OT: drugs

So you're on Xanax, you have been on or tried Adderall, Zoloft and Flexeril - I knew you were crazy this proves it!

Lol - I'm only messing with you.

Aside from alcohol, I have been drug free for over 13 years, with the exception of snorting Adderall a few times when I have been in Vegas - and that was mainly to help me stay awake.

Masturbation, TV, potato chips, strip clubs, porno, as I get a high from all of these drugs. Oh, and I must also add SJG's posts.

I'm white, and it's been said Starbucks and krispy kremes are like crack for white people.... I am more of a Tim Hortons fan personally.

lol!

Just booze and occasional medical marijuana

No drugs, except maybe caffeine, and I might cut this out. Minor amounts of alcohol, but decades ago. Zero now.

Never in my entire life tobacco or illegal drugs. And never psychiatric medication. And I completely reject the New Wine of Born Again Christianity.

I don't think any good ever comes from drugs or escapism.

Our country has a much more serious problem with doctor prescribed drugs, than with the illegal kind.

There is only one mood alternant that I go for, as a form of pagan liturgy, and this is tantric sex.

I also do a great deal of reflection and meditation.

Tantric sex, meditation, and reflection, expand my consciousness and give me mystical experiences. No need for anything else, not ever.

SJG

PS, replying to Meat72's posts is a bummer and a waste of time. Better not to even bother.

Lol Shailynn... I looove the way xanax binds to my GABA receptors. Haha. If only it were not so addictive - I'd be taking it every day. Maybe multiple times a day. It's literally a miracle drug. It cures anxiety, nausea, hangovers, and pms. It also gives me an appetite which is great because I love food. But I do use it responsibly and as prescribed.

I don't even think Flexeril is addictive. The last time I took it was like 3 yrs ago when I woke up in horrible pain from pole work. It never really made me high per se, just calm and drowsy.

Adderall is nice but I couldn't take it regularly. Only during final exams lol. I'm thin enough, I don't need anything that decreases my appetite.

I take Lipitor and an 81 mg daily baby aspirin

I smoke weed almost every day. It's a wonder drug. And it greatly enhances the strip club experience. I'm planning to get high with a blow job queen itc tonight.

I drink alcohol frequently but rarely get very drunk.

I almost took Molly with a stripper recently but tusclers talked me out of it.

That's it.

^^^^^ This is a recent development for JS69, learned from his DS. I am hoping he will soon return to his senses.

SJG

I really want to try meditation as a means to cope with my anxiety but it's so bad I fear I'll always need to be medicated for it :(

Zoloft was a sham, Dr said it would reduce my anxiety and increase my appetite - LIES! I lost weight on it and it nauseated me.

Cigs are gross, I'm so glad that habit never stuck with me. I never liked them. Ew ew ew

If everyone smoked weed, the world would be a better place.

Watch this guy and read his books. Our mental heath crisis is caused by the giving out of psych meds.

youtube.com

SJG

^^^ in the 70's everyone did, except our parents

weed is just another way to dissociate. So I do not at all agree that it is good.

SJG

@SJG: JS69 has completely lost it, I won't count on that.

SJG - weed is a miracle drug with tons of health benefits. It's safer than almost any over the counter med. Zero people have OD'ed on it. It's safer than aspirin, ibuprofen, etc. It has life-saving qualities and recent studies have even shown it shrinking cancer cells. It's the safest drug I mentioned and virtually not physically addictive. It's not a Dissociative, but I can understand a person getting so high that they feel dissociative effects. I respect your decision to never try it, but please understand that it is pretty much a harmless herb. Caffeine is more addictive.

If one is going to go thru a divorce, the pain is immense. Better if one can face it in real time. This means no drugs and no sexual relationships.

But this is not always the case.

SJG

Oh SJG I completely agree that "psych meds" are generally harmful, especially long term (although I didn't click the link), but weed is not one of them.

If a person is going through severe mental distress I would totally recommend monitored mind-altering drugs rx drugs, IF that gets them through it without causing them more damage. Ie find a reputable psychiatrist and take the drugs as prescribed.

Nina wrote, "weed is a miracle drug with tons of health benefits..."

I know that lots of people believe this. The more they use it, the more they depend on it, though this addiction is mostly psychological. The reason it is psychologically addictive is that people use it to avoid facing their own feelings, so that they don't have to live in their own skin. The longer they do this for, the more harmed they become.

And yes, caffeine is both physically and psychologically addictive. But I would say that the psychological part of the caffeine addiction is less than with marijuana.

SJG

"Caffeine is more addictive"

Sez the person who smokes weed multiple times a day.

(Sorry, I couldn't resist)

A few of my dancer friends have wanted me to smoke with them - but I've resd about too many people that have experienced a very fast heart rate after smoking. I just don't wanna take the chance. I would like to hear the truth though.

"If everyone smoked weed, the world would be a better place."

A fucking men. I bet weed could even make Dougster warm and approachable.

Nina wrote, "If a person is going through severe mental distress I would totally recommend monitored mind-altering drugs ..."

I would never recommend this. People need to face their feelings, This is what mental distress is, really bad feelings, and always for good reasons. No other way but to face them, and this can take years. But still have to do it.

Alcohol, street drugs, born again Christianity, and psychiatric medication all work pretty much the same way. Someone using them is permanently altered. Or at least the path back would be very hard. It is because they don't face their feelings, so they become permanently dissociated.

It is like with the Pentecostal Daughter Molester whom I helped put into San Quentin. His life had been driven first with marijuana cocaine and alcohol. The he was approached by Campus Evangelicals and his addictive state advanced to the point where Born Again Christianity could replace marijuana and cocaine. But he still had alcohol on top of his Born Again Christianity.

Then he had a midlife crisis and a nervous breakdown. Hopefully he would have started to feel his feeling then and admitted that he needed a divorce and a new career. Very much like in the 1969 Kirk Douglas movie, The Arrangement.

Well this guy did not listen to his feelings. Instead he listened to the white coats who told him that he had a brain chemical imbalance and a psychiatric condition and so that he needed to be on psych meds.

So he never figured out why he was on marijuana and cocaine. He just found that Born Again Christianity gave him what they gave him.

He never figured out why he was on alcohol, he just found that psych meds gave him what that gave him.

So I spent many pages explaining to the DA that this is how it works in his church. Most of them have serious histories with alcohol, drugs, and spousal abuse. But then they got SAVED!

They also all have blacksheep children. He had both a black sheep son and a black sheep daughter.

The daughter he abused sexually, and blamed in on her. The son he got diagnosed with a psych condition and put on meds, and removed from the home.

I was able to help the DA see through this guy's nonsense and so now he is serving a long sentence. :)

These cases are underreported in the newspapers, in order to avoid further harming the victims.

SJG

js69, I don't agree that weed makes the world better. It just makes people dissociated. Eventually they are like this even after detox.

SJG

That's quite an impressive list of drugs... Wow.

I only imbibe with beer. Nothing more. Maybe a shot of Jäger at times. Smoked a bit of weed In H.S. But never caught on to it. Pot Made me tired.

Only good thing about only drinking beer... I know I can pass a piss/blood/hair test, anytime, anywhere. lol.

I am pretty boring in this sense. I drink couple of cocktails several times per year when I have something to celebrate. Never tried drugs, except weed. Did nothing for me, so don't use it either. I agree with you about nicotine being gross.

However, I am strongly addicted to coffee.

"I know that lots of people believe this." Lots of people believe this because it's true. It doesn't matter how you slice or dice it, it's a scientic fact that weed has health benefits. It can treat glaucoma, epileptic seizures, nausea, increases appetite so it can be life saving for peopel with cancer on chemo suffering from "wasting syndrome," can help slow down effects of Alzheimer's, helps treat pain of multiple sclerosis, can slow cancer growth, and even INCREASES lung capacity.

"The more they use it, the more they depend on it, though this addiction is mostly psychological. The reason it is psychologically addictive is that people use it to avoid facing their own feelings, so that they don't have to live in their own skin. The longer they do this for, the more harmed they become." The same can be said for using sex or video games for mental pleasure. And, for me personally, weed does the opposite of making me avoid facing my feelings - I often over think when I'm high. I get ALL UP IN my feelings.

"And yes, caffeine is both physically and psychologically addictive. But I would say that the psychological part of the caffeine addiction is less than with marijuana." BS. I know plenty of adults who can't function without starting their day w/a cup pf coffee. When I worked at a sports bar one of our servers needed a minimum of 6 cups of coffee a day. If she didn't have at least 6, she'd get terrible headaches and couldn't funtion.

It's fine if you want to be marijuana-free, but you should at least acknowledge that its benefits aren't just opinions, they're facts.

SJG, thanks for replying to my posts. I know you love me, because your part of the "Do Not Ignore" club. In fact, I think you should've elected commissioner.

Alcohol and, when prescribed, hydrocodone(sp?).

The hydrocodone didn't do much for me.

@motorhead - I smoke weed several times a day because I choose to and I can - it's not addictive. I have plenty of money to spend on top quality weed, it doesn't hurt my finances, and I don't if I have responsibilities that require a clear mind. For example, I won't smoke before class or before a trial because those are times when clarity is needed and it wouldn't look good on a lawyer's part if his assistant was laughing during his trial. Lmao

I've also quit willingly and gone without weed for months on end, several times. Never had a problem.

Nina wrote, ".... It can treat glaucoma, epileptic seizures, nausea, increases appetite so it can be life saving for peopel with cancer on chemo suffering from "wasting syndrome," ... "

Again, I don't agree. Mind altering chemicals are not a good way to deal with chronic pain, like with glaucoma. Yoga and meditation are. Same goes for appetite loss. And also, look at what is causing appetite loss, cancer chemo. Now with epilepsy, that is so serious. But marijuana is being used only because it is a self prescribable alternative to psych meds. There have got to be other ways. People are just throwing this out.

Multiple Sclerosis causes migraine headaches along with fractured vision. Meditation plus just a little bit of Dramamine.

The effect on respiratory health from marijuana smoking is the same as for tobacco cigarettes, Stan Glantz of UC Berkeley, author of "Tobacco Papers".

Nina wrote, "The same can be said for using sex or video games for mental pleasure."

Yes, sex can be an addiction. We can be like Mr. LDK, addicted to the endorphin rush that comes with ejaculation. I think it mostly depends on the context and how we approach it. It is done to have a transformative mystical experience, not just to cope day by day.

Someone who smokes weed each day is doing that latter, obviously.

Nina wrote, "I know plenty of adults who can't function without starting their day w/a cup pf coffee. "

I think that is more the physical addiction part of caffeine. Getting off of it takes about 2 weeks. But once one has had any chemical addiction, there will always be the susceptibility to going back to it because one's physiology has been permanently altered, so there is a tolerance. Once one goes back to a little bit, one will be very likely to go into heavy use again.

So once one has gone far enough, if one wants to get clean, then total abstinence is the only thing likely to work.

I think being marijuana free is necessary if one wants access to their mental faculties. And I don't agree that marijuana has benefits. I believe that these are illusory. Though I still don't think marijuana should be legally handled by total prohibition. Didn't work with alcohol, won't work with anything else.

And also, I see everyday the people my age who have been turned into complete imbeciles by decades of marijuana.

And thanks to @motorhead for weighing in.

SJG

more Buddy Guy, has Knock on Wood on this too youtube.com

SJG - if you honestly think weed has NO benefits you might as well also think that the world was created in 7 days and that Adam and Eve lived with dinosaurs. You can dislike weed all you want for it being "mind altering," but it is an undeniable and axiomatic fact that weed has health benefits. At this point idk whether or not you are trolling...

Meat72, you're welcome.

Nina, just listen to what you are saying, "I smoke weed several times a day because I choose to and I can - it's not addictive. I have plenty of money to spend on top quality weed, it doesn't hurt my finances, and I don't if I have responsibilities that require a clear mind. For example, I won't smoke before class or before a trial because those are times when clarity is needed and it wouldn't look good on a lawyer's part if his assistant was laughing during his trial. Lmao"

You are saying that you want to go thru life fucked up, weed several times per day.

I have no idea what in the world could have made you this way. If not weed itself, then who knows.

I'm not going to put you in jail and I don't mind conversing with you. But never ever would I have anything more than that to do with you.

I value my mental and emotional faculties. And the people is associate with value theirs.

SJG

Knock on Wood, starts here youtu.be

benefits of weed?

Mostly it is just that many people don't have adequate access to our health care system, and that they have good reason to distrust it. And then also, people have not been taught to manage their own emotional, mental, and physical states.

So in such a bleak situation, people could come to the fallacious conclusion that there are benefits to weed.

SJG

"So once one has gone far enough, if one wants to get clean, then total abstinence is the only thing likely to work," says SJG

Well, naturally, but I'm not addicted to anything, nor have I ever been... Not everyone who tries any drug anywhere will get addicted to it, assuming one is using responsibly and in moderation, and not, like, popping a shit ton of pills or shooting up heroin.

SJG - weed doesn't "fuck me up." And yes, I plan on smoking weed for the rest of my life. I'll take long breaks without it, especially once my career is in full swing, but you better believe I will roll blunts for my future husband and we will smoke them together while our future children are at summer camp. He will have a blunt rolled and waiting for him when he gets off work. When I'm an old lady in my 80s sitting in my rocking chair I will have a blunt in my hand, and you can count on that!

"So once one has gone far enough, if one wants to get clean, then total abstinence is the only thing likely to work," says SJG

This is mostly for physical addictions like say alcohol or caffeine.

It is not a moral issue, it is a physiological issue.

I believe that anyone who goes far enough with ANY mood altering or physiology altering chemical is likely to get addicted.

This is not a moral issue, it is a physiological issue.

What is a spiritual and moral issue is when people believe that it is better to go through life fucked up instead of using their full faculties.

SJG

Nina wrote, " I plan on smoking weed for the rest of my life."

Well I'm not going to stop you or put you in handcuffs. But I'm not going to help you or go along with your logic either.

You say weed does not fuck you up. But it still alters you in some way, and this is still a degradation. What people need to learn to do is mindfulness meditation and to be in touch with their feelings.

So while I'm not going to try to put you in jail, you won't be involved in anything I am responsible for.

SJG

And SJG others believe that marijuana actually heightens their senses and elevates them into a more spiritual state of mind.

You think that everyone's answer is meditation. It does not work for everyone. Some people have genetic chemical imbalances in their brain that meditation cannot fix. There are people who literally cannot function properly because of panic disorders; there are people who cannot focus on work without distracting themselves, no matter how much they focus, because of their ADD. Hell, there are people with schizophrenia who hallucinate and have delusions. There are people who suffer from severe depression. These are physiological problems in the brain that some people aren't lucky enough to meditate away. For those who can, great. For those who can't, they shouldn't have to suck it up and suffer and go crazy.

SJG, I have lots of experience with weed. So do countless millions.It's for fun. It does not make people into shambling non-feeling zombies (your major fear) Anything you want to know, just ask

"So while I'm not going to try to put you in jail, you won't be involved in anything I am responsible for."

Damn. There goes my plan to accompany SJG on his nationwide motor home tour of strip clubs and the Mexican bar table dancing circuit.

And all your music videos? Those guys smoked pot.

