #5 above, after 6 rounds we had to switch to credit cards. I have no idea of that's really the policy or just the waitress working us, but that's kind of the point -- expect to be worked and scammed at every turn, regardless. We solved the problem by just switching tables and so re-setting the 6 cash orders back to zero with a new waitress... if such a rule really exists, which I'm not sure it does.
"So yea definitely not as bad as Somepeople say, but also not as good as some people say. "
I think Vegas SCs are great for most normal people. It delivers what they want -- as I mentioned, plenty of "Vegas! Wooooo!". As a PL who wants to be able to pay in cash, doesn't want to be ripped off for 15% at the ATM, isn't interested in lapdances but only VIPs and OTC, and doesn't want to deal with people trying to scam me at every turn... Vegas is not a good place. To your point, yeah, I imagine there's even worse places, I haven't been to many of the cities people are listing as "worst". Though -- for PL expectations, rather than normal people -- I can't imagine any city has such a relative difference between reputation and what it actually is.
All of that said, last couple of times I was in Vegas it was with some "Vegas! Woooo!" buddies on a guys trip, we went to Palomino both times, and I found that place pretty good!
Yes Rhino and Sapphire (and a couple others) are excellent at creating and executing scams but what strip club isn’t? They have just perfected it, but if a $40 or $50 cover as is found some nights doesn’t tip you off that big bucks will be required then ...
But there are several local clubs in Vegas that are not ripoff joints and where extra attention can be acquired at a very reasonable price. Or at least there were pre COVID-19 😢
Dont know about rhino but sapphire is an unapologetic clip joint/tourist trap. Its one thing for everything to cost a arm and a leg if you get good customer service. But at sapphire they dont even pretend to care whether you come back. They have a "give us all your money and hurry up and gtfo" attitude. And the hustle is unreal. Id almost go as far as to say most of the dancers are professional scam artists especially with the "I only do vip" bullshit. Besides the tourist traps though I wanna go back to vegas and try the other clubs.
Right ... my view is closer to chessmaster's than yours, 623. Yes, all strip clubs have a "customers are suckers" culture to some extent, it's unfortunately endemic in the industry. But it's an entirely different level in the big Vegas clubs, you can't dismiss it with "what strip club isn't? They have just perfected it"... it's above-and-beyond, and can get unbelievably slimy.
Although, again, I didn't feel this way at Palomino. Might end up my home club if I lived there or visited often enough
@nice, good question Re: Philly. Personally, can't say much. Never been able to club there. Would like to know the answer too.
FWIW, Philly area is exempt from the smoking law that applies everywhere else in PA. AFAIK, many Philly clubs are still smoking allowed... which goes a long way in cutting my interests.
It is possible I was unfair to philly, only been twice and just happened to have bad experiences. Had runins with gps and it was earlier on in my PL career so I should probably give it another shot. So I’ll rescind that and add Orlando which I somehow forgot and may be at the very bottom of my city list.
“1. Rife with aggressive champagne room scams
2. Probably the most expensive OTC anywhere.
3. 15% charge on the ATM
4. 15% charge on credit card
5. Waitress: "I can't take cash orders more than six times, you'll have to switch to a credit card" (after which, see #4)”
I’m learning a lot about the cons of Vegas that I personally had never experienced in the 5 years I lived there because I never sought out extras, bought drinks, paid covers, took cash out of the ATM, or went VIP. Most of the time, I’d be at Saphire or Spearmint with $100 cash getting two-way contact lap dances from really hot girls. I’m realizing now that Vegas isn’t the best of the best unless you’re there solely for the $20 lap dances like I was. A lot of good points were made that I hadn’t formerly considered. I’m considering myself lucky to not be scammed like others have been. Then again there have been some girls early on who did scam me with shitty lap dances but I learned quick.
Also, @Playademan couldn’t have explained it better, and perfectly sums up my view of why I loved Vegas so much during the 5 years I lived there. “A regular lap dance is reasonably priced with reasonable contact which automatically places it around the middle of the pack imo. Then You have the above average attractiveness compared to many clubs and the variety you may not get in other cities edge it up just a bit higher as well. Then the “24 hour” nature of a few clubs also Give it an edge.“ Well said!
