Does exotic dancing not pay as well as it did 10 or 15 years ago?

"Guys are probably less inclined to blow big bucks on a consistent basis in strip clubs in my opinion when so much is available for free online. Any opinions?"

The question is, Do you want a real soft warm body to touch or just your hand & a Computer screen? Hmm...?

I agree with you SharkHunter

I would say inflation has to have some effects on dancers and their pay. Higher prices and increased substitutes are going to make it harder for dancer to make money relative to when there are lower, and there substitutes and lower prices, though in this case I would think of a cam show as an inferior good not an equal. Plus I don't think the prices in strip clubs really rise the same as normal goods or services its also hard to get historical prices for the industry as it the normal range for the same lapdance can be much different from club to club or town to town.

I believe 10 years ago I was routinely spending $10 per lap dance, sometimes less. Now I spend anywhere from 10 to 15 or maybe up to 20 per dance but I don't buy very many expensive dances.

Alucard is right that a web cam doesn't provide what I want or probably not that many who post on here. However I was using that as an example for guys in general if they wanted a cheap substitute to get by. I do not believe the posters here represent all those who might visit strip clubs.

If Alucard and juice crew represent all strip club customers, Duo has it rougher than I thought. :)

I was with my ATF today and she said that in the five years she's been dancing she's never seen it so slow. She worked 3 shifts last weekend and only had 1 VIP hour. She's got a friend who has offered to set up a web site and web cam for her and her boyfriend to sell sex sessions. She knows which dancers would perform and feels there's money to be made. Her biggest concern is having friends and family find out and is considering wigs and fake tattoos to hide the not so innocent. She's convinced that the decline in customers and customer spending are attributable to on.-line porn.

Do strippers spend 100% of what they make on drugs and loser boyfriends like they did 16 years ago? you have your answer.

IMO, yes.

1. I know several dancers at my local club who have quit or picked up 2nd jobs because they aren't making as much or enough for them to feel it's worth wile.

2. There have been several posts on here about girls turning to stripping because of the poor economy (and therefore talent levels possibly going up). I actually believe it is the opposite. The shitty economy has reduced what's being spent ITC. The best talent feels they're worth more than what they're getting and more on to something else (desperation forces them to pick a harder job to meet income needs). Clubs have to lower their standards to fill the rotation, average talent level goes down (it's been atrocious lately). Guys spend even less, negative feedback loop continues.

I think mjx01 hit the nail on the head. Do people find extras to be more prevalent than they used to be? I know I am offered more often but I'm not sure if that's just because I drop more money nowadays or if they really are happening more frequently.

Yeah, back in the 80s and 90s (and even mid 2000s) girls everywhere were routinely pulling in $2k+ a night. That isn't happening anymore, but honestly as long as I'm making over $500 nightly I'm happy.

I think if every strip club customer were like Juice and Alucard I'd just get a new job. No offense, guys.

Dancer friends constantly tell me how they made $1000 a night 5 or 10 years ago. I think a lot of it is SS.

I'm sure for the top performers, they get paid at a rate similar to what the top performers did 10 years ago or however far you want to go back. But the average dancer probably has to work harder just to make the same amount, considering there appears, at least in the clubs I visit, less customers than there used to be. I also know that a couple of my favorites at my favorite club have resorted to working a second job in addition to their stripping job. In fact, it could be that stripping is their real second job, or at least that's how they think of it.

I know some dancers that seem to still make $$$ but they all do ITC or OTC. Without the extras, I wonder if they could hit $1000 a night. On the pink site, they're talking about making a $1000 a week.

Cam shows arent really that inexpensive. Some of those sites you can spend just as much as you would spend for an hour at the club. Some cam girls charge upwards of 3-5 dollars per minute. I prefer to spend that on a dancer. You get much more out of the deal.

There are fewer customers in the strip clubs and the existing customers are getting less dances. Strippers are earning less now than they were 5 years ago.