Yes. PLENTY of famous musicians stayed stoned, performed stoned, and wrote music stoned. SJG worries it will limit one from using all one's faculties, yet for many in the music/art world it has been regularly used and sometimes even a muse. Plenty of actors and actresses smoke weed. Quentin Tarantino is one of my fave directors and does he partake? YUP.

Carl Sagan the astrophysicist smoked marijuana regularly, he was also an advocate for its use in HELPING with intellectual pursuits.

Steve Jobs and Bill Gates have done LSD. Guess it didn't stop them from being successful.

Sigmund Freud did coke and advocated its use to help people stop using morphine (lmao I wouldn't suggest that), and Thomas Edison used cocaine elixirs.

So...

I'm not advocating coke use though. I would never. I'm just pointing out prominent people who used it. I don't like coke or any hard drugs. The only drug I would 100% advocate for is marijuana.

I've never heard of half these drugs.

Some of the ones I mentioned (atarax, flexeril) aren't very potent and aren't sought after for recreational use / abuse. I just mentioned them because they're technically mind-altering, although really they just make ya drowsy... I mean atarax is also an antihistamine and helps with rashes, hives, etc.

I forgot to add phenergan to my list of drugs... It's the same thing as promethazine which is an active ingredient in "lean" (which I've never done 'cause I don't wanna do codeine) It's hilarious because I took it as a teenager for nausea. Never used it to get high. I didn't even know that was a thing. It's an anti emetic and anti histamine. Lol

Nina wrote, "You think that everyone's answer is meditation. It does not work for everyone. .."

Again, learning to live in one's own skin is a life's work. This is what I wrote to the DA about the Pentecostal alcohol, drugs, born again, psych meds case. The people of his church have not even begun such work. The people you have described have a long road ahead of them.

But one thing is sure, using a mood altering chemical will make the path longer for them, not shorter.

mikeya02, People who are in touch with their feelings don't talk the way you do. Coming to be in touch with one's feelings is hard work. So much in our culture is oriented towards escapism, as is marijuana.

JS69, yes the stuff I do is drug free. You are understanding me correctly.

Mikeya02, yes I know that a large percentage of musicians use drugs, alcohol, and tobacco. I like their music, but this does not mean I would want to be involved with these persons in any further way.

Some musicians are on born again Christianity too. With these, I won't even listen to their music.

Nina wrote, "SJG worries it will limit one from using all one's faculties"

Not quite, that is just a shorthand way of talking. What I know is that one who wants to be in touch with their feelings and be mindful and non-forgetting would never ever use something like marijuana.

And as far as Quentin Tarantino and all the actresses and actors, I do not give a shit what they do.

What you say of Carl Sagan I had not heard before. Have to look into this, I don't know much about him.

Of Steve Jobs and Bill Gates, I had not known this, but there are lots of who have used LSD, as simply an experiment. Some maintain that they are improved by it. I doubt this. But whatever they want to think. Using it once is not a big deal.

Of Freud and Thomas Edison, well back in their day lots of people were addicted to cocaine as it was used in dentistry and it came in Coca Cola. Not good.

Today Coca Cola is one of the most malicious forms of caffeine addiction. Not Good.

You might list thousands. Just saying that people are successful does not really prove anything.

People used to think that cigarettes were good for schizophrenics. Jazz musicians like Charlie Parker thought that heroine was good. This is all total nonsense.

I think what it really comes down to is do you want your memories and your awareness. This has nothing whatsoever to do with worldly success, as that is irrelevant.

The mind altering chemicals and the addictions they cause are not moral issues.

The moral issues is, why would you want to do anything which interferes with development of chemical free psycho-spiritual awareness?

SJG

I think Steve Jobs suggested that Bill Gates should have done LSD.

Prescription med are clearly a more serious problem than the illegal kind. One of the most screwed up people I have ever known has been convinced by doctors that he is only held together by the scotch tape of psych meds.

But what made him susceptible to this view was his long history of letting doctors put him whatever pain killers or anything else they wanted.

It was also his own employment history in the psych industry, plus his having easy access to the pharmacy at our county hospital.

SJG

" I think Steve Jobs suggested that Bill Gates should have done LSD."

That would not surprise me, and I believe that it exemplifies what is wrong in the thinking of people who try to rationalize drug use.

SJG

As Rico Suave said back in the 90s - “... My only addiction has to do with the female species I eat em raw like sushi ...”

I've never tried any illegal drugs – having immigrated w/ my family as a child to the United States and starting at the bottom and having to struggle to just make it to middle-class someday I knew I could not afford to fuck around w/ drugs – I grew up w/ nothing and did not want to stay w/ nothing or end up w/ nothing and growing up I saw a lot of stoners that did not make anything of their lives. I also have a bit of a “all or nothing” personality in that often times I rarely do things in “moderation” - I either go full-board or I don't go at all for the most-part – so me being like this I always felt it would be dangerous for me to experimenter w/ drugs.

I would not doubt marijuana has beneficial effects but I've always hated smoking and could never see myself putting something in mouth and inhaling it.

Many drugs may not create an addiction but IMO often times it can create a dependency where one feels they have to have it to in their mind “function properly or be at their best/peak” and that may often not be the case even if the user is convinced they are better for doing it – i.e. IMO drugs are often a way to mask a problem rather than fixing it; IMO.

Thank You Papi!

SJG

Bill Gates reluctantly admitted he used LSD under the age of 25 and added that he "never missed a day of work." 1994 Playboy interview.

I drink beer on occassion and drink soda a bit too much now. I think I'm addicted to the caffeine but need a long vacation break to reduce the habit. As far as everything else, I don't even like to go to the doctor and haven't the last two or 3 years getting free blood work at work. Half the stuff the doctor has given to me I've had an allergic reaction to or I didn't like the side effects. I have been exposed to second hand smoke a lot, including second hand weed at one rock concert.

The most high I got I once routinely did by aerobic exercise bicycling one to three hours at a time at speeds up to 50mph. Drugs never really made me feel that good for so long. although beer can come close sometimes. I experienced some weird time effects after drinking beer back several years ago. To prove that I wasn't imagining it all, I played through all the levels on some arcade games in the bars. Never could have done that so easy without the time speed affects.

Just alcohol for me.

I have no interest in drugs.

SJG "The effect on respiratory health from marijuana smoking is the same as for tobacco cigarettes, Stan Glantz of UC Berkeley, author of "Tobacco Papers"."

Bullshit. This is only even comparable when talking about smoking blunts and joints. There are so many more ways to consume weed than that. Smoking marijuana can be harmful because you are inhaling SMOKE. Smoke is harmful. Sitting at a bonfire inhaling burning wood is harmful. When weed is vaporized or eaten (brownies, suckers, whatever), you don't have to worry about the dangers of smoke... Not to mention the average weed smoker might have a blunt or so per day, while the average cigarette smoker has FAR more than that.

Weed is still winning.

Just say no to drugs

D.A.R.E.

I struggle with the efficacy of SSRI meds for depression and anxiety. I do not necessarily think they are harmful, I simple think they are rather ineffective and prevent people from seeking out cognitive behavioral therapy.

However, given the impulsive nature of our hobby, I would argue that many of us have ADD and/or another clinical mental health condition found in the DSM-V.

Here's the kicker for me: I am a functional benzo addict. It has been prescribed to me for years to treat anxiety for which I was previously self-medicating with alcohol. So, while I can sit here and argue that I question the efficacy of one form of medication, my benzos have allowed me to function and thrive.

The withdrawal, however, will likely send me to a Betty Ford Clinic...

@san_jose_guy. just take your fuckin meds and stfu you sick psycho bastard

I agree that SSRIs in general aren't very helpful with anxiety and depression. I only took Zoloft when it was prescribed to me. I never would have thought to take it, so I researched it after it was prescribed and it had very mixed reviews, along with other SSRIs I looked up along w/it. Then I couldn't put up with it so I stopped taking it after a few months and felt much better afterwards, physically. Mentally, it took a little longer as that was a stressful time in my life. I was still in my teens, it was shortly before I started dancing. Then I started dancing and my life got better and although I'm happier, I still struggle with anxiety. It has physical effects on my body. I've had anxiety for as long as I can remember, so I assume I'll have it my whole life. It's genetic. I have a twin sis, she's the same way.

The only recreational drug I take is generic Viagra.

In the 1960's I used weed, lsd, crystal meth, ambutal, nebutal, and alcohol In the 1970's I smoked weed In the 1980's & 1990's I'd have an occasional alcoholic beverage In the 2000's I smoked weed, drank alcohol, and snorted cocaine In the 2010's I smoked weed, drank alcohol, snorted Coke, smoked crack, snorted heroin, Molly, ecstasy, shot cocaine, shot heroin and take Xanax daily. I also have a list of 9 other prescription drugs which are for cholesterol, heart disease, blood pressure, etc. Amazing that I've lasted 70 years.

Quite the list!

@Nina: Identifying positive coping mechanisms can help mitigate the symptoms of anxiety. Knowing positive strategies work for you and implementing them can make life more manageable...

This is obviously input from a hypocritical individual who has been on Ativan for years... However, that drug has kept me from the depths of my alcoholism... Which was much more debilitating.

Other positive coping strategies that have kept me healthy include exercise (do you consider dancing a cardio activity), therapy, yoga, and participation in positive social activities.

Negative coping strategies have hindered me have included my daily use of benzos (prescribed), hoarding my money to spend on dancers and daydreaming about getting VIP dances from you and your colleagues. Oh, and binge-watching Netflix. Netflix is like crack-cocaine for my impulsive anxiety riddled ass. When I go there...

There is a lot of hope. I have seen countless individuals go into remission. As I have experienced from time-to-time myself. Keep on keeping on.

I take approximately 19 pills per day for blood pressure, cholesterol, mild arrhythmia, degenerative arthritis and petit mal epilepsy. All of these are well controlled.

That said, I have basically ceased taking antihistamines, aspirin (which would be really bad with my Warfarin!) or any other painkillers except in very rare circumstances.

Never have smoked or used any illegal drugs, model airplane glue or other solvents. I probably take between three and five alcoholic drinks a week.

I get coke dick : (

Alcohol--Usually in the form of beer. Being an uptight person, I find alcohol allows me to enjoy myself in social situations like parties or strip clubs. I typically drink a couple times a week, but I have gone for months without a drink.

Tobacco--I smoked a pack a day when I was in my early 20's. I quit because of health concerns. Quitting smoking was the best thing I ever did.

Weed--I used weed in college. Then I went into the business world and was never around weed for decades. Now I occasionally smoke weed with my stripper friends. It doesn't do much for me.

Demerol--Demerol is a narcotic like morphine. When I was 22, I had oral surgery for 4 impacted wisdom teeth. The oral surgeon used demerol to knock me out. When I awoke, my mouth was swollen and full of stitches.
And I felt wonderful. I've never felt so wonderful before or since. If demerol were legal and non-addictive and without side effects, I would use it every day.

I've never consumed alcohol or any illegal drugs. I've considered having a drink on occasion but never found a reason to do it. Never have done illegal drugs and never will. Just not my thing but I don't judge anyone who chooses to do so. I've had plenty of friends who have done different things through the years.

I snort that china white

I don't consider alcohol a drug. As for anything else, nothing. In my business I can be random drug tested. Certainly not worth the risk.

I take meds for my diabetes and kidney functions, along with the daily aspirin for "heart health." About ten years ago, I was on Zoloft during a particularly rough patch; it really helped keep me afloat during that time. As for taking any recreational and/or illegal drugs -- pass. My brain and my body are messed up enough as it is; they really don't need any help in that regard.

And for those who partake in MJ, have any of you ever enjoyed "Reefer Madness: The Musical"? The show's a blast!

Juice snorted flour and thought he was high

you guys sound like a bunch of old farts. A stripper lists all the recreational drugs she has taken, and we list all of these pills for cholesterol, high blood pressure, etc. etc. Come on guys. Smoke some weed and then go fuck a 19 year old. You only live once.

All this talk about drugs reminds me of this movie clip.

m.youtube.com

I think I might want me to try some of that shit...

PhantomGeek - Haven't seen the musical but I'd be open to watching it. I watched Reefer Madness (the original propaganda film) and the ignorance was hilarious.

My list of drugs used is quite boring: A beer or two at strip clubs, once or twice a week. An occasional glass of wine, celebrating with friends or dining in a fine restaurant. No other drugs ever. As far as I know, my only addictions are to movies and, of course, strippers.

I could get fired with the possibility of random drug testing and zero tolerance to stay employed. no thanks. Safety protocols at work seem to be going extreme requiring safeguards that would kill all the fun in a strip club. If work protocols took effect at strip clubs, everyone would be required to wear ear plugs before entering the club or the music would be very soft. There would be a guard rails around all edges of the stages. Climbing up poles would be prohibited unless the dancer had trained certification and had fall protection equipment on and she was tied off. ropes etc.

Nina, a mini-documentary accompanies the musical. It explained how one of the millionaires at the time started the campaign against hemp because hemp was undercutting his profits in manufacturing rope for shipping (as I recall anyway; and at the time, hemp was an alternative material for rope.)

Should I try nitrous? I think I'll ask the DS.

Papi_Chulo wrote, "I've never tried any illegal drugs – having immigrated w/ my family as a child to the United States and starting at the bottom and having to struggle to just make it to middle-class someday I knew I could not afford to fuck around w/ drugs – I grew up w/ nothing and did not want to stay w/ nothing or end up w/ nothing and growing up I saw a lot of stoners that did not make anything of their lives. I also have a bit of a “all or nothing” personality in that often times I rarely do things in “moderation” - I either go full-board or I don't go at all for the most-part – so me being like this I always felt it would be dangerous for me to experimenter w/ drugs.

I would not doubt marijuana has beneficial effects but I've always hated smoking and could never see myself putting something in mouth and inhaling it.

Many drugs may not create an addiction but IMO often times it can create a dependency where one feels they have to have it to in their mind “function properly or be at their best/peak” and that may often not be the case even if the user is convinced they are better for doing it – i.e. IMO drugs are often a way to mask a problem rather than fixing it; IMO."

I think this very much expresses how I feel.

There are things I want to accomplish in this world. For me they are not just economic either.

Drugs do not help.

I am involved in community programs where I have contact with people who's lives completely revolve around alcohol, drugs, born again Christianity, and psychiatric medications. These people are completely gone. Mostly it is because they are child abuse survivors. Sometimes abused in the same churches whose outreach ministries prey on them today.

So no, drugs are not going to be a part of my life or my ventures.

And yes, I did look up Carl Sagan and his endorsement of marijuana. I do remember now that long ago I had heard that.

Well, he is entitled to his views. But I still don't go along with it at all. I believe he has done good things, and that this is despite his use of marijuana, not because of it in any way.

SJG

Hey bebe, be sweet to me and I'll share my prostate-shrinkage pills!

Someone on this thread is highly idealistic. People will rationalize any behavior as long as it helps them get over the fact that they shouldn't be doing it. Only an enlightened person can walk themselves over the threshold. In other words you can't make a horse drink.

"People will rationalize any behavior as long as it helps them get over the fact that they shouldn't be doing it."

If this refers to people who try to rationalize drug use, I agree completely. This has been going on for a long time, especially when it comes to LSD.