" I’m realizing now that Vegas isn’t the best of the best unless you’re there solely for the $20 lap dances like I was."
You are like a local "Vegas! Woo!" guy -- and that's great! I'm a PL, I'm looking for extras and OTC, lots of drinking ITC, etc. Yes, I can certainly see how, if you're happy with decent-contact $20 lapdances with strippers who are Vegas-hot, you'd like Vegas.
Philly is a great place to club. There are so many options, from a few high end clubs with girls as hot as you'll find anywhere in the country to down and dirty dives and everything in between. Over the years I've also found my share of under-appreciated gems in some of the mid-tier clubs.
Now it's definitely not cheap to have fun in Philly, at least compared to the standards I have become spoiled by now here in NE FL, but compared to places like NYC and Vegas it's a veritable bargain. When I lived in the NYC metro area I used to enjoy the occasional overnight in Philly.
Philly can definitely deliver some fun, and without breaking the bank too much. Also not too far, Baltimore has The Block with ample action (pre-COVID). Plenty of OTC as well in both places. What else is near... Atlantic City. Fun can be had, but you really need to do your research and hope it's not enforcement season. Like Vegas, they will rinse tourists, unless you're a regular or know the game. The bartenders are your key in AC even more than in other areas I've found.
For Vegas, I love the people watching. Easy enough to pick up OTC walking back to your hotel room or (even better) off SA. SA is hit and miss in many cities, but it's the jam in Vegas. ITC or OTC in Vegas isn't worth it, hit the same girls from the SA angle. Can confirm many are on it... but better yet so are many of the waitresses and other staff in Vegas.
North Carolina also has some sleeper spots with ample ITC and OTC action. I've also had some good times in St Louis but there are so many better places to go... Detroit for one. NOLA used to be reliable for ITC but that all got shut down.
I am from SoCal and my mongering and strip club experiences are in SoCal, Norcal, and Tijuana.
Over SoCal does not just have great clubs in LA and TJ is only 2 hours away but the COI is a mongering award winning collection of strip clubs.
Within a two-three mile área there are 6 six clubs (Knockouts, Synn, Paradise, Satin, Sprearmint Rhino, and Bliss) which all offer a great variety of dancing options and plenty of extra fun.
Knockouts and Satin are topless clubs with plenty of high mileage dances with hot dancers at decent prices, Sprearmint Rhino is an extras club with a good number of high quality dancer, Synn has the most dancers and plenty with the program and the pricing on Thursdays makes it the perfect strip club destination, while Bliss and Paradise have (mostly) B team dancers the value of the extras makes it a worthwhile destination.
Aside from the clubs, Southern California also has plenty of bikini bars, bikini Coffee Shops, Hostess bars, massage palors, night clubs, carshows (lowrider, import, etc), expos (Model, adult, etc), and so many more eye candy venues.
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But prices are increasing quickly. Restaurant prices are ridiculous right now and the quality has really decreased. Rents are going up. Car insurance is expensive. Groceries cost more than in Los Angeles
The weather here is better than in the desert, in my opinion.
I think that's where you might have different values than most PLs here. I think very few people who will disagree with the statement that, given what most tusclers are looking for, Vegas strip clubs are among the worst for major cities. Overpriced tourists traps set up to fleece each customer and treat them like a sucker every chance they get. Of course, there's an extent to which all SCs do that, but Vegas brings it to a new artform. The clubs are truly terrible, and for me, Vegas is actually a place I visit often and am thrilled to pass on the clubs there. And this is from someone who lives in SF, another top contender for worst clubs.
I do realize there's a non-touristy Vegas that can be pretty fun. But the SCs aren't part of it!
The greater Tampa area has some great strip clubs and housing isn't as bad as South Florida. The best value clubs are in the neighboring counties to Tampa in Pinellas and Pasco Counties.
Oregon has a ton of strip clubs but it's been a while since I went out to clubs there so don't know how the value has held up over the years. Of course, there's a lot of stuff going on in Portland right now. Rural Oregon has their strip clubs as well. When I went out there, I found a lot of the Oregon clubs were nude with alcohol.
The lightning there really is crazy. Was thinking about taking a job there once, but someone who had a vote at the time was terrified of the weather so I went someplace else.
