founder take notice please
twentyfive
Living well and enjoying my retirement
Let’s have a discussion about this section of the forum. I’m not talking out of school here but you have mentioned community more than once over the years I have been here, even in the heading of the unpublished reviews section, which I believe was a major improvement. If you don’t contribute something, how is it a community?
At this point I am talking about folks who disrupt the entire community and contribute nothing.
I don’t have anything to say about off topic subjects, because most people in any community have various interests, and should be encouraged to discuss them as well.
What I am talking about is that to participate in this side of the board there should be a requirement that at the very least you should have at least three reviews published or be a verified dancer, even if that means appropriate vetting. That will show that you understand that this is a community Some will say this is a call for moderation, it is not, that’s a whole nother topic.
Let’s see how much everyone cares about community.
At this point I am talking about folks who disrupt the entire community and contribute nothing.
I don’t have anything to say about off topic subjects, because most people in any community have various interests, and should be encouraged to discuss them as well.
What I am talking about is that to participate in this side of the board there should be a requirement that at the very least you should have at least three reviews published or be a verified dancer, even if that means appropriate vetting. That will show that you understand that this is a community Some will say this is a call for moderation, it is not, that’s a whole nother topic.
Let’s see how much everyone cares about community.
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While the new system isn’t perfect, it’s a decided improvement on troll limitation. I also take comfort in that the VIP status burns off every four weeks so they’ll have to keep posting reviews to maintain access. They can annoy in the VIP but make them work for it.
Hence what I said when these concepts were first floated, which is that there is no real way to maintain a discussion area that is conducive to mixed male and female interaction without some minimum level of moderation. As Jimmy rightly pointed out, trolls will always find a way around purely automated hurdles. At some point there needs to be human intervention.
Now obviously an account that has paid to be on this site cannot be banned outright, but I have to imagine that there's a way to code a suspend or access block to the VIP discussion board. That way the account can still have full VIP access to the reviews, but not to the VIP discussion area if he cannot use it responsibly. Just a thought.
But VIP discussion board access should have a higher participation requirement that cannot be bypassed simply by payment.
As always, not my sandbox.
In another thread, founder stated that any published review that is bogus should be brought to his attention and he would delete both the review *and* the offending profile. He has done exactly that twice now (BigDickSammy and family_man). So, it's not a bluff. I also think it's the reason why more trolls have not tried to write fake reviews.
So, I do think that a review requirement has more teeth on it.
Aside... I think it's a smart policy. I suspect that discussions board regulars are a tiny percentage of daily TUSCL users who focus on the reviews. Those guys get bad data whenever someone tries to hack the system.
Having the Front Room be a troll convention is fine if moderation is out of the question. But it would be nice to attract those high-volume reviewers to the VIP discussion area. I don't think that will happen if certain profiles are hell bent on disrupting every thread.
My 2 cents.
I came down on the other side -- I was surprised it took this long. Studies of internet trolls conclude they really are terrible miserable people, their behavior here isn't an act but a manifestation of their behavior in general, which prevents them from having any actual social life. And that's consistent with the most ubiquitous trolls here: this forum is their life. Almost delusional to think a troll who seemed to be on here 24/7 and whose main purpose was to disrupt the forum and engage in deeply personal insult-fests, would simply disappear; that kind of person would re-invent new fun trolls to come back with. But no such thing as someone whose entire social life and entire source of joy is based on turning tuscl into a shit show, simply going away.
If enough people vote to bounce someone it would hide all their posts and keep them from coming back for a day or two. They could still post in the front room.
Another idea is to give them a cooloff period after each post. Imagine what it would be like I f a troll had to wait 15 min between comments.
Btw, are you going to keep trolling me with these whiny and petulant posts in every thread I participate in moving forward? Just curious as you're obviously having trouble letting go, which is kinda' funny really given how little trouble you have doing that to a club visit after a mere 10 minutes. ☺
I don't, for too many reasons to state, including the LCD effect and turning this into a popularity contest with people trying too hard to post what others want to hear.
"Kick em in the nuts 25"
^this is correct
I'm not 100% convinced that would be effective without a prohibitive review + VIP price, and that's probably not a great business model.
I still maintain that no system will be truly effective if moderation isn't part of the answer. I have both Trap Baby and Icey on ignore now, but they and others are still going to make new participants think twice about bothering, especially ladies who stick their toes in to check it out.
As far as raising the barrier to entry for VIP...maybe. But on the other hand, TUSCLer user woodstock has access to VIP and hasn’t written a review before.