SJG

^^^^ Yes SJG, this is totally in reference to partaking in the drugs. I wish they all were legal so we could know who needs the help instead of the underground.

You mean, let the addicted come out into the open. Rather than having them keep it secret while trying to rationalize it.

SJG

@SJG: What is the difference between alcohol and marijuana? Besides the fact that one can die of alcohol poisoning all by itself and nobody has ever died of THC poisoning.

I don't see that there is much difference at all. I am opposed to both alcohol and marijuana, and also to tobacco.

But I don't think prohibition is the way to deal with any of these issues. That didn't work before and it won't work now.

I see alcohol, drugs, born again Christianity, and psychiatric medications as all working the same way and having the same effects.

A question to Meat72, so if I am understanding your posts correctly here, how would you like to see the legalization of drugs proceed? Do you think there should be zero restrictions?

I say that there should be restrictions on packaging, advertising, and in time, place, and eligibility for sale. I also think tobacco and alcohol should be handled the same way as these other drugs. But none of these restrictions should be so great as to encourage a black market.

And then psychiatric medications should be just as restricted, And psychotherapists should be delicensed, so they are just like fortune tellers.

SJG

Emerson, Lake, and Palmer, Pictures at an Exhibition youtube.com

It's easier for me to post the drugs I've NEVER done: Heroin and Opium. I've pretty much tried everything else at least once. My drugs of choice are pot, alcohol and mushrooms if I have the right time and place to eat them.

@ SJG, I honestly don't know how the administration of drugs should be dispensed as it is an industry unknown to me. Maybe the same as our current pharmaceutical system, but probably a bad idea.

All I know is that countries that had a terrible societal problem of drug use and switched to legalization saw their citizens addictions reduce to nearly zero %! Just look up Portugal's history of handling this. Once legalization happened they could then begin to educate and help the unfortunate ones who were addicted, so maybe we could follow a system like theirs. However in the USA, we would have the capitalists trying to do a money grab on this legalization so it can't be an apples to apples comparison. to hamper free will on drugs is to cause people to go into hiding, and the shame sometimes is more harmful than the actual drug use.

Meat, I largely agree with you on this. And I had not known about Portugal.

You may know that in his memoirs Vicente Fox has called for drug legalization, as the only way to stop the drug violence, and also to stop the further spread of drug use within the Mexican population.

He never said anything like that when he was president, but then it was under his more conservative successor Philippe Calderon that the drug wars really took off.

Now Fox is not talking about half way measures or making deals with the cartels. He makes it clear that drug distributors need to have access to the courts to sue for breach of contract or theft of their property. He means full legality and an open market.

As former route driver and then CEO of Coca-Cola, he understands what this means.

What I do not know though is whether his call for legalization also includes distribution within Mexico.

But anyway, I say there should be restrictions on sales, packaging, and a total ban on advertising, as well as restrictions on places of use. But otherwise these street drugs, alcohol, tobacco, and psychiatric medications, should be treated the same way.

We can't pass laws to restrict Born Again Christianity, but we should be able to educate people about it. In countries which have good universal health care and a good social safety net and good job retraining and placement, Born Again Christianity is all but non-existent.

SJG

ELP, Tarkus, 1971 youtube.com

alcohol isn't a drug

Just weed for me. I wanted to try pills but I've been too scared because they seem too hard core and retarded inducing and I'm too young and not paid well enough to not give a fuck to try it.

:)

SJG

Alcohol is a drug. It effects the brain the same way any other depressant would. It's just so mainstream that people rarely refer to it as such.

And not only is alcohol a drug, but it is one of the most addictive, with some of the deadliest withdrawals, extreme intoxication, and causes more violence than any other drug I can think of. It affects the body the same way other drugs of its class would, has the same binding sites (GABA) as other drugs that cause the uninhibited effects that alcohol does. That's why the body treats it as poison. It truly is poison in excess.

^^^^^ Agreed

SJG

Nina's right staf.

I don't smoke or use nicotine. Haven't for 40 years. I drink socially and buy a lot of drinks for dancers if they are priced the same as my drink. I do not drink in excess however and never will even have one drink if I have to get behind the wheel. I only have an occasional drink now as long as there is a designated driver who doesn't drink. Sex is my drug of addiction. I have to have it every day. It is usually not hard to find. I have a phone full of phone numbers of girls who will take care of my addiction. (My dealers LOL! )

:)

SJG

I think sensitivity to the driving issue was a factor in my stopping drinking completely.

SJG

weedisdumb.org

SJG

twice a stripper has giving me cocaine... in my mouth and in my nose. all it has given me is a numb lip and taken away my hard-on. May be crap.

Ah, yes, I remember Nina saying she took benzos because of her anxiety disorder. Guess this is where she said it.

Yes Nubster, you ALWAYS talk about my anxiety, at least now you can cite your sources.

I must have somehow missed this thread, I don't remember seeing it.

I smoke weed regularly. I've tried Molly once. I've drank lean a couple of times (I highly recommend against ever trying it).

"Juice snorted flour and thought he was high"

Did he get addicted and knead more?

I was considering trying some recreational drugs, but then I considered zipman68 and how his brain was permanently damaged by them and decided, nah, I better not.

@nina: don't worry too much about it, Nina. I mean with the help of those benzos you were able to complete 120 credits in the highly rigorous field of political "science" at your obscure community college, weren't you? That's quite the accomplishment!

^^^I think I remember her saying she's at a university.

LFM, why do you recommend against lean? Just curious. A sip or two shouldn't hurt... in fact I think if most people take just the normal dose (maybe 15mL or so, which is maybe equivalent to a couple teaspoons or so and less than a "shot" of alcohol in volume). I think the dose not to exceed at a time is 30mL (which would fill up one of those little measuring cups that comes with both otc and rx liquid meds). I think often when people drink lean recreationally, they have wayyy more than that. A couple months ago I tried it for the first time and had maybe half of a recommended dose. Mind you, I never take opiates so my body has no tolerance to codeine. It just made me relax and eventually fall asleep, and sleep like a baby.

I just saw my regular dr a few days ago, and she prescribed me promethazine for my nausea (Phenergan). It's the one of the two main ingredients in lean. I think one of the reasons they even put it in there is so people will fall asleep from the promethazine before they OD off the codeine. Because unfortunately a lot of people end up trying these substances with no knowledge of what a small or normal intake is and end up exceeding their limits.

@larry: really? I don't remember it being a very good one. So same diff.

Lol! SJG agrees with me in this thread.

The juice is loose!

Nubster, say it with me, "university." My credits are from an accredited university, you libelous fool. I know since you probably lack any secondary education whatsoever that these differences and concepts may be hard to grasp.

Now if I had decided on medicine instead of law, went to med school, done a yr internship and then 3 yr residency, I'd be able to prescribe you the medications you so desperately need. Perhaps Prozac, maybe Seroquel, or possibly a loaded Smith & Wesson 9mm.

Libel? My gosh is she going to sue me?

Like I said above, 3rd rate university or community college = same difference.

Nina projecting her suicidal thoughts again. Guess pointing out the truth about what a mediocre school and simple subject she wants us to be so proud of is getting to her.

What is this about? SJG and Meat72, I think have this drug thing figured out, now that I read through the original topic.

Meat and SJG, do either of you think that Portugal's system of dealing with drug use work in the USA? I think that there are so many jobs reliant on drug enforcement it would displace many former military personnel who now work in the security/police business. In the most democratic way of big government, as long as the left leaning media and political climate remains, there will be no place for legalization of drugs. The liberal ritards have too much to lose to allow a common sense approach like the Portugal stance.

@Nina- I won't say how much I drank, but I definitely drank more than the recommended dose, that shit is addictive. My vision became blurred, and my heart was beating so fucking fast I literally thought it was gonna rip out of my chest. Plus I was sweating a lot too. Not a good feeling.

Not familiar with any new Portugal system.

Personally I think drugs are just wrong headed. But handling it by criminalization does not seem to work. Certainly in some kinds of high sensitivity jobs, drugs must be 100% absent.

For myself, I find drug people to be completely unworth even trying to communicate with, intoxicated or straight.

SJG

@SJG: They had a good episode on Drugs, Inc. about the drug trade in Silicon Valley. Surprised some people are turning to meth because their getting effective in clamping down on coke. Did you happen to catch that episode?

^^^ He's admitted to not watching TV. Thinks it makes him special

Ok, guess that's why he didn't get my Jim Cramer reference in the other thread.

larryfisherman that sounds awful! That would ve a nightmarish experience for me. It was probably the codeine, it is an opiate, which are gross. I am very against opiates personally, but have drank lean a few times (sometimes it was for its actual medical use, sometimes it was just to relax) but usually 2-3 teaspoons lol.

No I don't watch television.

Meth is very common in Silicon Valley, particularly among the down and out, and those also targeted by Born Again Christianity.

The basic commitment to self-awareness, it is rare everywhere. And Silicon Valley has lots of white collar jobs, which more and more are turning to shit. And then there are those locked out of that. Lots and lots of economic strife, and then familial child abuse, and then just crazy people.

Alcohol, Drugs, Born Again Christianity, and Psychiatric Medication!

SJG

If you don't watch TV, how do you know when Wal-Mart is having their 20% off sales?

NEVER even once bought anything in a Wal-Mart store.

SJG

^^^Motor was joking, ya big dummy

I like strip clubs, AMPs, and Viet Coffee. I like beautiful women, and I like to see them in high heels and makeup. But with most other stuff of popular consumer culture, I have no interest. I do live in the real word, particularly in working with the poor. It is a world where you see the effects of child abuse, and see how the abuse is furthered in Born Again Christianity and Psychiatric Medications.

Alcohol and drugs are just a related form of self-abuse.

And I am deeply embedding in local political activism and am working on starting something of my own.

And in no way have I ever consented to going along with the herd or with bullies.

SJG

^^^Especially when Wal Mart advertises boys pants half off

You try and try mikeya02, but to what end. F2F I would not put up with you.

Online, it doesn't really make any difference. Nothing that you say has any effect on me.

SJG

But what SanJoseGay says does affect you cuz you have him on ignore. Sissy

Funny shit!

Good one San Jose Gay!

I used to try and respond to him, but then when I started seeing him in my Inbox I decided to put him on ignore. So now I don't think at all about anything he might say.

Mikeya02, I don't know if I would call you a sissy, but you are just being belligerent, trying to intimidate me for no reason. Online you get away with it. So maybe that does make you a kind of a sissy, because F2F you would not get away with it.

SJG

Are you going to put a bullet in me? Don't miss!

Sounds like mikeya and SJG might have to duke it out in person. San Diego not that far from San Jose is it?

Nah, a few rolls of duct tape around his mouth will do the trick

Jesus guys. Sniff some airplane glue, why don't ya.

The very marginalized groups you keep attacking are people who need to organize and act. Passivity is what lets the problems continue.

For myself I've always been able to deal with F2F trouble makers in ways which make an example of them. Some people have just walked on jobs.

Online is completely different. I still remain astounded that there are people who hold the kinds of prejudicial views which you keep posting. F2F, people would know not to say such things, at least not around me.

SJG

Careful, sanj_jose_gay, vincemichaels has AIDS.

Vince back on ignore

Gay's rebuttals to guy are the highlights of this thread! Funny shit indeed! LOL

Only alcohol and cutting back at that since I can't hold my own anymore. Weed's never done anything and both the rx and harder ones have never tried.

I find nowadays I have more fun when I'm in control.

Blow me, Dougster.

I had almost forgot about this thread, and I commented on it. Damn, maybe they were right back in the 70's about memory loss.

But my point is, Nina....damn girl, you take a shit load of drugs.

Do law firms do drug testing? Companies that manufacture valuable products, such as Ford Motor Company, have drug testing. But attorneys don't do anything important, so maybe they can take drugs.

motor: " Nina....damn girl, you take a shit load of drugs. "

She's the biggest psycho to come out of Detroit since Alutard.

Lol motorhead, you've always been so interested in me, even before I came to tuscl!

Anyway, I'll probably never work for GM or Ford, but I know people who do and smoke weed. They managed to "pass" their tests, and I would, too. (Hypothetically)

And, motorhead, since you are for some reason curious, most law firms actually do NOT do drug testing. The exception would be government jobs, but even then, many don't. As for the large law firms, they don't do mandatory drug screenings. I'm in the clear.

I know a lot of places do initial drug testing as part of the hiring process. I remember over 20 years ago going to an interview and they did drug testing as part of the interview but didn't tell me I was going to have to pee in a cup. I was thirsty and peed before I left for the interview. It took almost an hour before I could pee again. Would have been a lot faster to get a blood sample or almost anything else. Never had a company include drug testing as part of the first interview. Usually most companies screened candidates until maybe only the ones they planned to hire were left and as part of getting approved to be hired, they had to pass a drug test.

A lot of places do, large law firms do not.

I think any position in a manufacturing company requires passing a drug test whether you are an office worker, manager, engineer, accountant, production employee, drafter, or whatever. At the company I work for, if you are a passenger in a vehicle that gets in an accident, then everyone involved is required to be drug tested. I think that policy sounds stupid. Makes me not want to ride with anyone from work unless I trust their driving.

Shit, skibum and JohnSmith are both lawyers, and they smoke weed everyday. I think lawyers need the weed to deal with the stress they're under.

I'm ok with legalizing marijuana. However I think it should be ok on a national basis or not in any bars and clubs if not legal. I believe it's a waste of taxpayer money housing people and paying for the food and housing for years just because they had pot on them during a traffic stop.

I also think sex work should be legalized and taxed. Government revenue could increase enough likely to eliminate many budget shortfalls. South Carolina could raise their gas tax to help create a consistent source of funding to fix deteriorating roads here.

I'm ok with several tax cuts but also ok with lifting the pay cap on paying social security taxes so that people who make more than 90k or 100k don't get some of their income excluded from social security taxes like all of us poorer folks have to pay. Considering the system is currently scheduled to be out of money in only 20 to 30 years, I'm ok with those who are better off paying the same amount of SS taxes that all of us poorer guys have to pay.

So far I know of no political party with all my views.

I googled "do big law firms drug test" and it appears Nina is correct.

And I found this answer on one board:

"It seems absurd to test professionals in a high skill/high stress/high responsibility job like biglaw for drugs, not to mention insulting"

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That is just about the dumbest comment I've ever seen. So it's "not" insulting to drug test low level employees at manufacturing jobs? What a double standard. I thought lawyers were all about representing people that can't stand up for themselves.

And who's so arrogant to think lawyers should be allowed to do drugs because their jobs are "professional" and high stress. Survey after survey have reported that frint line customer service representatives rank in the top ten of most stressful jobs. But in many companies, they would have to take a drug test

Should have said letting those with higher salaries pay the same percentage of social security tax as everyone else. Right now above a specific income level, no extra social security tax is paid. I view SS as just another tax. If I could have taken all the money I paid and that my employers have paid over my life and had it invested in a special 401k similar account, I would have had a whole lot more funds available. This is a result of socialism and it worked good for the socialists until people started loving a lot longer. Originally people died before they collected hardly anything from social security. Socialism works until they run out of your money. Venezuela is a good example of socialism destroying the economy if left to grow unchecked. There are a lot of idiots in our society and those with problems and those who don't know how to invest and save for a rainy day. That's what socialism is good for. Providing for all those misfits in society and those with bad luck so they aren't left with nothing. Ok I'll stop rambling.