Sorry @wallonon didn’t realize you were quoting Mike there, disregard my last comment to you
The more fun clubs are in Pinellas and Pasco anywhere from 30-45 minutes from the Tampa airport. Lots of extras over there and management doesn't really go into the VIP area.
The sun is shining. The birds are falling from the skies.....
Everything is great!
Cover charges are low for most clubs, mostly free during the day and even at night $20 will get you in almost anywhere. I hate the Vegas clubs compared to the ones here. I won't even bother with them, I'll go with friends if thats what the group decides, but I never go solo or suggest it.
But I have to admit. My knowledge of Vegas is The Strip. I took a drive out to Hoover Dam once. Other than that, it's always been airport to the Strip for me. Vegas is fun.
Here's a link to MLS all areas of florida are on it just type in the area and your requirements you'll have more listings than you will be able to look at.
http://www.mls.com/
Scarletts & Gold Club > Mons & 3001
OG was popular for all the reasons TUSCLers said it was, but looking back on it now the dancers were very chill for seeing a revolving door of new customers all the time. And hotter than they got credit for. That place was underrated.
Why do I say Atlanta is no.1. The value. It’s why you mongers raid TJ. There are like 4 clubs in Atlanta area that offer $5 dances. Vip is cheaper here. And extras are cheaper here. Girls her look for $100/$500 on the high end. South Florida chick looking for a stack. FOH.
Now south Florida has the quantity of clubs. I mean they’re everywhere. And Broward clubs destroy Dade County clubs just like DeKalbs clubs destroy Fulton.
I split my time between vegas and southern California.
As for vegas strip clubs. You only get treated like a tourist if you act like one. But thats anywhere. If you come across as a mark thats what you'll be.
@Iceyloco I feel really bad thinking about my friends in Vegas. I feel like it could get really bad again similar to the ‘08 crash. That’s the right way to do it by splitting your time between Vegas and South California. I did so many trips down the I15 to LA to see family and friends. Mad at myself for never making it down to San Diego though
South FL has a lot to offer in terms of SCs - for one, it has a LOT of clubs and mileage is consistent among almost all of them - for me the #1 drawback of SoFlo SCs is the lack of dancer-diversity - it's mostly Cuban dancers, w/ a small # of black-dives that are all black - so one has to be into dealing mostly w/ Cubanas when clubbing downhere.
Texas is pretty-descent - Dallas, Houston, Austin, have a good # of clubs with good dance mileage although extras don't seem as prominent as Detroit or Miami.
SoCal seems to have a pretty-good scene although I have no firsthand experience - it also has the advantage that one is not that far from TJ in terms of being able to do a weekend excursion every now and then.
w.r.t. Vegas - Vegas doesn't seem to have that good a rep with many seasoned hardcore SCers.
I haven't looked into home prices in SoFlo but the area is fairly notorious for pretty-high prices - it mostly comes down to supply/demand - FL is the 3rd-largest state by population and the SoFlo region is the most densely populated area of the state - a year or two ago there was a study done where the Miami area was rated the worst in the country in terms of cost-of-living vs salaries - FL is also one of the fastest growing states by population making things worse w.r.t. housing - I'm also not that sure SoFLo has that good a quality-of-life, at least not in Miami-Dade County - Miami-Dade County is kinda a banana-republic in many ways IMO.
"On the surface", Texas might have the best balance of clubs, descent-mileage, decent weather, descent COL, etc. (although TX has been growing even faster than FL in population so perhaps the COL may start getting affected).
If one really enjoys SCing and does so regularly (weekly or at least every 2 weeks), then yeah it'd be nice to live in an area w/ good clubs - but if one clubs less-frequently (1/mo or less), then there's the option of just hopping on a plane once per month or so, hitting some clubs, then coming back home; of course this isn't as convenient as having clubs nearby, and not everyone has the flexibility of coming-and-going as they please.
Outside of everything you mentioned, the southern charm is a definite attraction for me. There is nothing quite like a soft, sweet, southern accent.
Atlanta is good and bad - for one, about 3/4 of the clubs are black clubs, so that needs to be your thing - it also seems about 3/4 of the clubs are air-dance/no-touch clubs, thus pretty-much a waste for most hardcore SCers - I typically saw ATL as a one-trick-pony b/c of Follies; there are other ok clubs but Follies was about the only sure-thing all-the-way-around.