He is definitely legit though and has personally met me, April9424, and founder.
It's not easy, by any means.
And users who I think are legit, but who respond to, enable, and legitimize the trolls; still don't understand why, or if they realize what harm it's doing to the forum.
Good point. Hmm, in that case, maybe make it so that people who purchased VIP but haven’t contributed yet can view VIP but can’t post anything?
And users who I think are legit, but who respond to, enable, and legitimize the trolls; still don't understand why, or if they realize what harm it's doing to the forum."
Not sure how to quote a quote, but there goes my attempt. Anyway, I see that as our biggest challenge. A number of posters I consider legitimate often feed the trolls, be it the prankster types or the more malicious ones or even the helpless sap types. I'll admit I frequently give the helpless seeming cliche types the benefit of the doubt. Honestly, I feel there's little harm in that type of trolling as those are the questions that probably bring a lot of new folks here. Having them & the subsequent answers on the board I think brings value, even if the poster was just some miserable troll trying to waste peoples time. I don't get why people feed in to the prankster/malicious shit though.
As has been mentioned, use of the Ignore function or just simply ignoring those posts should work well enough.
I was never a fan of splitting up the board as if the VIP section would be some kinda "impenetrable barrier" - as more legit posters opted for the VIP section, there would not be enough for the trolls to feed on in the non-VIP section and they would need to migrate to the VIP section to survive.
I think we just need to accept trolling as part of the web and just learn how to deal w/ it w/o requiring Founder to devote large resources to it which he seems to be unable or unwilling to do (understandably).
+1 the troll feeders are to blame at this point. You're proposal will only encourage trolling the review section.
In other words, twice as many forums to spam and troll now. As David Byrne would say, "Same as it ever was."
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Nailed it.
Founder: in your PM to me you asked for "constructive criticism." OK, here you go. Some I've written before, some are new.
#1: Stop actively encouraging trolls. You do this by including the #1 troll on this site (SJG, who admits to never going inside a strip club) and the #1 fake reviewer on this site (Juice, who has admitted that over 100 of his reviews are fake, but he's "sorry" now) in your TUSCL tag lines.
#2: Create an off topic section for everyone. Those who want to talk about sports, politics, jokes, or whatever, can post there and leave either forum more available for those actually come to talk about, you know, strip clubs.
#3: Make it impossible to post back-to-back in threads. No more "I blew up an airport shitter" 50 times in a row.
#4: Not even gonna realistically bring up moderating this site, because that, for whatever reason, is a non-starter for you.
Ultimately, you always get the message board you deserve. This message board has become the internet's version of the movie "Idiocracy" a movie in which stupidity and mediocrity are celebrated and become the dominant characteristics of the human species.
That's my take, and I am admittedly in the minority here, so please, all of you carry on while simultaneously complaining about the trolls but demanding this site needs no moderators.
CP
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Over 70 reviews of 14 clubs, but only a total 10 discussion interactions. It's interesting that he surfaced in the VIP room and not the Front Room. It's also a blessing, because in the Front Room he would have likely had to get his head around SJG, txtittyfag, IceyLoco, TrapBaby, as well as all the inside-baseball spoof accounts.
A solid user who just wants to start a thread about how strip clubs have changed over the years shouldn't require a playbill listing all misfit toys that might blow up his discussion. Telling him to "just use the ignore tool" is *literally* useless.
Maybe requiring three reviews isn't the best answer. But I do think that there should be some barrier to entry that is more substantial than a fee and requires some level of interest / investment.
Perfect example, at least 2 people have already voted for nicespice in a thread named "top 5 current contributors". She has 0 reviews and at least 10 troll accounts. What has she contributed besides being a female?
And shadowcat is correct; the only way for trolls to go away is to utterly ignore them. Sadly, it can take a while.
Oops. I was way off the mark there. Okay, 25’s argument is strengthened even more then.
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^^ This would be a good idea, however if something like this was in affect it would be nice to have an edit feature or something like gmail has to stop something from being sent.
gawker said ...While I no longer contribute much I enjoy reading the "conversations" and discussions almost every night. As an older member I get a kick out of how offended some PL's get by trolls/disrupters.
^Brilliant!
Instead you say 'we have a problem with trolls but she is a top contributor.' She really doesn't contribute much, unless you sum up her troll accounts and then yeah she's got more posts than anybody the past year. Anyway, I do hope you wind up fucking her. :)
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Nicespice does have a recent review