Until people starting living longer not loving longer, stupid autocorrect at it again.

I agree that I'm in favor of congressmen getting drug tested too along with the president.

While I personally think it's silly to drug test everyone for every single little thing, lawmakers and CEOs have required drug testing all over the place.

Jumping in thread late: Doing drugs is a non-starter for me. Primarily because I'm not interested in doing them. Also for much of my professional life, fell under DOT rules for drug testing. Namely, initial hiring, reasonable suspicion, and random. The later category in the early 90's required a 50% testing rate, later dropped to 25% when it was shown that positives rate was infinitesimally small. (i.e. if company has 100 employees in certain category, a minimum of 25 random drug tests must be administered throughout the calendar year.) Yes, marijuana, along with several other drugs are on the "laundry list" to be screened for.

@motorhead- Does Ford do random testing along with 1-2 aforementioned categories ?

@Nina- A recent post of yours seems to imply that drug users that you're acquainted with "might" be slipping by the test with "one of those kits." That cute stuff doesn't cut it in the DOT world. One coworker with over 20 years at company random test showed excessive nitrates, which would be indicative of an additive to the urine sample. He got his licenses back on a lengthy appeal (chain of custody procedures had some gaps in it, he had a top notch attorney on his case) but still lost his job with co. He maintains that he didn't do drugs or an additive. Point being that it's nothing to screw around with.

Actually that episode of Drugs, Inc I cited above suggested that some of the tech firms in Silicon Valley were going to start instituting drug tests. Not sure whether I should believe this or not. What does or man the ground, san_jose_guy, know about this?

No minnow, they aren't using "one of those kits." The best way to pass is to use someone else's pee. From what I've heard. Again, this isn't something I have to worry about in the corporate law field, in fact it was motorhead who brought up drug testing in the first place, not me.

Have you ever tried Drugs on Weed man

To Larry I don't get what kind of stress you think lawyers are under, but AFIK they are just like most of the strippers I know just defending you for the money they get paid, if they loose you go to jail, if they loose you have to pay the judgement, and the lawyer still gets paid. You are just giving them another excuse to use. If you want to use drugs go ahead, I wouldn't, but making excuses is childish.

I don't think it's uncommon for people to use drugs who are in high stress, high pressure jobs. Now included in "drugs" are prescribed controlled substances as well... not just illicit black-market stuff.

Nina's anxiety disorder already means she's always under stress. Would you trust her to hold up in a courtroom?

Lawyers are constantly under stress. They muscle through it. If anything, my anxiety disorder helps me channel my adrenaline into confidence.

^^^ You gonna feed that line of BS to your potential clients (assuming you can blow your way to a courtroom in the first place) and think they'll buy if they have real money on the line? This does not sound like the best thought out plan ever.

You're trying to pick a fight, I have no idea why. I'm great at what I do and have proven I can survive in the legal field. I know several attorneys who would agree. Anxiety disorders are quite common, I have absolutely why some people [who are obviously ignorant to anxiety disorders in the first place] want to try to act like it would be a severe handicap and hindrance to one's career.

People have managed much worse.

Seems to me even the stress of arguing on TUSCL has been enough to get you to crack many times. Just saying if you can't handle that and you got at it against real pros when there is real money on the line...

Nina: " I know several attorneys who would agree. "

Translation several pre-law "professor" she has blown at her obscure community college tell her she has a promising future (although they weren't very specific about what that future was in).

@Nina- "Someone elses pee"... That doesn't cut either, as the temperature is taken of the sample presented, prior to sealing. On the random testing scenario, supervisor notification is given. Both supervisor and employee sign form, then escorted to dedicated testing area (usually a conference room with adjoining restrooms). More forms are filled out, both tester and employee verify regular and split sample bottle. If employee doesn't have the urge to pee, gotcha covered. Bottled waters and sodas are provided, none of this "I'll go to the cafeteria and be right back" stuff. Employee stays there until he/she produces a sample in restroom, with sample, and split sample separately sealed.

Nina you're too cute to be fighting. It ruins it for me

Dougster most of these people are mistaking stress for pressure, it is true, stress causes pressure, but they aren't the same thing. IE. You cant pay your rent on time=stress, I need to make enough money to pay my rent=pressure. Another point to differentiate between a casual drug user and/or drinker making excuses for why it is necessary to use these substances, or I enjoy a cold beer when it is hot outside as opposed to I just smoke a joint because I want to. An excuse makes it seem like you have to, as opposed to just the sheer pleasure you derive from doing it.

Minnow my ex was on parole and is now on probation. He uses his step-dad or grandma's pee when his probation or parole has given him frequent drug tests, and has worked every time for the last couple years, even when someone is watching him pee.

Again, I won't run into this problem as law firms don't hand out piss tests. Moving on...

Mikeya02, you ruined it for you a long time ago, so what's the point anyway?

Che: "Law is a high stress profession? "

Sounds like it is if you have an out of control anxiety disorder to begin with.

Still Nina? You should get nakie and act sexy. That's your big contribution to society

People have talked about at some firms, people being tipped of when drug tests will be made. But obviously the best way to beat it would be using someone else's piss.

But I will say this, there will never be anyone working for me who uses drugs, or psychiatric meds. I'm not saying that these things are immoral, its just that I know they change a person greatly, even when they are out of the blood stream. They change a person the same way that habitual alcohol consumption does. They make them like dry drunks. And as such, you cannot depend upon such people, because when pressure is on they will go into tune out mode. They are committed to not feeling their feelings. Where as I have spent now decades committed to feeling my feelings.

I work with people I know, not just people I can pay wages to.

SJG

Jeez twentyfive it looks like that went over your head, it's called a joke.

Whatever if you say so.

I won’t specify all that I have done, but my attitude towards drugs is take it or leave it. Do it too frequently and it all gets kind of boring, in my opinion.

"But, trolls aside, let's see who's a square and who's not."

I must have missed this when it first came out. Apparently the ability and preference to live life without the need to chemically alter ones state of mind is "square".

Gee, I'm jealous that I'm not as cool as you.

It’s a long list, and yet the drug that did the most damage was alcohol.

Xanax, klonopin, Valium, Ativan - if it’s a Benzo - I’ve tried it, tried to abuse it, and in certain cases it worked.

LSD, cocaine, mushrooms, extacy, weed, and lots of other shit that I can’t remember.

I’ve smoked two cigars in my life - but I’ve never smoked an actual cigarette. Never had any interest. The cigars were awful, but it was a bachelor party in a firehouse - and it seemed like a good idea at the time!

"Gee, I'm jealous that I'm not as cool as you."

I know, you seem to allude to it a lot.

@ Cashman1234 - The only time I tried tobacco was when my father offered me his cigarette when I was a child. Awful experience.

I did know an older man who lamented that cigarettes were banned from the workplace. He genuinely believed that smoking at work made a more productive workforce. I suppose that’s possible because of the nicotine.

^All of those drugs you’ve done have split you into several different personalities (two shits, steve, and your current handle Echo) that we know of I’m guessing 3 others as well. I’m sure you’ll fuck up again and we will figure them out.

Cigarettes make for a less productive workforce, imo. People chain smoke and have to take cig breaks all the damn time.

Cigarettes are disgusting, and they give me the jitters and make me feel nauseated, sweaty, dizzy, etc.

I'm gonna go smoke a blunt.

If quaaludes were still attainable, I would probably try them (with caution, and a low dose).

EchoPizza - that old guy had a point, but he should have clarified it. Smoking in the office makes smokers more productive, as they don’t need to leave their workspace to smoke.

What’s productive for smokers - would be sickening for the rest of us.

I used to work in a bill collection area. It was like a cloud hung over the desks. They were chain smoking and guzzling coffee - like it was the last cigs and coffee they’d ever see. If they allowed them to piss on the floor - they would have never got up!

"I want to try adderall and ketamine. I'm kind of scared to try DMT to be honest but it sounds fascinating."

I completely agree about DMT. I think, though, that I would go through with it. As long as I had someone I trusted around me, and did it in a good mood when I didn't have anything to do, to try to have a better "trip" and not freak out after. It sounds like it just takes you to a different dimension. One of my guy friends from when I was like 19 had done DMT. I asked him what it was like and he said, "I was only out for like a minute, but when I woke up it felt like 1,000 years." That's crazy! And it's safe, which is a bonus.

Adderall is ok, it lasts a few hours and is an upper. It can help you get things done. I only did it a few times even though I was diagnosed with ADD... I don't like stimulants, as they aren't relaxing, make my anxiety worse, and give me a lack of appetite. I love food.

I agree about cigs, too. Just gross.

Ketamine can be put on my list of "drugs I'll never try," along with crack, heroin, PCP, meth, etc.

Losers

Well, people should be careful when dealing with mind-altering substances, that's a given.

Weed is something that doesn't really need a lot of care or responsibility. Honestly, weed just relaxes people and makes things more entertaining and funny (plus it's health benefits). That and alcohol are the only "drugs" I really partake in. I also am prescribed medication for my anxiety and an anti-emetic for my nausea, which is usually caused and/or exacerbated by my nausea, and vice versa.

Regularly* not really.

Other drugs, I have just experimented with, but I won't ever try certain drugs. Meth, crack, heroin, etc are just dirty to me and I have no desire to see how they feel. And people get all violent went they take PCP.

My dad is now radically conservative, but decades ago he was a young hippie who did all types of drugs. He told me about a time he did PCP and stood in front of the bathroom mirror for hours as he was convinced that he was dead because he watched his face slowly decay until his skin came off and he eventually turned into a skeleton. He was still fucked up about it after the PCP wore off.

That's not something I'd like to try.

"I think that drugs can be one of the most eye opening and interesting experiences one can have. It puts you in a different mindset and helps you think about things in a way that you haven't thought of them before."

I think Jim Morrison felt the same way. Died at age 27.

I like alcohol for a drink or two. That’s puts me squarely among the squares I guess.

We can both be uncool huntsman.

Maybe nicespice will create a group for us.

^Janis Joplin, John Belushi, Phillip Seymour Hoffman, the list goes on and on. Smart folks stay far away from anything other than marijuana.

They were all cool because they did drugs.

I tried cannabis and didn't really see what the point was.

I bought it baked in a brownie at a party. I wanted to buy 2 or 3, because I'm a big guy and figured I need a big dose (not sure if that's how it works or not). He and my friend said absolutely not. Said I should feel good in a half hour. I didn't see what anyone was raving about. Maybe it's subtle? I went back after 45 minutes to more more; he wouldn't sell me any more.

I tried cannabis again in a small pipe a couple years later at a New Year's Eve party 20 years ago. Maybe the effects were subtle. Again, I didn't notice what everyone raves about.

I had a small prescription for oxycodone (sim. to percocet). I didn't use it recreationally, but I did trade it for hydrocodone after a couple doses. The oxy made it difficult to concentrate on technical work or do any higher math (calculus was not possible). It was like the symbols had no meaning. It had me concerned about driving my car. Plus always in the back of my mind was how addictive this stuff is. So I was mindful.

With hydrocodone, I think it, too was a poor pain reliever. It was like it disconnected the front of my brain. All the higher-functions. I could sense my neck injury, and like the Terminator from the film, the "data" could be called "pain". But at least I could function and do math. I eventually went off of it (using it to sleep for a few more days before discontinuing it) and went to Sodium Naproxen (Aleve).

I tried hydrocodone recreationally just to see what all the point was. I mean, there are girls out there that suck dick and swallow just to get opoids, so THIS SHIT MUST BE GOOD, right? So I took some extra to get high. Ok. This is the world's STUPIDEST HIGH. All it does it just disconnect your brain. You feel, Weeee!. If this is what other opiods are like, this is the world's stupidest high. That was the last time I ever took a pill.

Compared with alcohol, everything above just sucked in comparison.

What? I finally made a group here? I think I’ll celebrate with one bourbon.

I was given hydrocodone (Is it also called Vicodin or is that something else?) as a pain reliever but it made me feel awful. Kinda dizzy. Since I rarely take pain relievers when they are prescribed it took me a while to figure out what the cause was.

It's strange because I heard Percocet was stronger, but it didn't give me any of the strange feelings that the hydrocodone did.

Jim Morrison died of heart failure and nobody really knows what caused it though one of the common beliefs is a heroin OD because he thought he was snorting coke.

In any event, he had the opinion that drugs allowed you to break on through to the other side and think and understand things more clearly. It was drugs, mostly alcohol, that led to him being in such bad health to begin with.

“We can both be uncool huntsman.

Maybe nicespice will create a group for us.”

I know SJG’s organization will be banning drugs

i was crazy as a teenager. lot of meth, heroin, xanax, 2cb, acid, shrooms, weed, XTC, molly, cocaine, ketamine. but it's been years since i was into that stuff. now i don't even smoke weed, just drink alcohol and that's it. i hate how much coke i see in the clubs, i find it kinda disgusting to me now. a lot of the girls who say they "just do a few bumps to get through the night" seem to actually do it a lot more than that.. in my observation. what people choose to put in their bodies is their business but i really don't like being around it and the way it makes people act. i'm ok with weed- even the smell is enjoyable to me, but i don't like how it feels. i don't think it's bad though. i actually wish i enjoyed it because IMO it's a lesser evil than alcohol.

Spicester. I don’t think SJG’s group would work. I think I am on the “must kill” list. I’ve never gotten into the whole Marxism thing.

I do not do drugs. I am not going to do drugs. I do not think they are ever a good thing for anyone.

In the organization I am building they will not even exist. It will be people who have decided that whatever their past, they are 100% done with drugs. And we will never deal with people who believe in or are involved with the Recovery Movement. That is nothing more than an excuse for more drinking and using.

SJG

...except thr majority of ppl who use drugs do it for frequent use, which leads to abuse.

Even doing it "just on the weekends" is bad for your health.

Doing it because one thinks it's cool leads to frequent use which leads to abuse.

It's a slippery slope

Marijuana, cocaine and MDMA.

I tried heroin once but wouldn't do it again, I was craving it for almost 2 weeks!

Daily or every other day=frequent use Even 3times a wknd=frequent use

Yeah there are ppl who don't ruin themselves bc of it but that doesnt mean it isnt bad for health . smoking weed like 3 times a wk for like years can lead to.poor dental health...or other negative effects

Basically, ppl who say doing weed or any other drug isnt bad or u tend to compare it to people who dont ruin themselves over it . of course when you compare it to the worst case scenario , as opposed to thr cunulative effects over time, it will appear "not bad for u"

Moreover, weed alters your state of reality...you get th4 most abnormal feeling from it.doesnt mean it feels bad, sure it might feel good, but it intoxicates you. While some ppl can b productive from this, it isnt used to enhance productivity in most cases...

And other things intoxicate ppl too: lust, greed, tv..which is why they are also bad for u

I understand if ppl use it to cope and alter reality, but because it induce such an effect(alteration of reality or the normal state) , I would never fucking talk about it as if it is a good thing .

Dont tell me normal state is subjective..you arent in a normal state when you are in weed.you are intoxicated .