I get the impression in both areas a LOT of stuff goes on between dancers and customers, some of them ITC or otherwise outside. But it’s mostly under wraps and law enforcement doesn’t seem to poke their nose out too much. Meanwhile, one could always vacation to the more “known” destinations like South Florida or South California.
You mentioned you now live in Central FL (I assume Orlando?) - many SCers in Orlando head east to Cocoa Beach about 45-minutes away - Cocoa Beach has 3 clubs there where at least one gets decent 2-way-contact $20 topless lap-dances, and I find the area laidback (many of the dancers come from Orlando since they can can make more $$$ giving contact-dances in Cocoa Beach vs air-dances in Orlando).
"People" love Vegas strip clubs. PLs don't. On every strip club forum I've ever been on -- and I'd say guys who bother to post on a SC forum are almost PLs by definition -- Vegas always ends up in top-5-worst cities. For good reasons.
Your average normal guy who thinks Vegas is awesome for SCs, is just going on his once-every-3-years boys trip, he just wants to see pretty girls and "Vegas! Wooooooooo!". The Vegas clubs definitely give a Vegas-Wooooo experience. He doesn't care that there's (usually) no extras, OTC costs a grand, the ATM charges 15% (although PLs don't go to the ATM), etc. PLs are looking for a completely different experience.
" You’re right that there isn’t a personal feel to it, but I don’t mind."
I don't care that there isn't a personal feel. No SC has a personal feel to me, unless I go there enough to start knowing everyone. It's the overall experience, typical Vegas "all sizzle, no steak, fleece the customer at every turn" atmosphere, that blows.
If I were in Vegas, I'd be looking at SA, where reports are a lot better. Hell, if reports from Vegas guys are to be believed, half the strippers are on SA anyway, charging less PPM than they ask OTC at the clubs. No idea if that's true, just an impression I've gotten
Yes Daytona is a great place to club. They really only have heavy tourist traffic during certain key months and big events each year. It also has to do with the fact that it's the only place with decent strip clubs for 80+ miles in any direction. The clubs are all right near the beach area. LE pretty much leaves them alone most years as they don't want to interfere with the $$$ flow from people flocking to Daytona Beach to party on weekends.
I hit a Daytona club at least once a year and I never fail to pick up quality OTC action. I just make sure to go on a weekday night in the off-season. Some of these girls have brazenly left with me and nobody seems to care.
Sapphire wasn't my favorite because it felt like a department store with nekkid chicks, but I liked Little Darlings and some of other glitzy clubs along with low key places like OG and Palomino. After OG closed I didn't really find another place around town that was a must visit, though.
Daytona is over 80 miles away from Cocoa.
In Texas, would it be "all hat, no cattle"?
And Subra nailed it on Vegas, it’s not for hardcore PLs
Right on the money. And don't worry Sub, I replaced the PL term with one more fitting. ;)
I hate the club experience so much in Vegas that I didn't even bother going the last time I was there. It just blows. The girls have little to no compunction about using every trick they can think of the relieve you of cash, including empty promises and other cons. After all, the odds are good that they will never see you again, so why not?
Pistola, I only get there about once a year and the last two I never made it further than Molly Brown's. I enjoy getting a beachside room and walking over to the entertainment blocks. MB is across from a good sports bar and grill, so I like to spend my pre-game there watching football, eating dinner and getting a buzz started before strolling on over to MB under the cover of darkness. ;)
So my intel is not great. From what I read on here though it is a target rich environment all over.
Another interesting thing I noticed is that a lot of patrons have a giant fetish for winking at you. It was really odd, but I can def understand why Rick feels in his element. 😅
I'm sure that all sounded good in your head anyway, even if it did come out a little odd here. 😉
@Wallanon I definitely agree with you about Spearmint. So many hot girls there, but I like Saphire for that reason too. Little Darlings is another top favorite because of their vip rooms. I usually only go with $20 floor lap dances, but I make an exception when at Little Darlings cause the prices aren’t bad. Sapphire and Spearmint VIP aren’t worth it imo.