Only the dancers know for sure but I believe that they are making less. Instead of trying to lure customers into the clubs with low dances prices, they are running them off with higher prices. Strippers just do not understand economics 101.

"Do strippers spend 100% of what they make on drugs and loser boyfriends like they did 16 years ago? you have your answer."

Certainly spending habits changed or unchanged matter.

I would think the unstable state of the economy, as others have noted, may be a prime culprit.

Many folks have cut down on the non-essentials, so one would imagine dancers/SCs will also get hit.

I recall in 2002 or 03; a dancer telling me how the $$$ was flowing in the late 90s (up to 2000) when the economy/stock-market was in blastoff mode and many people were feeling rich with million dollar 401Ks.

As long as the future of the economy seems as uncertain as it currently does; dancers/SCs will probably continue to struggle as compared to the good ole days.

I don't know about 10 or 15 years ago, but in the past five years, I'd say yes. I know several dancers who aren't making what they did before the recession. Here in Seattle that would be about prior to the spring of 2008.

Also, I've mentioned before and as others have alluded to above. On-line adult entertainment has grown tremendously in recent years and now appears to have cut into discretionary spending on strip clubs:

1. Porn - much of it for free
2. Web cams
3. Escort Services.

Some former dancers are now doing the latter two here in Seattle.

Also, fewer dancers are employed at Puget Sound Region strip clubs now, than just two years ago--indicating less demand for strip club entertainment here.

I thought 20 dollars was the norm per lapdance. well just goes to show how young in the game I am. Personally, I could never agree that exotic dancing will decline. Especially with the publicity it gets these days. From rock to rap, you always hear about being in the strip club and that's becoming what's "cool". And in comparison to cams....there are none. Sure you're watching a live girl dance around and stripping from a sexy lingerie or outfit and perhaps even masturbating, but that's like the ultimate form of air dance, except you can touch yourself (eww). Personally I could very much see that decline vs. strip clubs. Besides if you want cheap alternative, there's so much free porn out there, its a wonder strip cams are even surviving.

Now if it were a question between straight up escorts vs strip clubs, while murky due to legality issues, I would say strip clubs are not paid as well. But ignoring legality issues, you have to be smoking hot, face and body (both, no exceptions) to be doing better than working at a strip joint. but since it's illegal to hire an escort (in america), I kind of still don't see strip clubs paying less than what I assumed they were paid for 10-15 years ago.

Club_Goer mentioned Seattle. 10 years ago we had rocking clubs. Ricks, Honeys, Sugars. Back then, more fun. More contact. Dances were 3.5 minutes not 2. More white chicks, less tattood chicks. And not so many fat chicks.

We pay for fantasy. The clubs changed. Not us.

shadowcat said: "Instead of trying to lure customers into the clubs with low dances prices, they are running them off with higher prices. Strippers just do not understand economics 101."

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THIS

The stupidity of club owners/dancers is mind boggling in this regard. Clubs I frequent all raised their LD prices 50% (or more)in last coupla years. So, my friends and I spend LESS overall than we used to routinely spend. They aren't making more like they envisioned, but rather, FAR LESS.

But try explaining that simple fact to a stripper or owner and their head starts to hurt... they can't grasp one of the Ten Basic Rules of Economy 101 class and just continue being stupid.

Psst... girls... DROP the cost in these economic times... MAKE MORE. (*lightbulb*)

N"ice"

I am too new to the hobby to have SC experience from 10-15 years ago. My Toronto sweetie, the stripper that I know best, is not complaining about her income stream. The national economy in Canada is in fine shape but could always be better. The local economy in Alberta is slowing slightly but is really rock 'n roll compared to almost any other part of North America. My personal economy allows me to spend whatever amount that I choose to spend on my SC hobby.

There is no argument that the rational economic response to rising prices is lower consumption of the higher priced goods and services. During my three years in the hobby I haven't noted any significant increases in SC pricing in the clubs that I patronize.