I'm gonna do my homework now ttyl

Editing the second paragraph of my previous comment to this

Basically, ppl who say doing weed or any other drug isnt bad for u tend to compare it to people who dont ruin themselves over it . of course when you compare it to the worst case scenario , as opposed to the cumulative effects over time, it will appear "not bad for u"

DC9428 wrote, "Drugs are not the problem, drug abuse is."

Yes I can agree on that to a point. Moderate use has only a moderate effect.

But the thing is, there is no reason people need to use such drugs at all, ever.

What ends up happening is people are using it to deal with the emotional ups and downs of life, to avoid having to live in their own skin.

Spiritual development requires the opposite, learning to live in your own skin, and learning how to regulate your emotions when needed. So drugs are a negative, always.

And then if some people are using them, many will end up clearly abusing them.

The longer you use any mood altering chemical, the greater the chances you will develop a problem. And then the only real remedy is 100% total life long abstinence. It becomes virtually impossible to ever go back to moderation.

The idea that you need the drugs or that they are somehow good for you, that is just a very dangerous and complete lie.

Commenting to a girl about a guy in college who as drunk all the time, and the girl signs back to me, "But it's only on the weekends."

Well, even if that were true, he is still stunting the hard work of spiritual growth, by making drugs instead of himself the driving force in his daily and weekly rhythms. He is making his school work depend upon weekend escapism.

And of course it was never just on the weekends. It was every time he rolled out of bed 7 days per week until he needed to maintain blood alcohol content 24/7, or face withdrawal symptoms.

And then it was not just ethanol, it was also nicotine and marijuana.

I have to say that I have never met anyone who was able to just occasionally use any of these things without fairly soon getting to an unhealthy and destructive level of use and perceived need.

And same also for caffeine, and you could say also for sugar and fatty foods.

But the argument for using any of it in the first place is just completely bogus.

And the prescription psych meds are just as bad if not worse, as are the prescription pain killers. I say that the prescription med problem is actually more serious for our society. And then street drugs are just something people can prescribe for themselves, but it is still no good at all.

SJG

David Gilmour / Richard Wright - Shine On You Crazy Diamond youtube.com

Like I said: it intoxicates you as it alters one's state of consciousness which is why I personally do not approve of any drugs whatsoever ..maybe shrooms, but I'm not talking about that right now. Although, I haven't tried them.

While meditistion alters the state of consciousness, it does so in a better way. Proof of this is just using ur common sense. ..when ppl ask you "are u high?" It obviously isnt because you are doing thr brightest of actions .

If a person is in the minority for which weed makes them more productive , or if one is like needing it to cope with something , then ok

But for the majority of ppl who arent in that category, weed just alters consciousness in an unproductive way.

Ok this is my last comment until thr next time I can comment which is Idk. And the reason I can say that is bc I'm not looking for a debate, in am just stating my view.

The long term effects of marijuana on a persons mental faculties, even moderate long term use, are huge! I see this all the time.

But everyone should have daily routines of meditation, prayer, spiritual practice, and exercise. These are how we grow, and these give us what many people have been conned into believing they can get from drugs.

SJG

Psychedelics and Ecstasy might not go to addiction that often. But that is because most people's lives are not organized to revolve around it.

Most people who use coccain do quickly develop a serious problem

Marijuana is a serious problem because people lie to themselves and convince themselves that it is not hurting them. It really is hurting them.

"Drug use does not usually lead to abuse."

Well yes it does, because using some kind of a drug which you absolutely do not need, that is already abuse.

SJG

I know drugs are bad, but they feel good and make shit go away for a while.

No, frequent use isnt bad bc it leads to frequent abuse.frequent use is bad bc it leads to frequent intoxication .

And I honestly don't know what to think.of you if u ask me to tell u why frequent intoxication is bad. Lol..

Why don't you just admit you like getting high. People who have to make up reasons for doing it are weird AF

The only thing I smoke are fools like you on the basketball court.

..the unique sensations around u? ? U means living in one' s head since the effects of drugs aren't a result of any other external stimuli other than a substances itself which alters your state of reality I'm not a good way bc it makes most ppl feel good by BEiNG out of touch with reality ? Ok.

Nah..it isnt about productivity..but just more about staying away from toxicity or junky things .for instance , I wouldnt tell my daughter to not gossip with other girls bc it is bad, but because it takes her away from goodness

Moreover, ppl be like: drugs r good for u bc they make u feel good

Me: kind of like how lust makes u feel good? Kind of like u know something probably isnt good for u when u have to experience an altered and skewed state of reality to feel good ?

Its called being a square. Just say you like being high. There's nothing wrong with that

@DC u call me close minded yet you're the one who rssponds just now not in repsonse to my content , but with an ad hominem and logical fallacy?

Wow..y'all..DC calls me close minded. ..yet , instead of responding to the logic of my argument or of the content, he instead responds with in ad hominem. Interesting .

Moreover, ppl be like: drugs r good for u bc they make u feel good

Me: kind of like how lust makes u feel good? Kind of like u know something probably isnt good for u when u have to experience an altered and skewed state of reality to feel good

@Nicole, I used to be very anti drug, then a lot of shit happened in my life and I realized that I like the feeling of escaping from reality. Its a poor coping mechanism but I like being high. I admit I pretty much smoke weed every day and do coke whenever I want. I also like day drinking once or twice a week. Molly makes sex or clubbing better.

@Nicole, DCs uptightness stems from the same mental problems that keep him from being able to ask a chick out

How can someone who is so illogical he cant even get sex without paying for it cos he cant ask a girl out call anyone illogical???? LMFAO

Oh . so saying that "Kind of like u know something probably isnt good for u when u have to experience an altered and skewed state of reality to feel good" is totally and solely a rhetorical reference to ethos.

That would imply that telling someone to stay away from lust and thus a person who is just using them is bad for you because the lustful person skews your reality and does not really love u is an "ethical claim".

You are embarrasing lol

I guess smokijg marijuana also makes you close minded ?

K

Only dopes do dope.

It isn't an ethical claim, its grounded in material reality. I don't buy the whole absolute subjectivity bs. Epistemological truths exist.

Ohhh ok @dc. Interesting how u were able to respond to nearly all my previous comment sin previous threads, somw of which had significantly worse "grammatical " errors ..

Ohhh ok @dc. Interesting how u were able to respond to nearly all my previous comments in previous threads, some of which had significantly worse "grammatical " errors

thats a typical white boy argument, they think they look smart by pretending that they dont understand you. lmfao

basically saying yeah you're dumb coz of my poor english language comprehension duh duh duh #collegewhiteboyswag

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I love it how DC makes it appear as if I am claiming that intoxicity is inherently bad for "moral" reasons .this is funny that he does this, because I justified my views towrads intoxcity with the same logic regarding why dating a lustful person is bad for u: such a person skews ur sense of reality, in the same way that drugs and alcohol do.

While ppl may assume that drugs and alcohol dont harm u in the same way that a lustful person does, why don't u tell me how much healthier ur body and teeth would be if you didnt use drugs Or alcohol , or at least did so like one or two hrs a wk , as opposed to at least 3 or 4 hrs a week Like THE VAST MAJORITY of drug users do.

.just had to type this to prevent u all from thinking I was claiming intoxicity is bad for any reason than why I actually said it was bad..

Thia dude over here trying to out words in my mouth.

Conclusion: in my opinion at least ,intoxicity is bad ONLY if u do it like 3 hrs a week..since this amount of hours would deem it to be frequent use, which would imply frequently being out of touch with reality .

Conclusion: in my opinion at least ,intoxicity is bad ONLY if u do it like 3 hrs a week..since this amount of hours would deem it to be frequent use, which would imply frequently being out of touch with reality .

Queen troll out .

I would like to try the hallucinogenic stuff (LSD or maybe 'shrooms or something along those lines). But I understand I'd need to get a trusted supply and take it in the company of a trusted, experienced person. Right now I don't have such a person (with background in hallucinogenic drugs).

I have been following JS69 threads, where he writes about cannabis sativa and cannabis indicta, and writes (IIRC) that the latter has effects more along the lines that I'd be looking for right now. And that the stuff 20 is light years ahead of the stuff from 20 years ago. Also the O-D risk is very low, which appeals to me. Plus it could be an alternative to alcohol, which is a plus.

But that takes me back to the part of me being a wage slave. And here in Ohio, we often have to provide urine samples to employers. And I can jeopardize (right now) my employ-ability. So maybe some day when I'm more established or where that's not a threat to me. But for Mrs. 77, she could enjoy it for now. I cannot.

This would all be for very occasion recreational use. Not a regular thing.

intoxicity is bad ONLY if u do it like 3 hrs a week..since this amount of hours would deem it to be frequent use, which would imply frequently being out of touch with reality .

@dominic

Exactly ! Occassional use is fine..but using drugs regularly which translates to being regularly out of touch with reality is ...Lol well that speaks 4 itself

People who use drugs are really cool. Why are you giving them such a bad rap?

Ha ha every fucking day.

DC sounds like a potential mass shooter

DC occasionally partakes in drugs, not always healthy but it is what it is. He doesn't allow it to ruin his life.

Nicole more than occasionally eats cheesecake, donuts, and takis. And also going online to piss off board members. She doesn't allow it to ruin her goals of killing it on the senate floor?

This is ridiculous.

If you've never done drugs, don't comment. Especially if the reason you haven't done drugs is because of naivete, close-mindedness, or ignorance as opposed to just not wanting to. This is not a website to get judgmental over people's life choices.

And FYI, weed not physically addictive. It is also less damaging to the body than almost any mind altering substance out there. It's less dangerous than Tylenol ffs. If someone gets "addicted" to weed, they have no will power to begin with and are probably also addicted to candy bars and video games. Weed is relaxing and therapeutic. Do I smoke weed to get high? Yes. I also smoke it to relax, help with my nausea, help me sleep, etc. It's an herb. It is also less addictive than caffeine.

Also, no one who drinks alcohol on occasion or at all really should be judgmental towards those who smoke weed. Alcohol is undeniably more dangerous and more intoxicating than marijuana. Give me a break.

It's also funny trapbaby304 that you said you have tried heroin once and will never use it again, but just a few days ago you you listed these as your top 5 pleasures:

"1- Money 2- Making love 3- Sex with another woman 4- Coke or heroin 5- Getting faded and going out to a really good restaurant"

Nicole1994's opinion is useless, she's clearly already a cokehead anyway.

So what, its an amazing feeling but I don't want to get addicted so I wouldn't.

Nicole's opinion isn't useless, its actually really good.

I just think people who try to justify their drug use are fucking idiots. Just say you like getting high. Its not that hard. At least I can admit it

"Nicole's opinion isn't useless, its actually really good." You have an odd sense of humor.

You literally justified your drug use when you said,

"@Nicole, I used to be very anti drug, then a lot of shit happened in my life and I realized that I like the feeling of escaping from reality. Its a poor coping mechanism but I like being high. I admit I pretty much smoke weed every day and do coke whenever I want. I also like day drinking once or twice a week. Molly makes sex or clubbing better."

^^^That is an example of trying to justify drug use.

Idk why anyone here would need to justify their drug use to anyone else here. I smoke weed to get high. I don't need to justify my marijuana use because there's absolutely nothing wrong with marijuana, it's not a hard drug and it does have a wide variety of therapeutic uses. I ate two strip steaks this evening and got nauseated afterwards. It was heavy on my stomach. Smoked some weed, and felt much better. Nausea gone.

I didn't justify it, I stated an admission. I like getting high duh!

Go play with semantics somewhere else bitch

Lol I'm "playing with semantics." OK. I don't think you really know what that means, but... I don't want to get into the semantics of that. Haha.

Go play troll somewhere else. Don't you have a pimp waiting for his money?

I think you need to STFU and go play your word games with someone else dumb bitch.

Don't worry about what I got to do. Worry about yourself.

I just find it odd that a person claiming to be a prostitute with a pimp would risk getting their ass beat by him to argue on tuscl all night instead of staying in-pocket. You don't sound like a very smart or successful hoe.

"I think you need to STFU and go play your word games with someone else dumb bitch."

^I was actually pointing out your logical loopholes about your 'opinion' on drug use, you're the one that's trying to turn this into some 'word game' and calling me a 'dumb bitch' just because I have something of substance to say (no pun intended).

Go play your word games with someone dumb enough to humor your BS.

You've already humored me enough with your various contradictions. Lmao.

go brag about your criminal record in some thread or get high or something. Bye Felicia dont let the door hit you on the way out. but being the needy bitch that you are have your last word and play your games.

Lol are you really that pressed by me? You don't sound like a very happy hoe.

Lolol at ppl who think not wanting to do drugs has anything to do with what we were taught in 5th grade, as opposed to just wanting to stay in touch with reality as opposed to Out of touch with it by using drugs, especially when I have already stated numerous times it was because of the latter:)

I guess certain men on here will forever love putting words in the mouths of others.

Lolol at ppl who think not wanting to do drugs has anything to do with what we were taught in 5th grade, as opposed to just wanting to stay in touch with reality as opposed to Out of touch with it by using drugs, especially when I have already stated numerous times it was because of the latter:)

I guess certain men on here will forever love putting words in the mouths of others

Lolol at ppl who think not wanting to do drugs has anything to do with what we were taught in 5th grade, as opposed to just wanting to stay in touch with reality as opposed to Out of touch with it by using drugs, especially when I have already stated numerous times it was because of the latter:)

I guess certain men on here will forever love putting words in the mouths of others

Lolol at ppl who think not wanting to do drugs has anything to do with what we were taught in 5th grade, as opposed to just wanting to stay in touch with reality as opposed to Out of touch with it by using drugs, especially when I have already stated numerous times it was because of the latter:)

I guess certain men on here will forever love putting words in the mouths of others

Lolol at ppl who think not wanting to do drugs has anything to do with what we were taught in 5th grade, as opposed to just wanting to stay in touch with reality as opposed to Out of touch with it by using drugs, especially when I have already stated numerous times it was because of the latter:)

I guess certain men on here will forever love putting words in the mouths of others

ugh i wouldn't call DC a "man" lol

Losers like you are the worst

I bet anything this is what DC is like LMFAO youtube.com

Nope. But it was a funny video.

you're not funny though

What is funny is that the druggie stoners who were calling law abiding non-users "square" are now showing a bit of defensiveness towards their need for drugs and their abuse of them.

@flag I'm.not sure if DC is a drug abuser as he claims to use weed once a week

However , what is funny is thinking that being regularly or frequently intoxicated is okay, given that intoxication skews your thinking , clarity, and judgement .

And what is more funny is assuming I have a problem with drugs for any other reason than the one I just stated as that as the only reason I have been referring to ...

Guess ppl wanna be not only defensive, but also assumptuous.

I have friends that drink on weekends but dont get drunk or wasted..I'm proud of them.

like I said, intoxication skews ur judgment and clarity .

@nice spice yea.. I occasionally eating sweets, etc. Like once a month or twice a month ofr two months out of the year ? Lmao that is still much less than doing it different than doing it weekly. Y ou seem to have misunderstood what I said..

Doing it occasionally is fine with me. I wasn't criticiizng Occassional use, but rather regular or frequent use .

@poosche (nicole), exactly. People are like all the time, "Dom! How do you do it? Eating a donut?"