To those saying extras aren’t easy to come by which is why you don’t like Vegas, fair point! I’m not big on extras, and go for the $20 dollar lap dances from hot girls. That really is enough for me, especially if you scout beforehand for the girls who are really good at giving lap dances. I definitely got my fair share of girls who would use $20 lap dances as a way to promote VIP rooms, and I tried to avoid those girls at all costs. I usually would end up spending $100-150 per night, and all of that was on $20 lap dances/tips.
@Rick I saw you’d recommend a weekday night in the off-season for OTC in Daytona. I’m not big on OTC, so I was thinking of going during peak spring break season on a weekend night. I’d assume that spring break is when the quality of girls is at their peak. Think that’s a safe assumption?
Thanks again for all the good comments on this discussion. Have learned a lot from you guys
No. Bike week and the Daytona 500 are the two weeks where girls from all over FL descend upon Daytona. I have come to dislike those two weeks each year because half of the hotties in my local clubs disappear for the week.
Google those events for 2021 to find when they are scheduled - usually in mid-February and Mid-March.
+ Inner Room (IR) changed ownership about 3 years ago - and now it's called Dancers Royale (current owner of the former IR is the owner of Dancers Royale in Orlando which "burned down" a few months ago) - IR was more known for its value ($10 two-way-dances) and friendly dancers; not necessarily b/c it had the hottest dancers - now that it's Dancers Royale probably not that much of the old IR applies
+ Lido has traditionally been the best club (bit nicer facilities and the better looking girls in CB) - but their dayshift is so-so (IR had the better dayshift of the 3 CB clubs)
+ Cheaters had kinda been in b/w the old-IR and Lido - those that wanted the best looking girls went to Lido, those that wanted the best value went to IR, so Cheaters was in b/w - Cheaters seems to have a so-so dayshift and at night seems to cater to the younger crowd
@Papi_Chulo I’m big on going to SCs on weekend nights because day shifts are usually pretty slow. Based on what you said, I’ll probably check out Lido and take it from there. That’s too bad that I missed IR in its prime!
Enjoy the clubs the way you'd like to enjoy them. That's the point I was aiming for earlier, but it was a little to subtle I suppose. There's plenty of times I'll just show up at a club to take in the scenery, and other times it's for some serious fun. I get it that some guys don't show up enough to mix it up. That's why there's a discussion board to chew the fat on stuff like that.
There's plenty of stories I could share about Vegas mileage that wasn't out of scale with other places (and ITC). At day, night or whatever because when I clubbed in Vegas it was round the clock. But these days I don't travel there like I used to and have plenty of local talent on tap. Used to not club much locally, but now just go whenever. Whenever they're open, that is.
@Lapdanceking Texas in general seems awesome. Great cost of living and a lot of SCs in the major cities.
Top cities in my book
Miami
Detroit
Toronto (more Mississauga )
TJ if that counts
Worst
NYC
DC
Philly
New Orleans?
Haven’t checked out zona and Texas clubs but they’re on the list
That's not an unreasonable view -- the girls ARE insanely hot and the $20 lapdances ARE good. I think part of Vegas's bad reputation among PLs is the difference between perception and reality -- it's a huge chasm between what you expect by reputation, and what it is. Also, consider that in Vegas:
1. Rife with aggressive champagne room scams
2. Probably the most expensive OTC anywhere.
3. 15% charge on the ATM
4. 15% charge on credit card
5. Waitress: "I can't take cash orders more than six times, you'll have to switch to a credit card" (after which, see #4).
Some of this is from memory. Last time I was at Spearmint Rhino, after we'd bought a bunch of rounds with cash, the waitress told us #5 above, after 6 rounds we had to switch to credit cards. I have no idea of that's really the policy or just the waitress working us, but that's kind of the point -- expect to be worked and scammed at every turn, regardless. We solved the problem by just switching tables and so re-setting the 6 cash orders back to zero with a new waitress... if such a rule really exists, which I'm not sure it does.