Right. I go to a mom&pop bakery. Clean and healthy lifestyle means you can't eat that shit everyday or even every week. You just can't. But I do about once a month. That won't catch up to you. But you do have to be like 90-95% clean.

Like 0-1 beer a night, weekdays. I've cut down from 2. And maybe sip liquor neat (e.g. vodka) on the weekends, only. Intoxicated rarely.

Also a @spice sure..if u wanna smoke weed as much ad nicole 1994 eats cheesecake, go ahead and do it once every other moth then lmao as I don't always eat it every month .

Also, if u wanna smoke weed for as much as long as it takes Nicole to eat her cheesecake , then smoke weed for 20 min once a monthnor every other lmao

Also, if u wanna smoke weed as Much ss Nicole gets on Tuscl when she isnt walking to class or waiting for the preofessor to talk about something in class that will actuakky be on the test as opposed to answering student's questions etc, then smoke weed for one hour max each week.

Also my main activity on here just consists of making a post and leaving it so others can commejt on it lmao.

Am I gonna stop spending 5 minutes to kake a simple post? Nahhh

But I would liken to even cut down on the extent to which I respond to comments , which I dont even do compared to many of the users , But I still do it. However , at least I acknowledge that it is bad and bc of I'm I'm trying to even spend less than an hour a wk responding to comments..as opposed to acting like it is a good thing lmao .

Like I said, frequent intoxicity means frequent lack of performance for basic tasks , such as understanding the person who is speaking to u, responding without slurring . etc. Only exception is probably shrooms

Meth and coke increase alertness but we all know doing either frequently is bad and as for meth, can make u violent etc

"What is funny is that the druggie stoners who were calling law abiding non-users "square" are now showing a bit of defensiveness towards their need for drugs and their abuse of them."

Who? Which stoners (plural) were getting defensive of smoking weed? Lmao your mind is more deluded than any weed smoker's here, you're actually calling weed smokers "druggies" when the reality is that it's not dangerous or even comparable to hard drugs or Rx drugs. You're old, you've probably had some sort of surgery, and if you have, you've done a drug much "worse" than marijuana.

You also seem to be obsessed with marijuana and/or people who smoke it.

Nicole1994 is just a coke head rambling on as usual. What a hypocrite.

:-)

Very well-thought-out response.

"Also my main activity on here just consists of making a post and leaving it so others can commejt on it lmao."

Is that why you've made like 25 posts on this thread since yesterday?

Hey Nina. Umm no that's not why.

Cuz can u read? I guess not coherently , since in that comment I was only talking about main activity (making post ) as opposed to my side hustle (responding to comments )

Guess u cant distinguish main activity from side hustle , nor can u differentiate making thread vs commenting ?

And if youre gonna be so trivial and copy and paste what other ppl say when they arent even talking to u, then at least learn to copy and paste accurately lmao I think they taught us that in 5th grade

And that is bc I already addressed ur question before u even commented with this comment I posted this morning :

Also, if u wanna smoke weed as Much as Nicole gets on Tuscl when she isnt walking to class or waiting for the preofessor to talk about something in class that will actually be on the test as opposed to answering students' questions etc, then smoke weed for one hour max each week.

Here I implied that I only spend an hour max on Tuscl when im not using it in the bus or when walking. I am literally in thre bus right now, spent like 35-40 mins commenting yesterday , and commented this morning when I was waiting for my food to heat up..

And as for ur response as to the regular use of weed, like with this comment towards u, I already addressed ur rebuttal in a previous comment lmao.

^lmao this is why I rarely respond to u anymore. Ur logic tends to be circular , addressing things I have already covered

Men of tuscl, remember how I said that comparing weed to other drugs will make weed look good , just like comparing a 5 will make a girl look hot as compared to a girl who is 1? I didnt say it in those specific yerms but I did articulate that concept

Lmao.I'm done.go intoxicate urself.

I assume anyone who says, "Nicole is right" is either a troll or is drunk or high themselves.

No one is getting defensive, except, oddly, the people who don't do drugs and also don't know anything about drugs who are being defensive for some reason. If you don't do drugs, fine, but no, Nicole doesn't know wtf she's talking about. She is both naive and ignorant on this subject.

My first semester of college I was 17. I had done a little drinking but hadn't smoked, or done any illegal drugs (besides drinking underage a couple days a week). I didn't know what I wanted to do with my life so I took random classes my first college semester, one being a class on the psychology of drugs and drug behavior. I am textbook learned on all 'mainstream' drugs and have also experimented with some. I know what I'm talking about.

I started smoking weed around that age, because I was in college. I first got stoned at 17. My friends and sister started a year or so earlier than me, and I was always the sober one watching them get high and think they were acting very stupid, and I didn't want to act stupid like that. But the truth was, they were all 15-16 year old high schoolers when they first tried it, so of course they're going to act dumb. And it was not dangerous stupidity like how people get drunk. It was harmless stupidity and lots of laughing that at least provided some entertainment to me.

Then I first got high, I was a stoner from then on. I never thought I would be. But me and my sister got a house together and I got high a few times and decided I want to smoke weed for the rest of my life. I've had times where I've stopped for a few months, but I'll never stop permanently.

And by the time I was Nicole's age, which was only 3 years ago, I was way more successful than her. If weed is so bad, then why is Nicole a 24 year old sophomore bum, while I have two jobs, make very good money, have nice things, assets, my own place, way more education, credit, etc? There are plenty of complete stoners who do well in school and are just generally very successful.

"Cuz can u read? I guess not coherently , since in that comment I was only talking about main activity (making post ) as opposed to my side hustle (responding to comments )" ^^^No, the problem is that your incoherent posts preclude anyone from being able understand you, except trolls. It is quite common here for people (both sober and otherwise) that cannot make sense of your posts, because they rarely do.

"Also, if u wanna smoke weed as Much as Nicole gets on Tuscl when she isnt walking to class or waiting for the preofessor to talk about something in class that will actually be on the test as opposed to answering students' questions etc, then smoke weed for one hour max each week." ^^^And what's your point? If I smoked for an hour out of each week, I could theoretically get high every day. 60 minutes would give me time to smoke half a blunt to a full blunt 6 days a week at 10 minutes each time. So what is your point?

"And as for ur response as to the regular use of weed, like with this comment towards u, I already addressed ur rebuttal in a previous comment lmao." ^^^Regular use of weed means nothing. I have friends who went to Ivy League schools who smoke every day. There are rich business owners who smoke every. There are successful people with MBAs, JDs, PhDs, MDs, etc, who smoke weed every day. And there are plenty who do not. Marijuana does not preclude a person from being a success; people preclude themselves. Marijuana is not addictive enough to be life-damaging to people unless those people are already prone to laziness and carelessness.

"Men of tuscl, remember how I said that comparing weed to other drugs will make weed look good" ^^^Well, it's true, because weed is very good compared to other drugs. There are very few drugs more dangerous than weed. Weed has caused zero ODs. Thousands of people die from taking Tylenol, Ibuprofen, and Aspirin. People can even overdose from these and die; the same cannot be said for marijuana.

"Lmao.I'm done.go intoxicate urself." ^^^Ooh, burnnn! You just told an adult to do something to themself that they, as an adult, should have the the choice to do responsibly anyway!

No need to get defensive.

"No need to get defensive."

I know. Nicole1994 always seems to do so. Idk why, if drugs are something she is so against, she felt the need to make over 25 posts on this topic. Lmao.

Right...cuz I'm the only example of someone who doesnt smoke weed?

This argument is about weed smoking vs non weed smoking , not Nicole vs Nina.

I dont even agree with ur comparison about us , but I'm not gonna address it cuz I already have in the past (according to through the eyes of law school admission officers based on discussing my situation with many of them , not thru the eyes of a stripper ) so I'm not gonna waste my time.

.it is about weed smoking vs not smoking. So u have to compare the effects of weed on the majority of weed users vs majority of non smokers...

Look at nina trying to be turn a topic that applies to a broad range of ppl into a catfight between 2 girls

Interesting . Also this comment wasnt really for Nina, but rather to every one else who doesnt have a good understanding of my claims based on nina and DC putting words in my mouth or cherry picking what I say

"Right...cuz I'm the only example of someone who doesnt smoke weed?" ^^^It was merely an exemplification of the fact that there can be bums who don't smoke weed (you) and extremely accomplished people who do.

"This argument is about weed smoking vs non weed smoking , not Nicole vs Nina." ^^^Trust me, I know. Your name doesn't deserve to be spoken in the same breath as mine.

"I dont even agree with ur comparison about us" ^^^I didn't compare us, I contrasted.

", but I'm not gonna address it cuz I already have in the past (according to through the eyes of law school admission officers based on discussing my situation with many of them , not thru the eyes of a stripper ) so I'm not gonna waste my time." ^^^I would understand your desire to discuss your 'situation' with admissions officers, since you are a 24 year old sophomore with a subpar ability to take standardized tests, based on your own allegation of having the grades but not the test scores for Harvard, and the fact that you can't string together a coherent group of sentences here despite regularly reposting a revised view that is still always littered with typos and grammatic tragedies.

".it is about weed smoking vs not smoking. So u have to compare the effects of weed on the majority of weed users vs majority of non smokers..." ^^^Right, because comparing effects of weed on non smokers will produce a plethora of data about the effects of weed, right?

"Look at nina trying to be turn a topic that applies to a broad range of ppl into a catfight between 2 girls" ^^^This isn't even worthy of a response. Again, since yesterday, you've now made nearly 30 posts on this discussion. I finally stop ignoring you after like your 24th post here and include facts that dispute your ignorance, so now it's called a 'cat fight.' That makes absolutely no sense. You were arguing with other people (guys) on here before I even quoted you. Were those also cat figts?

"Also this comment wasnt really for Nina," ^^^Yes, it completely was.

It has much less to do my writing , but the fact that ppl often conflate various views in regards to controversial topics .

Yes they would ....it happens all tell time with various controversial topics, which I stated above

Plz read more intelligently

Please help me with my command of the English language. Nina said "I didn't compare us, I contrasted."

She must be right because she always is, but I always thought contrasting was a type of a comparison.

com·pare kəmˈper/Submit verb 1. estimate, measure, or note the similarity or dissimilarity between.

DC maybe you're retarded or have a language comprehension problem. Nicole writes very well and her words are very clear. But you're a typical college aged white boy who thinks pretending to be too stupid to understand her makes you look smart. Shouldn't you be dropping LSD in your mom's basement and prepare a mass shooting or something?

Nah..I made typos in my other comments.however , dc is wrong in that he exagerrates how severe those typos were , as he fluently responded to many of my comments in the past which had significantly worse typos.

He's such a contradiction

"Nicole writes very well and her words are very clear."

LMAO!!! The trolls have to stick together.

Not if this troll just now undermined what the other troll said to give her own opinion

Lmao cherry pickers and contradictory ppl must need to stick to together.

Oh and subpar ability to take tests? Bc getting into harvard is the only measure of good test taking skills? Because me getting into cornell means I have sub par test taking skills?and id youre gonna talk about how I transferred , please learn from ur previous mistake and not cherry pick by additionally mentioning why I transferred , which is bc I couldn't change my major there as they wouldn't let me transfer to a different college

Moreover , if I have sub par gpa bc I couldn't get into Harvard (but I got into an elite school which you have not ) , but u have a low gpa per ur own allegation , does that mean u have less than sub par academic abilities since ur gpa alone is so low ?

No I didnt get into Harvard , but I got into a school in the same league as it.

....but u haven't. Guess u are less than sub par ? Lol idiot.

Oh what u have an lsat score that will get u into Harvard ? Ok the prove it like how got into Cornell.

Unless u actually get in, you just have the potential to get into Harvard lmao which is subjective.

U cant compare a Cornell acceptance to thr "potential " of getting into Harvard bc of ur slat score while overlooking ur low ass GPA .

At least my standardized test taking wasnt low enough to prevent me from getting into Cornell.

U cant compare a Cornell acceptance to thr "potential " of getting into Harvard bc of ur lsat score while overlooking ur low ass GPA .

At least my standardized test taking wasnt low enough to prevent me from getting into Cornell.and Even if ur low gpa wont prevent u from getting into the top 10 for law, you dont even know that yet bc you haven't even received admission.

Lmao.

U cant compare a Cornell acceptance to thr "potential " of getting into Harvard bc of ur lsat score while overlooking ur low ass GPA .

At least my standardized test taking wasnt low enough to prevent me from getting into Cornell.and Even if ur low gpa wont prevent u from getting into the top 10 for law, you dont even know that yet bc you haven't even received admission.

Lmao.

You can't read. I didn't say you didn't get into Harvard because of your GPA. I said you didn't get in because of your test scores. Standardized tests are a better measure of a person's actual intelligence than a GPA is. Also, different schools even have different standards for grades, and differing GPA scoring systems, making GPAs of lesser importance in determining how much a person actually knows and understands.

We've heard you talking about Cornell over and over. I do not care to have you explain how you allegedly managed to transfer from Cornell to UT after taking a four year break upon completing a whopping 30 credit hours and STILL cannot compose a paragraph that makes sense and reads with decent grammar. Perhaps there were a couple people in admissions with fetishes for girls who are half horse have ball sacks. Haha.

U cant compare a Cornell acceptance to thr "potential " of getting into Harvard bc of ur lsat score while overlooking ur low ass GPA .

At least my standardized test taking wasnt low enough to prevent me from getting into Cornell.and Even if ur low gpa wont prevent u from getting into the top 10 for law, you dont even know that yet bc you haven't even received admission.

Lmao.

No I can read....my answer actually acknowledged what u exactly said which is that I didn't get into Harvard bc of my SAT score.....

I said that while it is true I didnt get into Harvard because of my SAT score, that doesnt matter because it was still high enough to get into Cornell ......

And I only keep talking ahout Cornell not to brag but becsuse ur dumbass seems to think that standardized testing is a better measure for academic performance than an actual acceptsnce

No I can read....my answer actually acknowledged what u exactly said which is that I didn't get into Harvard bc of my SAT score.....

I said that while it is true I didnt get into Harvard because of my SAT score, that doesnt matter because it was still high enough to get into Cornell ......

And, Nicoke, what are you even talking about with me trying to get into Harvard? I have never tried to get into Harvard. I've mentioned here once that my LSAT scores were on par (or higher) than the average person accepted there. I have never had an interest in going to Harvard, you are making things up.

Law typically requires writing skills, which you lack. You will have to do tons of reading as well as writing in law school and you have shown zero potential of having the grammar skills to be able to compete with other law students. You would flunk out after everyone in your classes, including your profs, have had ample time to laugh at your ignorance. And that is assuming that you even get into law school. Taking four years off after your freshman year and not even having a job as an excuse for that absence is laughable at best.

You live in an imaginary circus, but are a real-life clown.

Law also requires sufficient reasoning skills, which you cant have by assuming that a standarized test score is worth more than an actual acceptance, especially an acceptance to the school of the same caliber .

I type on my cell phone for Tuscl, not for coege applicAtions .

If u think my writing is poor, but I still got into Cornell and UT with it but you haven't,I wonder what that says about the quality of ur writing.

Lmao good reasoning skills also requires that how one writes on her phone on Tuscl is reflective of the quality of her writing on a laptop for professional and academic endeavors.

The quality of my writing is far superior to yours and I have accolades to prove it.

I applied to neither Cornell nor UT. Please tell me what schools I got accepted to since you want to talk shit and brag about being a 24 year old sophomore.

Clearly , Even if my writing did suck, you should worry more about ur logic than ur writing

This is why logic on the test to get into law school is worth nearly 50% of the exam, while the writing section is graded less than the SAt is and barely even fucking scored to begin with .

Lmao u wanna talk about my writing when the writing section isn't ven scored on the law school admissions exam, but the logic section is worth 50% of the test ...ok

Cornell can't hold a candle to the education that can be acquired through a state of Michigan remedial community college.

This isnt to say that my writing is poor, but rather that your logic is shut by assuming my writing on Tuscl is reflective of the quality of my writing , which it is not based on the schools I have been accepted to.

As for me being 23 and still in college, I will explain that to the admisdions officers who have already told me I will be okay lmao

Don't worry, I don't expect u to understand what the law admissions officers have told me based on u talking about my writing skills when that part of the test isn't even graded but the logic section is.

if you are so worried about me being 24 and in college , i could care less about what the opinion of a paralegal is after admissions officers at top schools have told me that my age won't be an issue .

i would much rather be thirty years old ad a graduate from Cornell law school as opposed to being 30 or close to 30 and a paralegal.. Or being 30 and and not a top lawyer .

I would much rather be 24 and working way into law school and receiving an elite undergraduate education as opposed to being 24 and working a regular job, when I don't need that to even get into law school

if you are so worried about me being 24 and in college , i could care less about what the opinion of a paralegal is after admissions officers at top schools have told me that my age won't be an issue .

i would much rather be thirty years old ad a graduate from Cornell law school as opposed to being 30 or close to 30 and a paralegal.. Or being 30 and and not a top lawyer .

I would much rather be 24 and working way into law school and receiving an elite undergraduate education as opposed to being 24 and working a regular job, when I don't need that to even get into law school

I didn't mention your writing skills in regard to standardized tests, I mentioned that your writing skills will preclude you from being able to get through law school.

“Cornell can't hold a candle to the education that can be acquired through a state of Michigan remedial community college.”

But which school has the better drugs?

Probably Cornell.

I went to a university, guys here just like to discredit me and pretend I got my education from a community college. These are the idiots that don't understand that community colleges don't give out bachelor's and law degrees.

Right Nina..

Because how I write on Tuscl on a cell phone is reflective of my academic writing abilities , as opposed to how i write on pen and paper about constitutional issues in school.

You are assuming the latter is the same as the former . I wonder how u will get through law school with ur lack of reasoning skills.

Somehow I manage.

Btw, I literally got 93's -96 on the written arguments section for my constitutional law courses,

Nothing less than 90 on my foreign policy papers at UT

And 96 on my policy paper at Cornell when the average was 93

88 on my harshly graded Cornell paper when the average was a b- ...two letter grades above the average at an ivy.

Clearly, if my writing ability in school wont preclude me from getting in, i guess my Tuscl ability will !!! Wow , this girl wants yo play law school admissions officer in so many ways ? Kind of like how she begs to talk about being in college at my age when the admissions officers stated to me it wouldn't me a problem ? Lmao.

Ok I'm done now sorry ppl bye

I see I struck a nerve.

I will let you keep talking to yourself now.

My only drug is the zona norte's beautiful chicas

^ Join the "square" club.

We aren't cool enough to brag about being so rebellious as to take drugs illegally to mask our insecurities.

^ and this fact is based on what scientific studies?

I was referring to this allegation

"People who are good writers simply get used to writing well as a part of their day to day life whether it is texting or writing an academic paper. Good writers don't go on a forum and think "oh I'm not writing a paper anymore so I can finally start making unintelligible posts." Good writers are simply used to writing well, and may make some mild grammatical mistakes in casual writing as opposed to formal writing."

But aren’t doctors really smart people too, and you know what they say about doctors writing ;)

Lol my mom till this day will make fun of how awful her (step)dad's handwriting is and how hard it was to read his writing when she was a kid. He's a pediatrician.

So you extrapolate that and attribute it to all good writers?

If you have a negative experience with someone of a particular race do you denounce all people of that race? How about religion or gender?

I hate everybody equally am I a bigot ;)

"We aren't cool enough to brag about being so rebellious as to take drugs illegally to mask our insecurities."

Oh, please. You illegally buy pussy so stop being a hypocrite. And people take drugs "illegally" for many reasons; where do you get the idea that people just take drugs to "mask insecurities"?

^Buying pussy is illegal, what kind of a country do we live in ;)

"There's nothing wrong with choosing not to take drugs, what makes you a square is supporting the catastrophic war on drugs out of ignorance and closed mindedness."

...and without doing his research first.

Well put, DC9428.

Hey @dc are u trying to make assumptions about my beliefs again like u did when u thought my anti drug attidued were rooted solely in Moral reasons, despite me talking about the issue from an entirely different perspective ?..

Tuscl is no exuse to write like shit. I dont type like shit on here cuz of the nature of the site , but bc I generally have access to my phone as opposed to my laptop when I get on here, which personally maked it hard me 4 me to type,and is thus a reason why I hate communicating over text

I illegally buy pussy? News to me.

I'm guessing you assume everybody that posts on here participates in the illegal purchase of sex based on your experience of selling BJs for 50 cents.

Hey @dc are u trying to make assumptions about my beliefs again like u did when u thought my anti drug attitudes were rooted solely in Moral reasons, despite me talking about the issue from an entirely different perspective ?..

Tuscl is no exuse to write like shit. I dont type like shit on here cuz of the nature of the site , but bc I generally have access to my phone as opposed to my laptop when I get on here, which personally makes it hard me 4 me to type,and is thus a reason why I hate communicating over text

Well I don't care if your posting style is similar.

We are two different people . if how I type should be the same as yours or close to it, then I guess one person's handwriting style would be similar as that of the next

Ok flagooner, do you have a problem with people illegally buying pussy? Because you sure seem to have a stick up your ass about people illegally using even the most harmless of drugs.

And enough with the 50 cent bj thing. That's txttyfag's line. You better ask somebody, people have met me here and gotten vip dances from me and not one of them can say I sucked their dick because I have never sucked or fucked for money yet I'm still a top earner and it really creams your corn to the point of you having to attempt libelous claims to discredit my greatness. Loser.

Well I don't care if your posting style is similar.

We are two different people . if how I type should be the same as yours or close to it, then I guess one person's handwriting style would be similar as that of the next

Not really, because that assumes that we all.shoukd be able to type well over a fucking cell phone.lmao.

I'm definitely not the only person, or close to being the only one, who writes like an idiot on a cell phone but can write decently on another medium such as a computer .

I'm definitely not the only person, or close to being the only one, who writes like an idiot on a cell phone but can write decently on another medium such as a computer .

I'm definitely not the only person, or close to being the only one, who writes like an idiot on a cell phone but can write decently on another medium such as a computer ...

It looks like I struck a nerve. ;-)

You stated that I illegally purchase pussy as a fact. I was guessing as to why you assumed that to be true.

Why did you make that assumption about me and then get all pissy when I allege something similar about you? And I even specifically stated that I was GUESSING about the reason. Thin skin?????

Oh, and while txtittyfag was the one that disclosed your side hustle of cheap BJs I use it because I find it humorous.

You didn't answer my question, which is actually relevant.

Since you have an obvious problem with people using illegal drugs, do you also have a problem with the people here who illegally buy pussy?

How can a pussy be illegal #pussylivematter

No, I don't have a problem with people who illegally cross the street either.

I don't have a problem with people who take drugs. I feel sorry for many, and pity some.

I disagree with legalizing recreational drugs for reasons I've stated before.

Now are you going to answer my question.

Why did you make that assumption about me and then get all pissy when I allege something similar about you? And I even specifically stated that I was GUESSING about the reason. Thin skin?????

Well, I'm hot, intelligent, and good at sales. It shouldn't come as a surprise that a hot stripper who works hard makes money.

According to popular opinion here, you are quite old. You are also perpetually grumpy. It's not like women are going to throw themselves at you.

@DC, read the OP. There was no reference to the war on drugs as to who was considered "square". You may feel that way but that wasn't what was used by Nina. Of course now she changes her story to fall in line with your claim.

You didn't answer my question, which is actually relevant.

Why did you make that assumption about me and then get all pissy when I allege something similar about you? And I even specifically stated that I was GUESSING about the reason. Thin skin?????

^" It's not like women are going to throw themselves at you."

No, druggie stripper whores that prefer gangbanger convicts don't throw themselves at me. Im fine with that.

Lol, I'm a druggie whore because I smoke weed, make money, and don't do extras?

Why are you so combative and angry?

Crickets to my question. Figures

Oh, yeah, you do match that description don't you?

Im not angry. I'm actually having fun with this conversation.

I’m not going to throw myself at flag, but I will smash his like button.

:-)

"Crickets to my question. Figures"

I answered your question. You are old and grumpy so it's not like women are throwing themselves at you for free. How many times do you want me to answer your question?

TrapBaby wrote:

"I know drugs are bad, but they feel good and make shit go away for a while."

And yes, that is why people use drugs, and that is a very unhealthy way to live.

DC9428, what you are talking about is Calvinism. I certainly have never supported that.

You are still living within Calvinism, using drugs, in moderation, as a way of fighting against it.

I do not support Calvinism in any form or manner, so I do not have to do stupid meaningless things to rebel against it.

Life is aesthetic. Sex, food, work, reading, study, meditation, these are some of its major rituals. None of them need to in any way support Calvinism.

EchoPizza wrote, "The only thing I smoke are fools like you on the basketball court."

I wish I knew how to play basketball that well. Now I have a reason to learn! :) :) :)

DC wrote, "so I will keep my sex drive" The idea that marijuana makes you horny is sheer nonsense. If you need marijuana to feel horny, then there are already things wrong in your life, dissociation and denial. People who use marijuana lightly come to have holes in their life and consciousness. So curious that there are people on this forum willing to make so many posts to try and defend their drug habits are harmless.

We all need ALL OF OUR FACULTIES to be able to keep integrating and processing the things which happen. We need to be constantly re-examinging and re-interpreting our past experiences. This is a 24/7 life long job. People who use drugs to escape or feel good are committing psychic lobotomies on themselves.

Dominic77, yes some people will use psychedelics. But how much better to be able to find such states by your own consciousness. Meditation, drumming, trance, hyperventilating, all of the known psychedelic states can be found easily, and especially that often reported LSD experience of lying on you back and seeing the walls and ceiling breathing.

SJG

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@Nina. If you think that in any way answers my question you are as mentally stupid as you are mentally weak.

Lmao ok grump.

LMAO ok 50 cent BJ whore

"LMAO ok 50 cent BJ whore"

You love talking dirty to me but I just don't dig ya like that.

DC "How am I being a Calvinist? I'm not even Christian."

You are fighting against this idea that everything needs to be purposeful. You are fighting against Calvinism.

Well 180 degrees from Calvinism is still Calvinism. And yes, this is why most people who drink and use do so, rebelling against the Calvinism in their upbringing and in our society.

Calvinism is indeed deeply rooted in our society, but I do not need to rebel against it because I have torn it out of my life by its roots, and from a very early age.

SJG

But if you use either you will see that they interfere with the ongoing project of life integration and increasing sensitivity. So it you valued these things, you would through the week and LSD away.

I am not saying you do not have the right to choose. I only take exception with your attempts to justify your choice, and with your choice itself.

SJG

There's Wikipedia articles that where I had been drafted and stationed the Army was trying to weaponize drugs including LSD, THC derivatives, and Benzos. They were unsuccessful with these drugs. They developed BZ, a strong, non fatal hallucinogenic that could be used as to incapacitate but turned out to be too unpredictable. Someone told me a place I took food to a couple times was for medical volunteers and had some padded cells.

Wikipedia, there's some trustworthy research!

Take it for what it's worth.

Flagooner doesn't know anything about drugs, he's just very Big Government with his views on them and the legalities behind them.

How come this thread got so long since yesterday?

Cuz, trolls. And self-righteous huge-govt-control-loving Flaggy.

@Nina I thought @flag was a true Trumpian drain the swamp, build the wall, lock her up small government advocate;)

She got the self-righteous part correct though ;-)

Noooo say it ain’t so ;)

But yeah, we were the only ones to post. The druggie stripper whore didn't contribute at all.

Lol twentyfive but the trumpians don't drain swamp and love to impose their views to take away the rights of others. Flaggy supports big government control, or he wouldn't want drugs (epsecially one as harmless as weed) to remain illegal.

^ You need to give him a few lappers maybe it’ll improve his disposition;) he might stop being such an oiled grouch like me. ;)

"The druggie stripper whore didn't contribute at all."

Who's the druggie stripper whore who didn't contribute? How dare she?

I certainly contributed (this is my thread, after all), but I am not a druggie as I just smoke weed... also not a whore because I don't suck or fuck for money and men here have confirmed this.

There was that troll (trapbaby304) who claimed to be a hoe who loves heroin and takes five bumps of coke before work, so I guess that is the druggie stripper whore you're referring to (sounds like one to me), but you're too stupid to understand it's a troll account.

which stipper stripper would you rather fuck?

A) druggie whore who fucks for money.

or

B) does not fuck for money but fucks convicted murders for free.

Neither applies to me because I don't fuck customers.

But let's get down to what's really important. How did those nuts of yours get so salty?

Who's Nino?

"But let's get down to what's really important. How did those nuts of yours get so salty?"

i got a blow job after going to the gym, she said my nuts were salty.

Anyone know what the record is for the longest thread?

Hillary Clinton thread? (maybe)

It's why the "Last Comment: 1 minute ago" etc hyperlink at the top of threads as added by @founder.

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Thanks Dominic. I was just being a dumbass with my post but you actually sleuthed out an answer. Lol.

"i got a blow job after going to the gym, she said my nuts were salty."

Oh my. So your tuscl name could've been "sweaty.nutz" or "stinky.nutz"

I knew something was off with that username.

And I got too carried away arguing with the trolls that I think I missed answering a question that I think DC asked me.

The question is why I would not try ketamine.

I would not try ketamine because it's a dissociative like PCP and DXM and I'm not trying to lose my mind.

A kid I went to high school with who was a few grades above me was telling me about this time where he took a bong hit during lunch and his "friends" had laced the weed with PCP without telling him. He started to freak out and thought he was dying and after he got home, he didn't come out of his room for two days and was so fucked up from the incident that he was paranoid for years after and wouldn't even eat a chip unless he saw the actual bag of chips being freshly opened. But let's change the subject to a different person and different drug...

...When I was like 19 I had a place with my friend and a lot of kids that I never hung out with, but were from the area and/or went to the same high school as me, started hanging out at my place. So this kid does DXM (robo tripping).

I knew that he had done the DXM, and I chose not to partake. Only one other kid did it with him, and the other kid was experienced with it. This kid was not. We were all sitting around my dining room table, it was a large table and there was always a game of spades going on with several people pulling up chairs to watch, while others watched TV in my living room or cooked dinner in the kitchen.

So I'm sitting at the table where there are several people gathered, and I'm monitoring this kid who just took the DXM, because I had never been around anyone who had done it and I was scared he was going to vomit all over my house if you want to know the truth.