"So yea definitely not as bad as Somepeople say, but also not as good as some people say. "
I think Vegas SCs are great for most normal people. It delivers what they want -- as I mentioned, plenty of "Vegas! Wooooo!". As a PL who wants to be able to pay in cash, doesn't want to be ripped off for 15% at the ATM, isn't interested in lapdances but only VIPs and OTC, and doesn't want to deal with people trying to scam me at every turn... Vegas is not a good place. To your point, yeah, I imagine there's even worse places, I haven't been to many of the cities people are listing as "worst". Though -- for PL expectations, rather than normal people -- I can't imagine any city has such a relative difference between reputation and what it actually is.
All of that said, last couple of times I was in Vegas it was with some "Vegas! Woooo!" buddies on a guys trip, we went to Palomino both times, and I found that place pretty good!
But there are several local clubs in Vegas that are not ripoff joints and where extra attention can be acquired at a very reasonable price. Or at least there were pre COVID-19 😢
Although, again, I didn't feel this way at Palomino. Might end up my home club if I lived there or visited often enough
FWIW, Philly area is exempt from the smoking law that applies everywhere else in PA. AFAIK, many Philly clubs are still smoking allowed... which goes a long way in cutting my interests.
It's Philly
2. Probably the most expensive OTC anywhere.
3. 15% charge on the ATM
4. 15% charge on credit card
5. Waitress: "I can't take cash orders more than six times, you'll have to switch to a credit card" (after which, see #4)”
I’m learning a lot about the cons of Vegas that I personally had never experienced in the 5 years I lived there because I never sought out extras, bought drinks, paid covers, took cash out of the ATM, or went VIP. Most of the time, I’d be at Saphire or Spearmint with $100 cash getting two-way contact lap dances from really hot girls. I’m realizing now that Vegas isn’t the best of the best unless you’re there solely for the $20 lap dances like I was. A lot of good points were made that I hadn’t formerly considered. I’m considering myself lucky to not be scammed like others have been. Then again there have been some girls early on who did scam me with shitty lap dances but I learned quick.
Also, @Playademan couldn’t have explained it better, and perfectly sums up my view of why I loved Vegas so much during the 5 years I lived there. “A regular lap dance is reasonably priced with reasonable contact which automatically places it around the middle of the pack imo. Then You have the above average attractiveness compared to many clubs and the variety you may not get in other cities edge it up just a bit higher as well. Then the “24 hour” nature of a few clubs also Give it an edge.“ Well said!
You are like a local "Vegas! Woo!" guy -- and that's great! I'm a PL, I'm looking for extras and OTC, lots of drinking ITC, etc. Yes, I can certainly see how, if you're happy with decent-contact $20 lapdances with strippers who are Vegas-hot, you'd like Vegas.
Pussy or Party...
NAAAASTY
Now it's definitely not cheap to have fun in Philly, at least compared to the standards I have become spoiled by now here in NE FL, but compared to places like NYC and Vegas it's a veritable bargain. When I lived in the NYC metro area I used to enjoy the occasional overnight in Philly.
For Vegas, I love the people watching. Easy enough to pick up OTC walking back to your hotel room or (even better) off SA. SA is hit and miss in many cities, but it's the jam in Vegas. ITC or OTC in Vegas isn't worth it, hit the same girls from the SA angle. Can confirm many are on it... but better yet so are many of the waitresses and other staff in Vegas.
North Carolina also has some sleeper spots with ample ITC and OTC action. I've also had some good times in St Louis but there are so many better places to go... Detroit for one. NOLA used to be reliable for ITC but that all got shut down.
Over SoCal does not just have great clubs in LA and TJ is only 2 hours away but the COI is a mongering award winning collection of strip clubs.
Within a two-three mile área there are 6 six clubs (Knockouts, Synn, Paradise, Satin, Sprearmint Rhino, and Bliss) which all offer a great variety of dancing options and plenty of extra fun.
Knockouts and Satin are topless clubs with plenty of high mileage dances with hot dancers at decent prices, Sprearmint Rhino is an extras club with a good number of high quality dancer, Synn has the most dancers and plenty with the program and the pricing on Thursdays makes it the perfect strip club destination, while Bliss and Paradise have (mostly) B team dancers the value of the extras makes it a worthwhile destination.
Aside from the clubs, Southern California also has plenty of bikini bars, bikini Coffee Shops, Hostess bars, massage palors, night clubs, carshows (lowrider, import, etc), expos (Model, adult, etc), and so many more eye candy venues.