I told my twin sister I was concerned about the kid, let's call him Charles. My roommate and I were letting my twin live at our house because she'd just broken up with her boyfriend and had no place to stay (this was before she became a dope fiend).

Twin starts making fun of me for being concerned about Trippin' Charles, saying I'm overreacting and that he was fine. Apparently I was the only one paying attention to Charles because I realized that for the last half hour or so, he had withdrawn from the conversation with everyone else and was just hunched over in a very crooked manner in the chair, staring at the table with his face all twisted up. Something bad was happening.

Then some of the guys who were sitting next to him finally realized something was wrong. They tried to ask Charles if he was ok but he would just either ignore them or twist his face up some more, enough to give them a nasty look before retreating his eyes back to the top of the table. People started to realize I was right when I said something was wrong with him.

I was on my laptop at the other end of the table trying to ignore his weirdness. Next thing I know, his body is hovering over mine, he is standing up but has his body all bent over so he can look over my shoulder with his face a few inches from my laptop, as if he is very interested in, or can even understand, what I was doing on my laptop. I was freaked out and moved to a different area of the dining room.

He then sat down and began to dry heave. Then he wandered into the kitchen to dry heave in the sink for a few minutes. He was finally able to talk to people, but no one could understand what he was saying so he gave up for a while.

The next hour or so was spent with him alternating between sitting down and scowling at the table or floor, occasionally whispering to himself in something that was not a real language, and looking extremely scared. Every 20 mins or so he would get up, go to my kitchen sink, and dry heave. Then he would return to the dining room table, sit down, and scowl like a demon from a horror movie. It literally haunted me.

Then eventually, he got up and made the first real sentence since before he took the DXM. He said, "Nina, I'm gonna sleep in your room tonight," and proceeded to walk into my bedroom.

I was telling my friends, "no, he is not allowed to sleep in my bedroom." One of my friends went and got him. I was genuinely scared of him at this point, because his behavior was so creepy and tragic. One of our friends ended up taking him home later that night.

That day was one of my first times actually hanging out with Charles. He was a normal 18/19 year old guy all day. However, I saw him a few times after taking the DXM, and HE WAS NEVER THE SAME. He was always a bit off after that.

I know ketamine has been compared to DXM and PCP since they're all dissociatives. I would never, ever want to look or act like the creature I saw that night.

nina you should help me narrow down a better username between sweaty, stinky or just stick with salty nutz. which one rolls out your tongue better

That's how I typically feel, but my first time taking shrooms I took a full 8er. Well, almost an 8er, I regurgitated a mushroom cap after trying to swallow it whole with a swig of Gatorade. It tasted so bad.

It was one of my best drug experiences, though. I was with a group of friends who I loved and trusted, I had made myself a playlist of songs to listen to which helped me experience the closed eye visuals, and we all just hung out in the park underneath a huge tree sitting on the grass tripping in our own ways. It was the first thing I tried recreationally besides weed.

I remember my sister did not do shrooms with us, but someone has salvia so she tried that. I was feeling so good from the shrooms, and didn't want salvia to mess up my trip, so I stayed away from it. But I remember her taking it during my shrooms trip.

She had tried it once before but hadn't inhaled it enough to have an effect. So this time, I watched her take a hit, and I asked her "do you feel anything?" She said no. I waited a little longer and asked again, "ok, now do you feel anything?" and she answered with something that also was not any currently spoken language, and she seemed to stop mid sentence. Then her chin became glued to her chest and she had a weird grin on her face and was drooling.

It obviously didn't last long. After she snapped out of it, we're like, "so what did it feel like?"

She said everything was just dull shades of black and white, and had a depressing feel to it, and that the really depressing part was that it seemed much more real than actual reality. And she said there was a huge dome, that she could only describe as being "large enough to reach the sky but bigger," and that the dome separated two people --- me and my guy friend --- from the rest of the group.

This was before the DXM thing, back when my sis and I had a house together, so it was way before she was a dope fiend. She was just experimenting, which I give her props for, because a few days prior we had all watched one of our friends try salvia on our living room floor and freak out so badly none of us wanted to try it after that.

Yeah, I only did the 8er because the guy friend that I was on the same side of the dome with in my sister's salvia trip brought me a Xanax to the park in case I started having a bad trip. But I didn't end up needing it.

Same here with salvia. We researched it and it was the closest thing to DMT that we could get our hands on, and it was legal. But I never tried it, and a few of my friends had no interest trying it after watching our friend "James" do it.

We were all just chilling in my living room smoking weed, maybe a couple of us were having a beer, and a friend of mine had bought some salvia. But she said she wanted someone else to try it before she did, so James volunteered. He said he had done it once before.

So he hits the salvia and the rest of us there were girls. Me, and like five of my girl friends. After James takes the hit, we're like, "how does it feel?" and he just laid down on my carpet and curled into the fetal position.

Then once he got back to earth, we were all like, "so what did it feel like?" and he just silently went into the other room and sat alone for a long time. I brought him some ice water and waited until he was ready.

When he came back into the living room, he said the trip was made worse by all of us asking if he felt anything because he couldn't understand us. Then he said something about it feeling like he was being sucked into a Sharpie (weird) and held down. I can't recall a lot else of what he said, but it was an extremely unpleasant experience. No one else did salvia that night. We just stuck to weed and maybe a lil booze.

One of the girls tried it a few days later and liked it a lot. She thought it was fun and said it felt like being trapped in a Super Mario video game. She started doing it whenever she had the opportunity. Not all day every day like a drug addict, but once or twice a week for a few weeks until the novelty wore off...

***See, this is how the thread should be. Instead of arguing about legality and morality of drugs, it should be to share crazy stories.

"hopefully the previous people don't see this and decide to ruin it with more bullshit."

Fucking weak-minded druggie losers. But I must say that you are really cool, so at least you have that going for you.

:-)

You don't like to confront the truth?

Maybe one day you will grow up and become somewhat responsible.

If you don't allude to me I'll stop interjecting in your public conversation so you won't continue to shed tears.

Enjoy

:-)

DC9428 - I did my first-time experimenting with groups of trusted friends. When it came to things like psychedelics, there was always someone who wasn't tripping in case someone started having a bad trip. The last two times I did shrooms I was at my mom's house, also around people I trust.

I agree about acid and shrooms. Very different, but I've only tripped on acid once. The high was more electric than Shrooms, which was just very pleasurable and relaxing. Acid was a cool experience, but shrooms was better. My closed eye visuals my first shrooms trip were amazing. It looked like I was looking through a kaleidoscope, and there was a Being. It looked like a Hindu god, I guess, although I could really only make out its shape. It was moving along with the music I was listening to and at one point started holding something out to me, but idk what it was.

Lmao I was looking at previous posts and saw that in defending how safe weed is, I said, "there are very few drugs more dangerous than weed." Lmao. That sounds like something from Reeder Madness. I must have been high. Shrug

There are very few drugs less* dangerous than weed. Tylenol is more dangerous.

SJG posted, "Dominic77, yes some people will use psychedelics. But how much better to be able to find such states by your own consciousness. Meditation, drumming, trance, hyperventilating, all of the known psychedelic states can be found easily, and especially that often reported LSD experience of lying on you back and seeing the walls and ceiling breathing."

True. If I'm going to keep my mind open, I do owe it to myself to try non-drug alternatives, first. See if they are enough. Then decide whether or not I should even pursue drugs.

"Meditation, drumming, trance, hyperventilating" ^ and yoga!

NO WONDER SHE COULD NOT FINISH LAW SCHOOL. SHE WAS DOING TO MANY DRUGS. WHAT A SHAME, AT LEAST SHE CAN SELL ME A CONDO AND MAKE $2,000 COMMISSION. YEAH THAT IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN AN ATTORNEY.

Dis is a shit show!

Stop dis or founder will take away our trolling privledges! I da Kang of da trolls!

I've done bars coke noz alcohol weed lean.

I've only stuck with alcohol and weed

Bouzoukilaw - that would be a pretty cheap condo. I aim for properties where I'll make at least 5k commission but $10k+ is better. And yes, to me, it is much more fun and rewarding than law. Plus I get to put my looks to my advantage. You would be surprised how much money there is in real estate since you obviously know nothing about. Keep it coming though. It's not like I dislike discussing myself.

^^ of course you do. It’s what you do best! So keep talking about yourself and playing the self edification game to compensate for your lack of whatever. Maybe it’s to cover the fact you dated drug dealers in the past and want to show how smart and successful you are. In reality it’s been simply getting old white guys off with high mileage dances is what you’re good at.

Yes I am good at that. Thanks for pointing that out, my little shadow.

Get im MackTruck Bozo Kooky needs to be road kill!

Meat72 is my little shadow, he follows me around wherever I go.

There's no drug like caffeine. I never feel withdrawal if I don't have it, but I love the taste, smell, and feeling of coffee.

Alcohol can be socially fun but less so as I've gotten older.

Never liked weed, but don't care if it's your thing.

Gotten pain pills after surgery. They fell good, but the itching and constipation limits the pleasure.

Gotten prescription benzos. Great to bring me down if my head is fucked up, otherwise just feel doped out all day.

Tried nicotine when younger. Got sick, was not a fan.

Tried Ayahuasca (which includes DMT). Hated it, made me violently ill. Bad trip.

Tried ketamine. Turned my into a raging fiend, had to be forcibly restrained. Never again.

Women are my drug of choice, a kiss from a beautiful woman transforms me from a frog to a prince, it's magical.

I normally don’t read old threads that get bumped. But I did this time and Nina talked about binding to her GABA receptors. I have no idea what GABA receptors are but I have to admit that the thought of binding to Nina’s is kind of a turn on.

I quit drinking 15 years ago. Never tried anything else. I do like my caffeinated beverages a lot if that counts.

I'm remarkably square when it comes to recreational drugs. Booze primarily with highly infrequent pot use.

As I said earlier (in another thread, I think), it's an odd function of TUSCL that pretty much every single dancer picks up a few weirdly-fixated trolls the moment they decide to post her consistently. I generally get along with Nina, and even when I've disagreed with her it has never inspired me to create a whole new profile dedicated to trolling her.

The only thing she does that greatly annoys me is not post more pictures of herself.

"... I don't understand why people pick on NinaBambina ..."

The current Nina is fairly-different than the one that used to post several years ago perhaps b/f you (@heaving) started posting - back then she was a much more "aggressive poster" per se and she created a fair # of "adversaries" for lack of a better-word - not saying whether it was right or wrong, just giving you a bit of back-history.

No actually I garnered haters before I even joined the website - seriously, I only came here because a Stripperweb girl told me there was a thread about me.

95% of what people think is reality is just a persons perception. Nina pushes that to 100% of her life is simply a perception of what her life is. The reality is that she consistently brags and posts bullshit lies on here that people have called her out on, not because anyone hates her, but because it’s a choice to not put up with her bullshit. Like how great her education was and how she was going to get a JD and be a top notch lawyer, a corporate lawyer at that!! At the time there were several intelligent members who called “bullshit” on her, and the chickens have come home to roost. She’s proven herself to be Non credible. This drug thread goes so far to act the fool, meaning who cares if you use drugs, but it’s fun to point out the hypocrisy in people.

I never understood the white knight syndrome so many PLs have, but I guess I don’t have a void to fill as much as they do, but to each their own. The ignore function works both ways, so eat your words.

Hey there my shadow. I proved myself to be non credible because I changed my career choice in my 20s? Wow. What a reason to relentlessly stalk my posts and spew hatred just because I'm a bitch you'll never have.

^^^ definitely a bitch I want to avoid, so you’ll never worry about me wanting to have whatever you got. As the kids always say, it isn’t what it isn’t. In this case it’s a stripper who is ashamed that she hasn’t made much of an impact in her professional career, so she creates a smoke screen to make it appear her choices are so awesome.

I can now without hesitation add her to my tagline along with Icee and SJG! Congrats. Over 90% of real estate agents quit the profession within the first 5 years, but at least Nina can supplement her “career” by selling herself to old white men for companionship. Odds are she’ll get pregnant then and her narrative will change to taking time off to raise the baby. Fact is, most committed mothers can and will juggle a career and family. We shall see, but in my experience it’s usually the loudest voice in the room generally has the most to hide. That’s narcissistic Nina for you.

Well, my little shadow, if the loudest one in the room is the weakest, it's definitely you and your persistent long posts about/to me. You're infatuated and there's clearly something about me that makes you insecure with yourself. Get help.

Who the fuck spends years harassing someone on this site. The tricks need psychiatric help

^^^ these two are the biggest wordsmiths on this site! One who is a career stripper and wannabe professional and the other is a self proclaimed drug dealer who argues with doctors and anyone who is in position of authority and experience. Whoever creates a post saying they almost killed himsslf over a drugged yo stripper whore who he paid for GFE for 5 years should really be getting institutionalized. No wonder he needs a pacemaker!

Why are you so angry?

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The only drug I've really tried is marijuana way back in the day. First time I did it I had a bad trip. Might of smoked too much that time or maybe it was laced with something. I was a teenager at the time and did it for a few months. That was almost 30 years ago.

Never did heroin or oxy. Love to drink and smoke weed but did all the rest. During summer moving van season if we needed to drive long sessions after a heavy day of lifting, we'd snort some crank, which is now called meth. Keeps you awake. I used to love to trip but haven't since I was 41. Wife wanted to do it together and I would never chance doing it with her, because occasionally, after you trip, you don't like something or someone that you did before.

I'm glad this thread got resurrected; more members are sharing their experiences!

For the record, I've yet to try any new drug since starting this thread (unless you count the antidepressant I was prescribed in 2020). Most of my drug experimentation was in my late teens. I have done shrooms a couple more times since posting this and it's always been pleasant and eye-opening, but the first time was the best. Probably my best drug experience. I'd like to get some good shrooms and take a low-to-moderate dose with my boyfriend.

Still will never touch crack, meth, heroin, or pcp.

I think I totally forgot to put promethazine on the original list, and "lean" which I've done only a couple times, yearrrs ago. But the promethazine I'm actually prescribed regularly for my nausea which I usually get because of my anxiety.

Also did seroquel a couple times to help me sleep, both times were very unpleasant.

Also forgot to add Zofran, which doesn't really get you high, it's just an anti emetic (anti nausea) along with compazine, another anti emetic. I have problems with nausea stemming from my emetophonia as a kid.

Wow…

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I think this may be the most prolific thread on here

I’ve personally done weed and lsd. And also microdosed shrooms before. (Because I was offered) I definitely prefer stuff to inject instead of smoke. Unless it’s flavored tobacco

Omg I meant ingest…I think my phone autocorrected me in the worst way it could for this subject 😵

Lol yeah I was confused, like "is she casually alluding to heroin or something?"

It could be worse, remember that incel in Toronto who ran over random people with a van. Nina seems good at just shrugging it off fortunately.

I thought she was alluding to heroin too... desert scrub would need to weigh in on that.he knows her better than anyone

I do so much coffee/caffeine I don't know if I could stay conscious without it. I use to drink occasionally to shake it off when I was dwelling on bad thoughts. But, now that it's convenient to get them, I prefer a 3 or 5 mg THC edible generally. Psychedelics seem like they'd be cool to try, maybe I will sometime under the right circumstances.